Historical Accuracy of Trains & Train Robberies in RDR2

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Today we're looking at the historical accuracy of Trains & Train Robberies in Red Dead Redemption II. For this week I used the Library of Congress Archives, which allowed me to acquire an abundance of primary source material from the period, particularly about train robberies at the turn of the century. For help with the train components, I consulted Kevin Wilcomb, the company historian for the Georgetown Loop Railroad in Georgetown, Colorado, and a steam locomotive engineer for over 35 years. Thank you for all your help, Kevin!
Music:
Track: Horses & Trains - Jesse Gallagher. Available on KZbin Audio Library
Track: Covid Come Not Near - Nat Keefe & Hot Buttered Rum. Available on KZbin Audio Library.
Fair Use Disclaimer: The fair use doctrine in U.S. copyright law allows individuals to use copyrighted material to create original works. It includes criticism, news reporting, research, and derivative works. Many KZbin videos may use music or other snippets of other creations.
Train Inaccuracies:
(Note: Some of these apply to one train & not the other, some apply to both)
1) The beam that the cow catcher is affixed to is not wide enough. This is called the Pilot Beam and they generally, were the same width as the locomotive.
2) The headlight is an electric light which should be powered by a steam driven Dynamo mounted either behind the light or on top of the Boiler directly in front of the cab roof. the Dynamo is missing. If it was not an electric light, by the 1890s Kerosene Headlamps were still in use as well as Carbide Gas Lamps.
3) The locomotive has an Air Compressor but no visible Air Brake Equipment ie Brake shoes, brake rigging visible between the driving wheels, the Equalizing Tank under the cab is missing, there are no air brake controls or gauges visible in the cab from what I could see.
4) The Bell Chord is on the wrong side. Ringing the Bell was the Fireman's responsibility not the Engineer
5) The Coal space on the tender is too large. On a horseshoe tender like those shown in the game, fuel was stored in the front half to third, depending on the builder, of the tender, the rest was water storage.
6) The all brass sand dome is incorrect. Central Pacific Locomotives did have all brass Steam Dome covers, but they flared out at the top while the sand dome was made of sheet iron with cast iron , fluted, tops and bases.
7) Locomotive hand rails generally did not bend down like that. They usually stop at the end of the boiler jackets. This depends on the builder.
8) The brass band at the very front of the boiler should not be there, they were only used to hide the seams of the boiler jacketing.
9) The traction sand delivery pipe in front of the lead drive wheel is missing.
10) The locomotive is carrying an air compressor on each side, this is incorrect. Single Stage Air Compressors like these were carried on one side or the other not on both.
11) The front facing hand hold ( grab iron) would not be all brass. They were tube steel held in place with cast iron fittings
12) The train uses what are called Strap Brass Bearings and the bearing itself is in 2 pieces, split vertically and held in place on the crank pins by the strap and the wedge on the main and side rods of the locomotive. The model in the game does not have a split in the bearing and the strap is missing. in the game it is set up like a Bushing, but still has all the add-ons for a Strap Brass arrangement which is pointless if you have a bushing type bearing.
13) The Cab of the Thatcher Perkins model that I was watching on KZbin shows a, mostly, standard arrangement from the early days of steam locomotives in the US, but if this engine was still in service in 1899 it would have been modified with a Hydro-static lubricator, air powered Sanding valves and air brakes for the train behind it. None of these are present in the cab from what I can see of it which , by 1899, would have been in violation of I.C.C. regulations for engines in passenger and freight service.
14) Both locomotives are missing their front cab doors they are shown as windows in the game.
15) The Thatcher Perkins is missing the air hoses that are supposed to be on the pilot.

[@piewithmoustachepwm]

"No water, no steam, no choo choo." Thank you for putting it into terms we understand!

[@ManvsHistory]

You bet, buddy! I'm a man of the people. And the people don't need all them fancy college words.

[@Kegg_Works]

@@ManvsHistory There's another huge reason to have water. Ironically, if you don't have enough, the boiler explodes! The fire in the firebox is hot enough to melt the steel it's made from. But by having water surrounding it the water absorbs the heat, thus maintaining its structural integrity. However, if the water level drops below the top of the firebox, there's nothing to keep it cool and it will start to melt. Once it's soft enough you have 150-200 psi blast through it. So yeah. No water, no choo choo indeed.

[@aidansilvia2663]

I appreciate that you didn’t put “in red Dead online” in the title.

[@ManvsHistory]

After doing the research I started writing the script and kept catching myself typing 'Red Dead Online' for everything. Tough habit to break!

[@lukeklo]

@@ManvsHistory lol if they dont add something good like that in december im done for good

[@triplejay1058]

If you want to rob a bank be an outlaw there’s a whole mission setting up the mission

[@spookysioux1224]

Yep its sad, no robberies

[@PhsykoOmen]

@@lukeklo are you done?

[@asprywrites]

When Arthur and Lenny rob the train, usually Lenny goes ahead and I have to save him from an attack. Once, I went ahead and was hit by a shovel in a surprise attack by a man called "The Engineer" while an engineer was still driving the train. So I guess I did see that one instance where it was a 2-man crew.

[@stogran]

I always go first and I always get a shovel right in the face 😂 didn't ever considered make Lenny go first

[@TheHeavyshadow]

So train robberies were actually common in the Old West. I always thought it was something that happened like a dozen of times and then was massively overinflated by books and movies.

[@ManvsHistory]

It was far more common than I thought as well. But it's a small window... about 25 years. During that time some western states had one a month.

[@joaqu7002]

It didn’t happen a dozen times, it was done twice every dozen days

[@theinnocents4002]

The massive amount of research and editing paid off a bunch! Best video by far!

[@InspireDogworks]

I couldn't agree more! This video was so epic it's on another level completely. Well done, friend!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@nikoslav]

I hate how he does more work for his videos than some twitch rtard letsplayer and gets way fewer views. Unforgivable.

[@theinnocents4002]

@@nikoslav I say the same thing often.

[@gordonilaoa1275]

Trains are one of those things where you just have to watch as it passes by.

[@clueless4085]

It's the simple pleasures, isn't it?

[@lynwoodm632]

*sees sweater* that item will require gold to purchase, do ya have any?

[@ManvsHistory]

It gets cold up in the Grizzlies.

[@itschaos007]

People say us tailors all sound the same...but I find that rather offensive

[@averagefalloutenjoyer123]

@@itschaos007 My my, if I had a dollar for every time someone said to me "haven't I met you somewhere else?"

[@faded_red9373]

@@averagefalloutenjoyer123 excuse my saying, but you look quite handsome in that

[@itschaos007]

@@averagefalloutenjoyer123 "these shirts are as sturdy...as they are handsome"

[@aarona.aaronson9621]

One more thing to mention (Rockstar never gets this right) : Regular trains do not usually go up 20 percent inclines

[@collinmclaren6608]

"So let this be a lesson ... you need to thoroughly search the ladies." How else am I going to get silver earrings for crafting?

[@arran6369]

"Once they create an outlaw role" Bold of you to assume they will, man.

[@chimpinaneckbrace]

Dare to dream.

[@johnstanley5478]

Well moonshine and naturalist are add ons of trader and collector alls they got left is a bounty hunter add on but yet again it wouldn't surprise me if they didnt add lawmen and added something gay..rdr2o has been predictable since day 1 tbh..like when it 1st came out and the player got cash and gold knew there was a reason they added gold and most decent update on gtao didnt come til like a couple years after... it was all little stuff at 1st on gtao like it is with rdr2o right now so most decent update wont be til either December-later 2021

[@johnstanley5478]

Damn sorry for the long read that literally took more words to type than I thought

[@arran6369]

@@johnstanley5478 I’m a bit more of an optimist to be honest, I think it’s possible they add something big for the next gen release. who knows tho, I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re dry on content for the next 6-12 months.

[@MrJamiez]

Well, we are an outlaw.

[@HarryBerry316]

Man I wish you had more subs, your content is very high quality

[@ManvsHistory]

Me too! Appreciate that, Gerald!

[@InspireDogworks]

He'll get there quickly. The content is so epic, and the creator is awesome! He'll have his 100k plaque in no time.

[@HarryBerry316]

@@InspireDogworks hope fully

[@nicolasgibbons4683]

Idk if he meant to do this, but it was a perfect song choice cause it started out with a train track shuffle lol

[@luciussatchell9709]

I think the reasons tickets are seem inaccurate is because rockstar are trying to create the illusion that the map is I'm scale to the real world, not just open world games. It's like how 1 minute passes in 1 second in Red dead, meaning a 10 minute journey in game actually 10 hours. I think I explained it ok?

[@jesseharrold1812]

6:00 This story actually gets crazier the more you look into it. One of the bandits, one Elmur McCurdy, was later killed in a shootout. His corpse then spent the next seventy years touring the country, being passed from hand to hand until it ended up hung from the ceiling of a cheap novelty horror ride in Long Beach California, having been mistaken for a mannequin. It was only discovered that it was, in fact, a mummified and painted corpse when a worker tried to move it and an arm came off in his hands.

[@ManvsHistory]

This is fantastic.

[@bluwolf9357]

Another great and interesting video!!! 👌 Glad to see you back in business!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@TG626]

Other errors: stopping trains throw sparks from the tender wheels only, implying they alone stop the train. In one mission you uncouple the trailing cars by pulling the pin from a knuckle coupler. Knuckle couplers don’t have pins.

[@jedi_deez2930]

How do you read the western articles

[@ManvsHistory]

I spend A LOT of time scouring the Library of Congress' newspaper archive. I also find some in the British Newspaper Archives.

[@mryioik2677]

Dang! Really kicked it up a notch with this one! Keep it coming man!

[@ManvsHistory]

Will do, thanks Yioik!

[@U8122-p9v]

I find it funny that both hogans army and Kelly’s army if you were to switch the army with hero they both would be a popular war movie/tv shows

[@nathanbunney3604]

7:20 dissecting bodies in the 1800s was very taboo, to the point where, at least in England, bodies would be dug from their graves or even murdered in order to sell to doctors for dissections.

[@MossySparks]

We out here... learning about Trains n stuff

[@ManvsHistory]

No doubt, playa. Appreciate you stopping by, Sparks!

[@MossySparks]

@@ManvsHistory 🤣 No problem buddy... love the channel.

[@ManvsHistory]

@@MossySparks And I yours, partner! If you ever want to collaborate on one let me know.

[@vincentberkan605]

Elmer McCurdy also robbed his final train in 1911, but he robbed the wrong one and only got $46.00,two bottles of rotgut and a revolver out of it.

[@pikablob]

The thing that always gets me is that the track signals in St. Denis are _British_-style for some reason, instead of American railroad equipment

[@marcusaurelius4941]

Many of the studios comprising Rockstar Games are actually located in England and Scotland. Maybe that had an impact?

[@joosebox]

amazing episode. a video on law enforcement and maybe even gunfight tactics would be awesome

[@ManvsHistory]

Yeah, I may have covered most of it in my bounty hunting video, but I didn't get to the Pinkertons. Have had lots of requests for that one.

[@forceenhance]

13:31 Im So Sorry Man Vs History, We Are Here For You.

[@ManvsHistory]

Ha! A moment of candor...

[@forceenhance]

@@ManvsHistory I wanted to take a second to let you know how much I enjoy watching this channel. I found your channel about 4 days ago and I'd say 70 percent of all videos I've watched since then have been from your channel I've even rewatched many of them, it's clear to me how much effort you put into them and I'm excited to see what you have planned next.

[@ManvsHistory]

@@forceenhance Thanks, buddy! Really appreciate that.

[@forceenhance]

@@ManvsHistory dont thank me, you deserve it.

[@OGBOOP]

Best vid so far keep it going and we'll be here to support!

[@ManvsHistory]

Thanks Felix!

[@iCanBeHeroic]

Wow I can’t get enough of these videos, I just got done binging them all. It’s nice hearing all this from someone who knows their shit. Kudos!

[@ManvsHistory]

Thanks, Will! Working on another one as well...

[@iCanBeHeroic]

@@ManvsHistory well I can’t wait! I love the history behind all the looks and how you make them as historically accurate as possible while telling us how they’re accurate and the neat little stories behind them

[@ManvsHistory]

@@iCanBeHeroic Thanks, Will! Glad you enjoy them!

[@ManvsHistory]

FYI, the MvH Outfitters is now officially open! Stop into the shop and get your merchandise! (No gold required) All the designs (with the exception of the 'Hunting Grounds' shirts) are custom, and were hand drawn by Man vs. History. Products include T-shirts, hoodies, stickers, tin camp mugs, hats, and various other sundry goods. As always, thank you folks for supporting the channel! Enjoy! Store link: shop.spreadshirt.com/man-vs-history/

[@theinnocents4002]

Arrives next week!

[@ManvsHistory]

@@theinnocents4002 Awesome, thanks for supporting the channel in so many ways!

[@InspireDogworks]

Can't wait to receive mine!

[@chimpinaneckbrace]

@@ManvsHistory Hope you do a Blackwater shirt at some point.

[@ManvsHistory]

@@chimpinaneckbrace What do you envision for it, Yuri?

[@wholesome122]

Well now I’m curious about that other news article!

[@cableyoutuber]

Imagine robbing a train today...I feel like it wouldn’t go well.

[@TheB00tyWarrior]

There aint shit on trains anymore

[@russelljones3221]

@@TheB00tyWarrior Most of the stuff that's on freight trains now is too heavy to run off with, you might be able to hold up a passenger car but how much you'd get is questionable

[@SaltyRocksPew]

yeah put the four hundred tons of coal in this grocery bag you varmint

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

@@TheB00tyWarrior there's lots of electronics and mail still transported by railroads, you can find stuff like that in intermodal containers and tractor trailers on flatcars.

[@shroook]

“You need to thoroughly search the ladies…. Can we say that?” Lmao 😂 dude i died laughing.

[@sirilluminarthevaliant2895]

She was asking why the others wouldn’t do anything. But didn’t offer to do anything herself

[@Kegg_Works]

As a historical rail enthusiast I have to agree with what you've said. I'm also a budding Live Steam hobbyist and am working on a rideable minature steam locomotive. And I can attest to many of the missing parts and components of the locomotives. However, there is one aspect I feel was overlooked in terms of not just historical accuracy, but just plain old physics. And that were the Grades, or the steepness of the tracks. Most railroads tried to keeps grades to a minimum, but "steep" was considered to he around 2%. Or 2 feet of rise for every 100 feet of forward travel. However some railroads had grades as steep as 4.5%, but for relatively short distances. The steepest mainline railroad grade in the US is the infamous Saluda Grade in NC. With a Maximum grade of 4.9% but average 4.26% (if I recall correctly) and that was for nearly 3 miles. There's an extremely steep grade heading north through Roanoke Ridge and into Ambarino on the eastern side ofnthe map. Given the similarities of the region depicted by the map, maybe it's a nod to Saluda, but the grade looks like it's at almost a 45° angle. Which vastly exceeds the tractive effort of even the strongest locomotive of the tine in the US. At least not without some kind of mechanical advantage like a cog rail system. To gain elevation, railroads found creative ways to keep grades to a minimum, but still climb as needed. One way is to use a series of loops or curves to accomplish that. Sometimes even crossing over itself to do so. The old Morenci Southern Railroad in Arizona had five such loops, earning it's name of "America's Corkscrew". The large wooden trestles that comprised several of the loops were later torn down due to their expensive maintenance. They were replaced by switch-backs. Which are best described as Zig-Zags going up a steep hill or mountain side. Unfortunately, switch-backs required the train to stop and reverse direction in order to climb up the particular part of the switch back. And then stop and continue onward, depending on the number of switch-backs. Honestly, when it came to the teains in the game, that was my biggest gripe I have and ruins the immersion. Reminding me that this was a game and not some time in the past.

[@ManvsHistory]

This is pretty fascinating stuff, AJ! Very cool! I appreciate you taking the time to add all this info. Can't say I had even thought about the grades!

[@Kegg_Works]

@@ManvsHistory Absolutely no problem! It's always been an issue in games that have trains. For some reason, developers think they can run on track like a roller coaster. Which simply isn't the case. The Mt. Washington Cog Railway was the first of its kind in the world. There's a stretch of track near-ish to the summit that is at a 45-degree incline and was dubbed "Jacob's Ladder". For trains to climb such steep grades you have to have some kind of mechanical advantage where what they call "Adhesion" in the industry, just wouldn't be enough. Another railroad you may want to check out is the Nevada Northern. They have an amazing history with some amazing true stories. They're not only knowledgeable on locomotives, but nearly every facet of period railroading. They still have their vintage 1912 era passenger train, the "Steptoe Flyer". With all wooden passenger stock. Really good stuff if you're interested.

[@bobsmith9679]

If the train is realistic or not it's a drivable train it's fun just you have to look it over the all mistakes

[@lvbuckeye]

The failed robbery with all the cursing was amazing! 🤣🤣🤣

[@justinpeterson5821]

One of the train robbers that blew up the the money and the safe ended up going on an insane adventure after he died

[@breadcrumb3027]

Man vs history video? You know I gotta watch

[@russellsutherland8101]

All these train robbers and no mention of Billy Miner who is believed to be the originator of the phrase "Hands Up!" He also went by Grey Fox, Gentleman Robber and the Gentleman Bandit.

[@darthvader757]

I'm two years to late but if you see this please respond with your thoughts. What do you think of doing a playthrough of Rdr2 story mode, but maintaining 100% (or to the best of your ability) historical accuracy. I know there is less customizations so it will be harder but I would love to see it and I would definitely watch the entire series. This would also include horses and if you want to take it a step further, eating meals like a regular person would

[@ManvsHistory]

Haven’t played in a while, but that isn’t a bad idea.

[@julian3654]

I wish we could rob trains in rdr2 online

[@ThomasDaly1488]

I see some people praising you not referring to the game as Red Dead Online, but I guarantee youtube would not have recommended your channel if you hadn't done this previously. I and I assume many others are new/returning to red dead because of its recent change to a standalone game and have been looking for youtube content accordingly. Great stuff. Glad I found it.

[@PootisDaLoopis]

3:57 lady in the back riding sidesaddle. wish theyd add it to rdr online, the animations are there (when you pick up a female npc they'll ride astride sometimes) Horses are an interest of mine and while my knowledge mostly centers around victorian europe & england the rdr2 horses have so much potential and id love to see more about them in general

[@traegoins6903]

Yeah it is rather weird that your female characters, even when wearing a dress, ride normally. They literally just stretch the dress way out.

[@danielstamp3301]

I have watched several of your videos over the past day or so and have come to two conclusions. One, you really know your history and impart that knowledge exceedingly well with the content (a game) to gamers and perhaps non-gamers. Really educational. Second. To me, you bear a resemblance to Tom Brady.

[@ManvsHistory]

Ha! Yeah, I've gotten the Brady thing a lot from both students and folks on YT. Really appreciate you watching the vids, and thanks for the kind remarks, my friend.

[@feller6766]

7:22 Sounds like a parody of The Twelve Days of Christmas, just missing a few lines

[@lukesmith112]

i always thought that rdr2 would be absolutely 100% better if the trains could boil dry and explode

[@TheTermintator12]

I love how much research went into this video, keep up the work! but just to mention the real life version of the 4-6-0 did have windows on the cab not doors just to mention, irl version was the "thatcher perkins"

[@ManvsHistory]

Thank you. Yeah, it's possible that the train expert I consulted only meant that one of the trains had the door, while the other had the window- but I don't remember him specifying that, unfortunately. Or he did, and I missed it. Knowing how thorough his knowledge was, I'm guessing it was the latter, not the former.

[@donovanwhitley775]

I love the effort you put into these videos but I just have one question... I’m writing a western novel and I’d love to utilize sources that you use in order to do research on my part. Thanks and keep up the very informative videos!!

[@ManvsHistory]

HI Donovan, I try and list a lot of my sources in the descriptions of the videos. I tend to use a mixture of books, newspaper archives, and old catalogs and journals. Most videos utilize the Library of Congress' Newspaper Archive and the British Newspaper Archives. The former is free, the latter is a paid subscription. As you might imagine, I probably read twenty or thirty articles for each one I actually use in the video. It's a tedious process, but worth the effort. Hope that helps! If you have other questions let me know!

[@blink-nj3ut]

“ once they create an outlaw role” aged like milk. 😂

[@ManvsHistory]

Ha! How naive I was....

[@cakeblade6954]

“What the hell is that” lol 😂

[@puarterquonder]

I missed Red Ben Clempson.

[@tommyhenry1174]

Fantastic as always. I always learn something new here and love how thorough your research is. Top notch!

[@ManvsHistory]

Appreciate that, Tommy! Thanks for stopping in!

[@marcusaurelius4941]

>"oh, let me tell you about some train autism" >actually produces one of the most compelling history videos about the relevant era and place. those news articles are pure gold

[@ManvsHistory]

Much obliged, partner! Great handle, btw. Love M.A.

[@jamesgordon9825]

Throughly search the Ladies! Can we say that?

[@greenforests6239]

This man needs subs

[@PhsykoOmen]

I think passenger train should run thru valentine to saint denis and keep the freight train for the desert

[@DuramaxZack]

Your videos never get old. Not even after watching all of them more than once. Is there anyway you could lead me to where you find all of these old newspaper articles? I would love to sit down and read some. I could spend a whole day doing just that. Anyways I love the content man and look forward to future videos. Watch out for those bigamist now! 😂

[@ManvsHistory]

Awesome to hear that, Zack. Thanks, buddy. I find all the newspaper articles on the Library of Congress online archives and the online British Newspaper archives.

[@DuramaxZack]

@@ManvsHistory thank you so much man! You’re awesome!

[@americantttefan4745]

I always love roleplaying the engineer and driving the train across the map, using accurate whistle and bell signals in the meantime. Hope the devs add the other trains into RDO. The 4-4-0 and passenger trains look like fun to move around a posse on

[@dfluegge]

Any idea how much the it cost to replace the train that the James gang wrecked? I am guessing it was a heck of a lot more than the haul they got. Makes me think of when someone broke out the tiny trangle back window in my Blazer to steal 3 CDs and an old Garmin worth about $10 - the window was $300, the most expensive (but smallest) window in the vehicle. If they would have knocked on my door I would have given them $20 to just go away.

[@ManvsHistory]

When you factor in damage to the locomotive and cars, lost revenue, injury claims, death claims, track repairs, etc, it would have certainly cost significantly more than the James Gang took, I can tell you that. Additionally, you have the absence of modern cranes and other heavy machinery to assist in the clean up. Nowadays a train derailment can be remedied in a matter of hours, or days. Back then however, it was a much greater ordeal. The gang was lucky they didn't kill dozens of passengers. I credit the flatness of Iowa.

[@zacharyc2788]

Steam locomotives are awesome

[@DannyMorrs]

Those guys who flubbed the robbery and wanted a bag of stones sounds like my buddies and I trying to plan anything outside of a mission

[@ManvsHistory]

Ha! Did you watch the Cattle Drive or Mountain Man Rendezvous stream? It was textbook chaos.

[@cjlane4465]

I absolutely love these videos, please keep it up

[@ManvsHistory]

Thanks, CJ!

[@thehistorybuff1883]

As a lover of history and red dead, these videos are absolutely incredible! Very well made and researched.

[@ManvsHistory]

Thank you, my friend! I appreciate that!

[@dolodu]

Where did u find that old woman article. Im from Maryland and im very interested in that news article

[@dolodu]

I found it

[@matthewearlywine5535]

Trains actually had an bigger crew. You also had brakemen and conductors. Before air brakes you had to apply each car brakes by hand. Brakeman went car to car applying brakes. Conductors cut cars and lined switches like they do today. While I agree with your experts explanation of the switches, they are actually long enough to safely pass a train. Though the turnouts don’t have guard rails, they use self guarded frogs at times that require no guard rail.

[@thedisturbedone5026]

"...not Hogan hero's..." I got that reference and I'm only 18 lol

[@CPorter]

does anyone know how one would do the editing effect shown at 5:42 in Vegas16? I've been trying to figure it out for a while now

[@1x93cm]

Robbing 12K back the 1890s....SIGN ME UP

[@WASRSASR]

the amount of work this dude puts into his video's

[@ManvsHistory]

Ha! Too much?

[@surtofgods8265]

Isn't the locomotive pipe wrong as well? If it is using coal it would be most likely east cost so the pipe would be straight up and down not the funnel style which was west coast becuase of the use of wood instead of coal. That way the embers from the wood would not start or would be less likely to start forest fires

[@professionalairhead5582]

I know this was almost a year ago but damn dude you were rocking that beard and sweater.

[@ManvsHistory]

Ha! I'll take that as a compliment! It gets cold up in the mountains!

[@HeCometh232]

Nice video Also on the topic of "what was that" with the old woman being killed and sold for 'dissecting purposes' I believe this was quite common with two Scottish men, Burke and Hare making a decent amount of money from it

[@titaniumspike1779]

I wish there were more railroad mods to make trains more historically accurate than just railroad engineer and locomotive power.

[@mrtommygunwhite]

What about craft able ammo would there be a point to slicing an X into your bullets (split points)

[@theinnocents4002]

Kind of a crude "hollow point" deal if I'm not mistaken. Lead was easy enough to cut into. Cutting an 'X' into it would cause those 4 sections to fan out, be sharp, jagged and do more damage. I don't think it would cause your shots to be more accurate, though...

[@ManvsHistory]

@@theinnocents4002 Nailed it.

[@theinnocents4002]

@@ManvsHistory I'm a genius!! 🤓👨‍🏫

[@ManvsHistory]

@@theinnocents4002 Big brain.

[@noe_cortez]

Rockstar probably is never going to do this but I think they should add armored trains to online

[@alextorres4667]

Id get someone on the train (a woman) to pose as a civilian, she tells everyone a hiding spot for there money. They give her the money to hide it, once she gets it all everyone leaves and we walk off with maximum payout

[@ManvsHistory]

That's a superb idea.

[@sirsmokey710]

Note to self find a way to time travel go back in time with today's technology Rob trains come back

[@Mas4449]

This was awesome, glad to see some railroad history of this era getting shed on the average viewer. Nice work!

[@オクタン-g7u]

What's the song used in this video?! I absolutely love it.

[@BLET_55artem55]

It's in the description 🤝

[@vondo84]

Amazing video as always! Are you planning on making more red dead neurology videos?

[@ManvsHistory]

Indeed. But focused more so on historical masculinity- contrasted with the present- and my reflections on all that.

[@vondo84]

@@ManvsHistory sounds awesome

[@charles_gim05]

U deserve more subs dude

[@LowCountryMack]

I got curious (again) about the 'Hole In The Wall Gang' train robber in Wyoming. There's an eyewitness account from Robert Lawson and the story about E.C. Woodcock and his stand against the gang not to open the door on the express car, in which the gang did blow the car to smithereens, afterwards helping Woodcock from the car. It's a funny moment in an otherwise desperate situation in history and depicted great in the original movie. This is an "Outstanding" vid Professor! It just keeps getting better and better. Thanks man.👍

[@harryw-j5355]

Amazing video one of the best so far i still like the firearms video best. Keep it up friend

[@savorytv87]

Can we get the history of the African Americans and some clothes

[@Nytellem]

Thank you for this, why doesn’t R* place actual carts and open world train robberies in RDO? That is waaaaayyyy beyond me as it just seems like a no brainer when developing a video game you actually want people to enjoy.

[@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896]

Why train no go choo choo

[@sparkyson1]

I am actually distantly related to Rube Burrow, I was hoping you would cover him! Please reach out if you’d like any information on him!

[@ManvsHistory]

Very cool! He should be much more famous than he is.

[@sparkyson1]

@@ManvsHistory Thanks for the response! I love the channel! He’s definitely an interesting character to learn about.

[@tomockert7779]

I am glad the water towers do not work, one thing less for my horse to run into on RDRO2.

[@RebelSandGaming]

How about a video on the historical accuracy of guarma and the Spanish American war in red dead or the lesser known Filipino American war

[@travisbartholomew6646]

Lucky number 100 on thumbs up 👍

[@ManvsHistory]

Thank you, Travis!

[@thefunnynamehere266]

Did anyone ever try to topple the water towers along the line while the train was taking on water? Seems like a less fatal way to stop the train like James did with the tracks

[@marie-clairenasswetter1516]

Fantastic Video as always 🙂 I' m always learning Something, i can Only Imagine how much Research went Into it 🙂 And you can say the last robbers, where deffenitly idiots😂😂😂 I

[@ManvsHistory]

I appreciate that!

[@cainthekilla717uh2]

My great great grandaddy was a train robber

[@leatherwulf9914]

I watched part 1 of yer Dad's hunting exploits and can not wait to see the rest of them. Thank you for making us think laugh and look at the kool stuff in our lives. Hope to see ya in the swamp. LW.

[@ManvsHistory]

Awesome, man! Those videos just keep getting better!

[@InspireDogworks]

FOR SCIENCE!!!! 💣 🔥

[@ManvsHistory]

So pumped that you've got your own t-shit design now. You earned it, Gertonson.

[@andrewshepherd1537]

Can someone find the resource he used for the stiens pass attempted robbery? I would LOVE to print that out and frame it in my office

[@ManvsHistory]

MvH here. I've got you covered, Andrew. Arizona republican. (Phoenix, Ariz.), 27 Feb. 1895. Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers. Lib. of Congress. That link should take you directly to the article.

[@ManvsHistory]

Just be sure to remove that last >. Somehow it attached to the link.

[@andrewshepherd1537]

@@ManvsHistory You are a saint. I'm never not going to be able to look at this without laughing

[@ManvsHistory]

@@andrewshepherd1537 You bet, man! Yeah, it's one of the funniest articles I ever came across in my perusing of the archives. It's pure comedic gold.

[@andrewshepherd1537]

@@ManvsHistory Out of curiosity, do you have any more stories that are just hilariously absurd?

[@dead_dog_chan]

Lovely history, however would the train car at the time be vestibule cars instead of the ones with open ends? Also the train cars doesn’t have any doors.

[@siirus2083]

Great video but i think you should be more precise when saying certain amounts of money, for example you said they typically made $500 from robbing passengers, that would equal over $14k today, and that is not obvious to everyone, keep up the good work though!😃

[@ManvsHistory]

Agreed. This was an older vid- I try and be better about that nowadays :)

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

I have no idea why but that Hogan Heroes joke was pretty great.

[@cheshirecat2641]

Choo, choo... 😂😂

[@Diaries_of_Hope]

Could you do women's clothing? And outifts