HISTORY of the HMS BOREAS (1774)

[@akellasgarage7467]

Thank you Sir for another fascinating journey into my favorite historical period of the 18th century sailing fleet!

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

Thank you! Though to me, the 17th c is far more interesting.

[@JayJSMN-tz1nv]

Wonderful as always!!👍👍. Thank you!!

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

Thank you very much for the kind words! This encourages me to continue finding time to make these videos!

[@vermillionhugh]

Absolutely fascinating, thank you! Best wishes, Hugh.

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

Thank you for watching and commenting! So glad you enjoyed it

[@denisv4385]

The more we know the history of the ship we are building, the more the motivation and interest in naval modeling grows. All modelers should make an effort to know as much as possible about the ship they are building. Thank you for this overview!

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

Yes, indeed. To me the history of the ships, the actions they participated in, the general context of the period is of great interest

[@lor191ric]

Thank you Dr. Batchvarov a truly enjoyable 30 minutes spent listening to you share your knowledge about the Boreas, I look forward to your next video.

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

Thank you very much indeed! This is very kind of you!

[@craiggeddis9097]

Thanks for another interesting video.

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

Thank you! I am glad you enjoyed it

[@fredericrike5974]

Awesome! Keep it coming!

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

Oh, the problem is making me shut up, once I start talking :-)

[@andrewjones1649]

Dr Batchvarov. I did ask this in the chat section but I have no idea if that got recorded. Unusually, this isn't a question about the Mary Rose but His Majesty's Ship Victory. Is there a reasonably readily available book or publication which has drawings of Victory as she was before she was rebuilt with the enclosed stern we know her with today? I think she had open galleries as built? Thank you and regards Andy Jones.

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

I did see it and I answered, but perhaps you didn’t see my answer there. Besides the original drawings and model at the NMM, the Haines Guide to HMS Victory has the original stern, if memory serves me right

[@andrewjones1649]

@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist Thank you so much. I lost the chat section because the phone rang and by the time I finished dealing with that, your live broadcast had ended. Very enjoyable and educational as ever btw. Regards, Andy.

[@g-kip]

Thanks Kroum for you insights into the history of HMS Boreas and Nelson.

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

And thank you very much for watching!

[@cajunrandy2143]

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

Thanks!

[@Pocketfarmer1]

I remember reading somewhere that inspite of how unpleasant the life of Georgian seamen may have been, it was still a considerable raise above in the standard of living those men would have had on land. On another topic , have you ever heard the legend of the British frigate Macedonian becoming an hotel on City Island NY?

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

The book you have in mind is The Wooden Walls by Nicholas Rodger. It is outstanding piece of scholarship! No, I hadn’t heard about this. I do know that the Timbers from the American frigate Chesapeake became part of a mill, which I believe still stands, though I haven’t seen it personally.

[@Pocketfarmer1]

@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist Ah yes, the very book , thank you. As to the Macedonian , I first heard of it in a old Ripley’s believe it or not.

[@denisv4385]

There is a question I ask myself every time I see a video about ships from the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. Unless I'm mistaken the ships were made of oak and some ships could use up to 2000 to 3000 trees. With the huge number of ships on the seas at that time, was oak still available and was there an ecological impact? I imagine there was recovery when possible?

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

This is much debated question, actually. In truth, easily accessible timber became hard to get, but it was not an absolute running out of timber- just relative. In the Iberian peninsula, we have archaeological evidence for active forest management specifically for ship building since at least the 1460s, which means that the management was already practiced by the 14th century. In England, Evelyn, Pepys’ friend and fellow diarist, argued in favour of forestry management in the mid 17th century but to no result.

[@captaincruise8796]

The Royal Navy used copious amounts of timber for their day to day maintenance and construction, and by the mid-late 18th century they were forced to seek oak from abroad to keep up with wartime demands. They found plenty available from the Baltic and preemptively attacked the Danes twice during the Napoleonic wars to ensure this supply never became jeopardized. I’m sure there was ecological impact from all the timber being felled, but also management to an extent. They would also build emergency ships of fir and green, unseasoned wood when needed, resulting in shorter-lived ships that could be quickly fitted out and deployed. Also they could be built of teak from India, but these were unpopular as the splinter wounds from teak tended to turn gangrenous. The ideal oak timbers for a ship of the line would have to be about 200-300 years old, then properly seasoned for a few years; this suggests that no management plan could ultimately satisfy unlimited production. Perhaps if the Industrial Revolution didn’t happen when it did, the world would have run itself near out of trees by now as ever growing nations sought to build ever grander fleets of wooden warships?

[@RmDIrSudoSu]

A book that I highly regard as one of the best "condensed" of Lord Nelson's biography is the one written by Roger Knight, I've read multiple of his biography, but when I've to check something I quite often fetch that book. I don't know if you've read it what do you think about it ? As your knowledge on the subject is far greater than mine. Also N.A.M. Rodger's Wooden World is such a good read as are any of his books. I just found your channel with the video on Speedy and that was an instant sub, I was already subscribed to Olha's channel she's a very talented model builder.

[@Hellspijker]

you see also in the spithead mutanies, there where no complains about the punishments on ship. And from what I understand the punishment in the navy was lighter then as a civilian, allot of crimes on land where punished with hanging instead of flogging or other punishments in the navy.

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

The reputation of tue Navy for flogging, starvation and brutality is actually mostly due to 20th century writers. The reality was quite different.

[@captaincruise8796]

Interesting design tidbit, Boreas has a French-influenced plumb stem, far more vertical than the gently raking “scow” bow found on most British warships. This allowed for finer entry lines. I must say, the plumb stem looks much lovelier on a three-dimensional model than on the profile drawing.

[@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist]

The advantage of a vertical stem is that it carries the buoyancy further forward and thus is better able to support the mass in bow: bowsprit, Foremast, guns. This helps avoid pitching and hobby-horsing. And of course - hogging. It also lengthens the keel which makes a ship more stable on her course. However, it leaves little reserve buoyancy and might make for a wetter ship.