History-Makers: Thucydides

[@tyto9188]

..."They shared their latest playthrough of The Entitled Zeus Game." That, Blue, is one of the best lines on OSP, as a whole.

[@PatrickCervantez]

Next month, the update to Entitled Zeus Game will let you play co-op at Poseidon.

[@LocalMaple]

It’s high up there for Blue lines, definitely. Might be a little below: “I see your magic, And raise you ⚡️ Science ⚡️ “ Or their entire Shadow of the Colossus Animated. “It’s a danger noodle!”

[@twotimesj6478]

It’s a wonderful day in Ancient Greece, And you are a horny Zeus

[@vitaurea]

@@twotimesj6478 every woman in the "world": *o h n o*

[@crimsonpresents]

You beat me to the punch!

[@morgoth_bauglir]

Achievement unlocked: Blue's backstory

[@Reevazard]

More like "Achievement get" xD

[@badgal1990]

next upload is reds trope talks on epilogues.

[@witheredbonnie9268]

Now we need Red’s Backstory of how she got the idea to make this channel

[@gabriellesantiago6019]

1000th like

[@kingblob17]

I love your username

[@jimluebke3869]

"Luckily, the Internet is purpose-built for shouting into the void" So true!

[@tarrasquescroll9385]

That came at the moment I was at this comment

[@dilbertbilbertcrabbert1868]

We are in the comment section, after all.

[@CrimsonBlasphemy]

People get shocked then the void shouts back. And it has a different opinion.

[@whoknows7968]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Sorry, needed to get that out of my system.

[@purplehello98]

'"Luckily, the Internet is purpose-built for shouting into the void" So true!' Jim shouts, into the void

[@Armaggedon185]

Even history books don’t want to finish themselves.

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

DONT REMIND ME... argh

[@robertnichols2283]

Banzai Bot ... because History is never finished.

[@richmcgee434]

@@robertnichols2283 Won't be anyone reading it when it is.

[@Russo-Delenda-Est]

I remember somebody wrote "in case of flood, stand on this book" in one of my high school history books. Still makes me chuckle.

[@rozeico]

If the person writing a history book doesn't even want to finish it, then why should we have to either

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Legends say that Thucydides and Herodotus would jointly teach the people. Although, Herodotus was more into talking about stories and tropes, ending all his lectures with "...so...yeah", and Thucydides was a lot more into the history talk. He also really insisted upon Sparta. Like, he would find a way to talk about it somehow in most of his lectures. You don't need to cite my sources. Just trust me.

[@arandomcomment1092]

This has to be the pinned comment.

[@justifiedsmile52]

Did you just....

[@TheGamingBDGR]

I havent seen your comments in a awhile and honestly I was starting to worry. I hope the Guy without a mustache is doing well too, havent seen him in awhile either.

[@lucymay56]

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[@dwaynebaniqued2562]

Oh hello

[@ImperatorIke573]

Here's a story my professor once told me about how she got into teaching history: As a college student she was given a History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides and LOVED IT. She loved it so much her classmates would visit her in her dorm and she would help them understand the material in her class. Fast forward a decade or so and she finds herself at a garage sale where she found a couple copies of a History of the Peloponnesian War, she bought one and another older gentleman was buying one too. She got into a conversation with him and she asked him why he was buying it, he said when he was in college he read it as a history major, he wanted to see if it was still as terrible as he remembers and he claims he hated it so much he switched majors

[@artofthepossible7329]

XD That's certainly a reason to buy a book.

[@MrElionor]

Are they married now?

[@ImperatorIke573]

@@MrElionor Oh no lol she started a family with someone else, or should I have just agreed with you and said yes? 🤣

[@MrElionor]

@@ImperatorIke573 Would make for a better story now I am not sure what the point of your last paragraph was?

[@ImperatorIke573]

@@MrElionor The point was she got into teaching because she loved it so much, but when he took a class with that as required reading he hated it so much he changed his major

[@lirazel6414]

I became so enamored with Thucydides' book -- read in a philosophy class about war and peace -- that I asked the professor to let me read an excerpt aloud in class. I chose the bit about how some bored Athenians who were waiting out a storm in a little cove began building a fort *because they were bored* and provoked one of the greatest battles of the war. The descriptions of the battle are as exciting as any movie. The moral pointed by my professor is that much of history just happens by accident. So yes! Please! How about the Theban Band next?

[@lsedge7280]

Wait which battle was this?

[@_jpg]

​@@lsedge7280The Battle of Pylos, you really have to read about it, it's hilarious 😂

[@erilobar]

'Let's do some History' or, as the Spartans would say: *'HISTORY'*

[@nickmalachai2227]

They're quite laconic, yes.

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

This. Is. HISTORY

[@clockworkkirlia7475]

Laconic.

[@emblemblade9245]

Or as the Athenians would say: “HIS-TORY”

[@tortis6342]

@@nickmalachai2227 I love the word laconic.

[@albertamalachi3560]

Thucydides: "I need to finish thi~" _ded_ Xenophon: _hides Thucydides under a table_ "...and after all of that. We'll continue." _clears throat_

[@marianmeletlidiscrap]

*Among Us killing noise intensifies*

[@phastinemoon]

Xenophon doing a “Weekend at Bernie’s” for Thucydides’ book

[@karfsma778]

ooh, that new intro

[@AspienPadda]

Boo hoo I don't like it... though I just don't like change overall... so I'll probably get used to it

[@jackgrufferty1235]

Yeah its really nice, then the greek lets do some history

[@fawaaza.7743]

@@AspienPadda OK Sheldon.

[@AspienPadda]

Actually no @@fawaaza.7743 it's literally in my username...

[@wanderingrandomer]

Is it a new intro? I thought it was just a segue into the topic

[@abthedragon4921]

"...Red graciously let me channel this new enthusiasm into my first ever history video. It is very bad and I am sorry that it exists" Well Blue, considering how great you are doing now and the fact that you made a more polished version later, I don't think it really matters how "bad" the start was.

[@kenna176]

People who are freaking out about starting a channel because they're afraid of being bad need to understand this.

[@AegixDrakan]

Everyone starts somewhere. There's no shame in things being rough at the start. :P

[@phastinemoon]

I’ll be honest - I don’t care for the Shakespeare videos. When Red started with the animated sketches, THAT is where I got invested. A similar evolution occurred with Radio Dead Air and Lindsay Ellis’ channel - which is to say that channels and creators change and THAT’S FINE!

[@Healermain15]

@@kenna176 When you start you have no subscribers anyway, so nobody will see the terrible stuff!

[@kenna176]

S Heutink Plus one day you can do a react/"look how much I've improved!" video.

[@vacuous1331]

As a person who grew up in Greece i took how fun history was as a granted... thanks ancient greek historians you made my school years a bit less miserable!

[@matthewjohnson4583]

Helps when your culture basically started western history

[@moonwolf8470]

@@matthewjohnson4583 ironic that Greece is just a old man with his crippling debts and his glory days becoming a shadow of himself

[@HiHello-jo8tp]

Ah yes, "Ma Boi", one of the most honorable of historic titles

[@xercesshal]

Wish someday I'd be worthy of 'Ma boi'

[@dinodude6992]

"I want a untitled Zeus game" -zeus

[@timothymclean]

We know what he's like, so he only gets an ENtitled Zeus Game.

[@Sofiaode18]

@@timothymclean And in this game you fly around Greece trying to find attractive girls to fuck over!

[@morganrobinson8042]

Basically a dating sim but there are only bad ends, no exclusivity in relationships or even consent, and eventually one of your offspring kills you through sheer statistical certainty.

[@timothymclean]

@@morganrobinson8042 Zeus was surprisingly good at avoiding that end-look at how he handled Thetis. I'd say a dating sim where your partners all meet bad ends but none of them count as game overs.

[@morganrobinson8042]

@@timothymclean The Thetis thing is exactly my point. Eventually he's got to sire something capable and desirous to kill him. He's got literally forever to try and his behavior guarantees it. Eventually he's hit the karmic retribution jackpot. Besides Kratos.

[@jackukridge5381]

Entitled Zeus game is just Zeus in a variety of animal disguises trying to score while Hera tries to catch him.

[@xercesshal]

Hahahaha I'll spend days playing that

[@Great_Olaf5]

You know, that actually sounds like a half decent H-game concept, thigh if it keeps on the animal disguises I probably wouldn't play it...

[@poop696969poop]

Instead of 3 Zeus' in a trenchcoat, it's just Zeus in three animal disguises

[@Potato-pn8sg]

I'm thinking Resident Evil + dating sim

[@jacthing1]

​@@Potato-pn8sg With Hera as Mr X?

[@borantandogan5524]

blue's laughter at absurd moments of history is absolutely contagious and fills me with joy

[@serenissima4092]

I'm Greek and I had to read both Thucydides and Xenophon in the original for my high school Ancient Greek classes. Thucydides' sentence construction is so complex it gives you a migraine and the text is drier than the Sahara desert. Xenophon on the other hand, is truly a joy to read. Much simpler sentences, without losing anything in depth and gravity. And the events are narrated in such an immediate and exciting way that sometimes you think you're reading an adventure novel - and yet it all happened!

[@allanolley4874]

I'm glad you acknowledged how complicated Thucydides Greek can be, I remember once having to translate a short excerpt in the class textbook that was basically impossible, it basically consisted of two dozens repetitions of indefinite articles in various declensions with a few negations etc. thrown in "My plan for this work is not this but this by way of this so that this and not that." this was supposed to make sense apparently (it is actually part of his explanation of his plan and style of work). Of course not all of his writings achieved that level of impenetrability another excerpt used in the same text book (copying from a translation I found on-line translator one Richard Crawley) goes: "For I suppose if Lacedaemon [Sparta] were to become desolate, and the temples and the foundations of the public buildings were left, that as time went on there would be a strong disposition with posterity to refuse to accept her fame as a true exponent of her power... Still, as the city is neither built in a compact form nor adorned with magnificent temples and public edifices, but composed of villages after the old fashion of Hellas, there would be an impression of inadequacy. Whereas, if Athens were to suffer the same misfortune, I suppose that any inference from the appearance presented to the eye would make her power to have been twice as great as it is." [because Athens had a lot more magnificent temples with large stone foundations.] from Book I, Chapter 1, section X. So Thucydides may not have been much of an anthropologist, but as an archaeologist I mentioned this to commented this is a worthwhile insight in Archaeology. My other favourite Thucydides quote is attributed by a later (Roman era) author Dionysius of Halicarnassus "`ιστορια φιλοσοφια 'εστιν 'εκ παραδειγματων" ("history is philosophy by way of examples")

[@gabrielreed1096]

For Trope Talk: Can you guys go over a musical trope called "Dies Irae". It's a musical trope with orgins over a millenium old, and is practically evrywhere un music scores. It's honestly amazing and I get super excited whenever a score uses it. The Dies Irae is the themesong for the Shining. It's used in Star wars and plenty of other movies. It is easily able ti be recognized as the whistle chant that AURORA sings in Frozen's "Into the Unknown". It would be pretty cool ig you guys could do a video on it

[@idkanymore12]

Sounds really interesting!

[@jennifermckay5585]

the channel Sideways did a video on it. Very interesting topic.

[@timothymclean]

Try asking Diva of the Musical Hell channel. Musicals are, unsurprisingly, her thing.

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

@@jennifermckay5585 I agree, Sideways adores the Dies Irae

[@AB-dm1wz]

@@jennifermckay5585 Which video?

[@kosta1123]

I'm greek and your accent on that " ας κάνουμε ιστορία " was really good.

[@justablexican]

Greece be like: imagine being one unified nation

[@TheHunterOfYharnam]

well since we weren't the hre im fine with it

[@AnarchHive]

Ancient Greece: Imagine being a nation together - not my style! - Renaissance Italy liked that - The modern United Kingdom will remember that

[@jrodriguez1374]

Madness!

[@regrettablemuffin9186]

Greece... or the US now

[@vixennti]

America: I know right, so funny.

[@casual-owl]

Blue: "Go read the Iliad." Me: *is in the middle of Book 22*

[@cryptidflower9240]

Do you get people asking you why on earth you are subjecting yourself to that?

[@simonx6767]

@@cryptidflower9240 Because The Iliad is an amazing book. It features a talking horse.

[@stripedblueoranges525]

What version of it is good to start with?

[@cryptidflower9240]

@Simon X I know I’m reading it that’s why I’m asking because I get asked all the time 🤣 also correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the Iliad cut off before the horse shenanigans (I haven’t finished it)

[@casual-owl]

@@stripedblueoranges525 I've been reading the Robert Fagles translation. I'm no expert, though.

[@Kazuma11290]

"The internet is purpose built for shouting into the void" This is the most accurate description of the internet I have ever heard.

[@thomasscaife6867]

Since he is mentioned in this video, I would like to share my favorite quote from Xenophon: "he made it honorable to steal as many cheeses as possible..." - on Lycurgus's Spartan Laws.

[@UpSky2]

Notable later quote: "That will take care of itself" - provided it is churned and renneted.

[@UpSky2]

Oh, also: "...he ordered others to beat these (the stealers of cheeses)."

[@satanherself831]

"Why am I up at one am?" asked the Americans to the Australian; For this. And nothing else.

[@erieperry8241]

PSSST! Hey guys! I think Blue likes domes

[@DHTheAlaskan]

I am starting to think the same thing

[@loganitee6046]

I myself am also a domosexual

[@lyreparadox]

@@loganitee6046 Don't you mean Duomosexual?

[@arandomqueerfanpeep7655]

Blue? Likes domes? Noo

[@sabrinaattwood510]

Feels a little out of character don’t you think?

[@annafraser6894]

I've never been this early so I have no joke prepared

[@ravenanimations3176]

Last time I was this early Zeus hadn’t starting f*cking over Greece, figuratively and literally.

[@voidpickle5684]

@Raven Animations well,he did it before there was internet,so that just means you were never early.

[@woahbeelog]

69

[@arandomqueerfanpeep7655]

@@voidpickle5684 exactly

[@dreameater8548]

Blue: *pointing at some well-based narration of WWII or something like that* This is perfect BUT *pointing at Thucydides* I like this Also, your backstory was so moving, it almost made me cry. Such emotion

[@tomswiftyphilo2504]

Blue: flexes by saying 'lets do some history in greek' Also Blue: still mispronounces hop-li-te

[@lunevermeil1400]

You still not knowing where you were going after you had a major gives me such light & hope. That and how something and artistically grand as assassins creed could spur you into your current self. Beautiful backstory Blue 💙

[@acebalistic1358]

Imagine being a historian who dedicates there life to studying a historian who dedicated there life to studying a historian. There are historians out there like that

[@clockworkkirlia7475]

There are almost certainly historians who study this entire concept.

[@maxhaddock6227]

To be honest, your Ancient Greek and Italian history videos are some of my all-time favorite content that exists on the internet, so please do go make more of these things

[@jproud6]

History summarised: Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿please!

[@DrORRB-qm7fl]

J P I would love that

[@morganrobinson8042]

But then they would have to pronounce Welsh, and nobody wants to try that.

[@jefferygoldmann2643]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🐋

[@morganrobinson8042]

@@someonesdadwasstreaming304 Agreed, but it's an uphill fight, every time.

[@UpSky2]

I am not descended from the Morgans, but I say: YEAHY! to that.

[@noahweathers4408]

I have really enjoyed your videos on history and Red’s on literature and mythology. The two of you provide very down to Earth information on some fascinating tales, combining witty, entertaining humor with a genuine passion for your interests. I can’t thank you enough for all your dedication.

[@silverwolfe3636]

Last time I was this early, the Theodosian walls still stood unbreached.

[@arthasmenethil7208]

@@samrevlej9331 rookie. Last time I was this early there was a conflict regarding Rome vs Reme

[@Unknownfrencghost]

@@arthasmenethil7208 You complete and utter fool! Last time I was this early the Great Pyramids of Giza hadnt been built!

[@otarthemad1782]

I love your Greece content, but I also love your video game content. Id love to see you do a let’s play of the assassins creed game that takes place in Greece, along with a companion series lambasting the inaccuracies of its historical plot points!

[@keepperspective]

Me on the surface: Yay! New History makers! Blue backstory! My inner shadow: Josephus must come soon...

[@Osric24]

Josephus is a riot. Looking forward to his highly biased shenanigans!

[@DerOerdl]

"Tries to emulate the style but gives up halfway through, it's hilarious" - you know what else is hilarious? This video

[@maxbyrne8062]

I actually love this channel. It got me into history and mythology. Thanks for making awesome videos 👍🏻👍🏻

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

I can't even thank you enough for your channel and especially your videos about ancient Greece. I finished my BA degree in history, with a focus on ancient Greek and Roman history, about a decade ago and have ended up in the workforce in a completely different area (IT!). Your videos help me keep my base knowledge fresh on the subjects I love the most.

[@LadyOMyth]

It's okay to miss talking about Ancient Greece, Blue. Honestly, I've missed you talking about it.

[@Vexclorion]

Your athenian empire video and Alcibiades video is how I found you when j was in college and matched up perfectly with my class on ancient Greece at the time! I'm grateful for them, it's how I discovered this channel!

[@Neptune0404]

8:58 I don't know if it's just because it caught me so much of guard but this made me laughing so hard one of my roomates checked to see if I was ok. Also I'm reading Thucydides' book for school this semester so having some background info is nice. (It also adds fuel to my theory of OSP stalking me and making videos relevant to my life as this is like the 17th time a video has been made just as the video's subject becomes relevant to me .... I'm on to you OSP)

[@biteso2333]

Oo more lore!! We just started a subject on the peloponessian War in my classics class!

[@jacobgraves3823]

Finally getting to watch one of these the day of release, two minutes after it's upload no less

[@X3._.n3]

Blue's over sarcasm is particularly on point in this video

[@rozeico]

Ah yes. Learning college level ancient history while avoiding finishing my work in my college level early modern history class. What could I possibly be doing better with my life than this

[@zanka53]

Prolly one of my favourite series on KZbin. Partially because it lets me score extra points with my history teachers so thanks for carrying me through my Abitur, Blue!

[@alexisk.nielson9985]

I don't think anything will ever be as funny to me as 10:32

[@KaiserAfini]

History and philosophy are some of my greatest passions. It really makes me happy that you found a book that showed you how awesome it can be.

[@haise12]

oh, so he's like the first "source: dude trust me" guy

[@thomase640]

Good night.

[@e4arakon]

I am your god

[@thewanderer5506]

I don't mean this to sound like an insult, but your voice is so soothing Blue. I've put on your history playlist countless times to fall asleep to

[@sentientmarshmallow4644]

8:54 “the absence of romance in my history, I fear will detract somewhat from its interest” Way to uphold this amatanormative society, Thucydides geez

[@ichimaru96]

amata-what-ative? is that where you normalise amaterasu

[@sentientmarshmallow4644]

Dylan Fell amatonormativity the societal assumption and pressure that everyone enjoys, desires, and needs a romantic relationship in life

[@ichimaru96]

@@sentientmarshmallow4644 Oh...i'm Not touching that with a ten foot pole

[@BonaparteBardithion]

Honestly, it just follows the same thinking big-budget movies do now. If you want it to be popular it's gotta have a romantic subplot (even though a significant portion of the audience finds them distracting).

[@angemartin6302]

I was waiting for this video for some time. I was pretty much one of the few people in my ancient politics class who actually liked History of the Peloponnesian War. It’s one of those books where you either really love it or you really hate it.

[@MeatGuyJ]

Economics? If you kept studying you would have been Green. Ha ha, **stonks**

[@emmahippe5058]

« Enough about little old me » come on you guys have had a bigger impact on my love of history and mythology than any of the big names and people.

[@timothymclean]

1:15: The caption guy didn't even try. That's hilarious.

[@chaotik7853]

Im trying to remember if I see you in every OSP video or every tfs video. . . either way we have similar tastes

[@timothymclean]

@@chaotik7853 I don't comment on _every_ video on either channel. But I do engage with the KZbin comment section more often than most psychiatrists would advise.

[@reyonXIII]

Indigo spares no expense in snarky editor's notes

[@user-me5fh3yu1j]

One of the best things about Blue is his sense of amazement and appreciation for all of these amazing things, while still being fair and not glossing over the flaws of those same people, countries, and books.

[@sentientmarshmallow4644]

Ooo some OSP history, I feel so honored.

[@pyrosianheir]

Some delightful backstory for the channel! Always fun to hear people talk about how they got to where they are now, particularly KZbinrs. Also, I would 100% buy a copy of Thucydides with a cover like that. Probably finally read it, too. XD

[@fedoramaster6035]

5:05 I’m an amateur, so my opinion here Carries literally no weight, but I feel like Herodotus’s method is actually better in the long run. For one, he’s not making any judgment whatsoever. He’s just writing down what he heard, and leaving analysis to future historians. Which is totally fine, because historians analyze every source, even if it seems trustworthy in the first place. On top of that, historians tend to write their histories through the lense that they worked in. If Thucydides were a playwright, he would have talked much more about Pericles and his speeches than he did brasidas and soldiers. Herodotus doesn’t have that issue, because he’s just a vessel for stories. Basically, my logic here is this: unless you were actually there (and not even then sometimes), there’s no way to tell if a source is 100% accurate. And there’s all sorts of theories and biases that existed in Greece that no longer exist now. Thucydides told the story of the Peloponnesian war through the lense of an armchair general. Herodotus told whatever stories he heard through the lense of whoever the hell told them. There are a lot of misconceptions about Ancient Greece that were started because of the way Thucydides wrote. If you ask me, our modern, two dimensional view of classical Greece as either red team or blue team is because of Thucydides.

[@eliefhr]

Well Said

[@AnaxErik4ever]

*clap clap clap* Thank you Thucydides for getting our favorite sarcastic Blue Boy interested in classical history, and world history research in general. I loved that little book opening to Blue's opening paragraph for his script; it reminds me of Mythology and Fiction Explained, a channel that has researched (in depth) into a lot of mythical and important folklore/fantasy origins for literary characters that Red has covered. Most recently, they (M&F Explained) uploaded a summation of Dante's Inferno, with annotations about Christian/Greco-Roman mythology inspiration and the world building within the Nine Circles; the key take away I had from there was the inspiration for The Tree of the Dead in Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow, which likely came from the punishment in the Seventh Circle for those that committed violence against themselves (i.e. suicide): they are turned into gnarled dead trees that bleed blood instead of sap when cut open and can only speak when they are suffering as such. Many of the watchers, me included, are looking forward to summations of Purgatorio and Paradiso, and I recommended him to your channel for inspiration.

[@spencerruston406]

Only cares about the military and politics? r/hostorymemes would love him.

[@chaotik7853]

They probably do. I really hope they do

[@AxxLAfriku]

KAKAKAKAKAKAK this is wonderful! PRANK! It is terrible! I looked in the mirror and saw something UNPRETTY: my face. KAKAKAKAKAKA! But I am happy agayn because I have TWO HOT GIRLFRIENDS and I use them to get views on my videos! KAKAKAKAK!!! Good day, dear soen

[@DrLennieSmall]

@@AxxLAfriku I see that you are still doing this. Everywhere. No matter the context.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@AxxLAfriku what ARE you?!

[@philpol4101]

AxxL ok we get it you’re ugly and have two hot girlfriends

[@BaldricOutremer]

The History of the Peloponnesian War is pretty much the book that started my interest in Ancient Greek works. I absolutely loved it. It's true that the style can be described as rather dry, but I think that it goes well with the very rational and analytical approach of Thucydides. It's also true that the speeches appearing in the books are of dubious authenticity, and that Thucydides probably used them to convey general ideas and feelings, and didn't try to quote what had really been said in the most accurate manner. But the speeches are such masterpieces of rhetoric that their absence would diminish the book.

[@kortmann9]

9:54 Very relatable moment from Xenophon.

[@Rockstar-bq5fm]

You know I’d really love to see you guys do a video on Xenophon’s Anabasis. That would be a fantastic video

[@xenon8927]

"entitled zeus game" someone make a mod

[@timothymclean]

Might be tricky to do, considering the kinds of games Zeus gets up to...

[@lirazel6414]

@@timothymclean... especially as a waterfowl!

[@christianfarren1179]

Lirazel64 Sadly, *that* makes more sense than when he turned into a literal rain of gold coins to sleep with a woman.

[@demonheart13]

Who's to say the goose isnt already Zues faffing about. He got into all kinds of shape shifting phenomenon

[@CG-tx2io]

legit just studying good ole Thucydides - great timing you guys ;)

[@lilycrawford]

The Athens emblem is an owl, as in Athena, the patron of Athens. Goddammit Blue you did it again

[@ArcaneAvian19]

Well that's because Athens also used an owl as their symbol. He's just using the symbol Athens used.

[@theanimeunderworld8338]

Look how far you've come, Blue. Good for you

[@MrArgy333]

In the panhellenic exam (its like the SATs of Greece at the end of highschool) students have to translate a text from ancient attic Greek to modern Greek. The thing is that its a text that they do not study during their courses, but one they see for the first time during the exam. I remember that every year students were praying that it would not be a passage from Thucycides' work because my dude was writing like a 14 year old angry girlfriend. He would not use a period for the life of him, but also use very strange vocabulary. On the other hand everyone wanted Xenophon as his way of writing was far simpler. Of course when I took my exam it ended up being a Thucydides passage and Im still mad about it.

[@milesph6905]

I didn't know how much I needed to hear Blue speaking Greek until I heard it.

[@TheLacedaemonian300]

Thucydides is Ma Boi as well. His book changed my life. It's simply brilliant.

[@helenwalter6830]

If there is one thing I took away from my freshman history class, it's that no one will love me as much as my history teacher loved Thucydides.

[@merrychristmasreaper]

At some point I heard "Thiccydides", and now I can't help but imagine dummy thicc historians goofing off

[@boolossus2436]

This channel is helping my brother get all of my history references. Thanks

[@A_Salty_Fishe]

"Now you know better" _Knowing Better fans suddenly collectively gasp_

[@mikeoxsmal8022]

Daddy knowing better

[@SampatK164]

Omg. Right? If Blue watches Knowing Better, you know it's good shit!!

[@factsandlogic.8762]

8:06 I TELL YOU that line stabbed me 27 times and then brought me back to life *oh my gOD*

[@RainbowBoo42]

When my mom was still in high school she told my grandma she wanted to see the movie Grease my grandma went with my mom and her friends thinking it was a documentary about Ancient Greece

[@luthientinuviel3883]

I was in a skating duet doing Grease and I also thought it was about Greece -

[@RainbowBoo42]

Luthien Tinuviel Honestly if there was ever a Ice skating show about Ancient Greece I think Blue would be one of the first people in line for tickets

[@luthientinuviel3883]

@@RainbowBoo42 and I would love to be in it. I was so disapointed by our cotumes cause I wanted to dress in a Grecian style....

[@_oceanstar]

I was literally just rewatching some old videos and wanting some new content. my prayers have been answered

[@neiltobey1746]

"Plutarch took note of this because his characters f*quack" lol

[@skytra772]

I remember studying Athens and Sparta and dang it was awesome so just the fact this covers Greece is awesome

[@JoshSweetvale]

5:30... So the original Historian _immedeately_ jumped to Polandball/Hetalia anthromorphization. Classy.

[@haikuheroism6495]

Gosh these videos are good. They make me want to read thousands years old histories.

[@wargriffin5]

@9:37 Speaking of Xenophon, have you guys ever considered doing a video on the life/works of this guy?

[@luthientinuviel3883]

Ooo, yeah, I read a book about his departure from Persia and it was hella interesting!

[@TigerofRobare]

You can talk about Thucydides throwing shade at Herodotus all you want, but I think M I Finley put it best in his introduction to Rex Warner's translation for Penguin Classics in 1970: "After all, he paid his predecessor the highest compliment of beginning where Herodotus had left off, implying that there was no need to go over that ground again." Also, moving the treasury of the Delian League to Athens happened before Thucydides' narrative began, so I'm not sure how he glossed over it. It seems more like he deliberately ignored it, probably because it made Pericles look bad.

[@larenasheehan7465]

I'm requesting a history of Hellenica Xenophon just to complete the historical retelling. Really enjoying the history makers, Blue. Could I also request a stupor mundi OSP episode? I know controversial pick but very interesting history maker!

[@hessanscounty3592]

I am glad that Thucydides brought your awesome videos to us!

[@yodamcyoda]

Thucydides had some great quotes in his history, my favorite goes something like this: ”it was the rise of Sparta, and the fear this instilled in the hearts of Athenians which made war inevitable” Paraphrased as I haven’t read many 2000 year old books lately

[@TeutonicEmperor1198]

it was the other way around, ”it was the rise of Athens, and the fear this instilled in the hearts of Spartans which made war inevitable”

[@xercesshal]

@Norgafel @TeutonicEmperor1198 Only one of you could be right. This calls for a duel!

[@tylerdurden3722]

@@xercesshal whooa there cowboy... this is how Peloponesian wars are started.😅

[@xercesshal]

@@tylerdurden3722 as a self-proclaimed god of mischief, that was my plan all along

[@nickolaoskakos5181]

Surprisingly good pronunciation of the phrase "Ας κάνουμε ιστορία". Good job!

[@KyletheScott]

Blue: Talks about Greek History My Brain: Ooh I remember that from Assassin's Creed! Brasidas? more like BROsidas!

[@justifiedsmile52]

10:30 I knew it was coming. I would happily do something similar. I would cackle loudly as I pressed publish. *deep breath* but I am still SO ANGRY RIGHT NOW!! (Fun video, glad we got to hear about how you got involved!)

[@WolfofCannae]

Alternate title: Thucydides the creator of Blue

[@georgekaragiannakis6637]

Important to mention the modern coined term "The Thucydides Trap" to describe the increase friction and eventual hostilities when an emerging power threatens to displace an existing great power as hegemon.

[@TheBigBadBeowulf]

Hi historian here: there is no archeological evidence for Spartans yeeting their children off of cliffs. That rumor was probably started to make Spartans look barbaric compared to the other city-states. As far as we can tell there was no actual instance of this happening.

[@Elora445]

That reminds me of the "common knowledge" of the so called "ättestupan" in Swedish. It was supposed to be a place where people in ye olden times would make the old people throw themselves of a cliff (and/or where you threw them off the cliff). But, just as in your case - absolutely no archaeological evidence of it actually existing. Most likely it never did.

[@xavierfrendick6581]

In fairness, since the text about the baby pit came up during the discussion of possible bias, it might have been referring to supposed atrocities that would paint Sparta in an unfavorable light, not something that should be taken at face value.

[@xercesshal]

The mo' you know

[@UpSky2]

Wasn't there a reference in Plutarch's Life Of Lycurgus, about some sort of selection of children at birth, where they were examined... ? not that Life Of Lycurgus is anything much but Mythology... a-historical to a great degree - ?

[@libertycoffeehouse3944]

You are using presentism to analyze history. Thucydides is writing a book about war not women. Good historians do not use presentism to understand history. Marxist historians use presentism because they are trying to spark Revolution.

[@MrDCConn]

I will ALWAYS appreciate Classical Greece content!

[@WillyV089]

For April fools you should do a history of Greece, but ita actually on the musical Grease.

[@NotesFromTheVoid]

I've been hyped for this video since you announced it would be a thing on patreon. I love ancient greece and if you wanna talk about it more, go right ahead

[@pjmeis5226]

Would love to see a video about the aftermath of Alexander the Alright’s death and the collapse of his empire please!

[@tylerdurden3722]

A short video won't do it justice. What we need is a well financed HBO series. It'll knock Game Of Thrones off it's pedestal with ease.

[@cherryboo2560]

What a gift it really is to get an overly sarcastic Productions video on my birthday