The Unpopular Truth About Electric Vehicles | Mark P. Mills

[@jayh1734]

When i was a kid, we bought Pepsi in a glass bottle. When you were finished with it, you took the bottle back and got a dime back. They would wash it and refill it. The same bottle was reused over and over. Then the corporation started making bottles from plastic (oil) at a fraction of the cost and also got rid of the labor to wash the bottles. About that time I start hearing I need to recycle. We already were! Same story with many other things such as go organic. We already were. The corp is gonna do what's good for the corp.

[@bomberaustychunksbruv4119]

Same with milk bottles. We sent them back and they washed them. Now they are like collect the plastic bottles remelt and reman them. Huge power use it large factories and transport costs.

[@638SAM]

It was more about the energy saved during transport.

[@TRONA-CA]

Made a good living as a kid collecting bottles- paid for my little league signups and equipment. Also used to shine shoes - as a kid you learn a lot on how to manage money properly, shame they took away bottle collection and made it a crime for minors to shine shoes for money! 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Ziegfried82]

The plastics industry did some good and a lot of bad. The world needs to reassess using plastics for so many food and beverage products. Even if it costs way more to transport glass it's a true recyclable unlike plastics. Metal cans and glass bottles are the way to go...and paper should be used for most food packaging.

[@christianschellbruck9788]

In Germany you can Buy all kind of drinkable grocerys in glas bottles. After they are empty you bring them back to the store. They will be reused very often. Its called "Mehrwegflaschen" - Could be translated as "More-Way-Bottle" or "Multiple Reuse Bottle" But also for the plastic bottles we got a Recycling process. You bring your plastic bottles back to the Grocery Store and put them in a Machine. The Machine scans every single bottle and decide if its a bottle which can be recycled (if not it comes straight back). If its a valid bottle it will be compressed behind the scene and will later be molten to new bottles. You get 25 Cent for each palstic bottle you bring back to the store. Its a good system.

[@davidvandyk1171]

Part of my first job, at Dominion grocery stores was to bale cardboard for sale to the recycle company. Then our idiots in charge MANDATED that MUST be recycled. The immediate and predictable result was that the cardboard recycling company began to CHARGE rather than PAY for picking up the cardboard. The immediate and predictable outcome of this, was that I was told not to bail the used cardboard anymore... Just throw it in the Rubin bin. SUCH MANDATES DON'T WORK, they just make things worse.

[@deathlarsen7502]

Excellent point and example

[@geoffsimns8424]

You just can't fix stupid...

[@Mrbfgray]

Mandates for BEVs are utterly retarded and counterproductive. Very obvious they will win on merit, let the market work. Pols want credit for a revolution they had nothing good to do with.

[@GlobalDrifter1000]

@@davidvandyk1171 this is disinformation from a Russian bot

[@jtjones4081]

Mark is a propagandist. Cradle to grave studies have been completed each year on all in EV emissions. Is he so arrogant he thinks these obvious things he’s saying only he thought of? EVs are 50% cleaner over the life of the car as compared to an ICE engine even if it’s charged using coal, which makes up only 9% of the US energy mix. I’ll never buy an EV but stop lying, Mark. I can’t stand that!

[@WhiteBear-u3d]

I’m 89. I used to ride my bike 2 miles to school. There was no rubbish along side the road at all. I lived close to the town rubbish dump and as a kid we user to “raid” the rubbish dump for empty bottles. I don’t recall any food was ever thrown on the dump. It was usually empty tins and scraps of wood etc. It wasn’t like landfill. In the 11 years I lived near the dump it never grew any bigger. It always remained the same size. The school I went to never had a council rubbish collection. There was no need for it because in those days the kids didn’t generate rubbish. Most of the kids took their lunch wrappings home with them to be used the next day. We lived in an era where everything was recycled one way or another.

[@usnchief1339]

We have turned into a throw away consumables economy. Many of the things we purchase have no longterm value. Unfortunately, times are too good economically for many people. Many people have lots of disposable income.

[@Tracy77751]

Yeap

[@cjay2]

@@usnchief1339 THEY have turned you into a throw away economy. For THEIR benefit. Not yours.

[@GilmoreSpivey]

Too much of what we buy today ends up in the local trash dump and in some cases it gets shipped elsewhere.

[@martinlebtag9643]

It is in Our hand to be selective in what we do. The best we can do for the planet is to teach our kids how to live responsible

[@Sedge86]

As an EV owner, this is the best take I've heard. Don't force it down people's throats.

[@juanluistennis1]

Same. I've had mine for 8 years. I first got it before it the "cool" thing to do. I have it to be independent of the grid and cost reduction. I understand it has a foot print just like everything we do.

[@lelandallen144]

Notice they don't talk about the destruction they do to our planet with mining of materials for batteries, etc. Hey genius. What's plastics made from. Oil, clueless.

[@LeeLeonard-z8o]

@@juanluistennis1 Same here, am on my second one and I love it. Charge up from my solar panels so mostly free to run but it's not the total answer of course and won't suit everybody.

[@ovidiuciuparu6421]

Totally agree with you. I can’t say the same. I will never own one. Is not that i can’t afford one but i move a lot and is not practical. I wish i had one to go to work/ home but that is not justifiable since i drive 5-10 miles.. sometimes longer. The investment is not making sense. Infrastructure is also poor and if you go outdoors like me … is just not making sense.

[@juanluistennis1]

@@ovidiuciuparu6421 I go outdoors, camp out of my car, I go diving and cave diving out of my car.

[@mikeb4708]

If you want to buy an EV you should be able to but the rest of us shouldn’t have to pay to subsidize your purchase.

[@davebrown8260]

Should purchasers of EVs be exempt from subsidizing the oil industry?

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@davebrown8260 Most people are unaware of just how dependent they are on oil regardless of their choice of passenger vehicle. Oil doesn't just make diesel and petrol. It makes plastics, pharmaceuticals, paints, adhesives, bitumen for roads, cosmetics, synthetic rubbers and foams, fuel for passenger jets and heavy fuel oil for ships and the list goes on and on and on. Should purchasers of EV's be exempt from subsidizing the oil industry? No, not until they stop using products that rely on oil.

[@davebrown8260]

@@davidbrayshaw3529 It's relying on oil and coal for energy that is the problem. No one is suggesting that we stop all the other uses

[@simonkriznik3437]

​@@davebrown8260 Fossil fuels are 80% of the energy mix worldwide. Running a modern society on renewables (which are really rebuildables) is not possible due to low EROI.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@davebrown8260 The trouble with distilling crude oil for all those wonderful things in life that I pointed out is that it creates a lot of waste. That waste is called petroleum and diesel. It's one of the reasons that we opted for it as a fuel source in the first place. What do you do with it? You can't bury it, you can't store it and you certainly can't let it evaporate into the atmosphere, can you? Coal is a different kettle of fish, to a point. Currently, there's no getting around the need for metallurgical coal (metcoal). But we can put a heck of a dent in our use of thermal coal. Remember that burning this stuff along with gas and oil in order to produce electricity is a five times bigger problem for the planet than burning a bit of gas and diesel in passenger vehicles, something EV owners forget, for some reason. That's the one we need to tackle and that's the one we can tackle. The day that we stop using oil is the day that we say hello again to the 17th century. I hope that your axe, shovel a scythe are sharp when that happens.

[@cameronmurie]

I live in South Africa. We barely have the infrastructure here to get domestic electricity to homes, reliably, in Privileged urban areas. In more rural areas ( 70% of the nation) there is energy poverty. I suggest if around 10% of private cars and taxis went electric here; our Power Grid would collapse entirely. We can not increase our Electricity Supply NOT because we do not have coal, sun or hydro, but because we can't connect that supply to the grid. ( never mind regulatory affairs and tender process) Electric cars, here, in South Africa ( the 2nd wealthy African Nation) are a Luxury Toy for very wealthy people, only. MOST people here dream of a single room with running water.

[@michaellindemann6592]

I thank you for your reply and for the opportunity to respectfully offer my opinion. Unfortunately and lamentably, in my opinion, South Africa is a mess. I so wish that Elon Musk would/could return home and spearhead some innovative improvements as this country has such amazing potential. Again, in my opinion, South Africa is/could be in a very unique and strong position to pioneer many zero carbon solutions. I disagree with you that SA does not have solar and also feel it has enormous wind and nuclear potential. It also is in a terrific position to play off east vs west by exploiting Chinese technology. However, in the necessity to be be brief here, simply put, I advocate not for mandated use of ev's for personal transportation, but public. Were this the case, electrical infrastructure would be a central concern of government as its failure, therefore, would shut down the economy and thereby incite widespread social unrest and diminish the fortunes of the wealthy power structure. Investments in renewable energy infrastructure has the obvious benefit when carried under a mandate to slow global warming is first most, an investment in the power system. Furthermore, an electrified mass transit manufacturing infrastructure based on Chinese technology and local labor would/could be a very exportable product throughout the continent and beyond. Thus, in my opinion, in this matter, the glass is not at all half empty.

[@DonBow11]

Don’t worry the Chinese are gonna fix up your country real good.

[@TurreTuntematon]

Get solar panels on your house. No need for the grid.

[@WillBecker]

Not according to the National Grid - it's yet another false, anti-EV talking point. EVs barely add to grid load, they're almost entirely charged outside of peak.

[@mcyclonegt]

South Africa is definitely not the place for EVs. You should have gotten all the VW diesel’s that were tied up in diesel gate here in the US. VW tried, but the EPA would not let them be shipped off. Instead they were all crushed. Talk about bad for the environment.

[@anthonygermano9363]

Telling The Truth should never be a problem. Facts are Facts.

[@tonycatman]

But he is still cherry-picking from among the available facts. He is ignoring the bigger picture of what two alternative futures might look like.

[@robertpatterson5937]

@@tonycatman he’s also wrong about the cost. And he’s repeating a lot of out of date or just plain wrong talking points.

[@tedunguent156]

@@tonycatman You've got it exactly backwards, as usual. He IS looking at the bigger picture.

[@siamcharm7904]

evs only make sense in a technologically advanced society like china. usa is stuck.

[@showmemorefunthings9208]

​@@tonycatmanthat's not true. He is stating the facts. Most of the positive false data about EVs is coming from researchers getting grant money from the federal government and they want that money supply to keep coming. So, these researchers skew their data to get positive results. The researchers that get negative results stop getting funding. That's the facts and that's why we have so much false positive information out there that doesn't make any sense.

[@johnrambo8672]

Stating facts about EVs (or anything else) doesn't mean one is "anti-EV". SO much truth in that 10 minute clip. Well done.

[@mishagreen1]

He’s not stating facts but FUD. If he wanted to state facts, he’d use numbers and tables.

[@jbm0866]

​@@mishagreen1If what he's saying aren't facts and simply "fud", you should be able to easily refute his points using numbers, right? If anything he's making the same point many people will be making in the all too near future, and that point will be "all forms of personal transport are environmentally and socially irresponsible." Of course governments around the world will be all too happy to provide an alternative...and that is government controlled (key word) mass transit.

[@nicholaskeenan898]

If he wanted facts he should have mentioned how much 10% of oil was in barrels but that wouldn't have made his point he has an agenda

[@nicholaskeenan898]

10.7 million barrels a day !

[@johnrambo8672]

@@mishagreen1 charts and tables can be manipulated to state anything. LoL

[@Doomzdayxx]

"there IS a tailpipe for your EV...it's just located elsewhere.. " That's profound.

[@michaelfagan9620]

The tailpipe for my EV is on my roof--as in solar panels. No emissions, period.

[@efudd800]

@@michaelfagan9620 No. I guess you don't get how much fuel was burned to create that battery sitting in your garage. 500,000 pounds of rock needs to be mined for 1 battery. So your tailpipe is in places such as Africa and I would guess some of those mines are nothing short of an environmental disaster. Lets take this a step further and assess the amount of government subsidies per electrical car and then figure out how much fuel was used to create federal tax revenue that is siphoned off to EV subsidies. So now your tailpipe is in every state.

[@melvinnnamah9040]

@@efudd800the same fuel used to create an EV is reused over and over again in the battery. Once the batteries life comes to an end it can be recycled and used for home battery storage. For an ICE car it uses fuel to be produced and uses more fuel every single week. Environmental degradation is caused every single week

[@melvinnnamah9040]

What’s profound about that, do you ant clean air where you live or not

[@mikemulcahy52]

@@melvinnnamah9040 Sorry, how do they generate the electricity to charge these useless vehicles?

[@really2345]

Government mandates reminds me of the continuation of ethanol and the absurd notion that ethanol production is somehow good. Without taxpayer subsidies, ethanol production would grind to a halt tomorrow. The idea of turning a food crop into energy is so short sighted.

[@snowrocket]

I work in the outdoor power industry. That means mowers, leaf blowers, chain saws, and snow blowers here in Cleveland, Ohio, USA. Ethanol/alcohol in the gas has RUINED more fuel systems than you can imagine. Your car is designed to use it just fine but it's terrible on seasonal use small engines. The best thing we as a nation could do for food prices and engine fuel systems is to stop putting plant-based alcohol in fuels. That farmland can be used for animal and people food, and your lawnmower and snow blower will start and run better without the ethanol in the gas.

[@dallassegno]

The solutions are always worse.

[@ragtowne]

@@snowrocket I live in Northwestern Montana and we are told by every dealer and repair shop to use only non-ethanol gas in anything other than a car or truck that has been designed to withstand the use of alcohol in the fuel - of course here that means we have to buy the most expensive 91 octane fuel because that’s the only one that is “ethanol free”

[@snowrocket]

@@ragtowne Most mower shops around here say essentially the same thing. Or, buy that "fuel in a can" that is ethanol free. Expensive, but you won't be paying someone to clean or replace your carburetor either.

[@josephlewis7443]

The corn grown for ethanol production cannot be used for human or animal food in any reasonable or cost effective way.

[@vencibushy]

Whenever bureaucracy enters free market, companies fail. Just look at the EU automotive sector.

[@SigFigNewton]

Whenever newer superior tech enters a market, companies fail. Just look at the EU automotive sector. Pretending that dozens of new automakers entering the market when overall auto sales are down wouldn’t have resulted in failing companies if only governments had behaved differently is a funny take…

[@davebrown8260]

It certainly didn't hurt Elon Musk's EVs. You never heard of the Tesla? I got one. Love it

[@bikebudha01]

You have the backwards. Whenever government DOESN'T enter the free market, monopolies THRIVE and working class people become indentured servants...

[@rogerphelps9939]

Wrong. Without regulation you get a race to the bottom. Seems you don't want your prescription medicines to be tested for safey and efficacy. Regarding EU car making they had plenty of warning that EVs are he future and should have helped wih planning charging infrastructure.

[@Sandoz9710-f2x]

@@davebrown8260Why? explanation please

[@silversurfer100]

First and foremost, it's not government's job to force this population to comply with an ideology. Our government's job is to follow the will, desires, and needs of the public. Thete is no difference between a mandate and dictating requirements.

[@williamolsen8517]

As an EV and ICE owner I recognize the benefits of both. I love our little Bolt for around town errands. After 4 years and 45k miles, we have only put a set of tires on it. But I’m a contractor that needs a full sized ice van as well. I change the oil in my driveway because the dealership is an hour away and charges 3x what I can do in 30 minutes. Each has its place and fact is both pollute in different ways. Be well everyone

[@jazziez6467]

Yeah my neighbor changes his oil then burns it and smokes up the whole neighborhood, there are tons of places to get a cheap oil change.

[@williamolsen8517]

@ too funny, I take my waste oil to my town recycling station responsibly.

[@AngryB4ker]

EV and ICE owner is the story explaining itself. You can't /just/ own an EV. an EV is a Sunday driver. It's luxury. They are selling luxury vehicles as a necessity. It's insane. It's not following consumer demand; it's following government coercion.

[@williamolsen8517]

@ EV could be my only car if I worked in an office or at home and I paid 32k which isn’t insane money.

[@msk3905]

@@jazziez6467 well you have a moron for a neighbor, all auto parts stores (in my area) recycle the oil so zero need to burn it.

[@ivanlukic2360]

Greetings from Serbia. The idea is not to save environment, the idea is to reduce number of personal vehicles, by reducing the number of people that have money to buy car. The idea is to save enough raw materials for rich people to continue using cars. They can's say that they want to prevent ordinary people from buying cars so they say "we must reduce emissions". The emissions will indeed be reduced when only few rich people are allowed to have car.

[@doublebackagain4311]

At least one person gets it. EV’s are about Control.

[@jamiejames6150]

Thx for your insights from Serbia my friend. I agree. And merry Christmas. I have my home in Alaska, and have lived in the Philippines. 🇵🇭. Now staying in Peru. 🇵🇪. The experience gives me a more clear sense of motivation behind global decisions. I'm writing a book about the scientific evidence of the Global Flood. It is called Flood of Truth. Publish perhaps May 2025

[@ivanlukic2360]

@@jamiejames6150 I think that the same thing is with renewables. If you have holistic approach you will see that renewables will be by far the most expensive energy. What does it mean to have such expensive energy? It means that the energy will be less accessible and affordable for most people. And that's exactly what elites want. Care for environment is justification and coverup for another plan.

[@jeffferg8498]

My Serbian friends gets it. Eco watermelon's are about control. Green on the outside, but Red on the inside.

[@fatboy19831]

@@ivanlukic2360 ordinary people cannot afford any new car. Gas or electric. 15k electric cars. Quality electric cars are coming from China. If you own a home I can’t see how they will only be for the rich.

[@SketchyBeeCreations]

…”Exhaust pipe elsewhere”… so good

[@Mrbfgray]

But of course one may run them off home rooftop solar power.

[@lawrencehalpin6611]

@@Mrbfgray As long as you don't want to go anywhere. Also he is talking about mining and processing the minerals.

[@Mrbfgray]

@@lawrencehalpin6611 Mining and processing the minerals happens once, all the metals will be endlessly recycled, batts are very high grade "ore". Yes there is some 'reprocessing' obviously, but much less than 1st time from the ground. True it requires significantly more energy to make a BEV from raw materials the first time, that is made up for in first 30k miles give or take, via 3X better efficiency.

[@Mrbfgray]

@@lawrencehalpin6611 Folks road trip Teslas across the nation all the time, in fact now that they drive themselves--many can't imagine doing it any other way. True it may add an hr to a 10hr trip if U are one to want to drive near nonstop that long.

[@lawrencehalpin6611]

@@Mrbfgray Like the video said. Like a sports car. Great for some but not for all and most of us can't afford them. I an sure it is great though. Not good that the poor have to subsidize the well off for their cars.

[@b.mensah9624]

It’s ironic that politicians don’t even think about these things and force them down our throats 😒😟

[@philc1773]

Control. You cannot turn off an internal combustion engine over the air....

[@dgime7087]

politicians aren't that clever. They do what brings in votes.

[@michaelthomas9243]

Really? Which politicians " don't even think about these things." Name two.

[@philc1773]

@@michaelthomas9243 Ed Miliband & Sarah Jones......both utter incompetents!

[@philc1773]

@@michaelthomas9243 Ed and Sarah.....the incompetents.....

[@castlesteve1]

I have no problem with electric cars. I do however have a problem with being forced to drive them. Let the market make the decision rather than more government regulations.

[@bonusb2924]

I used to feel that way…but the more I learn about EV’s the more problems I have with them.

[@MartinLim-q3z]

Wait, when u need to change the battery or any parts.

[@ljacobs357]

No state is requiring ev's.

[@bonusb2924]

@ - 12 states have already announced they'll enforce the Advanced Clean Cars II rule and prohibit the sale of new gasoline-powered.

[@Runco990]

@@MartinLim-q3z If you LEASE cars, you'll never have to worry about it. Otherwise, do some homework. EV's are costly as they age.

[@rleslie66]

California, where this mandate is most prominent, has the least capable electric grid of supporting all of these electric cars. Then there is the issue of mining we have big lithium deposits in the United States because they will never get mined because of environmental restrictions.

[@hendrikdejong4580]

Perhaps, Donald Trump will do something about that when he take office.

[@SigFigNewton]

Doesn’t matter whether the deposits in the US get mined, lithium is suuuuper common

[@mpwaterhouse]

.. and in California they are totally ignoring the abundant supply of local fossil fuel sources and instead our Governor seems happy to squander millions of tons of other state's/country's fossil fuels delivering fuel and other products 1000s of miles to California! Instead of California just using local fossil fuel resources in-situ and if you REALLY want to make a positive eco impact take up the mantle of being a leader in responsible fossil fuel usage by researching better emissions control, fuel efficiencies, fuel safety etc.

[@mpwaterhouse]

the mandate seems more driven by leaders wanting to virtue signal without the ability to consider the overall eco impact elsewhere!

[@motor2of7]

@@mpwaterhouseabsolutely correct. What’s happening in California is ego not intelligence

[@KarrennCoffey]

And another thing. These EV mandates bear a resemblance to gov't controlling the means of production. Don't you think???

[@WalkerOne]

I agree.

[@wheel-man5319]

Looks like a goose. Haven't seen it goosestepping yet....

[@Twofiddymill]

Yep…Socialist Capitalism at work. True capitalism does not work like this.

[@SigFigNewton]

@@Twofiddymillbecause true capitalism is causing enormous problems

[@jjackson3240]

It would be perfectly fine to eliminate "mandates and rebates" for EVs if the government would also quit subsidizing big oil, coal and natural gas. In other words, level the playing field and then let the games begin.

[@stevenvanheel3932]

Everybody in the world should be required to watch this video.

[@benjaminoke7422]

This is why I am not worried about those who like to create the future in the corner of their room and then use Their influence to force it on others..... NATURE WILL ALWAYS PUSH BACK .

[@mikelmart]

And heed to it as gospel truth.

[@steveb796]

Repeal the ethanol mandate

[@Fred-mp1vf]

Exactly. Anything that is "negative energy" is just plain stupid!

[@jasonthompson7230]

You do it. You deal with the corn farmers.

[@robertheinkel6225]

@@jasonthompson7230. The corn will then be shipped overseas instead.

[@Cotictimmy]

I would up stakes and leave a state that's going full-on authoritarian.

[@marciandjohn6320]

100%

[@Mrbfgray]

Certainly could say that about my Commifornia, and many are moving, but like the nation as a whole, the pendulum has began swinging Right. Cali differential between Dem and R was cut in half between this election and prior. Newsom doubling down on his insanity but I don't think he has much of a chance to be president which is his goal, good chance he won't make governor again.

[@GlobalDrifter1000]

@@Cotictimmy sounds like you might be leaving America soon

[@jackmaher4466]

@@GlobalDrifter1000 So the Trump administration working to make sure your first amendment rights are upheld are somehow authoritarian. Sounds like you have been drinking the MSNBC cool aid.

[@edwardedwards5402]

Great point 👍

[@josephmclennan1229]

My daily driver is a 1961 Comet . My truck is a 1958 Chevrolet Fleetside .

[@bikebudha01]

The people of North Carolina thank you...

[@jiggsborah7041]

Great. I drive a 28 year old Opel.

[@godfreyberry1599]

Good man, your selfless contribution to REALLY saving the planet is appreciated.

[@BWolf00]

My tractors are 1976 MF and 1994 Cub Cadet diesels, my vehicles are a 2000 Chevy truck and a 2001 Subaru.

[@BWolf00]

@@godfreyberry1599 LOL...I guess I can make the planet a better place if I buy a new and newer EV every 2-3 years. Let's see 21yrs left at a avg of 500,000lbs of earth and the energy to produce each battery...am I REALLY saving the planet?

[@castrejonhugo]

Professors like Mark P. Mills give me a glimmer of hope for our higher education system. Thank you professor for refraining from just buying into popular culture in lieu of the facts. The world needs truth, the good and the bad, instead of extreme modern ideologies that further division, eliminate countering points of view, and perpetuate effeminate men.

[@chrisjenkins9978]

Also, 65% of electricity comes from burning fossil fuels. All you’re doing is dumping your pollution over the fence into your neighbors yard.

[@RealElectech]

You mean natural gas? Which is 1/4 as bad as burning gas or diesel... so just saying "fossil fuels" is disingenuous, bordering on an outright lie.

[@chrisjenkins9978]

@ - No, I mean all fossil fuels including coal. Leaving out coal is a lie of omission. Besides, natural gas is 30% less energy dense than coal so you have burn 30% more to make up the difference. There is no free-lunch.

[@RealElectech]

@chrisjenkins9978 coal is around 8-9% of the US electric grid, in many states less. Renewable energy makes up more of our production than coal.

[@chrisjenkins9978]

@@RealElectech- Renewable energy (solar and wind) is about 1% of our energy output. Coal, as of 2023 was 16% of our generated electricity and it isn’t going anywhere anytime soon as the cost is so cheap compared to all the others. Until you can get the cost down to economic levels that people can afford, Coal will be around for decades. When people can’t afford the luxuries of high energy and food prices, that’s when turn to pitchforks and violence.

[@RealElectech]

@chrisjenkins9978 16% from coal and declining... "According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), as of 2023, around 21.4% of U.S. electricity generation comes from renewable energy sources. "

[@theBSisreal]

Stop stealing our money and let the market decide.

[@justsomeguy934]

Does that include the $20 BILLION in annual subsidies that the oil industry gets from American taxpayers?

[@theBSisreal]

@justsomeguy934 Yes I don't agree with corporate subsidies.

[@justsomeguy934]

@@theBSisreal neither does Elon Musk, by the way. Make the oil companies buy their own aircraft carriers and submarines.

[@scottscootman7225]

The poor virtue signaling by these snowflakes.

[@jza80king]

Elon Musk sold carbon credits and that's the only way Tesla made any money 2021 forward. Before that, Tesla didn't make any profit.

[@Fluterra]

I own a Mercedes EQS and a couple of gas cars. I am not dumb enough to believe that I am ‘saving the planet’ with the EV. Fact is that the battery manufacturing puts out ~100,000km worth of CO2 into the atmosphere. So unless you drive the EV the more than 100,000 km, you are putting out net more CO2 than a gas car.

[@WillBecker]

More recent estimates put the breakeven at under 30k km, even on the average grid today. It will be less over the lifetime of your car as the carbon intensity of the grid continues to fall

[@ooberholzer]

The problem here is not the cars, it's the people like you that need 3 of them for absolutly no good reason... Incredibly stupid...

[@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444]

Look up what CO2 has done to the atmosphere over the last several decades. The answer surprises most people. I can't even type it here or else my comment will get ghosted.

[@will006]

Thank you for being a well informed and honest EV driver. Clearly you are fortunate enough to experience both ICE and EV and be wise enough to honestly know their pros and cons.

[@Fluterra]

@@WillBecker I’m not talking about “would be less if…” I’m talking about today, and sorry, it’s not 30k. Most of these estimates come from biased sources, promoting EVs. The only article I could find that is unbiased comes from World Economic Forum. 100,000km to break-even. Most people would have replaced the EV with another one by then, which restarts the clock and adds more CO2 into the atmosphere!

[@bobbyjones2293]

Bc the car doesn’t use oil doesnt mean oil isn’t used, why do the electric companies use diesel trucks? Shouldn’t it be free for them to charge up?

[@rangerrobin64]

That is correct, seats, tired, dashboards, plastics, almost everything inside that car required oil to produce it. Oil is in just about everything we own in one form or another.

[@maryfries2147]

Never a good reason for government to decide anything the market should always do it

[@davebrown8260]

Didn't the government decide that the gasoline engine was better than the horse and buggy?

[@bikebudha01]

Whenever government DOESN'T enter the free market, monopolies THRIVE and working class people become indentured servants...

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

​@@davebrown8260not for everyone.

[@alangraham8926]

@@davebrown8260 NO "they" did not the market did and for the record there were NO gasoline cars. The FIRST automobiles were electric and the horse & buggy was "displaced" by them NOT government edict. The governments only qualifications is to be adept at lying and accepting "lobbying funds" known in business as a bribe and a criminal offence.

[@martiedoherty5765]

@@davebrown8260 No , people did. And they bought them because they wanted to....not forced to.

[@josephgaviota]

Luckily there's no shortage of copper. Here in Los Angeles, the "copper harvesters" take miles of copper wiring out of the public infrastructure, and have it converted to raw materials, ready for the next "green" car!

[@paulkane6645]

haha 'Copper Harvesters' !🙂

[@cjay2]

You still have the 2A right to get rid of the 'copper harvesters' if you don't like them.

[@josephgaviota]

@@cjay2 While it may seem we'd _like_ to take quick justice, I've got a feeling the courts wouldn't call, as despicable as it is, copper harvesting a "capital offense."

[@iankuah8606]

@@josephgaviota Just call it target practise. How much is a box of .338 Lapua from your local grocery store?

[@johnermactavish1162]

The public infrastructure in question? The EV stations LOL

[@Flakemonkey]

Speaker is incredibly smart and emotionally mature. Staying calm while spitting out facts and exposing hypocrisy of whole industry is no simple feat.

[@h-k7804]

Rubbish

[@410Gregj]

EV’s: a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.

[@Dutch_Van_Gogh]

But the problem does exist. There is world dependency on the fossil fuel energy. What this person says is correct. Yes, swapping combustion engine cars for EVs won't completely eliminate that dependency and yes, to make an EV, many fossil fuel dependent technologies have to be applied but the point is that we have to start from somewhere. We need to incentivize the development of other technologies that, hopefully, one day will be so sophisticated that they could replace the tech driven by the fossil fuel consumption. If we keep the status quo, we won't have a chance to move anywhere. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket. Facilitating the development of EVs, hydrogen cars etc - is that ticket

[@miked2543]

"dependency on the fossil fuel energy" is not a problem.

[@coolidgedollar2154]

Any kind of economic dependency is a problem -- even from a libertarian or conservative perspective, as economic dependency is a violation of free-market principles. How is it not?

[@FatHeadDave]

​@@miked2543huh?

[@anonymous_bot_bot]

@@Dutch_Van_Gogh So why are the super rich allowed private jets and massive super yachts? They spew out more of a carbon footprint than both your and my families generate in a lifetime. They are given a platform to tell us how to live and be green? Its all about greed and control and they shove it in our face. Who decides this? The people with the money and power. BTW we're still not running out of oil.

[@pinaricyt]

I agree, in general, except for his comments about the residual value of EVs. Already, depreciation is going through the roof, and it will not get better as more and more people realize that buying an older EV with a poor-performing battery that may need to be replaced is a prohibitively costly proposition.

[@martinliehs2513]

I saw this first when shopping for a used car for my son. A 10 year old Toyota Corolla with less than 100,000 km where I live averages around $14,000 as a used vehicle. A Nissan Leaf EV of the same vintage is worth about $5,000.

[@Mrbfgray]

Always been the case that the biggest cost by far, for a new car, is depreciation. Particularly for "premium" variants. See what a 5 yr old rubbish Escalade goes for.

[@davesmith5656]

I regularly toss AAA and AA rechargeable batteries that no longer take a charge - after about 20 recharge cycles. I'd guess that is about 10% of batteries I bought. That is a different ballpark, but they are still rechargeable batteries. I do have to admit that LED light bulbs seem to last forever, they do now have the "warm" look of filament bulbs, and the prices have come way, way down for the initial $40 bucks a bulb. President Trump repealed the "mandate" to buy them.

[@cesilpreston]

Its already happened. Massive depreciation of EVs has resulted in losses incurred by fleets and also companies who lease out EVs. The result is that the new lease rates for EVs are going up, hence they will have fewer customers. EVs are on a downward trend for sure.

[@Mrbfgray]

@@cesilpreston Look at the actual numbers, BEVs continue to increase sales globally. Sorry reality clashes with your emotional needs but BEVs are taking over, won't happen overnight but it's happening and for good reasons. Not just stupid mandates.

[@andrewwilliams9419]

98% of humans don't even know where the Sun goes at night.

[@Tpb247]

Where does it go 😮

[@choyayahyah]

Hahaha probably very true

[@joeskupski208]

yeah they're called democrats

[@joegibbs2508]

Here, where I live in California, the sun goes down into the ocean to wash off all the smog.🤪

[@cultureclique2173]

You mean 98% of Americans! You guys dont even know who your president and VP is!

[@lawrencemartin24]

I live in the boondocks. 100 miles from the nearest big stores. Guns, gasoline, and diesel.

[@MikesCarInfo]

An EV would be a good option to commute to and from the big stores. Charge at home, save a bunch of money for more guns, and save the gas a diesel for when you need it.

[@bikebudha01]

@@MikesCarInfo He won't listen... He's too tired. Clinging to your guns takes a lot of energy...

[@remaguire]

@@bikebudha01 Yes, there are those who won't listen and you're one of them.

[@globalwarming382]

And incest like it says in the bible for you bible trumpers

[@timelsen2236]

"Mark Mills is a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and a Strategic Partner at Cottonwood Venture Partners, an investment firm focused on technological advancements in oil and gas production." Not if powered by solar on your roof. No transmission losses either. Wake up!

[@Rich32262]

What I never hear anyone talk about is how much the value of those used EVS are going to be once the batteries are shot. I'd love to see a graph that shows what resale value is approaching battery failure. I'm going to picture a sheer cliff.

[@vincenzodigrande2070]

It already drops off a cliff way before that because there is no proper counter implemented in the vehicles that provides any reliable data on left over battery life. People want to be able to trust what they purchase, especially when they need to dish out a lot of money. That said, you don't even know how much you can trust the safety due to possible accident damage.

[@HighFell]

The issue of remote emissions it’s constantly ignored, refreshing to hear a factual assessment of the situation. Something not covered is ‘fugitive emissions’ every time you dig a hole, Co2 is emitted into the atmosphere. Dig a big hole, it’s a lot more. Now scale up shifting 1/2million tonnes of material per EV battery. As this gentleman politely points out, the information is there and you don’t need to be a scientist to do the maths. All these extra resources don’t stop with the battery. Additional infrastructure to upgrade power grids to recharge BEVs mean more emissions and we haven’t even tackled the thorny issue of how the electricity is made.

[@CaptainPanick]

Yip, and the battery doesn't live the full possible life time of the vehicle, meaning it will be useless long before the vehicle itself becomes unusable. So now you either have to write off the vehicle or replace the battery.

[@HighFell]

@ the batteries are proving some good life but a car is not just it’s power train (ICE/battery/hybrid system) The vast majority of vehicles fail due to other systems, brakes, suspension, steering and the very complex safety systems required by law now. The idea an EV is immune from these is one of the biggest lies told about ‘life expectancy’

[@jeffg4570]

@@CaptainPanick Actually, Tesla is working on a 1,000,000 mile battery. It seems like that should outlast most vehicles. The other thing to consider is eventually batteries will be made primarily from recycled batteries. The metals in batteries don’t get used up, they can be purified to be as good as new. In 20 years we won’t need to be digging up minerals to build new batteries.

[@marthah7431]

Exactly …. I used to think “they” thought of all these things. Learned awhile ago they don’t.

[@XianHu]

@@jeffg4570 I hope that's true, but pardon me if I'm skeptical about that.

[@michaelscales5996]

I have always wondered how motorists who don't have their own off road parking place,can recharge the batteries if they have an EV. The UK,is a tiny island with a population of around 70 million,parking is often a nightmare. Many can't park close to their homes,,and regularly leave the car in another road,which is often the closest vacant space. Some live in high rise buildings, so how do they charge the vehicle ? One other problem is the extra weight of an EV. Will a multi storey car park, designed decades ago for petrol and diesel cars, be strong enough to hold the same number of EVs ? Just two concerns I have.

[@snowrocket]

"The extra weight of an EV." Do at least a LITTLE research, will ya!? A Tesla Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor is 4,100 pounds, the same as many luxury cars the same size or one size larger. A Land Rover or a BMW 7-series weighs more. Has a car park collapsed because of those cars yet?

[@michaelscales5996]

@snowrocket My research was based on the work of Prof.K.Heaslip of University of Tennessee, who said they are 30% heavier. The batteries are very heavy and many other articles are on the Internet that point this out.

[@snowrocket]

@@michaelscales5996 Depending upon the Kilowatt-hour rating, the batteries are heavy. Around 800-1,600 pounds heavy. So what. A 1976 Cadillac Sedan DeVille weighed 5100 pounds. Most full-size American cars were similar in weight. A modern Tesla Model S AWD weighs the same. Nobody was moaning about "the heavy cars tearing up the roads" back in the 1970s. I think a lot of people think "the sky is falling" and think everything is killing us. Look at the curb weight of a big gas-powered Mercedes, a big BMW, and a host of large SUVs and full-size American pickup trucks. Then tell me again how "it's the EVs destroying the roads". BS.

[@michaelscales5996]

@@snowrocket What will we do with all the batteries when they no longer work ? No use crossing our fingers and hoping someone finds a way of using them.Same with wind turbines where the huge blades only have a certain lifespan and then what ? You can't recycle them either.

[@snowrocket]

@@michaelscales5996 The batteries will get recycled and either turned into new batteries or some other product. Wind turbine blades? Yes, your point is good, and I have no idea. Maybe park the old blades in the yards of the people that thought wind turbines were such a good idea. Then they can figure out what to do with them. A little personal and economic responsibility would be good for some of the liberals out there who promote this stuff.

[@alvoelkle]

The other unmentioned reaility is once the batteries have to be replaced, the replacement cost of the batteries renders the car essentially worthless.

[@Nathan-ty6fd]

???? You do realize that the drop in battery prices are on track to be less than replacing an engine by 2030.

[@cjay2]

And then let's rebuild the 'battery'.

[@rossnagornyi7827]

You do know that batteries are federally required to have 8yr warranty and they don’t immediately fail after that? Aged batteries usually have 60-80% of original capacity which is enough for most people except for cross country travellers. Also, There already are a bunch of EV shops that refurbish and repair batteries.

[@CrusaderSports250]

​​@@rossnagornyi7827a battery that was good for 200 miles at 60% is down to 120 miles, given that you don't let it drop below 20% or charge above 80% for long term battery life, you actually started with a vehicle that was "good for" 160 miles, drop 40% off that for the battery degradation and we are down to 96 miles, or 48 miles to a destination so you can return without charging and charge at home with your solar (making it more viable), out of interest my car had a 600 mile range when new, and now at severn years old still has pretty much the same range, not that you would let it get that low, maybe fill at no more than 500 miles, , on average I fill once a week when I want to, even though not necessary , not every night because I have to. I find all machinery rather interesting including EVs, but totally disagree with the way we are being forced into using them.

[@gsmollin2]

A man I know had the battery fail in his Tesla one day. Dead. Towed it to Tesla and they said New battery costs $17,000.

[@rgraham-ncal]

Not on a "side" myself, I drive a V8 Lexus. But I'm wondering, how many thousand of pounds of ore are dug up and transported to build a gas car? Every stat mentioned should include a comparator. The immediate reaction when he mentions how much ore is involved in building an EV is very emotional, but it should be included with a complete counterpoint.

[@scottastell9415]

Insurance nightmare for write-offs after an accident as who will certify a damaged 1 tonne battery isn't going the catch fire in the future if it's internals may have been damaged in a car accident. Too many written off due to minor accidents!

[@jeffg4570]

In which case that battery will be 95% recycled.

[@CrusaderSports250]

​@@jeffg4570but you will. still have the pollution to make it's replacement, which you would not have had with an ice vehicle, even recycling things like the battery is not without it's problems compared to dropping an engine block into a furnace, they ALL pollute but in different ways. I am of the opinion that the future will be gas of some kind, (LPG, hydrogen, ect), but you won't get that for another fifteen years or so, enough time for all the gasoline (petrol) cars that could be easily converted to have been scrapped, and so we will have a whole new range of vehicles to buy, and so keep the money turning over, all the time being told "it's to save the planet".

[@tomc8157]

@@jeffg4570 I surely hope so. I'd imagine it would be more cost affective just to chuck it and make a new one.

[@jeffg4570]

@@tomc8157 if I had to come up with 20 pounds of lithium, I think I’d rather start with a used Tesla battery than five tons of dirt.

[@jonathanshaw8868]

It's literally easier to dig up raw materials for a new battery than it is to recycle it. The few recycling facilities that handle these batteries are heavily subsidized due to the cost and complexity of recycling these batteries. Electric cars are a great idea, but the execution is a disaster.

[@Travatain]

The last bit was very relevant - "taxpayers are paying for this mistake".

[@justsomeguy934]

Taxpayers pay about $20 BILLION in annual subsidies to the oil industry, which Mr. Mills represents. He'll never tell you that because he's paid to spread propaganda, not the truth. Research your media, please.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

The mistake was not encouraging EV R&D years ago. The Chinese did, Tesla did. Detroit is lagging WAY behind.

[@justsomeguy934]

@@jamesvandamme7786 you are absolutely correct. For almost ALL legacy car manufacturers, they are at the Kodak moment in their history.

[@gwarlow]

@Travatain Who pays for the U.S. military to invade foreign countries in order to preserve democracy (steal their resources - often oil)? Is it the oil and gas companies? I don’t think so. 😊

[@Phil-oj5nr]

We had a Labour government in NZ for six years up to 2023. They initiated a “clean car” policy which meant if you bought an EV or even low polluting ICE vehicle, you got rebates of up to about $NZ6,500.00. However, if you bought an ICE vehicle which was a heavy a the environment, then you got up to a similar amount added to the base price of your purchase. This was meant to balance out money for rebates, to make it neutral in the Government’s book-keeping. The incoming National Government reversed that, as it was obviously unfair on people who needed a big vehicle, ie: farmers and tradespeople.

[@mrprutten]

When the "government" hands out money, guess where that comes from. Yeah. They don't have money. They only have the fruits of their extortion.

[@sdavidleigh6642]

Why is that unfair. They are going to pass the costs on. I think taxation and rebates are a good system.

[@johnsutcliffe3209]

​@@sdavidleigh6642Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman would disagree with you. Marx may well agree

[@AnthonySpalinger]

Yup!

[@sdavidleigh6642]

@@johnsutcliffe3209 Everyone thinks having a managed economy is bad idea. Not me. With homeless people living under bridges and wanton despair at no decent jobs or future is a horrible waste of human potential. Why we think free access to the lowest cost regardless of human rights and conditions and environmental damage is OK doesn't make much sense to me.

[@segundolizardo6667]

This looks like Steve Balmer laughing about iPhone not having a keyboard.

[@stephenanastasi748]

Now let’s get serious. At 1:40, Mills states that it takes an overnight charge to fill your EV. Garbage. This is only true if 1. You need to completely charge from zero (do you completely empty your fuel tank every day?) and 2. If you are charging out of the wall socket. To be fair, I charge off the wall socket, but will shortly be upgrading my system to a proper charger for cars. This will increase the value of my house. Not only this, I am thinking about using a converter to get my car to run my house. The batteries are so huge, I might be able to almost stop relying on grid power.

[@bwalker4194]

Almost spit out my morning tea at 9:06! “Fire sales” was the perfect comedic segue into that which can’t be normally spoken of within EVangelist circles. Perfectly delivered!

[@martinconnelly1473]

I worked in an engineering company where we built custom units that cost millions and weighed 20-30 tonnes. The funny thing is that there was a correlation between cost and weight. This reflected that the cost for the steel in something is related to the processes of digging up the iron ore, refining it and producing steel and then machining that steel to the final form require. The same is true for all the other things that went into each unit. Most of that cost was based around the hydrocarbon fuel that was used in the various processes (including transportation). So when I see an EV that weighs more than an ICE vehicle and costs more I believe that these factors reflect the cost in hydrocarbons that have gone into making each one. Put more EVs on the roads and the demand for electricity goes up. The standard business model is high demand can lead to higher costs, the supply, demand and cost relationship is well understood. So a vehicle that costs more to make and then buy, costs as much as or more to run than an ICE version, is not as convenient in many cases, may have no value after 10 years, may also require electricity to charge it with a cost that is steadily increasing is a governments idea of a good thing for consumers? Let's not go into the environmental cost of fires or disposal at this point.

[@randywl8925]

Very well explained. Let's not even get into diy car repairs. There are ways a simple hammer can get an ice vehicle home when it won't run or won't start.

[@1voluntaryist]

When some people fail to choose products wisely, some always do choose wisely. The wise are rewarded and others change by learning from observation. Govt. fails and demands more money. When it succeeds, it demands more money. Govt. ALWAYS increases taxation (theft). Freedom works for us, govt. works for itself.

[@sb5580]

I suggest you research the economics of Tesla's semi-trucks. They solve the biggest pain to truck drivers(vibrations) and lower the energy costs bigly.

[@joeaverager]

I don't know about that. My EV weighs 3800 lbs. The ICE version weighs 3500 lbs. Why are we worrying about EV weights when the guy in front of me rolled across the scale at the scrap yard in a 5500 lb pickup truck? That was his empty weight. And probably his daily driver. EV weight gets alot of attention but alot of what people choose to drive weighs alot.

[@randywl8925]

@joeaverager How much is a 4 year old EV worth? Will a car dealership take in a 4 year old EV in trade?

[@paul407-r9k]

I would like to see an honest comparison of the cumulative US subsidies for electric vs gas vehicles as there is lots of support for the petroleum industry.

[@bengepp9314]

I'm glad someone's taken the time to explain the facts that any open and logical mind could have worked out it's self. The drill rig(mining) I operate uses the same amount of diesel in one shift our car uses in 1 month so for me the writing was on the wall .

[@deansapp4635]

Thank God at age 65, I will not be forced to drive a EV.

[@scuffmacgillicutty7509]

Would you be willing to bet on that Dean?

[@SigFigNewton]

Not a fan of superior music listening experience, eh? Prefer the noisy engine. Well, to each his own.

[@davebrown8260]

How much do you want to bet that Elon Musk will convince Trump to force them on us?

[@johneyton5452]

​@SigFigNewton you mean while you're parked up recharging halfway through your trip? Count me in with the poor saps that just want to get to where we're headed.

[@deansapp4635]

@@scuffmacgillicutty7509 Yes

[@Astounding-News]

There's already an insufficient power grid capacity to handles the large numbers of EVs and the coming AI Revolution, makes adopting EV vehicles at time extremely foolish! They're already telling EV owners in Los Angeles during the summer not to charge their cars overnight in Los Angeles, to prevent brownouts and blackouts on the power grid. Many new nuclear power stations will have to be built for the huge AI Revolution and the EV demands as well, that could easily take ten to twenty years for extensive construction and plant funding and their approvals!

[@dirkbester9050]

California is a stupid state that does not produce enough energy for itself and is closing nuclear plants, not opening them. I don't think you want to use a state with 35c electricity as an example. Here in Texas it is more like 14c a kW. One last fact, because an EV is so much more efficient than a gas car, it takes less energy to run an all EV fleet than an all gas fleet. We need about 30% more electricity to go all electric, and that includes powering the many more vehicles we will have in the future when that comes to pass.

[@SigFigNewton]

lol Is that one of the arguments that the fan salesmen made when air conditioning was invented? There was a huge increase in electricity demand, so we improved infrastructure. This is no different. I mean EVs save far more lives than air conditioning does, so I guess it’s different in some ways

[@someuser7501]

@SigFigNewton Also using central air conditioning uses more power than charging your car. Nobody told people not to buy air conditioners.

[@johnscherer8023]

Partial correction: California has a stupid governor.

[@12alocin]

@@someuser7501 Air conditioners don't have batteries!

[@timothygardner2974]

Coming from a firefighter. EV’s are a absolute NIGHTMARE

[@malph9216]

I doubt we'll ever see a Vintage EV meet......

[@snowrocket]

No, you are wrong. EV enthusiasts will embrace some older EVs as significant. I think the 2012 Tesla Model S will be one of them.

[@jonathonalsop2120]

You absolutely will, and it's cool to see vintage EVs right now like the Bakers etc. from 100+ years ago and any of the compliance cars from the 1990s, it's an embarrassment GM crushed its EV1s.

[@fatboy19831]

@@malph9216 I would love to see the 500 volt 1965 Corviar Electric. The old 1940s Ny Ny electric newspaper delivery Trucks.

[@christopherlipowski397]

What about the risk of fire in EV cars that emit serious toxic smoke and environmental contamination. The mining of the minerals for EVs is significantly damaging to our environment, more than efficient fuel cars.

[@davesmith5656]

I'm in the market for a naturally aspirated V8 engine. The more EV's on the road, the lower the gasoline demand. I kind of like the smell of gasoline, and of exhaust. Not too much, just the whiff of it is pleasing.

[@cesilpreston]

Most people don't know or care about EV fires because the authorities are clamping down and covering them up. We had an airport multi-storey car park burn down at Luton. The authorities were told to blame it on a diesel car. It is hilarious. We had steel and concrete pillars melt and entire floor of the car park collapse, and they blamed a diesel officially. Anyone with some basic knowledge of cars and physics will know that petrol won't burn at high enough temperatures to burn steel and concrete pillars. Only a EV fire could burn hot enough to melt steel and destroy floor after floor of the parking lot. Diesel doesn't even catch on fire. The media, fire service, airport officials all are advised by the authorities to supress news of EV fires and blame something else instead. There are so many examples of this. Lookup MGUY.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Those elements aren't made in the natural cycles of the Earth, they were created in late stage supernova fusion and we won't be getting more of that stuff. So how is this renewable?

[@SigFigNewton]

Toxic smoke? The American Lung Association has a nice report outlining how many lives will be saved from the transition away from combustion engine exhaust. If toxic stuff in lungs is the concern, EVs are the clear choice. Well.. bikes. Then EVs.

[@SigFigNewton]

Environmental contamination is something the oil industry has long dabbled in. But it’s very small potatoes compared with what the impacts of climate change will be if we reject easy wins such as EVs

[@rezamoghadasianrad7743]

Been doing long haul on canadian roads witnessed many EVs obviously ran out of battery, They never buy EVs again

[@tonyheffernan7403]

You can also run out of Diesel or Petrol if you set off on a journey not knowing where you are going, you have to check the expected range of your Vehicle and see where you can charge, Plan ahead this applies to all Vehicles requiring Fuel of any type... No Brainer.

[@alariaesculenta8177]

@tonyheffernan7403 Yea, try charging where there are no EV charging stations and they will never build some because it's too far. Folks who live in the North shouldn't have to put up with their nonsense, EVs are made for urban areas. You never run out of gas in the north because we plan.....

[@snowrocket]

Most of what you are seeing is probably uninformed starry-eyed people who did NOT research what they were buying and how to use it properly. The EV TELLS you your energy usage and TELLS YOU where the chargers are located.

[@zdenekkindl2778]

You have never run out of gasoline before? What’s the big deal?

[@alariaesculenta8177]

@zdenekkindl2778 No never have run out of gas in my entire long life because it's easy to plan your needs on a long trip using your marbles, even to remote locations

[@BryceLovesTech]

My Tesla has 193,000 miles on the original battery. I drive 100 miles per day for my commute. I could not even afford to drive this far with a gas vehicle. And I agree with everything he said. But not going to a gas station every three days is priceless.

[@bryanmiller476]

Thats only true if you bought a equally priced gas car But fact is that its not actually true cuz you would have had the option to buy a gas car that cost half the price anyway

[@charlesbecker9617]

You are a rolling Fire Hazzard! I don't want you in front of me, when your time bomb bursts into flame, because of a damaged, or wet lithium battery cell. Refined lithium reacts explosively when in contact with water, fresh, or salt water makes No Difference!

[@robertheinkel6225]

No gas station stops, but you have to charge it every day. You are just switching one task for another.

[@BigdickBigdick-x6j]

How's that a brand new Bronco cost 80,000 Grand and the brand new Tesla cost 35,000 Grand ​@@bryanmiller476

[@WoodlawnSound]

@@robertheinkel6225 We plug them in at night. Costs no more time than remembering to close the garage door.

[@Catzanova]

I love my Tesla 3 - and this video is spot on. I tell my friends that they should buy an EV as their next car, if they need to buy a new car and an EV satisfies their driving needs. Here in Denmark, we are able to cut down our CO2 emissions by driving EVs. A lot of our energy mix is made by wind and the cheaper (subsidised) EVs are removing old gas cars. By the way, it has been proven that an EV is emitting less CO2 in its lifetime, if it is used for several years (that’s because it does cost a lot of CO2 to manufacture the battery). Regarding destruction of capital: The whole idea is to burn money to cut CO2 emissions. That’s the point. We don’t hide that here in Denmark - the trick is to achieve balance in that transformation towards less emissions.

[@nittygritty-q7t]

Acording to the Global Footprint Network, Denmark has a biocapacity deficit of -71% this is not good but not very bad like the pacific nation of Nauru at -46,000%! Strive to be more like Sweden at +58% reserve, or Canada +87% or Australia +87%, this is excess biocapacity absorbing CO2.

[@irekhul4759]

NP. Have fun with your EV and be happy. Just DON''T touch my tax money to support that kind of happiness. That's all eh.

[@Catzanova]

@ you clearly know nothing about the tax system here in Denmark. All vehicles are taxed 150% here. The EVs then get a tax cut according to its price - the more expensive, the higher the tax. So when an EV is cheaper here in Denmark, it’s basically because it’s less taxed - but it’s still taxed.

[@Jeffbob442]

They should show this in every class room in the USA!

[@davidc2838]

Yeah because BIG OIL SHILL should be teaching kids what the BIG OIL companies want you to DO. Nah, he's spreading FUD that's 10 years OLD. Getting PAID by BIG OIL / BIG Fossil Fuels. Not thanks.

[@justsomeguy934]

And they should also state that the Manhattan Institute, which Mark Mills works for, is a paid lobbyist from the oil industry. You're right, every student should see what propaganda looks like and how to recognize it.

[@rsmith1168]

Unfortunately, Mark has told many half truths, misstated facts and left out some inconvenient points that hurt his argument. I agree that we need to eliminate all subsidies for EVs and oil, but he should be unbiased in his presentation. For example, he talks about EVs increasing imports from China, but Tesla outsells all other EV manufacturer in the US combined, and they have more US content than Ford, GM or any other car sold in the US. In 2024, the average car price in the US is $48,397, but a Tesla Model Y (the best selling car in the world) costs only $44,990. If he wanted to be accurate, he could have done some research! I could go on with many more examples.

[@heizoeli9152]

He didn't mention the biggest disadvantage of EV cars. They will kill the oil industry. Every single new ICE car increases the oil selling market by safely 5'000 gallons during its lifetime! So it is comprehensible for those people who profit from oil, to prevent people from buying EVs.

[@justsomeguy934]

@@heizoeli9152 No, EVs will NOT "kill the oil industry". There is literally everything near you right now that contains oil. Your clothes. Your shoes. The keyboard you're typing on. Your glasses. Your car. Oil is not going away.

[@Anvanho]

Absolutely love our all-electric vehicle! Charge it right at home with the Level II charger I received for free as an incentive. (That I myself installed!) Was able to use up to $13,000 in state, manufacturer and federal rebates with at the time of sale! Assist home charging with solar panels. No more stops at filthy, polluting gas stations ever! I get ~270 miles on a full car charge. Just took a long vacation way out of town, cost almost nothing for transportation. Saving a ton of money on gas, oil, ICE engine maintenance. Am thrilled to see public stations being installed everywhere!

[@bfula9900]

Subsidizing is one thing, $7500 is a ridiculous left wing mandate. The entire EV industry would be DOA without it. Let them figure out a way to survive on their own. Fun fact, income tax was to be temporary and only for the rich!

[@justsomeguy934]

Absolutely false, the EV industry is doing just fine. Tell me, if oil is such a good fuel, why does it get BILLIONS in annual subsidies from the taxpayers, and TRILLIONS in free military protection? Can't oil survive on its own?

[@simonhird-rutter6052]

Interesting comment about EV Subsidies, Canadian government subsidies are over 6 billion per year, so the fact that EVs are subsidised is a mute point.

[@jazzfan7491]

Right! Let the rich keep all their money! Close all schools and national parks! MAGA!

[@fatboy19831]

@@bfula9900 you can’t kill Tesla at this point. Even without a Tax credit they would become more dominant. There cars and trucks keep getting cheaper wile their profits increase.

[@sb5580]

A few months back i say a piece by Mark Mills, and i did the research to check out if he was correct. It became pretty obvious that what he said was some what dated, and that Tesla was doing what was needed to deal with the issues M.Mills brought up. So I took the point of view that Tesla was the most competent player in making evs. While researching them i was convinced they were on the verge of solving autonomy, which elevates ev's to a status that puts them way ahead of all gas cars as far as safety goes. I make a big bet on tesla at a good time, and thank you Mark. Trust but verify. Hillsdale college is still gaining points with conservatives by attacking the political ghost of al gore. Geesh. China moved to 50% new cars being ev from 6% in 3 years. Helped their smog problem a great deal. Battery makers are constantly improving the battery tech to include less expensive hard to find/ refine metals. Talk about picking a team..Mills is replete with dated facts. Has not kept up with the progress at Tesla. Ev's with autonomy will be a revolution, actually like having an intelligent horse knows its own way home. The cost of future ev's will reduce the value of all used cars, not just ev, that's just market forces giving people choices. Just note that M.Mills is more or less been a lobbyist on the payroll at the manhattan institute for years spreading the gospel of big oil

[@rsmith1168]

Spot on! Unfortunately, Mark has told many half truths, misstated facts and left out some inconvenient points that hurt his argument. I agree that we need to eliminate all subsidies for EVs and oil, but he should be unbiased in his presentation. For example, he talks about EVs increasing imports from China, but Tesla outsells all other EV manufacturer in the US combined, and they have more US content than Ford, GM or any other car sold in the US. In 2024, the average car price in the US is $48,397, but a Tesla Model Y (the best selling car in the world) costs only $44,990. If he wanted to be accurate, he could have done some research! I could go on with many more examples.

[@sb5580]

@@rsmith1168 The Hillsdale audience is full of a lot of people who are to young or lazy to do their own research of even form their own ideas, especially about scientific subjects. Its important to always see the many sides of any argument and follow the "best facts" as far as you can. It pays to know where a speaker is coming from, how he makes his living. The logic of Mr. Mills is that there is no progress. he already knows it all, and that all the changes you see happening won't bring any progress. Why is a tobacco lobbyist like an oil industry lobbyist? Either way you breath a lot of hot air and tar.

[@RADMAN0257]

The govt, EPA, mandating a 49 MPG fleet average in the next few years has caused manufacturers to complicate ICE engines (turbos, computer controller mechanical valve timing, cylinder deactivation, plastic parts, weight reduction) and also requires the manufacturers to invest multi-billions to engineer and produce EVs. In either case these vehicles are causing more warranty repairs which are costing the manufacturers even more. With little EV demand the cost of ICE vehicles have spiked. I wouldn't doubt that the manufacturers will be needing bailouts to remain in business. Already seeing that with the Stellantis brands.

[@smacdonald5142]

True. In 1991 you could by a care that got 50mpg. It's more govt mandates and regulation that made them bigger, heavier and more expensive.

[@vkristof1]

cylinder deactivation has been around for 40+ years. It might work reliably now (2024). Turbos have been in cars for decades also.

[@tomc8157]

@@smacdonald5142 They had to make the cars safer because people got stupider.

[@markholzrichter2755]

At the beginning you said EVs are inconvenient. We've driven our EV from Denver to Hillsdale to visit relatives about six times, each time charging at the charger you installed begins the townhouses on N West St. Thank you so much for making our visits so convenient.

[@markholzrichter2755]

Correction: Only four trips to Hillsdale in our EV. And to not abuse the privilege of using your charger, we coordinated with Ms. Gray prior to each trip.

[@jerrytalley802]

I wish I still had my old 1963 Comet station, lol. I paid $225 total for it around 1980-1982. Easy to fix, dirt cheap to maintain. Drove it 9,000 miles across country and back. Rebillt master cylinder in the yard for a few dollars, replaced the real axle bearing in Oklahoma. Starter in Wyoming,

[@KKnosis]

Even Elon says we need gas powered vehicles also.

[@michaelcarson8375]

What do you think Tesla uses to pick up stranded EVs? Look up Tesla recue van... 🤣

[@mpwaterhouse]

Especially in California, we have hot/cold climate extremes, mountains and snow for a start. We also have a lot of people that love to tow things up and down mountains - ATVs, Snowmobiles, boats etc. All big EVs like the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning have severe towing capacity limitations cutting the viable range below 100 miles. Plus when you have a trailer hitched to the back of the EV you have to mess around unhitching, stashing then re-hitching the trailer every time you need a charge. Which will be many times driving from the coast to the mountains and back!

[@KKnosis]

Some EVs caught fire during the floodings from hurricanes. More of that coming...

[@robogle59]

Good comment. @kknosis Yes, Elon knows we are not completely ready. He also does not agree with the tax credits. Still, he’s taken the leap, putting his intellect and funding towards finding improvements-and it will get better. Just look at what he’s accomplished with SpaceX. Pros and cons always exist. There’s an inherent balance of trade-offs, a kind of opposition in all things. Look no further than entropy-it reminds us that systems naturally encounter resistance and inefficiencies as they evolve. I shared on my channel a couple videos of my decision process. The challenges with EVs-like the cost to build and environmental concerns-are real and valid. The video I watched made fair points about these issues. But progress requires iteration, and while today’s EVs are not perfect, they represent a step toward meaningful innovation.

[@davidc2838]

No. He didn't. He said that there isn't enough EV production YET. ALL Ground Transport Vehicles will be EVs and faster than you think. Globally it's already 20% EVs this year and GROWING.

[@0bzen22]

Mandates are the issue. If there were no mandates, you'd have fewer models, better quality, Tesla would still be doing its thing, and Chinese cars wouldn't be such an issue. Certainly in Europe. All for the sake of a few extra years of petrol cars. Instead of wasting so much money and resources building obsolete battery factories and cars nobody wants, we should be spending the money on infrastructure, nuclear power (maybe even LFTR tech), and research on battery tech and whatnot. Almost as if the crisis was engineered...🤔

[@DeadManWalking2]

🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔

[@justsomeguy934]

Explain the $20 BILLION in annual subsidies for the oil industry, and the TRILLIONS in free military protection that the oil companies don't pay a dime for....

[@jimmyrk3]

I would like to see more videos like this.

[@wheel-man5319]

Not really. Dr Mills seems to be a long term we'll get there sales man selling a dry well... Or maybe a 'salted' claim.

[@SigFigNewton]

@@wheel-man5319EVs are superior in the ways that matter most to consumers, so we no longer have to rely on the fact that they are superior for the planet. Their takeover cannot be stopped at this point, it would take massive ICE subsidies

[@ronaldlenz5745]

Mark Mills is a shill for the oil and gas industry.

[@rsmith1168]

Unfortunately, Mark has told many half truths, misstated facts and left out some inconvenient points that hurt his argument. I agree that we need to eliminate all subsidies for EVs and oil, but he should be unbiased in his presentation. For example, he talks about EVs increasing imports from China, but Tesla outsells all other EV manufacturer in the US combined, and they have more US content than Ford, GM or any other car sold in the US. In 2024, the average car price in the US is $48,397, but a Tesla Model Y (the best selling car in the world) costs only $44,990. If he wanted to be accurate, he could have done some research! I could go on with many more examples.

[@lindasmoot4874]

Please bring back the VW Beatles from the 1960s. That was a great car.

[@zeitgeist888]

A lot of good and valid points. I don't want to see a mandate nor are EVs the right choice for some people. However I think it is a bit disingenuous to say that EVs have similar amount of moving parts. EVs have great performance, less moving parts are smoother and need less maintenance than an equal ICE vehicle. The vast majority of work commutes and daily usage an EV range and easy charging at home make a ton of sense for users. Balancing EV and ICE vehicle ownership with regulations and subsidies is a fair discussion as long as it is done honestly and objectively.

[@acreguy3156]

*"There is a tailpipe for EVs, elsewhere.* That's the most brilliant statement I've heard for the last 20 years!!

[@timelsen2236]

"Mark Mills is a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and a Strategic Partner at Cottonwood Venture Partners, an investment firm focused on technological advancements in oil and gas production."

[@rustysteed8414]

And speaks the truth, even if the fan boys don't want to accept it. Facts are facts.

[@justsomeguy934]

@@rustysteed8414 No, a paid lobbyist is NOT telling you "facts", he's telling you what he's paid to tell you or he wouldn't be PAID by the oil industry. Tell me, do you trust CNN to make an objective news story? No? Could they be biased, perhaps? So if you have healthy skepticism for media sources, why do you drop that skepticism when you absolutely know that the person talking to you is a lobbyist?

[@grantvetters5253]

Yep, guy is a snake oil salesman.

[@Dadudadoo]

And he is a gaslighter for the oil,gas and ICE auto industry...

[@justsomeguy934]

@@rustysteed8414 Mark Mills merely speaks what YOU AGREE WITH, not facts. He's a lobbyist for the oil industry. I suggest you learn to vet your media and information sources better.

[@Alban.Bytyqi]

Why are we being lied to... I've always said we are moving pollution from the streets to the factory. But pollution is being released in equal measure at a specific location.

[@Rockingruvin]

Yes there are fossil fuels used to bring the battery materials to the factories, but there are also similar uses to bring materials to factories for ICE vehicles. The real "environmental" savings come from the car running on electricity vs fossil. And yes, some of the electricity is produced from fossil, but there is a lot coming from "green" sources, and once 2nd generation clean/safe nuclear energy makes its debut , EVs will make a lot more sense. In another five to ten years it will truly be a no-brainer. Mandates won't be necessary... the cost differential in fuel will drive the market.

[@Funtimes670]

There is no green energy, just different energy.

[@SigFigNewton]

Sustainable is a better word. Modern civilization can’t survive continued burning of fossil fuels. It can easily survive mine pollution.

[@davidc2838]

Nonsense. BIG OIL have been poisoning people for 100+ years. Solar and Battery storage solves most of the pollution problems inherent in BIG OIL / BIG Fossil Fuels cancer causing Toxic Fumes. This is happening at scale already...and rapidly increasing.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

That is completely not true. Different sources of energy have different costs and negatives. Oil has some major negatives not to mention it is a limited resource. Nuclear is actually the best source we should be building more of.

[@SigFigNewton]

@@Funtimes670 there’s sustainable energy, and then there’s the burning of fossil fuels. Literally any other option is superior if we care about the economy long term.

[@markpownall6967]

I liked how he threw a pun in as well. FIRE SALE FOR EV'S.

[@lavichiajones9456]

Thanks for your input. I agree with you. Your perspective on the differences has been educational as a dealership. Now I know how to move around for 2025😊

[@vijairamdeensingh3008]

I'm 45 years old, got a 2017 Toyota Hilux with a 2.5L diesel engine, best vehicle I ever had, intend on keeping until I die.

[@mikemcnamara3777]

I’d love a HILUX! But I live in the freest country where my government won’t allow them to be sold.

[@fatboy19831]

@@vijairamdeensingh3008 none of my 10 or so Toyotas compare to my Tesla 3. 130,000 miles. Still on the stock breaks. No oil changes, no emissions service. No rust. The Tesla drives better than any of my Toyotas. There is no electric equivalent to the Hilux yet. Ford most likely will have something soon.

[@tiomkinnyborg2289]

A secondhand ICE car still runs. The engine will last for thousands of miles and can be serviced or replaced. An EV is the battery on wheels. As the battery wears out the range goes down, the cost of a new battery is 3 times the cost of the used EV. There is no real resale value. Charging is impossible if you don't have off road parking. Charging can take hours versus 5 mins. The heater and air-con works on ICE cars but you are afraid to use them on an EV as the range is destroyed. So freeze in the winter and bake in the summer. I am sure all these problems will be fixed in 100 years but today they prevent mass adoption.

[@binauralauto3621]

With 90,000 miles on our electric, I've noticed no performance difference or range loss. Simple truth of the Lithium tech. Charge between 20 and 80 percent for best life. As for the freezing -40F for more than 100 miles in a blizzard, and when we arrived to the motel I didn't even plug it in. The next morning the Mercedes Diesel was plugged in and I thought it was ironic.

[@tiomkinnyborg2289]

@@binauralauto3621 Ha Ha Ha. Good one. If true take your car in and sell your magical batteries to the world. You have cracked the problem that EVERY Li0ion battery suffers from. Keep you lies to yourself. Pinocchio.

[@AndreasGlad-rq7vx]

​@@binauralauto3621you are a lying propagandist.

[@esan0715]

Not sure how this is so hard to understand. There was a study that showed the average EV is responsible for more emissions in its life time than the average combustion engine vehicle. Mainly because of everything being explained on this video

[@simonov_spas]

It's not hard, but it's not convenient 😂. It's also not hard to grasp that there are only males and females, but see what happens across the pond?! 😂 The world has lost it 😂

[@fatboy19831]

@@esan0715 do you understand what it takes to get one gallon of gas to a gas station?

[@esan0715]

@fatboy19831 I sure do. Heres a bit of reading for you: "Producing an EV's battery requires a lot of energy and can create more carbon pollution than making a gas car. The mining and processing of minerals for batteries can also be harmful, using diesel trucks and fossil fuel refineries, and can contaminate water."

[@beornthebear.8220]

I knew that EVs created emissions elsewhere. Just because it's not over your city doesn't mean the pollution doesn't exist.

[@chrisburger4518]

I appreciate the video content from Hillsdale. This is a rapidly changing topic... I'm a conservative and drive a 2023 Tesla Model 3 base (rear wheel drive). I also have a 4Runner. After the $7.5k rebate, the Model 3 cost about $37.5K. IMO my EV compares closely to many mid-sized sedans. It has proven to be much less to fuel or energize - by about a third. While there are more expensive models, the same applies to any brand. It's worth noting I don't agree with the EV rebate - just let the market decide consumer demand. One thing missed is that not all battery tech is the same. My battery is a LFP - no cobalt or lithium - uses iron. Lastly, Tesla is making profit on each vehicle, while many are struggling to catch up.

[@Fred-mp1vf]

Just wait until you have to replace the batteries. If they even CAN be replaced, it usually costs more than the vehicle is worth!

[@leecowell8165]

Lotsa luck driving that POS for 25 years like I did with my 7.3 diesel. It'll be in the trash heap long before that happens while that engine is still going strong.

[@joachimborgonjon8995]

LFP stands for lithium ferro phosfate, so it does have lithium, no cobalt. I do believe that most materials will be recycled in an efficient way, so they only need to be dug out once. One battery lasts a long time 300000 to 600000km's and battery tech is improving and battery prices falling.that's why it's hard to sell a second hand electric vehicle.

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

Non-computerized cars give us autonomy.

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

I guess I should say cars that can’t be meddled with remotely and that we can fix ourselves give us autonomy.

[@williamthesling1201]

EVs are revolutionary... or at least they likely will be. Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) cars have been around for greater than 100 years and production costs are largely down the cost curve. They are pretty remarkable when you consider what you get for your money. However, EVs are still on the steep part of the cost curve. As battery technology improves, the biggest gaps between ICE and EV cars (range, recharge time, and cost) will likely shift in favor of EVs. (at least the is what I suspect will happen). However, I could be wrong... Let the free market decide! Eliminate mandates and subsidies of all types! They just distort the market and result in suboptimal decisions. The theory is that they "accelerate" the transition". But I don't think transitions need to be accelerated.

[@snowrocket]

Very well said.

[@kkostadinof]

You ARE wrong - you can't and won't charge an EV in 10 min or less - what it usually takes to fill a gas tank of an ICE car - in the foreseeable future..

[@heizoeli9152]

@@kkostadinof It is not necessary to charge your EV as fast as putting gas in an ICE. You can combine charging your car while eating, drinking, shopping or doing other things. I am happy not having to stop at any gas station anymore since i can charge my car at home.

[@chasl3645]

Oils been a blessing to society and it will continue to be so. It has to be it makes almost 10,000 different products for our society. I see the industry becoming leaner more efficient and profitable. They don't need more production. What it makes just needs to be more valuable. What we gain in America is redundancy in our energy supply. When it's all said and done you're going to spend a little more here and save their. This whole thing reminds me of the war of the currents. Just like that we will wind up with a AC DC type system that works together. We need oil and all the talented people that work with it. We need electricity and all the talented people that work with it. Hopefully at the end of it we have a better more efficient and recyclable products.

[@JohnnyWordSmith]

Did this man say this off the cuff, no notes or script? Brilliant.

[@bdjm8595]

Totally agree with this guy, EV's are great for many folks but NOT for everyone, let the market decide what works and what doesn't !!!

[@jacekmarczyk4436]

Exciting? Waiting in line at 2 in the morning to recharge is exciting? Yeah, sure.

[@snowrocket]

Waiting while I had my Nissan's exhaust repaired three different times to pass Ohio's emissions test wasn't exciting either. Tell me again how convenient an ICE car is.

[@jacekmarczyk4436]

@@snowrocket An isolated event does not constitute a trend. Ask the other billion of ICE car users.

[@snowrocket]

@@jacekmarczyk4436 Yes, as they are inconvenienced for oil changes, exhaust repairs, timing belt replacements, overheating issues, and transmission service or replacement. Yeah, you just go ahead and ask all 15 years worth of 2.5 liter Subaru engine owners exactly how convenient and economical it was to have the cylinder head gaskets go bad on their ICE cars.

[@jeffferg8498]

Truth density of this talk is amazing. Listen, repeat, and live wiser as a result.

[@richardgarrett8087]

2017 Tesla S. 157K mi. Battery down 4%. Don’t see the problem.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Tesla tends to have a superior product, superior technology and superior manufacturing. I expect the battery packs from other makers decline faster. I mean, just look at how often they catch on fire / explode from other manufacturers.

[@heizoeli9152]

@@Me__Myself__and__I You cannot compare EVs from today with those from 2017. Battery development is going fast, regarding capacity/energy density, durability, fire security. By the way, ICE cars catch significantly more often fire than EVs.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@heizoeli9152 EVs from 2017 are still on the streets in active use so they absolutely can be talked about. But regardless, there are countless cars catching fire all of China from their poor quality manufacturing in the past year.

[@kb9gkc]

Your battery will rapidly degrade in the next 12 months. They experience a hockey stick type decline.

[@heizoeli9152]

@@Me__Myself__and__I I didn't claim that EVs from 2017 are bad, I only wanted to say that new ones will be even better.

[@snss1440]

Wow! A very well presented piece. Informative indeed!

[@mikemccormick8115]

Times are changing fast. Eventually supply must match demand regardless of government control.

[@Mrbfgray]

Mandates are stupid and counter productive, they drive legit backlash against obviously superior BEVs. Pols want credit for a revolution they had no useful roll creating.

[@SigFigNewton]

Supply of EVs and supply of ICE currently exceeds demand

[@dmoore319]

Perfectly explained and all the things the government and others don't want you to know. As he stated you solve one problem and create another problem that is equally as bad or worse. I know in my lifetime EV vehicles will never be the majority on the road. I know I won't own one unless there were no more gasoline vehicles to purchase or they made it extremely unaffordable to own one or get parts.

[@StevenWhyte-s9m]

if you can charge at home and do not require more than 250 miles a day, EV's are great. next to no servicing cost, more comfortable than an ice car and way way more efficient.

[@jminnt1020]

And when it is time to upgrade....you will get peanuts for it 😂😂

[@StevenWhyte-s9m]

@@jminnt1020 but it lasts many years because there is little to go wrog. No timing belt or choked intakes. even when the battery degrades, there is still plenty of renage to make an old electric car a viable choice for many people.

[@gszabo7464]

Nice talk but it would be even better if someone would do a side by side comparison, write down all the costs. An electric vehicle has thousands of less parts than a regular gas car. Those parts are coming from somewhere, you need to mine those, ship it to the manufacture etc. those parts can break, so you need a new one. From fact: a Tesla 3 gors to 140,000 miles, the battery is above 80% and only 1 part needed to be replaced for $150. Now show me a regular gas car, just if you go by the manufacturer suggestion you gonna replace a bunch of parts, not mentioning the oil changes, breakfluid etc So, show me a real comparison!

[@bigredstache4828]

Just live in warm climates and no water puddles

[@gsmollin2]

Teslas have service brakes too.

[@uisblackcat]

I like my EV. No tax credits for it. Built by our partners in Korea. We have a fair trade deal with the Koreans (South), and there is no threat of tariffs on them. I'm very pleased with my Hyundai Ioniq 6. The debate isn't about electric versus gasoline. It's about helping people to avoid buying JUNK. And there's a lot of JUNK out there of all types.

[@deathlarsen7502]

By the looks of your photo I can tell you're not fully sane your comment is inconclusive and makes no sense

[@josefigueiredo8022]

I don’t need the government to decide for me what constitutes junk! Especially when they use my tax dollars to influence my decisions 🤷‍♂️🙈

[@josefigueiredo8022]

@@deathlarsen7502stick to the subject matter mate!

[@jeffcressotti]

Love my Ioniq 5. But I get why a lot of people won’t make the change. The charging network still needs vast improvements.

[@Llyrin]

Features, yes. Options, not so much. My first Camaro came standard with an L6 engine, 3-speed manual trans, and AM radio. I ordered options of 305 V8, 4-speed manual, AM/FM, A/C, rear defogger, and that was it. Two Camaros and a Seville STS later, I bought a “basic” Ford Fusion, with no “options,” but lots of features, such as A/C, AM/FM/CD, rear defogger, power windows & locks, power trunk release, remote key, tilt wheel, front & side air bags. I think that’s it. This was the BASIC Fusion, called a Fusion S-probably S for “simple.” 😂 and the cost was 3X that first Camaro.

[@mikeb4708]

Well, that’s called inflation. Most everything is 3 times as much as it used to be.

[@Llyrin]

@ I guess you missed the point.

[@4toddt]

This argument won’t age well. While I agree that mandating EVs is counterproductive, his supporting points are only partially correct. For example, while batteries are difficult to build, EVs are fundamentally simpler than internal combustion vehicles, and their batteries are maintenance-free for the life of the vehicle. He argued that EVs are inconvenient for most people. While charging a non-Tesla EV on long trips can be problematic, the majority of EVs sold are Teslas. His point that current EV offerings compete with luxury cars is accurate, but he seems unaware that the Model Y is the bestselling car worldwide, battery prices-the most expensive component-are declining rapidly, and Tesla is preparing to release a low-cost model. Overall, he underestimates both how revolutionary EVs are and how quickly they will be adopted.

[@brownhat1290]

"There is a tailpipe for EV's.....they're just elsewhere."

[@timelsen2236]

"Mark Mills is a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and a Strategic Partner at Cottonwood Venture Partners, an investment firm focused on technological advancements in OIL and GAS production." No grid dependence if powered by solar on your roof. No transmission losses either. Wake up!

[@DaveyJonesLockerwithJazzy]

It's also a MASSIVE tailpipe, elsewhere.

[@michaeloshea5505]

Brilliantly said, politicians need to start listening, let people choose, and sort out the real problems that are concerning ordinary citizens. I dont need to list them. We all know what they are, and its not electric cars, or its good by to democracy and an age of chaos.

[@bagheera32]

If EV’s are expensive and nobody wants them than why put 100% tariff on Chinese cars? Isn’t that limiting choice of consumers who want cheap cars ?

[@andyponton9522]

The American car industry cannot compete with China's prices......China has MUCH less regulation, and MUCH MUCH cheaper labor costs. Our car industry would die, and we would be beholden to China for yet another major part of daily life.

[@snowrocket]

China is subsidizing their car companies, and their workers' labor rate is much lower than in most industrialized nations. I'm for the tariffs.

[@EUGENIUS60]

I laugh at people mentioning labour cost 😂. If you decree a minimum wage of course wages will be high. Low labor costs shouldn’t be an accusatory call. China low labour costs simply points out that they are better at what they are doing.

[@EUGENIUS60]

@@snowrocketBla blah bla BS

[@charlo90952]

​@@snowrocketit's you who pays the tariffs. Unless you work in the vehicle industry there's no benefit to you by taxing cheaper and well built Chinese EVs.