Himiway vs Radrover Hub Motor Comparison

[@Longbowwoman]

I really appreciate all your effort in getting this motor off for us!!!!! Thank you.

[@davidmarsh1158]

Thanks for your time and interest with ebikes. I'm a Himiway cruiser owner.👍🚴

[@DanielLopes-jt8yl]

It’s TRUE! Bigger is better! Thanks for the extra effort and too educating us as to the REAL deal. Information like this empowers all of us in the Ebike community. Great job’ em u da bestest!

[@CitizenCycle925]

So many people had asked me I had to open it up 😁

[@dtape]

Thanks for saying what kind of grease to freshen the gears inside the motors. I have to take apart a motor soon and needed to know what kind of grease to use.

[@davidspradley9182]

CitizenCycle, Very informative, I can see this comment thread is going to be VERY long! As for the "screw thread glue" Loctite brand has two colors, blue (regular) strength) and red (extra strength) Keep up the great work, I think I can speak for most of us, we all knew you would get it apart! Sprad

[@CitizenCycle925]

I did see some blue on the screw threads but it seemed like there was something else on them as well.

[@davidspradley9182]

Well, I don’t know? But technically changes so fast, it takes a lot of effort to keep up with it. Again I will say, without the internet and people like you, tinkling turtle and Bolton Ebikes, just to mention a few of thousands, I personally would feel like I was living in the stone ages! We used to have to study books and make our own mistakes. Now we can learn from others in a virtual world. I say thank all of you good guys for helping others out. Sprad

[@BillTheHawk]

Thanks for this Review! This is the review I have been waiting for. Good work, I would recommend a 3/8-Inch Drive Manual Hand Impact Driver. It is a tool you use with a ball pein hammer to remove screws. I notice that the derailleur gears are lower on the BAFANG motor, you would not want lower on the IVANSING motor.

[@nwmetalbug]

I have a Himiway its pretty good. Ordered Biktrix ultra 1000 to try a mid drive bafang ultra to see if it feels more natural. My legs cant keep up with the Himiway at top speed Im 64 years young lol. Keep up your vids best on the tube.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Wow from a himiway to an ultra 1000 motor that's probably going to be an eye opener 😁

[@nwmetalbug]

@@CitizenCycle925 For the money I hope so lol

[@MumfordJim]

Consider a 2nd battery unless you are going long distances all the time. Most of the time I ride less than 25 miles in a day. But if I’m going for a longer ride I carry my spare/extra battery in a backpack. That would allow me to ride about 70 miles. This is cheaper than a huge battery and your bike is lighter.

[@nwmetalbug]

@@MumfordJim I ordered an extra battery rather than upping the battery that comes with the Ultra 1000. Their pricing for larger batteries are a rip off to me

[@jeffberg4372]

Change your freewheel (Back sprockets) to an 11-34. You'll solve that problem.

[@stevemccormack9948]

So, for the Fiido T1 that I have, I inserted a smaller battery (17.4AH instead of the big 20AH that came with the bike). The result was that it had about about 85% of the power in acceleration. This was good because the original was too powerful which leaves it hard on the battery. The larger battery pack can have bigger throughput and also the different BMS internally might be a factor. So batteries can have different characteristics when matched with different controllers.

[@nickloks]

How was the process in getting the motor off the cruiser??

[@finrider9924]

The Himingway is 750w. Same size as after market 750 but shorter shell. Inside windings and magnets are identical.

[@finrider9924]

For furure tests always test no load speed (wheel of the ground full throttle on same exact voltage) to verify KV differences. This is independent on controller Power rating (FOC controller excluded).

[@mikerochester]

What bike do you like best today. I have seen videos that the Himiway has electrical problems is this true? Really like it through.

[@alistairbarclay3116]

I wish you would pull a Cyrusher 750 motor to see what it looks like, given they seem more torquey than the Rad bikes.

[@harpguy1]

The difference in power between the 2 is that the Rad controller is 16.5 amps & the Himiway controller is 25 amps = huge difference in power. There is no ability to change that in the Rad controller however in the Himiway it is adjustable. Amps multiplied by Volts equals Watts, which is the measurement used to determine the amount of energy. The higher the wattage is, the more power and output from the appliance. I hope this answers your question in the video Citizen Cycle.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Yes but the Himiway controllers is set to 15 amps from factory or at least mine was. So in my opinion the diference in the motors as shown in the video (about 25% to me) also explains why in the stock setting the Himiway is more powerful than the RAD. Then is you goi into the seeting of the Himi and set the controller to 25 amps you are getting 1200 watts toi the motor.

[@ericechipman1183]

Thanks for another awesome video, the cyrusher bike you have do you know if it has a bafang motor in it or something different?

[@joc1862]

Motor on left is the internals of the Bafang 500w geared hub motor - labled 750 on the Radrover? Hmmmmm! Don't know what the other motor is - seems halfway between the Bafang 500 & 750. See my video on the link below for the Bafang 500/750 comparison and swap. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3rYanSYe85_opo

[@bigwheelsturning]

The motor on the right has a much wider stator, so there is more winding's it in, so more lines of flux, and more power.

[@finrider9924]

By the way RM G060 motors (both 500&750) come in different KV versions. As when you changed Rover 500w to 750w they were different KV (The 750 was faster winded). So not all 750's are faster than 500's.

[@rickyn1135]

I’m trying to decide if my next bike will be a Himiway step thru or a Biktix. Since you’ve rode both,what are your thoughts? Himi seems so great,to me at the moment. I currently ride a Rad Cargo 2019.

[@DJAntihero]

The Biktrix bikes were zippy from my experience. Himi is great too, try and catch a test ride first if you can.

[@jamesdumas6602]

You want to put the heat on the metal around the screw or bolt. Not on the screw or bolt. The heat expands the metal. You want the outside metal to expand away from the inside metal. The heat excites the molecules expanding them.

[@rickyn1135]

All I can think is in a past Himi Vs. RAD the battery ah was 17.5 Vs 14? That would make a big difference. I’ll look and see if you did a Himi Vs. RAD mileage test. Great stuff My man. Good stuff. 👏🏼👏🏼

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Actually the controller max amps is the thing that determines power output of the motor. The ah is the amount of energy stored in the battery which relates to how far you can ride. If you change the controller to a higher amperage unit that will provide more power to the motor to a point. After that point you stand a chance of destroying the motor.

[@ridingradsslingingstrats2846]

I surprised you got it apart .the Holidays looks a bit more solid for sure .i defanitly like the fact that it is sealed so tight to keep the moisture out . hope you get it back together easier then you got it out and sealed back up . you got it though ill keep posted to see that .Other then that I got nothing. Keep the vids coming .i am regretting not getting the Hemingway though .your review video came out literally the next day after I had my Rad set up for delivery .lol.

[@CitizenCycle925]

I guess you'll just have to get a second bike...

[@ridingradsslingingstrats2846]

@@CitizenCycle925 lol .i have a friend that I've been talking to about all the new bike options and there is thanks to your videos and great knowledge . He's seriously considering buying the Hemingway bike. As it maybe the top value for the money atleast fora larger fat tire bike out of the box . he was also considering buying the Cyrusher bike also good value for the buck. Ad it's the cheapest full suspension fat tire E bike that I have seen with alot if different options there . So we'll see what he gets.

[@b-lopez394]

Thanks for your effort of showing us the inside of the more popular E-bike to buy for your buck near $1500. This made me decide which E-bike to buy (Radrover, Lectric or Himiway). I'm not an engineer or physicist but most people that know how a magnet work knows that the stronger the magnets or electromagnets when used in motors, the powerful the motor. I think part of the reason why Himiway motor has more torque is because it has larger metal around the permanent magnets. The magnetic field produced by the permanent magnets is more concentrated to the rotor to produce a stronger motor. It is possible also that Himiway used a stronger magnets or applying more amp to the motor during acceleration. Volt X Amp= Watts. You can change the value of V or A with the same result of wattage but it gives you different electrical load to the components. Since this two bike is using the same battery voltage, Himiway figured a way to build a stronger motor. Keep posting interesting stuff and be safe.

[@scottcaddell940]

Great video as usual! I’m in NC too, Huntersville. I recently purchased a Biktrix Ultra 1000. I’d be willing to meet if you wanted to ride and review it.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Hi Scott, enjoy that ultra 1000, I haven't had a chance to try one yet. Thanks for the review offer, maybe someday, but for now I have too many reviews to keep up with !!

[@boblane5169]

Thank you for doing this! Ever since you did the Rad motor upgrade I have been wondering about the Himiway. I have a Himi and have changed the freewheel to 11-34, and added a 52V 20Ah battery, but was not sure about the motor. Between the battery and the freewheel I have gained 2 to 3 mph. One more question, is there a 1000W motor that will fit the hub casing on a Himi or Rad or would this require a wheel change.......just wandering☺

[@sonnylee7249]

Where you find the 52v 20 ah? Link please?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Unfortunately I don't know of a larger motor that will fit in that casing.

[@sobebikes3225]

@@sonnylee7249 AliExpress. And it's all Plug and Play don't need to change anything....

[@jrambo7495]

I wish I knew wtf all this meant! I can't decide between the Himiway cruiser or the XP 2.0. I wish I had the correct knowledge to make a truly informed decision.

[@michaelrollo2264]

White lithium is on planetarygears correct can you show proper greasing

[@scotnoel9075]

How about the weight of both? Himi heavier?

[@Alex-qg6po]

4:13

[@jasonfast3072]

I saw the Himiway motor brand and number on a forum but can't find it again:(

[@daveruttman6501]

Well done. Thank you. I think this video is gonna get a lot of views. Would you crack the Bafang Mid Drive 750W open? They recommend Mobil 1 RED synthetic grease after breaking in.

[@PhotoStrider]

Thanks for your comment, Could you clarify who’s recommending to use Mobile 1 Red grease ? And is it recommended to get rid of the original grease ? Once again, thanks for your comment 👍👏😃🇨🇦

[@CitizenCycle925]

I've actually never seen the inside of a mid-drive motor. something I may have to research now. Don't know how complicated those are.

[@gailjohnson6670]

Thank you for the video. Have a blessed day.

[@hawk8743]

Will the bafang after market motor fit in the Himiway casing?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Nope

[@Onigiri_24]

off topic.. how do you transport your bikes, or do just ride around your home? Any recs on good bike transportation systems to carry these heavy bikes?

[@CitizenCycle925]

I just haul them in the back of my truck. Someday I will look into a bike racks that can support these bikes though. Only when I know of is by Hollywood racks never seen or tried it though.

[@Onigiri_24]

@@CitizenCycle925 cool!! Thanks for the reply.

[@Powerstroke98]

@@CitizenCycle925 I have the Hollywood SE Sport 'dual' e-bike carrier, and it's pretty stout, compared to some others I've seen. I got mine through 'e-trailer.com' and it has well over 900 reviews, and all are a 5 out of 5, so people are pretty happy with it. There are some others that look pretty good as well (albeit, more $$) also sold on e-trailers website, but you have to look for the heavy duty variety, as they have a ton of regular bike carriers as well. I originally thought I would get one of the other carriers (willing to spend more) but heard a couple of times where the bike popped out of the carrier when hitting a bump, so that had me change to the Hollywood carrier and it's great reviews.

[@alvinadcock5346]

Knowing the weight would help with knowing the better winding.

[@eastky1901]

I'm really glad you did this. I almost bought the rad 5. Sheeeew, the motors are more diffrent than they seem. I'm definitely going to try to order the himiway cruiser. It's got bigger motor, bigger battery, lighter frame, more millage, more everything and it's less expensive. Can anyone point me to a place that has himiways for sale in the USA?. In stock hopefully. Thank you for doing the vid .

[@Hoggdoc1946]

They are sold only at Himiway's website.

[@bobbarnes6194]

Thank you!! Great video..

[@jacksonenviro]

Sprocket sizes seem different? How many teeth on each?

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Sprocket size would not affect the output of the motor. The internal gearing of the motor could increase or decrease the torque numbers.

[@AccordionSqueezer]

Is that the stock Radrover motor or the upgraded one? Seeing the granny gear, I would guess the stock one.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Stock

[@RLowVaughn1]

It looks to me that the Himiway motor's manufacturer simply took Bafang's 500w motor design and beefed it up slightly with larger magnets to handle more current a little better. Which also would explain the better than stock RR performance for Himiway but not quite the performance a Rad gets with a 750w.

[@specialist-in-tech]

'larger' magnets dont do squat and that is not even the case with Himiway. the OEM needed to select stronger permanent magnets using the RIGHT material. But they wont bc they are selling this garbage too cheaply, and dont really care whether you get a true '750 watt' motor or not.

[@dorisberard3249]

I finally received my himiway bike today so happy.

[@davidspradley9182]

Okay, you've had it for a couple of years. It'd be really nice for you to write a description of what you think about it now. Just start a new comment so it could be found easily. I just ordered the Himiway Zebra yesterday. I started studying/learning about e-bikes in 2015. Technology is changing so fast, and the prices seem to be dropping.

[@big.lee007]

Can the Himiway controller be upgraded?

[@CitizenCycle925]

I'm sure it could be if you know what you're doing, I don't know of any simple plug and play options though

[@Hoggdoc1946]

@@CitizenCycle925 I believe Bolton Ebikes is working on an upgrade for the Himiway bikes.

[@BillBadMule123]

Thank You for your Video's I Love your posts .

[@AccordionSqueezer]

What do the connectors look like? Are they identical, or different?

[@CitizenCycle925]

The motor plugs are different. Definitely not interchangeable

[@johngoodwyn8246]

From my view the Himi looks to be a larger higher quality unit !

[@CitizenCycle925]

The himiway motor was slightly larger, it didn't look as big as the aftermarket 750 bafang though

[@Hoggdoc1946]

@@CitizenCycle925 I would be interested in knowing the difference in the weight of the two motors. The heavier would no doubt have more copper windings.

[@ronaldramsey7774]

Great public service video!

[@kajolhossain6679]

Which ebike is faster in terms of hill climbing ?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Himiway all day

[@kajolhossain6679]

Thanks for replying and your time. I live in the UK so not much of choice interms of Motor watt. Which Himiway is going to be the best

[@Altema22]

@@CitizenCycle925 - The Himiway climbs better than the beast?

[@ltcajh]

Nylon gears?!

[@rickyn1135]

Do they weigh similar

[@CitizenCycle925]

They felt very similar, I think I need to invest in a small scale for weighing parts like this, can't tell you how many times I've needed one.

[@Maschmo]

03:00 sam shit happend to me too. works fine with 5 screws tho

[@nathangreen3110]

Great info

[@stevejennings9745]

I’m interested in seeing how to change the gear cassette out to an 11-34, not sure how to get the old cassette past the motor connector on the himiway.

[@jeffberg4372]

Just remove the old freewheel and throw it away. They're cheap and you'll never use it again once you make the upgrade and it's a great upgrade to make. Just search removing a freewheel without a tool. There are many videos on KZbin.

[@CitizenCycle925]

From the videos I watched it seemed like the issue was getting the freewheel removal tool over the plug. I believe Bolton eBikes sells a free wheel removal tool that fits over the plug check it out.

[@jeffberg4372]

@@CitizenCycle925 Yes, Bolton actually manufactures that tool and sells it for $10. It wasn't made when I replaced my freewheel, however the freewheel is only $30 and I couldn't see any use for the old one, so removing it without a tool, which makes it unusable seemed like a good option.

[@elevenAD]

great video!

[@rickyn1135]

Metal density,quality of gears I would think are all factors.,too.

[@specialist-in-tech]

Nope. Windings, magnet types, and Mosfets. Both brands use VERY WEAK magnets. You cant get quality motors on these ebikes at this price point. Period. they are chinesium. Americans will never ever learn and always go for lowest price on everything, including ebikes. Chinese love gullible American ebike buyers.

[@grouchydude3448]

Kyle's take on a similar take: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXybaHR_nr15prs

[@15205golfer]

Controller and battery amp hours on himiway give it more range and power. I thought you were going to listen to the viewers that said the fasteners are JIS , not phillipshead.

[@CitizenCycle925]

I guess I may need to invest in some JIS tools... I tried about five different bits before I found one that fit pretty well.

[@khronin]

They should have never claimed 750 as the motor watts--misleading.I have a true 750 bafang on my new CSC and it cruises on flat with pedal assist 3 at about 15 mph at 0 to 200 watts.Going up hill I have seen it flash 1400 watts--but it will keep up 1200 to 1300 watts and a 15 mph top speed up a decently sized hill throttle only.I tested it today and usee the throtle up 2 big long hills--then my steep driveway and motor was barely lukewarm.I plan on keeping my PAS on 3 and gears on 4 to 5.When I do this I am at almost 50 miles with half a bar and the peddling I am doing is what i would describe as light.BTW even doing that i was sore the first 2 days so you are getting good exercise and cardio with these.PAS of onky 3 can get me up those hills also at 15 plus which is brisk and it uses way less power--about 500 to 600 watts and me barely peddling as opposed to 1200 watts on throttle only to keep up the same speed--so even just barely peddling helps these motors a lot.I did 25 miles on PAS 3 and it did not even use half a bar--and that was with a mile offroad trail and 2 big hills--and yes I peddled most 85% plus of the time--but it was a very light to mild peddle--just enough for cardio--but doing that you can kep up a 15 to18 mph pace with no problem--which is actually very brisk--especially on offroad trail where i actually had to tone it down a bit.

[@Kwisatzhaderachgiveadogabone]

It’s the controllers that make the difference.

[@CitizenCycle925]

motors definitely make a difference too though

[@gordjohnson70]

Why not give the weights of each ? More windings = more copper wire = more weight = more power. That's just basic common sense.

[@CitizenCycle925]

I didn't have a scale that could give me an accurate weight. They felt roughly the same but I do have a scale on order so I can weigh things like this in the future

[@stanleywilson2844]

Rad looks lile a 500 not 750

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Probably 750 watts peak. If the controll is limited to 16.5 amps the total power to the motor on the RAD is only 792 watts.

[@Filzkiiz]

YesSiRr!! Maan...iM 7hrs late!! Haha!! So you got it opened ayy.. lol! Good job brOthA!! Thankz for going de eXtRa mile jst for your viewers!! It goes a long way Mate!! & Yes..like you, I tOO have little knowledge about thouz thingz!? Hehe!! But thankz again for the video review...if anything it was entertaining!! LoL!! YesSiRr!!

[@timdeleij7105]

Don't forget rad rover will screw Canadians by forcing a lesser motor for higher price.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

RAD is following Canadian (and Euro Laws) in order to be able to sell bikes in that country

[@michaelbedard7859]

Mad man messing $$$$$ becareful

[@ohiotalonss9098]

You kidding? Look at the BLING logging chain he wears around his neck! Money is no issue, he's an up and coming rapper.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@ohiotalonss9098 hahaha love my silver chains!!

[@tomthomason6651]

Himiway is owned by the Chinese government. Addmotor american made.

[@garydean1983]

I have just one thing to say ... Ecells !

[@CitizenCycle925]

Everyone likes to suggest that bike. They aren't the only show in town though.

[@holeshothunter5544]

If you don't know what you're talking about, DON'T TALK.