Historian Reacts - Battle of Bosworth 1485 by Kings and Generals

[@KingsandGenerals]

7:58 is where I am the crazy guy with the conspiracy whiteboard

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

So glad you included that family tree. Great work as always! Hopefully we send some new viewers your way.

[@KingsandGenerals]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Appreciate seeing our videos through your eyes - you add valuable details to the story.

[@catherinewilkins2760]

Have to comment on site of battle, the Battlefield Trust decided where they believed it was. They upset the local farmer on whose land it was on, so some years later he got Time Team in who found evidence of the Battle. Also the locals were of a different opinion to Battlefield trust and had been visiting the true site for generations. So pleased that all the information came together in my lifetime.

[@HA1LILPALAZZO]

yeah true that :-/ I remember going to where they said it was originally and felt "yeah this is wrong" that was 29 years ago lol

[@jilldesruisseau]

Huge Time Team fan, love that episode!

[@garykeen1]

love this channel, not long discovered it and now can't get enough! so knowledgeable the content is great WW2 stuff is awesome 👌🏻

[@catherinewilkins2760]

The battlefield is owned by the in-law 's of chap in next village to me. Recognised his accent, from Leicestershire. Elizabeth, Edward's wife, also from Leicestershire, lived in Groby (pronounced G-ruby) the 9 day Queen Jane Grey also from Leicestershire, Bradgate, now a public park. Thankfully my family kept their head down and went about their own business. Ancestry suggests we came from Coleorton, West of Loughborough, in Leicestershire. Drowned in vat of Madeira, Portuguese fortified wine, still drank today. Duke of Clarence being the name of one variety. (Got a bottle, is very nice)

[@richeybaumann1755]

21:24 If you notice Thomas Stanely (Lord Derby), his portrait is half gray and half yellow, indicating that he's commited to the fight but is equally likely to join either side. I thought it was a cool bit of artistic symbolism. Also notice that Elizabeth, Richard's niece, is fully on the side of the Tudors by this point.

[@jamesplatt3101]

Edward IV won a battle in my home county of Rutland called the Battle of Losecoat Field! And when you come from somewhere as small as Rutland it can be hard to find much on our role in these historical conflicts

[@ueieoz7975]

If I may, the claim according to which the battle of Towton is the deadliest battle ever fought on English soil comes from a newsletter dated 4 April 1461, which talks about 28,000 deaths. This is of course immensely exaggerated. It would even make it the deadliest day in English military History before the first day of the Somme... Recent archaeological studies on the battle of Towton divide the losses by ten.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Granted I'm no expert, but from all I've read from the experts I'd put my money on a number of deaths combined of around 10,000.

[@ueieoz7975]

@@VloggingThroughHistory I think that it comes from another contemporary estimate, the Annales rerum anglicarum, that historians find more believable than the extreme 28,000 deaths, but still likely exaggerated.

[@theAverageJoe25]

Honestly I think the fact that they found King Richard III under a parking lot kinda hilarious

[@adamrousek2200]

I would love to see a reaction to the remaining episodes of The Napoleonic Wars by Epic History TV, including the Napoleon's Marshals series. Chris only watched the first half and left us hanging. Attempt #9

[@vascocorreia3128]

You are doing the lords work

[@adamrousek2200]

@@vascocorreia3128 “We can’t expect god to do all the work.”

[@krinkdink7904]

I live just down the road from Bosworth, visited a couple of times when i was at school but more recently i took my kids there when they had a reinactment day, it was a great day out, medieval buffet which was very large and lots of things for the kids to do.

[@dennypetrosian8589]

It took some time for me to digest everything about the War of the Roses. Your videos are certainly helping as usual, Chris. Thank you. Too many Henrys and Edwards to keep track of 😅

[@isaacbobjork7053]

I work at a local battlefield museum at the Baggenstäket east of Stockholm (Battle of Stäket 1719), which is located like almost a mile from the actual main battlefield. It is only placed that far away for practical reasons since you are not allowed to build on those grounds, but you can see parts of the area where parts of the battle took place, and the narrow strait/canal where the Swedish sunk ships to stop the Russians from entering, from the big windows in the museum itself. But there is no arguing that the battlefield is instead licated where the museum is, like it seems to be in the case of Bosworth.

[@IowanMatthew683]

Speaking of Wars of the Roses, you should check out TED-Ed's "The Wars that Inspired Game of Thrones," which does a good overview of the Wars of the Roses and the parallels to Game of Throne characters. In fact, you should check out most of TED-Ed's historical videos, especially the ones about the Byzantine epic, the Alexiad ("The princess who rewrote history") and Leopold II and the Congo Free State in the late 19th century ("History's deadliest king").

[@TheDneaves]

I looked to see if he did a reaction video of that

[@matthewnield3085]

There's a really good doc called 'new evidence' about Richard III and if he would've been able to be an effective time battle field commander and knight (given his scoliosis) and if so, how would he have done it. It's fascinating and gives a great insight into what he would've had to put himself through to carry out the role of King at the time

[@savagedarksider5934]

Great Video. I find the war of the roses A fascinating period.

[@SRosenberg203]

Extra History is starting a series on Eleanor of Aquitaine, you should definitely react to that one at some point because she was awesome.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I saw that. Will definitely do that.

[@JCRoberts97]

From someone with family from Yorkshire and now live in Lancashire for a few generations now, I’m impartial but glad you did this reaction ⚪️🔴

[@joematthews4952]

Technically, many people don't know this but, the Lancastrians were actually based in Yorkshire and the Yorkists were based down south. The whole Yorkshire/Lancashire thing is nonsense.

[@JCRoberts97]

@@joematthews4952 makes sense, when I was in army college the Duke of Lanc’s regiment I was in hated the Yorkshire regiment 🤣

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

well, not strictly nonsense. It's about the titles of the heads of those families not the location of the support they had. Edward IV's father was Duke of York and Henry VI's grandfather had been Duke of Lancaster.

[@steveclarke6257]

The whole of the period is an interest of mine, so how different comentators deal with the history is interesting, especially the politics is often far to tangled to be easily decyphered. I was supposed to go over to Wakefield to look at Castle Sandal and the site of the battle their in 1460 this weekend but we had to unfortunately cancel. I have my own theory on the orientation of the armies at Wakefield, this opinion on the battle which differs quite a lot from published history

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Wakefield is definitely a place I want to go. Especially since that's where my ancestor Clifford killed the Earl of Rutland.

[@steveclarke6257]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Chris its that death of Rutland on the bridge is one of the two facts that leads me to believe that the traditional battle alignment (Lancastrian's North and Duke of York in the South) is incorrect

[@Conjuringvariety]

Love the vids👍

[@Britishgamer26]

your channel is a really intresting one in a good way

[@hannibalandgreece]

one of my favorite channels being vlogged on by one of my favorite people,😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍, surprised you started with bosworth and not towton, though.

[@chrislufc]

Having grown up playing amid the ruins of Sandal Castle, I would love to see your reaction to videos about The Battle of Wakefield - 30 Dec 1460. I was born in Wakefield, West Yorkshire and lived in Sandal as a boy. It was always an huge adventure when walking out of my house directly onto a Wars of the Roses battlefield. Here, Richard Plantagenet, Duke of York (father of Richard III) was killed.

[@jkh2180]

So Stanley was the really smart one here. Just waited to see who got the upper hand and then helped them win 😂

[@jordonhancock05]

That man literally changed english history.

[@bensonfang1868]

21:37 it was lord strange, who was Thomas Stanley’s son from his first marriage before Margaret Beaufort

[@tomoe3399]

the subtle brag about ur ancestor had me going man

[@jordonhancock05]

I am doing some research on a knight named John Savage,I find him fascinating. He was the Nephew of Lord Thomas Stanley He was alleged to have personally slain the Duke of Norfolk,John Howard,a close ally of Richard III. His young brother,Thomas Savage,was the Archbishop of York during the reign of Henry VII.

[@ianbentley4663]

Timeline's series about the Wars of the Roses "Britain's Bloody Crown" is also well worth a look. It is hosted and narrated by historian Dan Jones, who brings a unique perspective to the principal people and events of this turbulent time.

[@GenX1964]

Interesting topic to me especially because War(s) of The Roses is the original Fourth Turning in the book by Strauss and Howe The Fourth Turning which I just recently read.

[@neil4692]

Been reading books from Edward the Third to Wars of the Roses for the past months and man it has been wild. Not knowing the specifics was great so when for example York just died like that I was pretty much like 'bruh wtf are you doing' or how in Dan Jones books he mentions about kill squads from Warwick specifically going after captains and the nobility which is wild for the time since you usually just capture them in that time but here all bets were off.

[@SylviusTheMad]

The Battle of Bosworth is the setting of the first episode of Blackadder, if I'm not mistaken.

[@drs-xj3pb]

You are not mistaken, although somehow Edward IV's younger son (Brian Blessed) has two adult sons of his own.

[@ericfarmer3360]

The story of the House of Tudor always struck me as, in a way, fulfilling the prophecy of the red and white dragons in the Historia Brittonum and the Historia Regum Britanniae. King Henry VII, of the Welsh House of Tudor, symbolized by the red rose/dragon, defeated King Richard III, of the English House of York, symbolized by the white rose/dragon.

[@britishginge4474]

Cool video love this part of our history

[@MichaelBOverthinking]

During the charge of Richard III, Henry Tudor’s standard bearer was killed. The man’s name was Brandon. Who’s son is Charles Brandon, (played by Henry Cavill in “The Tudors”).

[@richeybaumann1755]

K&G has a full-length War of the Roses episode. It's really long and includes this entire episode, along with a part about Richard II and Henry IV and one about Henry VI and Edward IV. I think you'd have a lot to add to it.

[@waffleboi5260]

The video game about The War of the Roses was one of my favorite growing up. I was sad to learn the actual war had way fewer trading cards though.

[@Yora21]

"...and that all who go to don armor tomorrow remember ... to go before they don armor tomorrow."

[@isaacbobjork7053]

In Swedish The Wars of the Roses is called Rosornas Krig which is spelled and pronounced the same in both singular and plural. So for that reason I used to think it was just one war

[@ChuckG92]

Jasper was my ancestor. Amazing history

[@HA1LILPALAZZO]

it is recorded that Richard was on Albion hill but it was never clear where Henry's forces were. When Victorian historians looked at the battlfield they said Henry's forces were closer towards Shenton (today where Shenton railway station on the Battlefield line is) Time Team found the actual battlefield further to thee South (if you were to walk from Shenton station south along the old railway cutting there is now a board pointing you towards the battlefield that is cut by the Ashby Canal)

[@rayross997]

Please do some research into the Dieppe raid during WWll. It was not the great failure so many claim. Classified documents kept secret for many years reveal that it included important successes. British commandos were able to free over 80 French resistance fighters held by the gestapo, many German speaking spies from England were placed in critical areas, British commandos were able to capture a German radar station, a British engineer was able to examine and photograph it before the commandos blew it up. Much was learned during the raid about German radar and their defences. Many men sacrificed their lives in the raid and it is tragic that there is not more focus put on the successes gained because of their sacrifices. The Dieppe raid was not a total failure as many believe.

[@bertrandklermannb2k768]

I visited the "Château de Largoët" in Brittany where Henry Tudor was held captive.

[@zackattack366]

I just finished Conn Iggulden's Wars of the Roses book series and it was really good

[@TisTheDamnStickSeason]

First episode of the first season of Blackadder. That is all. Carry on.

[@Yora21]

"Oh my god, it's uncle Richard!"

[@nickshaffer9961]

I’m originally from York, PA. And they have a professional minor league baseball team that plays Lancaster every year, and they call it the War of the Roses. Most definitely bc of this history!!!

[@jamesplatt3101]

Just winced when the kings and generals guy said Derby incorrectly

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I almost said something about that. Even an American like me knows that's pronounced DARby

[@Surfermario]

Then why don't they spell it as Darby If DERby is the incorrect pronunciation?

[@jamesplatt3101]

@@Surfermario because that’s not how it’s spelt is it?

[@MalikF15]

Love your work. Please do a battle of poitier next

[@NoBandwidth-0]

Chris, if ever you're in South Carolina, try and visit the grave of Colonel Robert Shaw. I'd love to see about a video about him, especially from you. ^^

[@apm9151]

Even though King Richard III was an evil ugly deformed king… You need to give him credit for charging in to battle!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

He definitely was a fearless warrior in multiple battles, despite the fact that from all accounts he wasn't a big, strong guy.

[@masonstauffer5974]

There is actually evidence that Richard the 3rd was not actually ugly and that most of the rumors that he was ugly comes from Tuder propaganda and historians paid by the Tuders. Since Archeologists have found his skeleton there has been attempts to reconstruct his face from his skull and he actually looked quite handsome.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

@@masonstauffer5974 yeah he wasn't ugly. He did have scoliosis though.

[@apm9151]

@@VloggingThroughHistory also if I was a betting man… Richard totally killed Henry VI 😆

[@joematthews4952]

@@VloggingThroughHistory He did indeed have scoliosis, however they brought in a spinal doctor who said that, when fully clothed, you wouldn't have noticed anything e.g. He wouldn't have had the great hump people imaging when they think of Richard. He also didn't have a withered arm, although again, a doctor examining his skeleton said he had very femanine arms... Make of that what you will.

[@fotograf736]

Great video, and interesting concept! On topic, even though I'm a fan of Richard III, a capable military commander, I think he made several mistakes in Bosworth. He almost certainly looked at the numbers and underestimated his enemy. His defensive position on the hill makes great sense. First, I understand this animation is just a reconstruction, but it appears to be a very flimsy, almost haphazard battle order for the Yorkists. The forces should be more closely packed together. So this certainly leads me to think that the Lancastrian John of Oxford attacked before Richard III had completed deployment, which was very difficult to change with heavy armor once the battle had started. Second, he should have split up his cavalry and placed them in the flanks to prevent outflanking of infantry. Third, his duty as commander was to stick with his army, as chivalrous, courageous and magnificent his cavalry charge was, it appears reckless in retrospect. Of course there's debate as to whether Stanley had turned at this point, and whether the charge was a quick win move, or a desperate last attempt to save the day is not certain, it makes much more sense if it were a last ditch effort. Finally, in fairness, two betrayals(Stanley's and Percy's-even though the last one is debated whether it was treachery or incompetence) in one battle were one too many to rectify for any general. Rest in peace the last king of England to fall in battle. He received nine wounds to his head. Sorry for the long comment.

[@hydra5879]

fun fact richard the 3rd was found in a tescos car park

[@karolbartos8869]

Hey, great video as always! I would love to see a reaction to the recent video from HistoryMarche about battle of Klushino in 1610. Cheers.

[@connarkent282]

I still think its funny how Richard III body was found under a car park in Leicester. Also Owen Tudor was excuted in Hereford

[@michaelaburns734]

War of the Roses Boworth Hill Richard III falls and The Tudor Dynasty Begins with Henry.

[@georgie064]

You should react to kings and generals series on Alexander the Great. It's not over yet, the next episode should be out in about 2 weeks

[@David-fm6go]

In tonight's episode of old campaign trail, we will try to beat Henry Tudor as Richard III.:p

[@kathyastrom1315]

My favorite film depiction of this is in the 1993 Richard III adaptation starring Ian McKellan. It is set in what looks like an alternate 1930s Britain with Richard’s reign looking very Third Reichian. When he shouts, “A horse, a horse/My kingdom for a horse!” well, it’s for a very good reason that I won’t spoil here. The Woodviilles are all played by Americans such as Annette Bening and Robert Downey, Jr., emphasizing their outsider status.

[@savagedarksider5934]

Have you seen the tower of london movie ?

[@Yora21]

I like the one in Blackadder...

[@jackcatlow3716]

Also , to call Elizabeth York the heir is also problematic. Queens were pretty unprecedented in England , and men were always more favourable , even if they were younger or from another branch .

[@MavisMcKenzie-oi1tw]

Especially as it was under -R for reserved !

[@Shifty69569]

I know it’s a different time in life but being with family members is such a weird concept for me haha

[@mrbannon0]

A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse!

[@jackcatlow3716]

I think to say it’s as likely to be Margaret Beaufort and the Duke of Buckingham who killed the princess isn’t credible . Richard never blamed it on anyone else , and either after the surprising turn of Buckingham , he never blamed him, which he could have easily done after executing him . Margaret getting access isn’t impossible but very unlikely .

[@victorcharles27]

Eleanor of aquitaine next😁👍

[@CommonSwindler]

Or better still Henry II.

[@kingrichardiii6280]

genealogy fan here. how do you find ancestry documentation before the institution of many records we use for family history. like how did you find your ancestor that fought in the wars of the roses.

[@12345krillin]

Wait, this isn't the presidential election game!

[@Hannibalian]

I can respect Edward IV for marrying someone he's actually attracted to, much like Henry VIII, however he was supposed to marry Catherine because of her role.

[@yeslol9303]

I thought the duke of Clarence thing with the wine was a myth?

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

No way to know for sure except we know he was not beheaded. All the official record states is that he was privately executed in the Boyer tower.

[@catherinewilkins2760]

Ironically just stopped your video as Richard III just on TV news.

[@coxmosia1]

So was Richard the 3rd the last of the Plantagenets to be on the throne?

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Yes. The Tudor dynasty then begins with Henry VII. Of course every monarch is a descendant of the Plantagenets as Henry VII married Elizabeth of York, daughter of Edward IV.

[@user-he6gf4vz2q]

will you react to the rest of epic history's napoleonic wars or even belisarius

[@christianalbertjahns2577]

Would you give your reasoning to why Yorks had stronger claim than Lancasters? The Lancaster had held the throne for three generations with Henry 4th, 5th, and 6th so in ny opinion, the Lancaster had stronger claim than the York for that reason alone. Kinda curious with your reasoning. Thank you

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Senior line of descent from Edward III. Rightful heirs after Richard II.

[@johnhammonds5143]

Timeline has a video that makes an argument that Edward IV himself was illegitimate.

[@gabrielokon-rocha3477]

Enjoyed the video but would like you t get back into historia civillis because i really liked the series you started on his videos

[@dustn_bustn6885]

Hey Chris I would love to see you react to bazbattles upload on Pearl Harbor it’s amazing!

[@trentonebel9088]

Richard Neville Earl of Warwick, did he change sides more than once?

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

He started with the Yorkist side but switched to the Lancastrians later.

[@neilbuckley1613]

The man who changed sides most in the Wars of the Roses was Thomas Stanley, married to Henry Tudor's mother, Margaret Beaufort. He was rewarded after Bosworth with the title Earl of Derby, still held by the Stanley family in 2022. One of his descendants was Prime Minister in the mid 19th century and another 18thcentury onr started the famous horse race "The Derby".

[@joematthews4952]

@@neilbuckley1613 That is correct, Edward Smith-Stanley. He was a Conservative. He was an average PM with great sideburns, who I alway think looked like he could have been brothers with John Russell, another PM, but of the other party (Whig)

[@trooololol]

He changed sides because of Edward's marriage. The Earl had been in negotiations with the French King to find a wife for Edward and the fact that King Edward married for love and not for political gain showed that Edward was not an astute politician and thus the Earl decided he needed to right his wrong and help the Lancastrians

[@kevinpascual]

On April Fools, you should give some historical context to the video's sponsor.

[@jpmagnos]

For game of throne fans, a lot of the history is based on english history. A proof ti that is that westeros is a mirrored great britain map

[@sambentley5157]

Im from the land of the red rose!!oh lancy lancy lancashire!!! ❤️

[@phantomtitan9792]

Vary interesting

[@savagedarksider5934]

I personally think Richard III killrd the princes in the tower.

[@yvonnecornell4936]

No his did really good😊

[@walterreeves3679]

A DNA test isn't going to prove who did away with Princes one way or the other. Absent hard evidence, Occam's Razor still cuts towards Richard III.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Wasn't suggesting it would. I was talking about identifying the bones as belonging to the princes. Would rule out the theories that one or both survived.

[@walterreeves3679]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Ah! Sorry I misunderstood! That it certainly would do. Apologies.

[@MichaelBOverthinking]

Do you agree that this battle marked the end of the medieval era, and the start of the renaissance?

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

In England, yes. A lot of people point to the fall of Constantinople a few decades earlier.

[@ahmadfadel4689]

Can you react to history of ottoman empire knoweldgia please

[@itstuesdayinnit6739]

Please react to Early muslim Expansion by kings and general

[@itsstrevorr5800]

Go browns 🙌🙌

[@josejavierotazu4788]

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[@Galaick]

Love the content, but the scenes from Medieval 2 Total War are so cringey lmao

[@robertskurlock]

As a direct descendant of Henry VII through my 3rd great grandmother, the Tudor dynasty lives on through the 14th great grandson of Henry VII (I am a Lancastrian)

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I'm descended from Henry VII's son in law James IV but not through his marriage to Margaret Tudor, rather through a mistress.

[@abrahamlincoln937]

First

[@TheTayJay93]

Henry VII actually claims the throne by right of conquest, a viable reason to claim the throne under English law

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

He didn’t though. He had Parliament declare the start of his reign to the day before the battle.

[@partyof9418]

Second