History of WWI Primer 038: Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher 1886 to 1888-90 Documentary

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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live
fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a
time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Model 1886
Cartridge: 11x58mmR
Capacity: 5 rnds
Length: 52"
weight: 10lbs
Model 1888/90
Cartridge: 8x50mmR
Capacity: 5 rnds
Length: 50.4"
weight: 9.9lbs
Additional reading:
Die Hand- und Faustfeuerwaffen der habsburgischen Heere
Erich Gabriel
Repetier- und Automatische Handfeuer Waffen
Konrad Edler von Kromar
Mannlicher Rifles and Pistols (tranlated from above)
Walter H. B. Smith
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[@umjackd]

"[The Boxer Rebellion] was the imperial social event of the century and every army that was any army had to be there. it was so embarassing if you didn't go and shoot at Chinese people." So many great Othais quotes this episode.

[@Candrsenal]

go me

[@patriot17764th]

ya hear it was big.

[@patriot17764th]

ya hear it was a big event eh?

[@alexs5744]

If you read anything on the Boxers they deserved it. They were thugs and bullies.

[@seanbeadles7421]

@@alexs5744 and the western powers in China weren’t bullies too? China was a violent mess back then (still is a mess but for entirely different reasons)

[@MrMzr-er7kb]

"Imperial social event of the century."

[@Candrsenal]

Bring your best uniform!

[@-oiiio-3993]

@@Candrsenal Und pickelhaube!

[@zagrosgh8641]

@@Candrsenal Please enable Persian subtitles for all your work.

[@NAATHAAN]

@@Candrsenal gonna get that new Stahlhelm drip

[@mo45327]

Austro-Hungarian reaction to the 71/84 was spot on xD

[@Candrsenal]

Yes, they adopted a repeater.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Love the shot when Mae shoulders the '86... Gotta love a big bore... "that's gonna hurt..... you could loose a war.... "..... love it.

[@Candrsenal]

Elbows are important.

[@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194]

Dude, when's the Werndl single shot rifle gonna be put in the show? Looking forward to it in 2018 or 2019.

[@BNRmatt]

"Old dirty Ferdy" had me rolling.

[@Candrsenal]

Did you hit any furniture?

[@C.macaraeg]

About to go to bed, but 1hr video on old school small arms? Rip sleeping schedule

[@blinkyoureyes1400]

We hardly knew thee....

[@Candrsenal]

my bad

[@joearnold6881]

I cant wait for the patent to run out on the Pokey Hand. I'm gonna make bank selling generic 'Pointy Hands'

[@Candrsenal]

good plan.

[@ZerokillerOppel1]

History classes by Othias and Mae. I love you guys. Your channel goes into so much depth!!! Highly informative!!!

[@maewinchester2030]

Thanks!

[@Biker_Gremling]

"I like the smell of black powder" - Mae 2016

[@Candrsenal]

yes

[@hangonsnoop]

Is it better than napalm?

[@-oiiio-3993]

​@@hangonsnoop Or Cordite?

[@3asianassassin]

@@hangonsnoop considering something's dead and not suffering agony, yes

[@robertneal4244]

What I really like about these rifles is the magazine system. While it was a compromise from what Mannlicher originally wanted, it works. Also when the clip falls from the magazine. it acts as a warning to the shooter that they are on the last cartridge BEFORE you pull the trigger. In the chaos of war things like this helps you keep your composure for continuing to fire and replace magazines. It also doesn't fly up with a loud "ping" like the M1 Garand, which can alert nearby enemies that you are changing magazines. Great video as always.

[@ItsBodin]

Robert Neal seeing a silent clip falling from your rifle during a battle isnt going to happen due to the fact your aiming down sight and the rifle will block that view. During the time of the M1 war was so chaotic that that little ping sound would be the last thing you hear because you know screaming gun shots artillery.

[@SigurdKristvik]

I agree with Krisobro98, M1 Garand are battle rifles, they are not meant for commandos anyway. and that's WW2, not WW1 where commando operations were not invented tactically.

[@gannonwoods2456]

The Garand clip ping is an absolute myth. No one can hear your ping in battle, the enemy does not recognize the sound, and even if you are out of ammo, your other 9 squad mates aren't. Please stop repeating this horrible lie

[@gannonwoods2456]

I disagree. The M1 was far more reliable than the g41 or g43. It was also more accurate than the svt40. It's easier to load an M1 too

[@diobrando2575]

jpc1918 it was the type 38 arisaka.

[@Darkrunn]

I really like all of the context you give to each gun design. The company history, designer bio, military trials and adoption, etc.. It's one thing to just make a "review" of the gun, and many gun channels stop there, but you guys really go the extra mile and teach the history of firearms. Reminds me of the old "tales of the gun" documentary series I used to watch as a kid, back when history channel was a channel about history.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

That time seems like a distant memory now

[@Indiskret1]

Such incredible detail in the presentation, lovely!

[@ThePac7278]

I am really enjoying these! Keep em' coming!

[@Candrsenal]

ok

[@nicholaslimpf9615]

I haven't seen every episode yet but this is by far my absolute favorite and you guys are amazing

[@ericswain70]

Love the idea of looking forward to future episodes.Great work you guys.

[@Candrsenal]

If you're happy, we're happy. and busy.

[@tohairylittlewomen]

Great series! So informative and entertaining.

[@jeyendeoso]

Maybe in the future you guys could do a "Mae's top 10 rifles", "Othais top 10 handguns" and some other short things like these :)

[@jabben00]

|T-Bside| Jey XP Maybe not a top ten because everyone and their dad has made one of those already.

[@Candrsenal]

We will do some sort of recap episode but probably not "top ##." They do well on KZbin but I feel like those rankings often lack nuance.

[@rainemaiefall3081]

C&Rsenal Mayhaps you could do a "favorites series" also, not necessarily the best rifles. I would just like to see what Mae and Othais' favorite weapons are.

[@evandaire1449]

The reichsrevolver would definitely win.

[@shilelea]

I like the current format and don't want any manpower taken away from it

[@solaireofaustria6174]

Thanks for this amazing video about the grandfathers of the M95. Since I'm Austrian, it's always exiting for me to watch vids about austrian military rifles. Own 3 M95's (1 rifle and 2 carbines, 8x56 mmR) myself and boy are they fun to shoot. Also I'm already looking forward to your Werndl and M95 videos ;)

[@Candrsenal]

Good to hear you're enjoying it! M.95's are next.

[@solaireofaustria6174]

thanks :D

[@Fawnarix]

These have been my favorite looking rifles and I've wanted to learn much more about them. Thank you for putting this out.

[@Candrsenal]

We're glad you enjoyed it!

[@betaich]

Hey you nailed the pronunciation of the names Franz and Josef and also the Waffenfabrik congratulations, now you have unlocked the inner German achievement. :D Also thank you and Mae (hopefully I wrote that right) for the great content. I always wondered about the development during and just before WW1 for small arms.

[@ryangilmour3406]

This is my new fav channel

[@haboob308]

Another good'n! Thanks for the work and effort.

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks for watching!

[@philp8872]

Discovered your channel a few days ago. As an Austrian who is mostly into hunting with classic rifles (especially Mannlicher-Schönauers) but also has great interest in history of firearms and WWI, I must say your research and knowledge is awesome. I knew about all these guns and names but not in that depth and context. Thank you for doing this, keep up the great work. Not sure if you knew this, "Schritt" means "step" or "pace", in this particular case it means "footstep". An Austrian Schritt equals to 0,8 meter, I don´t think it has anything to do with the anglo-american imperial system. It´s an old unit mostly used by the military. (And up to this day sometimes hunters use it to describe an estimated distance, for example saying: "I shot that deer at a distance of about 100 steps".)

[@MrPaul-bn9cl]

This channel is great. Keep up the good work!

[@Candrsenal]

Thank you, we'll try.

[@williamprince1114]

Well done as usual. You spoil us.

[@user-ix3en1zd7n]

Really neat video, thanks for the history

[@john__lemon]

I love your series! Please carry on into the wars after WWI!

[@Candrsenal]

We will but that's a long way away.

[@woodsmanforlife1677]

Very good info, thanks for posting!

[@Oivindjensen]

Josef Werndl had a lovely moustache, just saying :)

[@Candrsenal]

right?

[@mattmitchell9379]

You know, I stayed up late working last night, all the while hoping to see the new upload, and mere moments after I relent and go to sleep, you post. Oh this fickle game you play Othais.

[@Candrsenal]

render time is a bitch

[@ThePlaceCannel]

Thank you Mae

[@genericpersonx333]

I am still at a loss as to how these people can create such long videos and keep them interesting throughout. Props.

[@Candrsenal]

Dumb luck

[@baanimations3689]

Blood Sweat and Tears :D

[@direraven1831]

Mannlicher is such a amazing man i love him and this gun.

[@Candrsenal]

me 2

[@krowerQ]

Great work!

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@monkeyfarmer1138]

Oh Yes...I have been waiting for this one. I mean, I've been waiting for all of them, but I've been anticipating this one especially.

[@Candrsenal]

How did it go?

[@monkeyfarmer1138]

Awsome. "Ol' Dirdy Ferdy" Mannlicher was a genius.

[@carsonfischer7010]

othais you are one amazing and funny dude, keep up the good work

[@Candrsenal]

Funny? I'm 100% serious man.

[@TwentythreePER]

I need to start a straight pull collection. These are soo cool!

[@Candrsenal]

do it

[@peterlynch1458]

"Watch out for Prussia, holy crap!" Should come with its own little video like "War were declared". Would also make a great t-shirt with Othais' and Mae's faces going AAAAHH! and the C&Rsenal logo and website.

[@Candrsenal]

I'd need a better catch phrase on that....

[@peterlynch1458]

It's a good one as is IMO. When I heard it on this video, I thought "hey he says that in a lot of videos". So it's catchy.

[@dylanjames6781]

Man you're the best! Keep this up! Btw, every time you grunt i think to myself "now that's a dad noise right there"

[@mattmarzula]

You guys (and gals) do such great quality work in weapons' education. I am pleased to view and subscribe.

[@Candrsenal]

Happy to have you!

[@arseneken]

Sometimes I go back and rewatch my favorite episodes, this is one of them. I think it’s time to redo the mannlicher series!

[@trauko1388]

Your pronunciation of "Jose Manuel Balmaceda" was flawless, very impressed!

[@NeptuneBluez]

Straight-pull rifles are fun to shoot. Good review as always.

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@wagon9082]

Good video

[@roobulator5611]

I love when you say "War Were Declared".

[@chefemilj]

Thanks for the history

[@josephnardone1250]

Want to say that your animation was quite sophisticated.

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@aryanekovei]

This was an amazing video, I really wish we could get a full video on the Werndl-Holub single shot rifle, specifically it's History in Persia (Austria Hungary tried to supply Persia's Military for a while).

[@Candrsenal]

There will be one.

[@R.K.Chowdhury]

I am loving it...

[@JonManProductions]

What song is being played while Mae was firing? o3o also ah crap, it's Prussia.

[@Candrsenal]

Kärntner Liedermarsch

[@drakinclaq]

You really should look into selling your voice for other dubbing/recording work. Another GREAT video. Thanks guys!

[@Candrsenal]

ok, this is different from the usual Kermit complaints

[@611_hornet5]

"Dirty Ferdy" Brilliant

[@danielnauta5689]

This episode definitely needs to be reworked

[@ProjectD13X]

You nailed the pronouciation of gesellschaft by the way!

[@VeraceSzK]

ANCAP!

[@ProjectD13X]

Suh dude

[@mikeoxsmal8022]

ProjectD13X ancoms >>>>ancaps

[@yourcrazyuncledave8967]

4

[@shadows96100]

Glad to see that 3d animations are here to stay.

[@Candrsenal]

I liked this one a lot.

[@baanimations3689]

I'm glad you're glad you like my work :)

[@taterporkchop]

Another classic. You guys are out doing yourself from episode to episode. Mae showing up in Othais-clothing at the end was a nice touch. I too appreciate a pistol grip on my rifles. Have I mentioned I'm waiting for a SMLE presentation?

[@Candrsenal]

That's just her shirt?

[@baanimations3689]

Clearly you have a monopoly on flannel shirts

[@primaltempest9218]

Can't wait until the Gewehr or Mannlicher M95. Looking forward to seeing what is different ergonomically and functionally.

[@Candrsenal]

already prepped.

[@konasteph]

You two are a great team! Also treated the country where I was born with respect (not everyone does) ....you didn't mention that the Austrian K.u.K army was considered an "operetta army" by the huns to the north. Anyway, I watched the whole thing beginning to end and never felt bored! At some points in my life I was sniffing around the thought of acquiring a Steyr Mannlicher rifle...but then what? having it hanging there? I was in the Austrian military and didn't like it that much.... By the way you might perhaps mention that the Steiermark....the province where they were made has a steel making tradition that reaches back into ..well the iron age. The first higher quantity steel production for swords, tools and armor in the middle ages took place there due to the local very suitable iron ore deposits. Thanks again! Great video!!!

[@daddanet74]

great.... Thanks for the video

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks for watching!

[@poppasquat8483]

Fantastic presentation as usual! Serbian Djuric Mauser m80/07C episode I hope one day

[@Candrsenal]

I don't think there is one in the US?

[@Bojan_Kavedzic]

IIRC someone on gunboards had one in pretty bad state however.

[@poppasquat8483]

there was someone who had one i decent shape but have not responded to my PM or been active in a few years. MMROTW will have the name of the person who lent thers to be photographed for the book

[@stephen9869]

Another good one guys :-)

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@Aphain]

15:57 Glorous, just glorious.

[@trenchfighter8778]

been here since i saw the first episode link fro mthe great war still going stong guys nice work

[@Candrsenal]

Glad to know we are keeping the same people as we expand

[@trenchfighter8778]

im also in your Mumble server

[@planescaped]

It always amazes me that just some grooves, or in the Mannlicher's case, a wedge, can support a freaken rifle cartridge firing in a pressurized barrel with breaking, bending or flying open.

[@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart]

Take a look at the Degtyarev (?) 28 machinegun.

[@allreddan]

Best line of today, "That's gotta hurt. You could lose a war."

[@Candrsenal]

well....

[@glynwelshkarelian3489]

Hope I'm not the first to say: "You could lose a wart!" is one of the best lines I have so far heard on this here t'internet.

[@baronmagroth758]

Thank you you Mae for all that standing there and then all that shooting you do for us .... We need more Mae yes more Mae and more shooting ... Yes Lots more Shooting

[@Candrsenal]

but how would you hear me talk?

[@Gunsbeerfreedom87]

"You could lose a war" Ever shoot expensive gin out your nose Othias? I don't recommend it.

[@Candrsenal]

Liquor Netty Pot.

[@baanimations3689]

Sounds painful

[@bludeuce3855]

@@baanimations3689 i dont wanna imagine

[@mikeryan9479]

Hello, from rainy old England. Quick question: I've just purchased a mint condition 1886 mannlicher in the original 11.15 x 58 R but I am having a hard time finding the original enbloc clips for her ! Do you have any suggestions where I could find some ? Keep up the good work !

[@twogunsnoammo8419]

The bicycle ring got me.

[@cranberrypawnch]

An hour long video on election day, thank god.

[@Candrsenal]

Yeah, it's been a crazy season.

[@caseyreavis]

What's your primary source of ammunition for oddball rounds like 11x58r? I'm sure there's a lot of hand loading involved but who makes brass for those rounds?

[@drummersc84]

The brass is made by Bertram.

[@bboyshr6]

thoroughly enjoyed it. Was tempted to go straight to meat & potatoes (diagrams and shooting) and the final commentary as dessert...but the soup was good as well

[@Candrsenal]

Glad to hear

[@gavindavies793]

During the long historical sections, do you work to a full script, bullet-point notes, or is it all from memory? Either it's all an incredible feat of memory, or you have a very smooth and natural delivery. Really enjoyable watching, keep up the great work :)

[@Candrsenal]

Bulleted script-ish thing.

[@IonoTheFanatics]

It's great to see a more elaborate explanation like these because it gives ppl who aren't familiar with the condition of the time some idea as to why countries did what they did at the time. some ppl for example could not understand why every country didn't just convert all their primary rifle to use detachable magazine the moment the tech was available... concepts like resource, time, and general cost at a national scale is not something a lot of ppl have an idea and can imagine and it's great that we get these kind of things mentioned here to help them understand that it's often not as simple and straightforward as it seems.

[@Candrsenal]

Also that previous generations might well have known what was ideal

[@mossbergmaniac1947]

Yesssss, finally!

[@Candrsenal]

woo

[@M81_WOODLAND]

I'm still cleaning up the mess from when my head exploded upon learning the ejecting en bloc clip design wasn't original to the Grarand.

[@williamprince1114]

Technical question for your ammo master. Do you convert your cases from berdan to boxer? Or do you reform new brass? Or do you manage to find new production boxer primed brass? How about an episode on keeping these old rifles well fed?

[@Candrsenal]

I would actually like to talk about hand loading but Jay is a bit camera shy. Generally we use new or modified from new-ish brass and have not had to do a primer conversion just yet.

[@fhsreelfilms]

Okay, so one of these days, you've got to hold out your hands as you say "And THIS" and the gun just falls down into them. Sort of like those Old Spice commercials. *Ahem* On a more serious note, I love your channel.

[@bradrugg8705]

when are you going to release the poster? super keen to get one for Christmas!

[@maewinchester2030]

Keep an eye on the channel this week. We'll release an update video in the next few days.

[@MrCarsandguitars]

I had a hess truck as a child. One of my favorite toys.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Are y'all ever gonna do an episode on the Kongsberg Colt? Or will that be included in your 1911 video?

[@SigurdKristvik]

I know how you feel, I'm norwegian so I kinda want them to do it... but I don't think it was used in WW1 :P

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

***** It's likely it'll be a primer for WW2, as the Germans would have the Norwegians make them a bunch later. Or it will get a mention in the 1911 episode.

[@TheHandgunhero]

TheGoldenCaulk Doubt it, wasn't used in WW1. At most it will get a mention on the 1911 Episode.

[@Legoapollo13]

C&Rsenal can you get the mp18 and review and fire it because it was the first sub machine gun of the war and there was not much on youtube about it.

[@Emdee5632]

3:33 ''Joseph and Franz Werndl & Company, Arms Factory and Sawmill''

[@deltavee2]

Up there with "Anaheim, Azuza & Cucamonga Sewing Circle Book Review and Timing Association" Jan & Dean -

[@pilotgeorge2000]

Own an 1888, never been able to shoot it but I love it

[@pricklydingus8604]

*Oh. Oh yes.*

[@vasilzahariev5741]

Eric Brown Getting Man licked, huh?

[@66numero]

The "poum tata" music ine the background when Mae shoots, it is soooo Austrian. I feel like in a village party, drinking Puntigamer beer all afternoon with leather short pants.

[@paulmuhle5840]

It is interesting that the original Mannlicher straight-pull was a wedge lock. Did James Paris Lee use the same idea in his Winchester-Lee straight pull? His wedge lock was extremely strong, being able to with-stand cartridges of 60,000 psi.

[@edwardjennings6021]

I gotta get me one of these

[@greydonstautzenberger3901]

Keep it up

[@davitdavid7165]

Saw one of these in a museaum in georgia (country). Apperently used in the 1905-7 revolution

[@timotejkutnik3364]

Hello, are there some regimental markings on M1888 rifle? Or only bayonets were marked? Thanks

[@SkyPilot54]

Nice gun

[@zombiedestoryer8981]

hay guys love the video and are you guys going to some early simi auto rife of ww1

[@Candrsenal]

assuming we can find them in working order.

[@zombiedestoryer8981]

ok cool

[@MrBioniclefan1]

38:31 is that Magazine Lee Metford or a Magazine Lee Enfield in the background above the carbine model of a Gewehr 88?

[@poonczey]

the last time you tried to pronounce FÉG i had to rewind the video 3-4 times to understand what you said but now, altough 'butchered' i was able to understand it on your first try, without problems, so thank you for taking the time and effort to pronounce it! also kudos for the correct budapest pronounciation! everybody gets it wrong... +1: the letter 'é' should be pronounced as the 'a' in 'late'. :)

[@Candrsenal]

yeah I'm not pronouncing it that way ever.

[@jefffradsham2297]

I can't tell if may is looking so happy because of the big bore black powder or the semi-pistol grip.

[@maximilianvonspee9329]

Are those gott mit uns shirts still available? I'd really like to buy one. I'm also looking to buy a specifically Austro-Hungarian mannlicher 88/90 or 1895 long rifle any ideas where I should look?

[@Candrsenal]

Shirts are offline for a while while we change manufacturers. I'm afraid it's all a used gun market now.

[@maximilianvonspee9329]

C&Rsenal unfortunate as that can be a pricey market. Perhaps somewhere down the line I'll be able to afford one. My G98 needs a companion, I've been considering getting a Swedish M96 over the Mannlicher for price reasons, I hear they're great rifles. Would you recommend picking one up if I can get it for a good price?

[@mrjockt]

Any chance of you covering the British small arms of W.W.1, the SMLE and the Webley Mk. IV and their predecessors.

[@TTSAXX]

When are you going to cover the Werndl?