Historian Reacts: El Alamein - Call of Duty: VANGUARD

[@historylegends]

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[@ibrahimadoumbia8495]

Tu pourrais mettre les sous titres en français svp

[@forkvlogs2784]

Correction, the battle of Alamein, was on Egypt, not on Lybia

[@ryanjackson4004]

He didn't even mention about the different optical sights on different guns that the guy picked up

[@zacamakapaka3989]

While it is true that the lee Enfield can hold 10 rounds they often only loaded 5. This is due to the nature of springs and the difficulty in replacing them. The use of the bolt is bad. Having shot one the best way is to use three fingers to roll the bolt back. Something that an Australian at al Alamein would have certainly known. The iron sight of the smle is chopped off at the top, something that is just wrong. Then tank battle at the pass was far more focused on the ability of the RAF than the tanks, something that is not shown. Wipe some Germans were issued with Italian rifles (mainly those serving in newer units) these are rare. The soldiers on the back of cruisers is odd, especially as they were only two or three to a tank, though it would be possible and would have likely been caused by a squad being separated and linking up with a tank platoon.

[@feuer83198]

Soldiers would only put 5 rounds In although they could take 10 rounds it would ruin the spring.

[@mufflersponge8969]

You should note, in that mission. The Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk It only holds 5 rounds and the rear sight it chopped in half, also the Australians never used the No.4 Enfield they used the Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk 3

[@Aureus_]

This always pissed me off

[@kurt9837]

Same

[@juniorpostmancoelophysis]

I believe the smile and the no.4 both held 10 rounds.

[@Aureus_]

@@juniorpostmancoelophysis yup they did

[@jacobhamblin4255]

The no.4 mk 1 should also have a closed rear sight

[@HistoryMonarch1999]

Now that you mention it, I don’t think we’ve ever fought the Italians in call of duty. It was always Germans or Japanese. Even Medal of Honor had us fight the Italians in airborne for example.

[@historylegends]

In Call of Duty 2: Big Red One. You land on Sicily and face Italians.

[@alessandromigliorini3435]

@@historylegends Correct

[@HistoryMonarch1999]

@@historylegends oh I was about to say but I thought I was wrong cause I haven’t played it for a long time and it was once.

[@kg7162]

And i think in call of duty 2 you have a dlc? Were you play in the Spanish Civil war has a Italian and nationalist Spanish

[@alessandromigliorini3435]

Mafia II First Mission

[@ReviveHF]

This game makes BFV and CODWW2 look like a masterpieces.

[@asscheeks3212]

tbh ww2’s campaign is at least fun and less pandering. it’s just super generic, but not mind numbingly boring. BFV campaign is SUPER boring and pandering... but compared to vanguard, holy crud, vanguard is sooo bad and that’s... saying something

[@shad0w_g4ming]

@@asscheeks3212 at least bfv multi-player is much better than ww2s

[@unowenwashere2782]

@@asscheeks3212 Last tiger isn't

[@shad0w_g4ming]

@@unowenwashere2782 honestly...

[@thedamddino4893]

@@unowenwashere2782 that was the only war story that wasn't woke af and actually told an interesting story. If the rest of the war stories were like that, then the campaign would've been much better.

[@spygineer1076]

the Germans used a wormhole to travel back in time and give themselves stg44s and volkssturmgehwer hoping to change the course of the war

[@deez7429]

This one paragraph contains a better movie plot than most ww2 movies

[@spygineer1076]

@@deez7429 on my way to hollywood and turn it into a real movie

[@basharhafizal-asad8853]

@@spygineer1076 can you help us in your movie pls? in the wormhole ship to syria some russian equipment so we can win the civil war in 2011

[@spygineer1076]

@@basharhafizal-asad8853 it'll be done lel

[@milanradimecky6001]

You have MG42 with cold war ammo box on 100 rounds. So you don't have MG42 on 7,92x57mm ammo but MG3 from 50/60s on 7,62x51mm NATO.

[@Apollo890]

There was a time when It seemed that the makers of the call of duty actually cared about the history they were portraying. Just watch games like Call of Duty Allied Offensive, Call of Duty Finest Hour, Call of Duty Big Red One, Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty 3 and Call of Duty World at War. All those games had good stories, were fun and were authentic and respectful to the history they portrayed. Vanguard does not give a toss.

[@Apollo890]

@@Berserker862 well they've offended every Historian, History Buff and old school Call of Duty Fan.

[@aidenhall8593]

Those games all had many historical inaccuracies, though still way less than Vanguard. I've played call of duty 2 way more times than the others so the ones I've noticed from it are: The use of PPS 43s in 1942 in Stalingrad, Use of Panzershrecks in 1942, Tanks in the desert campaign are only either Crusaders or Panzer 2s, the uniforms of both enemies and friendlies are often completely wrong in every campaign, and many deviations from actual historical events that the battles are based on. Almost all of these mistakes were likely consciously made for gameplay reasons, and considering that, I have to say that I don't think they really gave a shit back then either. The only thing I think those games did exceptionally better was that they crafted the atmosphere of an actual battlefield, with a much louder soundscape, more believable set pieces, and somewhat slower gameplay. You really did feel helpless in the deafening noise, slowly moving up against enemy forces, with small but very loud grenade or rocket blasts surrounding you. In comparison, the modern WW2 games are near silent when you're in combat, with only the wizzing of bullets and soft explosions going off every few seconds. The set pieces are also often completely ridiculous, and take you out of the experience while simultaneously not being impressive because they are still comparatively quiet. Overall, what these games are lacking is the feeling of combat, not historical realism. For instance, even though BF1 is horrifically historically inaccurate, it still manages to feel more authentic than Vanguard because it feels like you are actually in combat. In a way, feeling more like combat is almost more respectful to the veterans than strict historical accuracy.

[@Apollo890]

@@aidenhall8593 yes of course they had their inaccuracies but they still felt authentic to the spirit of those that fought in ww2. This does not.

[@aidenhall8593]

@@Apollo890 I agree totally patrick, that is exactly what I said. I hope you'll read the end if of what I said if you didn't already.

[@patriotenfield3276]

call of duty world at war is something you should play for increasing your historical sharpness. even done better job than chinese propaganda in accurate depiction of ww2 japanese militant mindset.

[@marcwittkowski5146]

Another inaccuracy: the Volkssturmgewehr was a semi-automatic weapon. It wasn't Volks-Sturmgewehr, but Volkssturm-Gewehr. It was the rifle of the Volkssturm militia. And it was semi-auto.

[@kevinbabu8919]

Yeah, and it was issued in early 1945. And also none of them ever had dumble drum mags !!!!!!

[@hussarzwei6223]

@@kevinbabu8919 not even the singleplayer is safe from cursed guns.

[@declangaming24]

True in multiplayer or zombies you can fix it by using the non existent fire selector to make it semi auto

[@whybother8400]

I'm Australian and this mission bewildered me for multiple reasons. It doesn't take that long to do basic research, Sledgehammer! The first thing I noticed was the No.4. The No.4 SMLE did not enter service until late 1942 - and even then it was not fully distributed until later in the war. It also has the rear sight chopped in half and holds only five rounds despite being a ten round magazine. The other thing is that the No.4 is in the hands of Australian troops. Outside of the VDC and other units like the Z Force - the No.4 did not see use by Australian Forces. This is because the Lithgow Small Arms Factory was not equipped to manufacture No.4s. Aussie Diggers were issued the No.1 Mk.III, most commonly being stamped as No.1 Mk.III* - an early World War I designation that means the rifle has been either modified from a pre-war rifle to Mk.III* specs or manufactured hence thereafter. Don't get confused by the asterisk it just means that the rifle has its volley sight and magazine cut-off removed as well as a few other minor changes. The Australian uniforms are really weird and kind of a strange mash-up of various pieces of kit. Its bizarre. For some reason one character is kitted out in American kit which looks to be made up of an M1936 belt with BAR pouches and Mk.2 Frag grenades. His clothes are also some strange amalgamation of parts. He's wearing an Australian Vietnam-era Aertex shirt and what looks to be Australian jungle pattern Aertex pants - both post war designs. He also has what looks to be US Army M-42 Service Shoes and USMC M1938 Dismounted Leggings - both strange pieces of kit for an Australian. He should be wearing an Australian-made British "Khaki Drill" shirt and shorts with long KD socks folded over the top of themselves just below the knee. Then he should be wearing a pair of Pattern 10085 red leather ankle boots, very characteristic of Australian troops, with short woollen puttees wrapped around his ankles. He should also be wearing a set of Pattern 37 webbing and his trusty Mk.II Steel Helmet. Its a very odd mix of kit to be wearing. Some other characters are also wearing really weird kit as well, like the woollen service dress pants with a jungle pattern shirt and beret. Ideally they would have their KDs on and be wearing either the Mk.II helmet or their characteristic slouch hat. Not berets. As you said the majority of anti-tank weapons were FlaK 88s. The use of the Panzerfaust was very strange as it didn't enter service until early 1943 - and yes, that fella shouting "bugger that RPG" should be saying "bugger that anti-tank rifle". That's what they were called. Majority of the sins in the game seem to be weapons were they shouldn't be. Another thing that stood out was the Owen Gun making an appearance in North Africa. The Owen didn't see service until 1943 and was designed for use in the jungle. Diggers in North Africa had Stens and Thompsons. All in all its a bizarre disjointed game.

[@bantabury]

No.4 is not an SMLE. The SMLE is the No.1 MkIII as it is the shortened version of the MLE and thus has shared parts. The No.4 doesn't share many parts at all with the SMLE or the MLE and was referred as the Rifle/Lee Enfield No.4 MkI.

[@83ATwo]

Fair enough

[@sturmtiger3802]

But the No 4 did hold 10 rounds but most soldiers of ww2 only loaded 5 rounds to not damage the spring

[@theaverageitaliandon998]

Also the fact there’s not a single Italian soldier when the Italians were a major component of the axis forces in the battle is ridiculous

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@sturmtiger3802they did that outside of combat, when fighting they loaded all 10 rounds

[@Persian-Immortal]

I am guessing all historians would have to smoke something really strong to recover from this game.

[@georgyzhukov6409]

i did

[@Tronathon242]

You cannot recover from this. The Bougainville and Stalingrad winter missions in particular had so many inaccuracies that it took me a lot of effort just to get through them.

[@smallebige3310]

If you show a gun nerd they will tell you what’s wrong with most of the guns example the mp-40 when you shoot all the rounds in the mag the bolt will go to the little hole there then you push it down

[@Persian-Immortal]

@@smallebige3310 Oh man! Then you all need to watch the Gamestop video. They have a expert from a British museum reviewing the guns on Vanguard. I thought he was going to have a heart attack!

[@smallebige3310]

@@Persian-Immortal I know I’m a fan of it

[@sarcastic_ocupie1669]

I wanted to make a note. In multiplayer the panzerfaust’s description says “A disposable launcher” but in the game you still reload it.

[@sugarflame1833]

Bruh, the only thing being disposed at this point is any Historical accuracy

[@FED0RA]

so that disproves the "it's the other reloadable version" theory

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@FED0RAwhat reloadable version? There was never a reloadable version of the Panzerfaust.

[@FED0RA]

@@ntfoperative9432 prototype that never made it

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@FED0RA huh, didn’t know that. At least it’s not what thought it was. That some idiots thought the panzerfaust and the panzershrek were the same thing

[@vicgalvalo8853]

Wrong, wrong, it's all wrong!!! From holographic sights on MP40s to MODERN MG3 ammo boxes on MG42s to weapons that were not even invented yet. I dont understand what they did with the series anymore. Compare BF3s rolling thunder mission some years ago to this today, that was at least a good shot at an armoured battle

[@aidenhall8593]

There are tons of inaccuracies in the older WW2 COD games too, though still less than vanguard. For instance in COD 2 there is: The use of PPS 43s in 1942 in Stalingrad, Use of Panzershrecks in 1942, Tanks in the desert campaign are only either Crusaders or Panzer 2s, the uniforms of both enemies and friendlies are often completely wrong in every campaign, and many deviations from actual historical events that the battles are based on. Almost all of these mistakes were likely consciously made for gameplay reasons, and considering that, I have to say that I don't think they really gave a shit back then either. The only thing I think those games did exceptionally better was that they crafted the atmosphere of an actual battlefield, with a much louder soundscape, more believable set pieces, and somewhat slower gameplay. You really did feel helpless in the deafening noise, slowly moving up against enemy forces, with small but very loud grenade or rocket blasts surrounding you. In comparison, the modern WW2 games are near silent when you're in combat, with only the wizzing of bullets and soft explosions going off every few seconds. The set pieces are also often completely ridiculous, and take you out of the experience while simultaneously not being impressive because they are still comparatively quiet. Overall, what these games are lacking is the feeling of combat, not historical realism. For instance, even though BF1 is horrifically historically inaccurate, it still manages to feel more authentic than Vanguard because it feels like you are actually in combat. In a way, feeling more like combat is almost more respectful to the veterans than strict historical accuracy.

[@imCurveee]

@@aidenhall8593 Having mostly historically accurate guns that are a year or so out of date is an easy mistake to look over and doesn't take you out of the gameplay for being so egregiously wrong. But having STG44s and MG42s littered around the Pacific islands being used by the Japanese (like in the other review video) is just lazy story telling. And the RPG line here is just laughable.

[@aidenhall8593]

@@imCurveee I agree, the out of place weapons are often laughable but I really don't think they are that much worse than using weapons that didn't even exist at the time of the campaign they are depicted in. Functionally, they are both weapons that were never at these battles and should be treated as such. The only reason you see one as worse than the other is because you know that the japanese never had these weapons, and perhaps did not know about the other things I mentioned in the old game. So the old game looked "right" to you, despite also being quite wrong.

[@TheSimpleMan454]

@@aidenhall8593 I always thought the PPS43 was a "pre-attachment" representation of the fact that often PPSh-41s were issued with boxes rather than drum mags, necessitating two distinct weapons. But the uniforms did stand out in many places, but it wasn't ever immersion breaking, just odd.

[@aidenhall8593]

@@TheSimpleMan454 The uniforms broke mine a few times but im a nerd so I constantly see photographs of the correct ones, so I can see how it doesn't bother other people. The PPS43 is actually a completely separate gun though that was only available in Leningrad in 1942 and it was hand made by people there so it is impossible for it to be at Stalingrad. Effectively this is as bad as the Stg44 being in North Africa, so if you criticize vanguard in that respect then you have to criticize the older games too.

[@thehistoadian]

At 0:15 the tank commander some reason appears to be wearing 1888 pattern Slade Wallace equipment, I have no idea why he would be wearing this. There is even a bullet visible on the side of his pouch which wouldn't fit any of the issued weapons during the 2nd World War. Great video as always!

[@ConkerVonZap]

Mate just rose from the place where he died fighting the Zulus to take control of the tank.

[@FimiliarGalaxy9]

@@ConkerVonZap quintessentially British

[@GannicusMisteriosdeHonduras]

He's a jolly old chap

[@Mister_Fancypants]

He time traveled to the boer war

[@padraigpearse1551]

I think the thing on the side is meant to be an oil can? Not sure though

[@fullsetsunk4090]

Leaked historical document used by the devs The Chi-Ha, more commonly known as the Patton, was a heavy tank used by the British in World War 2. It bolstered a heavy hitting 20mm gun which could punch through almost all German armour with ease and featured up to 14mm of sloped armour rendering it impervious to most German guns. By 1916 however, German T-34 tank destroyers became common on the battlefields of the Middle East and the Chi-Ha lost it's invulnerability

[@uberreaktor4836]

Geez I nearly got an aneurysm reading that. But also lowkey want to see some whacky alt-history game of that

[@volvo1354]

about a decade ago, a shipping container was discovered in Syria..it contained 5,000 mint condition Sturmgewehr StG44 rifles..the Syrians had no idea what they stumbled across, thought they were AKs LoL

[@deadbolt8706]

Never heard that story, just looked it up. Thanks!

[@Noriko_riri]

Welp, there goes those pieces of history.

[@Nm_09]

4:45 Technically the first version of the STG44 was designed in '42(MKb42). However from what I understand most, if not all, were sent east to help in fighting the Russians.

[@nickysimi9866]

yeah but that clearly wasn't what the devs were going for, and if it was, they'd be wrong because all mkb42s were sent to the eastern front

[@flapjack6828]

@@Toddlerterminator Quit making excuses for the devs.

[@jojomaster7675]

@@Toddlerterminator STG45 and STG44 are completely different weapons. Made by different people.

[@jojomaster7675]

@@Toddlerterminator doesn't sound like it in your previous comment

[@jojomaster7675]

​@@Toddlerterminator Then shouldn't the VG 1-5 also be ther?

[@elgeniomaestro]

In Return to Castle Wolfenstein you could carry a bunch of panzerfausts, but the "reload" animation was BJ just throwing the thing away and pulling out another one

[@rofidnurramadhan330]

Yeah that is makes sense in fact why acti vision decided to make Reloatable panzerfaust it's just stupid

[@SirHenryMaximo]

It's crazy because I first knew about the Lee-Enfield rifle and its 10-round magazine playing CoD 2. Then, I did my research and learned more about this iconic weapon. While playing I also learned about the insanely challenging landing on Pointe-du-Hoc, a lesser-known part of D-Day, and the heroism of the Rangers who took on that massive undertaking. Now, I can't even imagine actually learning something useful from a CoD game.

[@alessandromigliorini3435]

El Alamein Literally No Italians GG Vanguard

[@limperatoreviano7408]

Che schifo... Come se la Libia fosse stata una colonia tedesca

[@alessandromigliorini3435]

@@limperatoreviano7408 Non solo, pure tedeschi *Del Futuro* con STG44 e lanciagranate inesistenti, potevano metterci anche la Raygun droppata dai nemci ed eravamo al completo . - 20 anni fa su Ps2 erano riusciti a farla meglio El Alamein Che pagliacci

[@limperatoreviano7408]

@@alessandromigliorini3435 appena ho visto il tipo che caricava il panzerfaust come un RPG mi è preso male (arma progettata alle fine della guerra non nel 43)

[@razgriz9146]

@@limperatoreviano7408 might as well have been, especially considering the fact that it would've fallen to the British completely in 1941 instead of 1943 had it not been for the Germans saving their asses. Though it is true that Libya was indeed an Italian colony from a strictly historical point of view, all the same.

[@andreabianchi6156]

@@razgriz9146 I mean, from a strictly historical point of view, Italians made up nearly 80% of Rommels army, so if you take them off the picture you get, what 5 german divisions left? Good luck doing anything with five divisions

[@matteohetzy7599]

The Italians were the majority of the axis forces at El-Alamein. This was expecially true for infantry units, but on numerical terms was also about tanks (279 italian tanks and 35 assault guns, 211 german tanks) although the difference is much closer and the italian M14 tanks and M41 assault guns were not as good as the best of the german equivalents, the Pz4s, but these were only 38 vehicles. About the firearms I agree, there are totally anacronistic and wildfantasy weapons, but still I saw no very reasonable ones as the Beretta MAB 38 that was among the most praised submachine gun of WW2 and for sure the best on this theater, there are plenty of photos depicting german or british soldiers that had swapped their SMG in favor of the MAB. In WW2 for antitank instead of "RPGs" were pretty common RGs... but they were Rifle Granades. Also I have never seen multiple-shot granade launchers in ww2, The closest thing would probably be the Mod.35 Brixia Mortar, that was more a granade launcher than a true mortar, the propelling blanks were loaded in magazines but the granades had to be loaded one at a time after each shot. and this was to be fired from the ground or a support, definitely not hand-held. other more mobile granade launching alternatives were the german sturmpistole basically a handgun for rifle granades, and the italian experimental Tromboncino Mod.28 basically a 39mm bolt action granade launcher mounted parallel to the rifle barrel on some Carcano short rifles. About the ruins you are probably right in recognizing the inspiration as the reason the ancient ruins are there and El-Alamein is a pretty flat terrain, But it's not correct to say that there is nothing similar in the libyan desert and therefore it must be Tunisia, just look at roman cities like Leptis Magna, Cirene and Ancient Apollonia for example, although these are not directly close to the front and would have required a sort of LRDG mission deep in the enemy rear to get there, there are also ruins closer to El Alamein although not as big, in the old town close to El Alamein Marina (there are photos of this on the site of a polish archeological cooperation), but this I think must have been in the british side of the front. After all El Alamein is less than 100km from Alexandria, one of the most important cities of antiquity.

[@Itsurfave_reapy]

Games will be good if the devs Care the true scenario Asking A Historian won't hurt Plus All your gamers Will learn About ww2

[@bpeyman68]

The sad thing is historians work on these projects. CoD WWII had a historian with them and the game was far from accurate

[@BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMA]

@@bpeyman68 better than the mess that is vanguard.

[@kusada3035]

@@bpeyman68 the historians did their job, they send their documents of important moments of ww2 but vanguard devs use those documents as vegan Burger wrapping papers

[@axelotlgaming7921]

@@kusada3035 Oh really? Cause i heard that they used them for wiping their asses

[@kusada3035]

@@axelotlgaming7921 this is Activision, probably both

[@luigin649]

The most annoying thing for me is not seeing even an Italian chef in the whole campaign, while most of the troops there in real life were actually Italian

[@AllecJoshuaIbay]

I love the big red one references. Big Red One is the best CoD game ever

[@michelepierantoni5616]

Nobody remembers us. We Italians are always the forgotten ones, in both world wars. No one remembers our dead, and how many dead, even if we fought badly and were on the wrong side.

[@timbenbrown5716]

Ask any British person😂

[@courtneycunningham4291]

People forget in 1943 Italy switched to the allies . And in WW1 they basically single handedly took down the Austro-Hungarian empire.

[@frantictoast3741]

What are you talking about? People talk about the involvement of the Italians all the time in both wars. You literally can't tell the story of either World War without discussing the Italians.

[@michelepierantoni5616]

@@frantictoast3741 in all the documentaries, movies and games that I have seen, we were only talked about in the Italian ones. Every time I hear about Italians in the world wars, we are just mentioned and treated like a second-tier front, when it wasn't like that. Maybe it's just my impression, but I've never seen evidence to the contrary

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

@@michelepierantoni5616 really ive always heard of italy being the predeccessor to the "if you can convince them to fight for you youve won" US in ww1, and the alienation from the central powers alliance , becoming more neutral before 1915 ,then being promised ethnic italian regions in Austria Hungary (from the entente), even France (from central powers) in order to get them on either side,out of neutrality in which italy joined on the entente side. Italy was also crucial in the run up to ww2 seen in its involvement in the league of nations (as a major power) ,stopping the first anschluss of 1934, the abyssinian crisis in which one of its consequences was italy being less friendly with the emerging allied powers and becoming more friendly with germany. Ive always been taught/seen that italy shouldnt be left to the sidelines when discussing the world wars.

[@jayausten5388]

9:09 so that was a Charlton Automatic Rifle that originated from New Zealand. Two things wrong with what we see in game: one, it was never used in combat and was only used in the home front due to a possible invasion from Japan. And two, the piston for the gun is on the left side when it should be on the right. And on top of that it should use a 30 round mag instead of just 20

[@PurelyHyperbolic]

Fun fact The Big Red One is the only Call Of Duty where you fight the Italians, and the Vichy French.

[@pinomaki1050]

the biggest problem I have with this is that vanguard has some kind of fetish with red dot sights that didnt fucking exist in ww2. well yeah they kinda existed but in size that they were only used in aircrafts not ontop of guns. First red dot sights for guns were indroduset in 1996 by EOTech

[@fernandomarques5166]

Thats because the vast majority of twitchy 360 no scope CoD players cant aim for shit with iron sights.

[@astrosuperkoala1]

Aircraft and AA guns, hey want a reflex sight on your m1 garand

[@KermitTheGamer21]

Aimpoint had red dots before that, EOTech invented the holographic sight. But Delta guys had Aimpoints on their CARs (predecessor to the M4) during Mogadishu

[@SgtZaqq]

The game does have a real red dot sight from the 1940s - the Nydar Model 47. Too bad it was developed in 1945, mere months before the Germans surrendered.

[@aoiminase]

@@fernandomarques5166 because they didn’t got used to it on iron sights

[@NeedForSpeed.2004]

15:21 I agree. Also, in Multiplayer, there’s a PTRS-41, and somehow it has the agility of something like a Remington 700 or AWM

[@mcwildstyle9106]

In this mission, you play as a Aussie from the 9th Division. However, just like you said he has Māori tattoos on his arm. It’s mind numbing to me that they went with making a Aussie character, because Lucas Riggs (the character you play here) is based on a New Zealand soldier. Also, in the missions as the Australian, it shows the Aussie’s being basically discriminated by their British counterparts. I’m asking is did that really happen? Or do you think they went with a Dirty Dozen or Inglorious Bastards type thing?

[@Apollo890]

The British Commander of the Eighth Army Grew up in Australia, Claimed that Australia was the place that inspired him to become a soldier. Praised the 9th Australian Division as some of his finest troops at El Alamein and visited the surviving veterans of the 9th after the war. Doesn't really match with what this game is showing does it. But Vanguard seems to have some major axe to grind against the British.

[@mcwildstyle9106]

@@Apollo890 I think from what I’m seeing, the writers kinda want to have a story of something like The Dirty Dozen or Inglorious Bastards. Have a ragtag group of soldiers fight against the Nazi regime. Kinda like the first mission of BF 5

[@atomicmillenial9728]

@@Apollo890 Monty was a bit of an outlier, most British commanders considered Australian troops to be a mixed bag at best and an uncontrollable rabble at worst.

[@Apollo890]

@@atomicmillenial9728 You are thinking of the attitudes of some at the beginning of the first world war. Attitudes which were lost when the Aussies proved themselves time and time again. By 1942 I have not seen evidence of a single British Commander who still belived that.

[@atomicmillenial9728]

@@Apollo890 Command may have been a bit more enlightened but the average British officer still held a few prejudicial views, not helped by constant dodgy behaviour from Australian troops. High rates of desertion, poor discipline, the fact they were CONSTANTLY stealing anything that wasn't nailed down... I have family that served in both the 9th Divvy (paternal G-Grandfather was a truck driver) and in the 8th Army (maternal great-uncle was an Lt. in the Royal Sussex Regiment), Pa spent 1/3 of his time overseas pissed, 1/3 missing at parade and the other 1/3 in the stockade. Uncle Norman wound up in charge of a detatchment of Aussie gunners as reinforcements. He ended up threatening to shoot one digger after he found him trying to cut the finger off a pudgy Italian prisoner so he could take his wedding ring.

[@szymonkaczynski626]

There is one more interesting thing with this panzerfaust, because the fighters with the Germans did not know how to use panzerfausts, they kept them so that they injured themselves and killed themselves, and this ignorance was due to the fact that the panzerfaust manual was in German

[@damianzapadka3575]

Nice

[@aoiminase]

🤦🏽‍♂️

[@TarnishUK]

The whole thing is just bloody awful. Blokes running around as infantry while wearing Royal Tank Regiment berets, the incorrect version of the Lee Enfield, production of the No4 Mk1 only ramping up fully in 1942, the buggered up rear sight and reduced five round magazine capacity. Stupid bloody optical sights that never existed, plus all the other historical inaccuracies pointed out by the reviewer, all total rubbish.

[@daringdare5078]

1:14 No Mr. HistoryLegends it’s really you who’s got the weird accent ya drongo. -An Aussie

[@historylegends]

HAHAHA I actually laughed out loud 😆

[@scpguy1381]

11:04 small correction Al Alamein was in Egypt not Libya

[@thekid4762]

3:45 soldiers to put 5 rounds instead of 10 to reduce wear on the magazine spring

[@thescotishclonetrooperecho7773]

0:36 they weren't breakthrough tanks, that job was down to the Matildas and valentines with their heavier armour, the doctrine went as follows: infantry tanks would push with the infantry and break down the heavy enemy defences, after that the light crusaders and other types of cruiser tanks would exploit these gaps and cause behind the lines chaos

[@ChronicSlubz]

COD 2 BR1 was sooo good, super underrated. Thanks for bringing back old memories!

[@Deaglan753]

5:20 the Austrilian guy was based off of a new Zealander soldier but the devs decided to make him Austrilian for some reason Goes to show that they are only diverse if it supports their narrative,

[@TheDeadfast]

The devs were either completely incompetent, or Australian and taking the piss.

[@angoankhachai9333]

Not sure what narrative they have that can be supported by him being Australian tho More likely, the devs were just half incompetent and half apathetic

[@sheraznisar4833]

You know the character you play as in this mission is an Australian solider named Lucas Riggs.He is inspired by a solider named Charles Upham who is a New Zealand solider.Hell he even has Maori tattoos despite being Australian.This is just a spit in the face towards New Zealand gamers as this could have been an opportunity to play as a New Zealand solider,as New Zealand doesn't get much recognition in their involvement in the second world war.Just like some other countries like Canada,South Africa,India,China,Phillipines,Poland etc.

[@williamsamber5222]

Yeah, now that I think of that, that is messed up, also kinda disrespectful towards the New Zealand soldier

[@sheraznisar4833]

@@williamsamber5222 Charles Upham is probably spinning in his grave just by the existence of this game

[@jerryudonneedtoknow3903]

Looking at the first part more closely, I think I may understand why they say, protect the tanks. Tanks no matter the country are all very vulnerable without infantry support, there are very few infantry here so once they are all gone, the tanks are at their worst. Since there are very few infantry.

[@drzero1131]

in the original cod2, there was a mission where you used a crusader tank, and the whole point was that you had to use your speed to your advantage because you had to get up close and usually behind the german tanks because of their armour being too thick to penetrate at range, plus the guns those tanks had were better so engaging the german tanks at range was suicide. Later on you engaged an armoured column from behind whilst new us tanks (shermans or lee's I can't remember) engaged them from the front and distracted them

[@xoaquimyeray]

“what is the next? Dragunov? .50 CAL...?” you are gonna laugh so hard... SO HARD...

[@wizardapprenticeIV]

9:11 also btw that appears to be a Charlton automatic rifle, it's a real gun. It is a conversion for the Lee Enfield and Lee Metford rifles to turn it into a LMG to make up for shortages of Bren guns in Australian inventory as at the time of it's creation there was a genuine fear that japan may invade the mainland and having a few extra machine guns instead of obsolete rifles would've been nice.

[@RandomStuff-he7lu]

Ah yes, the Owen Gun, made famous for the jungle fighting of North Africa.

[@scpguy1381]

I should also mention that this game has holo and red dot sighted which where they developed until the 70’s and 90’s

[@kevinsmail9441]

If you watch the credits on Vanguard they literally hired only one military historian lmao. If they just said that the game is set in a alternate history like the 1950s and let’s just say the Nazis won or had a ceasefire but war broke out a decade later would be cool to cover almost like the Wolfenstein games have done with the series reboot because then they can have creative freedom without having horrible historical inaccuracies because it’s fiction. Vanguard is the complete opposite and it’s just flat out disrespectful to the people that fought and died in this war on all sides. Like read the multiplayer character bios, they’re even more ridiculous for example an Indian woman fighting for the Indian/British RAJ when they finally just let females enlist in the Indian military that allow combat roles. They did this in 2021 not the 1940s and it just gets worse. Like history is history.. 2+2=4 and vanguard is like portraying 2+2=7 😂 you can’t rewrite history of something that’s been proven. There’s multiple sides of events in history but there’s a universal truth that can’t be undone. Facts are facts. It’s Modern Warfare(2019) copy but set in WW2. The campaign is fun at times but has a terrible story and rewriting history on every aspect of the game. Read the Kotaku article on vanguard, they roasted it and are saying the exact same thing. At the end of the day they made this game for profit not history or even a compelling game. It’s literally Activision, they’re not gonna spend the money to make it more accurate. They’re a business and profit is their bottom line not history or realism.

[@J1mston]

Who's the poor soul that has their name tied to this? They've effectively blacklisted themselves from ever being taken seriously. As for the Indian woman in multiplayer, it says that she enlisted for the INA, the Indian National Army that was basically a rogue squadron of about 40k people that opposed the Raj and fought alongside the Japanese. The INA was believed to have been involved in Japanese war crimes and their leader met Hitler and was taken on a tour around one of the camps so they are definitely not the good guys. The INA had a female squadron of around 1000 members so that part is accurate but I don't know how much you'd want to be celebrating the diversity in crimes against humanity.

[@AxeTheViking]

Riggs: reloads a Panzerfaust Me: severe aneurysm

[@ops5161]

16:37 Or you could do what Battlefield 5 did, aka fire the panzerfaust, your character throws it away and grabs a new one out of nowhere; It's not a good thing, but it could be SOMEWHAT better that reloading it in terms of historical accuracy.

[@Korben-c5x]

I love how the beginning is accurate, but the rest is focking SHI-

[@AxeTheViking]

"What's next, we're gonna have a Juggernaut?" Oh, little do you know...

[@thecrash3948]

I think he actually said ‘dragunov’

[@thegrahamsullivanshow566]

they're Australian, we fought in Africa and Crete mid war before being recalled home to fight the Japanese on our doorstep. Oh and the hats are called "slouch hats", they originate from the 2nd Boar war, we still wear them on parade today, as you said they're very iconic. Aussie soldiers are very proud of their slouch hats. just some info you may not know :)

[@MargarineYEETness]

I was annoyed with this mission because it had no Italian in these North African missions, and I get that the Germans had a big help but the majority of soldiers in North Africa were Italian and it annoys me seeing them not represented, they could’ve even made an Italian mission but no they gotta make it all German and a bit of Japanese missions

[@vikingsundlof9040]

1:20 There is litterally an australian flag on that guys bag

[@RandomStuff-he7lu]

The Germans had the MKb 42(H) in early 1942 but I think they were only used on the Russian Front.

[@thegunman2841]

"what's next, are we gonna have a juggernaut?" Stalingrad mission: (nervous sweating)

[@ImWallace799]

15:03 I also believe that's an MG-3 drum, not an MG-42 drum (please do get me if I'm wrong).

[@valman6755]

i believe there actually was a "trench magazine" for the kar98k in service during WW1, holding 20 rounds. I'm not sure it was still in service during WW2 tho

[@valman6755]

@Rmebr me that's the one!

[@SeanVille]

Me in World War 2: RPG!! My fellow soldiers in World War 2: 😳🤔😳🤔

[@flicks-it-for-4238]

I like how he roasts the game when its wrong, but he is happy to compliment when it's right as well

[@steveythepriest]

You can load 10 round for the lee however it would break the spring under cause the pressure and jam the gun

[@simontide6780]

The amount of danger close air strikes in this game, at this point Germans can just sit there and relax watching Blue on Blue actions on front seat.

[@FlyinJMan]

I think the world forgot about Italy in WW2.

[@limperatoreviano7408]

Yeah

[@alessandromigliorini3435]

F

[@stinkybingus_shellshockers]

When the showed this to my grandfather who fought in north Africa, he passed out because of how realistic this was

[@daigloomminiaturepainting303]

Those rifles are Lee Enfield No.4s not sure which mark. Australia never used the No.4s and they weren't used at El Alamain as far as I know. Also the person the main character in this mission is based off a New Zealander. He should not be an Aussie.

[@crumpetcommandos779]

the rear sight on the enfield no.4 is weirdly chopped in half as well it should have its ghost ring

[@wizardapprenticeIV]

8:51 the guy on the right hand side is aiming his Austen SMG but it doesn't have a magazine

[@deadbob8950]

allies have better armor than the maus and its called the plot armor. gives enemy shooter -200 eyesight -1000 logical thinking

[@toddjentink6787]

Big Red 1 was my first COD ever as well. Hope it gets remastered some day and becomes available on this gen consoles. Would love to play it again.

[@thelime4147]

HistoryLegends Thanks for the good videos with good explonations. I just wanted to point out that the sights on the Lee enfield are wrong, the sights should be a circle and not a half cup.

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

Big red one was my favorite call of duty as a kid, I'd play it over and over

[@nellos7777]

At that point of "cod" vanguard missions it's better for you to react to other COD games like the WaW or the cod 2 as you mentioned that would have been way more exciting to watch with lot's of details and realism about different great battles with the appropriate weapons of course!!!

[@shawnskaggs4151]

I thought that in when they were making vanguard i had high hopes until I discovered the inaccuracies and that some sounds were reused

[@a10overlord37]

Wonder if I can find an SKS in Stalingrad

[@Qballiz2kool]

Playing through the campaign of CoD Vanguard makes me really appreciate just how good CoD WaW was.

[@georgyzhukov6409]

3:55, to be fair some lee enfields took 5 round box mags

[@1000yardstares]

yes but only for earlier version (pre-SMLE carbine version)

[@Sbarx2007]

As an italian, and as a Nephew of an italian paratrooper I'm sad to see that in CoD, on the Battle where Italians fought with their knifes and granades, proving that maybe they wheren't so shitty, they aren't even mantioned makes me go Crazy!

[@tadeasbiener1349]

The only thing that was correct on those "weapons" is that magazine on Kar98k, it is called "grabenmagazin" and it was rarely used in WW1. It is some kind of an extension for the karabin (to keep up the firepower against 10 round "mag" of Lee-Enfield). Grabenmagazin is hard to install and also to remove (that incompetent imbecile who added it to the game made it removable as normal magazine and that is a serious mistake). Loading is as usual - with clips. Here is a video about that mauser extension (it is in czech) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZS9iKaKjLR4jqs

[@earlgrey9319]

That magazine you cite ain't for the Karabiner 98k but for the gewehr 98 which is a different gun

[@tadeasbiener1349]

@@earlgrey9319 My mistake and I apologise for that but it is possible to use the magazine on a K98k, as far as I know.

[@earlgrey9319]

@@tadeasbiener1349 I haven't found any info on that so you might be right

[@romaniansof]

8:19 im sorry,does that mp40 have a drum mag and an sight on it?

[@samuel10125]

The Lee Enfields rear sight is inaccurate the tanks are most likely 7th Armoured Division AKA the Desert Rat's the soldier you play as is an Australian who is based off a New Zealand war hero they pissed off alot of New Zealanders. Crusader tanks where so ineffective against German armour they had to close to almost suicidal ranges just for their 2 pdr guns to penetrate.

[@markmitin7397]

They also pissed off a lot of Russians with their Stalingrad missions. I hope he will make a video on that one.

[@samuel10125]

@@markmitin7397 I'm aware the Russians military did have female snipers but COD portrayed it as discount assassin's creed

[@markmitin7397]

@@samuel10125 Definitely. Polina was strongly romanticized in order to appeal to female audiences and gamers, in this image of strong and independent woman. However, as looking at her from my perspective her actions seemed either over the top, too dramatized and sometimes without any logic to back it up. The most ridiculous thing in my opinion, is that Polina makes a comment of how the Red Army didn't allow her to fight because she is a woman, and therefore should be a medic. Historically this wouldn't be true, because in the Soviet Union women who were specifically recognized for their ability to shoot a rifle with precision, were sent to special sniper schools for women to further advance their training from basic to master marksmanship. Interestingly enough, Soviets thought that women were more fit for sniper roles, because they were more patient. Another thing that I really didn't like about her character, is that even when assigned as a Medic, she chose to abandon her duties to help the wounded and provide medical care, and just runs away to her house in one of the missions. Honestly, they missed the opportunity to make an interesting game mechanic, as Polina could have been a sniper as well as medic. So, for example, if a friendly soldier got injured, she could have provided medical support, and could heal other members of the team. I apologies for making a long comment, but I just wanted to point out how modern politics influenced this game in a way to make it appealing towards modern masses.

[@samuel10125]

@@markmitin7397 yeah it's getting ridiculous it's exactly like how they are making female versions of super heroes because they haven't a single creative bone in their body then acting like they did something new media I'd being ruined in general it's telling when the older CODS where more accurate to the period.

[@eddyduncan8443]

8:20 I don't think MP40's had drum mags either.

[@bandkgrover]

Really annoying how Italy isint in the game….

[@spygineer1076]

there is a game called Enlisted where there's the africa campaign and you cna play with Italian divisions

[@RandomStuff-he7lu]

@@spygineer1076 Which button surrenders?

[@spygineer1076]

@@RandomStuff-he7lu yeah not funny, overused joke which has been debunked to be just bs

[@RandomStuff-he7lu]

@@spygineer1076 You know the Germans would have joked about it.

[@spygineer1076]

@@RandomStuff-he7lu the Germans should keep their mouth shut since they always trusted the Italians to cover them while they escaped from Africa like scared little kids. One particular event is the big charge of the Ariete division against the far superior British tanks just to let the Germans escape. If there's someone to be made fun of is those kraut mfs cus they were the exact opposite of brave in that campaign.

[@Polonsky97]

Oh my lord THE BIG RED ONE!!! I LOVED the hell out of that game. If possible, i'd like to see a reaction to at least one of the missions from that game. Also, Liberators GOAT mission and The Dragon's Teeth was an enjoyable nightmare

[@drunkukrainian6998]

The lee endfeilds rear sight is incorrect the real lee endfeild has a full rear sight instead of the half u shaped sight depicted in game

[@grikkajunior]

That was a lee Enfield no.5 that had a chopped rear sight and a five round mag

[@drorsheffer1182]

This is starting to become my favorite channel..

[@mattirealm]

LMAO. And this is why I quit buying Call of Duty games that come after COD Ghosts (2013!!!). Thanks for the laughs HistoryLegends!

[@NoirChat138]

2:58 could also be mines, because Germans build what was called "devil gardens" and Italian soldiers loved also to find enemy mines and reposition them

[@themfpuppet2327]

You should checkout hell let loose one of the most realistic ww2 game

[@owensmith8607]

This guy will literally say, “I’m not the biggest expert” and then give some concise details about some information you’ve never thought about

[@razgriz9146]

That's humility for you. Dude's humble as fuck.

[@owensmith8607]

@@razgriz9146 very humble

[@letemplierchevaliers2751]

Is it me or does the MG42's Ammo box kinda resembles the MG3's Ammo box? Bruhh they really should add the AK47 and FN FAL here lmao

[@jared.p240]

You are not mistaken. It is indeed an MG3 belt box

[@NeedForSpeed.2004]

The most insane thing is that somehow RPGs existed in 1941. What’s next? Is someone gonna have a Barrett M82? I’m surprised they haven’t thrown in an M1 Abrams

[@RandomStuff-he7lu]

Raiders of the Lost Ark had an RPG and it's set in the 30s!

[@frantictoast3741]

It's also a movie?

[@RandomStuff-he7lu]

@@frantictoast3741 No fucking shit.

[@frantictoast3741]

@@RandomStuff-he7lu meaning what...? Comeon you can do it... meaning...that everything in a film isn't going to be historically accurate so saying a movie has an rpg in the 30s doesn't mean anything 🙃

[@Kurt20051YT]

Big Red One was my first CoD too. I still remember that mission from when I first played it.

[@anonymousboogaloo]

I pity all military enthusiasts and historians alike. Vanguard is a curse to all of them.

[@TotallyNotShiny_Stone]

16:48 The bomber strike flying sooo low they would have blast themselve with their own bombs...Just like many games where bombers fly so low...

[@Thomas_Angelo]

I fucking loved Medal of honor allied assault because it explained everything in both ww2 and the game. Stg 44 and Tiger tank being prototypes and you stealing it were so detailed. This is a disrespectful game.

[@linkfreeman1998]

Ikr? Granted, the game also have some questionable logic such as feeding kar98k bullets to a garand, but to me it feels like a game that self aware they're just games, but still trying to be respectful towards ww2....

[@Thomas_Angelo]

@@linkfreeman1998 True!!!

[@friendlyatheist9589]

15:23 that standoff looks quite similar to battlefield 5 mission where you hold off enemies till help arrives

[@epicgamingcentral92]

What COD needs to do is go back to its roots when you were a nobody fighting alone side everyone and had (mostly) realism like CoD 2 or WaW or something that was fairly accurate.

[@user-ku6co7nj1f]

When i see a new games about ww2, i want to put bleach on my eyes

[@kingwolf396]

8:47 on the right of the screen, that Anzac is firing an empty Owen gun. (No magazine is loaded yet you can see muzzle flash)

[@martinkalmar7448]

Nice video dude :) Keep doing the great work

[@Osiem]

When he RELODED that panzerfaust I died inside...

[@TheSimpleMan454]

I keep thinking "Stop working the bolt with the flat of your hand damnit!"

[@Pesho-mb4vt]

I think there was some k98k with magazines in ww2, but the original are Gewehr 98s from ww1 with the name ,,Trench Mauser", later replaced with the submachine guns.