A Promo For A Cancelled Gimmick Which Would Have Involved Kenzo Suzuki Portraying Japanese Emperor Hirohito Who Would Be Coming To Get Vengeance On The Americans
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@Riptide274 жыл бұрын
So Kenzo was originally a Japanese WWII Emperor and Heidenreich was an unfrozen nazi. How much do you wanna bet if they had gone through with these, Santino would have been named something like Benny Mussolini and they would’ve all joined a faction called “The Axis”?
@abelbavdaz68234 жыл бұрын
Vince actually immediately disagreed the unfrozen nazi gimmick that would be portrayed by Heidenreich and Heyman as a Jewish compared to Kenzo's cancelled gimmick (Hirohito) that was agreed then cancelled later without making him debut as Hirohito.
@YousefTube3 жыл бұрын
@@abelbavdaz6823 speaking of which if you listen to the instrumental version of Heidenreich theme it's sounds like a military beat to it looks like they originally gave the idea of the Unfrozen Nazi to Jim Johnston make a track on it and by the time they drop the idea they end up use it on Heidenreich anyway.
@abelbavdaz68233 жыл бұрын
@@YousefTube cool fact I didn't know
@MBM11177272 жыл бұрын
Actually in OVW Santino had a Russian shoot fighter gimmick as Boris Alexiev believe it or not lol
@DangerSideburns2 жыл бұрын
It's dimes, brother
@SpeedyDePalma4 жыл бұрын
Because somebody in creative thought this was such good shit.
@paulsteel9127 Жыл бұрын
No way these WW2 gimmicks would get green-lit even in 2004.
@stingersplash3 жыл бұрын
Is it weird that I always remembered this despite only airing once? I just love one offs that just go nowhere like Hade Vansen on Smackdown. How about Mr Benjamin?
@somnetwerk1643 жыл бұрын
Hade vansen was supposed to feed with taker
@rickwilliams45732 жыл бұрын
I remember Hade Vansen but don't remember this one at all
@InternetSlumlord4 жыл бұрын
2020 and Vince still hasn't gotten over WWII
@TimmyTickle3 жыл бұрын
This actually aired around 2004. Your point still stands
@thehighground_2 жыл бұрын
Here it is 2022 and Vince has renamed Walter after a Nazi soldier.
@TheLarryburns842 жыл бұрын
@@thehighground_ yep, a U-boat captain in WWII- Gunther Stark was his name for those who don't know
@prize5ighter2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLarryburns84 Thanks for letting me know. Glad, that WWE is reverting back him back to his previous and more menacing name (thanks to his aura and the work he has done so far), Walter.
@albalog24492 жыл бұрын
WWE would've probably got banned in China if they went with this gimmick. Looking at old forums, this seemed to have aired sometime in April 2004, but I can't find the exact episode. Apparently, they planned to have him feud with Chris Benoit (when he was champion) on Raw. I wasn't even watching WWE in this era, but it sounds like a very bad idea even on paper.
@Sonicfanwerehog2 жыл бұрын
And Then they decided to go with Muhammad Hassan Angle
@l.arandom1631 Жыл бұрын
Japan not China lol
@albalog2449 Жыл бұрын
@@l.arandom1631 I meant China because they get offended by Japanese WW2 stuff.
@Pikaling34088 ай бұрын
WWE might be banned in China quite soon I heard reports suggesting that a faction will be formed involving Asuka, Iyo and Kairi. Asuka is also known as Empress of Tomorrow and this could be perceived by China as such gimmick and therefore may ban WWE entirely or censor the faction and it's members out.
@lonewalker97305 ай бұрын
This will be Okada's gimmick if he signs with WWE:
@conspo55334 жыл бұрын
I don’t know about you but to me this highly disturbs me, imagine if WWE actually did this gimmick with kenzo, it would’ve given them a bad rep considering they based this gimmick off a real tragedy
@DasNordlicht914 жыл бұрын
And yet, like about a year later, WWE went ahead with an angle where Muhammad Hassan had masked “terrorists” attack the Undertaker, on the same day as the London bombings.
@conspo55334 жыл бұрын
Marc Quill but it wasn’t on purpose
@djcarameldeviljaycry48314 жыл бұрын
Yea that episode was taped
@rescuerex70313 жыл бұрын
@@conspo5533 Them turning "Arab-American" (he was actually Italian) heel by making him a terrorist is totally in good taste
@ReinEngel4 ай бұрын
We thought this was an ad for Time Life videos about WW2... then someone pointed out it was the same announcer that did all of WWE's stuff.
@mikeawesome92123 жыл бұрын
Controversial stuff right there.
@Luispbringstheheat5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what they would've done with this gimmick even though it wouldn't have made sense since he's portraying a real person who's dead
@YousefTube5 жыл бұрын
It's not the dead person he portray listen to the guy again he says Two generations later a new leader has emerged meaning a guy from the Hirohito family is taking leadership where his grandfather was that's why you mark the return of Hirohito
@YousefTube5 жыл бұрын
And as far as what with they've done with the gimmick simple answer a match with Sgt Slaughter on RAW and Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 21 n maybe he will be in the spot of Muhammad Hassan but lot early so eventually Undertaker is his last raid maybe also Great American Bash PPV and it's all make since Kenzo Suzuki only been in WWE for like a year n they never done anything with him except winning the tag title but who knows how they would push his original plan.
@Luispbringstheheat5 жыл бұрын
@@YousefTube from what I heard this gimmick was cancelled for that reason which was what I said and 2. That wouldn't gotten him nowhere feuding with old timers who would probably just squash him and probably make a jobber out of him just to get their last triumphant curtain call cuz knowing this company that def would've been the likeliest of possibilities
@jlonmims32322 жыл бұрын
I heard that he would have been a top contender for the world championship and he would have a feud with Benoit for the championship
@prestige515 Жыл бұрын
@@Luispbringstheheat the gimmick was thrown out cause they found out ppl in Japan thought of Hirohito as a Hitler type, and they did not want to deal with that.
@AcemonX5 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered about this promo at that time and I felt that it would involve Kenzo Suzuki. I felt like the promo was "graphical" at the end of it and it would end up a flop until months later new promo spots for Suzuki were shown on TV.
@jordandill78632 жыл бұрын
please tell me this vignette never made it to TV?
@AcemonX2 жыл бұрын
@@jordandill7863 It did
@ThunderTHR2 жыл бұрын
And now years later we have WALTER re-branded as "Gunther Stark". Fuck me, this company hasn't learned a damn thing, have they? Edit: Apparently he's just GUNTHER, they must've come to their senses that the latter bit was a bad idea.
@shadyaahla5stax5862 ай бұрын
This would've failed on the grounds that it was dumb.
@ITSHIM12947 ай бұрын
In a parallel universe Hirohito and Muhammad Hassan would have created the “Pact of Steel” faction and took over WWE
@wcw100093 жыл бұрын
このギミックはやりすぎ。 この頃はまだ日本人レスラーへの見方が偏ってたんだろうね。
@BZUscuro20282 жыл бұрын
Well this was extremely racist
@Sonicfanwerehog2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if they had this with Hassan on Raw, and Kenzo (as Hirohito) on SmackDown they build up and did a feud in Survivor Series, I wonder if they would make it out of the level
@prowrestlingnostalgic20013 жыл бұрын
This is disturbing...A WWII genocide as a wrestling gimmick, with all and his respective blood in his name for a promo, just disgusting.
@KoraidonTheSandwichEater3 жыл бұрын
Scary/scary
@albalog24492 жыл бұрын
WWE would've probably got banned in China if they went with this gimmick.
@morbo87772 ай бұрын
It had been more than 22.3 years since the incident so officially fair game to make a gimmick off.
@CheapHeatProductionsPodcast3 жыл бұрын
This was the brainchild of wwe writer Dan Madigan who wrote see no evil Kane’s Movie . Dans appearances on my podcast discuss this and other controversial angles .
@iyop0123 жыл бұрын
whats funny after that is that usually kenzo after he started on smackdown became someone who always says that he loves america lol how did they flip the scenario i think they just gave up on the hiro idea because of vince
@CheapHeatProductionsPodcast3 жыл бұрын
@@iyop012 if you look at my channel and click Dan Madigan part 2 he’s the guy who wrote this he goes into details of controversial angles he has done in the business
@bluebaron68589 ай бұрын
Idk but this terrifies me
@morbo87772 ай бұрын
I think it would have been an interesting gimmick. He'd be a heel but with a real justifiable hatred for America and making fans uncomfortable because he had a point as its a bit of a moral grey area whether or not the bomb was justified. Definitely would make for a more complex and interesting heel.
@brianwalters78552 жыл бұрын
Yeah...I'm pretty sure this guy would've gotten assassinated if they went with this.
@ECW53202 жыл бұрын
or Tajiri when they wanted him to do a Yakuza gimmick.
@RyboltTech2 жыл бұрын
Send Hirohito
@keangutierrez36552 ай бұрын
Now do Gunther
@Rockhound61652 жыл бұрын
THIS was deemed inappropriate and yet Mexicans on lawn mowers, a Mexican turning his back on his culture, and a black man carrying a spear, skin shield, and headdress, and a savage Samoan was A-OK(I'd have mentioned Kamala but James Harris himself came up with that gimmick).
@cqmorrell Жыл бұрын
To be fair, Umaga was just a ramped up take on the Wild Samoans, his legit family.
@philipdefibaugh56832 жыл бұрын
They could have used Chuck Palumbo as Mussolini and John Hydenreich as Adolf Hitler and formed the "Axis of Evil".
@robjackson40503 жыл бұрын
while i think this was a bad idea i'd be interested to see where it went and it would get me to tune in every week just to see this gimmick and hasn't wwe honestly done worse things and apparently the issue was he was gonna be a heel so i don't know if this would work as a face
@dylanthebiguy11 ай бұрын
Ik that this will never happen again but im curious Aside from america AND japan being offended what would happen if wwe went thru with it? Like ALLLLLLLLLLLL the way?
@fuckiopussigetti45311 ай бұрын
it's hard to say. aside from jobbing to patriot type gimmicks, another comment here threw out Heidenreich and Santino in a Mussolini gimmick in a stable with him called "The Axis" probably would've did the same there but with more comedy
@Arathor82 Жыл бұрын
Who let Russo out of his cage !?
@TheLarryburns84 Жыл бұрын
he was in TNA during this era, this feels to me like a creation by the *other* Vince
@fuckiopussigetti45311 ай бұрын
@@TheLarryburns84 Someone found the writer of this gimmick. They also said that they wrote the Heidenreich gimmick that shook Vin Mac himself
@KoraidonTheSandwichEater3 жыл бұрын
Really?
@TheBlindFighter4 жыл бұрын
They Should Give This To Shinsuke Nakamara
@knowyourroleboulevard71194 жыл бұрын
The Blind Fighter 6953 he's not intimidating enough and too vanilla.
@scottishdanny24323 жыл бұрын
@@knowyourroleboulevard7119 Exactly. Also, too effeminate as well.
@knowyourroleboulevard71193 жыл бұрын
@Last Drop Falls your comments make no sense whatsoever.
@knowyourroleboulevard71193 жыл бұрын
@Last Drop Falls don't accuse me of anything you know nothing about.
@rescuerex70313 жыл бұрын
@@knowyourroleboulevard7119 He could easily kill you, he's done MMA, and Japanese Pro Wrestling is way more physical
@drd99183 жыл бұрын
Back when wwf bad balls
@rae-everything2 жыл бұрын
They cancelled the gimmick.
@TheMoranVV2 жыл бұрын
he would be a great manager for Gunther Stark
@TheCuadman3 жыл бұрын
this would have got over
@DignidadBoy3 жыл бұрын
Mortal Kombat gimmick
@TheLarryburns842 жыл бұрын
no? Hirohito was the Japanese emperor from around 1926 to 89-ish. totally real person
@DignidadBoy2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLarryburns84 mortal kombat
@cqmorrell Жыл бұрын
@@DignidadBoy You must have flunked history, huh.
@fuckiopussigetti45311 ай бұрын
yeah, this motherfucker should be doing tag combos with Hsu Hao