PaperCartridges Shoots the Mannlicher 1888

[@farklestaxbaum4945]

The small arms race between, Austria, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, France and England in the 1880s-1890s is truly incredible. So many different advancements in a short period

[@KI.765]

You can always tell a good historical channel that has integrity when they have an emphasis on providing context.

[@papercartridges6705]

Thanks, I really appreciate your comment. Sometimes I wonder if it’s worth the time to study the context and original sources, and make videos that 7 people will actually appreciate… your encouragement means a lot!!

[@KI.765]

@@papercartridges6705 Of course, your channel has got to be among if not the best of them on this topic. I've learned a lot of things here I'd never have learned from some of the other channels (not to discredit them at all).

[@kevmoful]

I respect a man that has era appropriate headwear.

[@familiegrundner4307]

​@@papercartridges6705without the historical background, your videos would only be brainless shooting range videos like there are so many others on social media. But yours are great, with much information coming with a funny touch. Great Job. As an Austrian I found this video and the one about dreyse VS Lorenz a specially interesting. I wasn't aware that we once had one of the most modern rifles in the world and that the Lorenz also had it's advanteges (even if the k. K. Armee didn't use it in 1866).

[@orcabolgsweetie2430]

I love this system, I own 5 1886 and 1888 mannlichers and they are some of my highest prized of my collection. Great video and shooting.

[@egonkattnig6551]

Being an Austrian weapons-enthusiast I highly appreciate your video and your clear and instructive presentation! Greetings from Austria!

[@anatolianshepard3051]

Great video, man. Ive literally just got my Chilean Mannlicher today. Love it!!!!

[@nlwilliamsj]

I've got to get me one of those! I just purchased a Springfield trapdoor rifle made in 1889 and the Mannlicher 1888 woefully outclasses it... way ahead of its time.

[@blueduck9409]

It was way ahead of its time. I think that by todays standards it is still way ahead of modern bolt action rifles.

[@emoryzakin2576]

She’s a beaut and I love that it’s black powder metallic clip fed! Also I’m a Swiss addict and make my own gp90 I didn’t know there was another Austrian type gewehrpatrone 90!! Too cool, enjoyed it!

[@D.05.]

Great production quality and amaizing comentary. Well done! I come back to this video every once in a while. Not only for this amazing rifle but to hear that march that starts at 00:36 I havent been able to find its name so if you know it Id be very thankful.

[@papercartridges6705]

The Emperor Waltz (Kaiser-Walzer) by Strauss Jr.

[@D.05.]

@@papercartridges6705 Thank you!

[@knallis.hjemmelading]

Thanks for the information, I am glad that I found your channel 👍

[@NeuKrofta]

Your channel is so underrated, I love the content guys. People always say that the Mannlicher 95s etc have sticky actions, is that a result of the spitzer conversions and hodge podge re-arsenals?

[@papercartridges6705]

I don’t have much experience with the M.95 and the ones I have fired have been fairly smooth. They take more “muscle” than the M.86 and M.88-90, for sure! Speaking broadly, I think modern civilian shooters are probably being too delicate with the rifle; it’s a military arm, the bolt should be cycled with a brisk authority. If it is cycled slowly, casually, or weakly, it will definitely feel sticky or want to seize up, especially in extraction.

[@NeuKrofta]

@@papercartridges6705 haha that makes sense too.

[@jacksonthompson7099]

@@papercartridges6705 got to handle and M95 long rifle and a M95/30 carbine and the differnces in "stickiness/stiffness" of the bolts did have a noticeable differnce. M95 long rifle was smoother definitely.

[@trauko1388]

Awesome video, nice detail with the Chilean national anthem.

[@papercartridges6705]

I was hoping someone would notice! Thanks!

[@dr.durellshepard398]

Thank you Sir. Excellent content and presentation. Top shelf all the way !

[@mikeryan9479]

Another great video Brett 👍🏻

[@535tony]

Great channel! Lots of great information and music too!

[@konstantinpiontkovsky3067]

Thank you for great content

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

"What's going on in Chile?!?"...... That has to be on a t-shirt....

[@papercartridges6705]

There is a TON of period commentary on the use of the Mannlicher in Chile. It usually has two parts: first, the decisive effect of the magazine rifle is noted and praised, but then immediately after, the period commentators are shocked by the expenditure of ammo, and advocate for magazine cut-offs to prevent troops from firing too quickly. Definitely mixed takeaways from the period military analysis of the Chilean battles!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@papercartridges6705 A harbinger of changes to come... as with most of the armies of the era, the new technology isn't always followed through with well thought out mitigation of the knock-on effects... "Maybe we should increase the number of ammunition mules per battalion?"...... "Nonsense.... we've used 6 for the last 50 years....."

[@davidfernandes920]

Excellent video. The pace of firearms development in the years between the American Civil War and World War 1 was incredible. Rfles were designed, adopted and obsolete within a few years. A very interesting time.

[@bluejay117]

I just got into loading black powder 8x50r mannlicher and found a way to get 61gr of bp into the casings. I stuck a punch that was a bit smaller than the case opening into my drill press and used that to compress the powder. I was able to get a maximum of around 70gr into a fireformed 7.62x54r brass case using pyrodex rs but kept the load to around 65 max. I'm shooting an m95 straight pull so I'm not too afraid of the extra powder, just gonna be a pain to extract the cases.

[@papercartridges6705]

Hmm I haven’t tried it with Pyrodex. I wonder how it behaves when compressed?

[@bluejay117]

@@papercartridges6705 i shot some loads of 55gr compressed and it had a soft but brisk recoil. Going to shoot some of the other loads tomorrow and see how they perform. My M95 has trouble extracting

[@theministryforhistory]

The Postmen are at it again! 🇦🇹🇭🇺 Another great video!

[@knightman4574]

The Mannlicher roars! 💪 👑 🇦🇹🇭🇺

[@ScottMaurer-g2b]

the only reason this rifle and descendants never got popular on the surplus market was due to availability of ammunition. Every time I have shot mine I marvel at how incredible a rifle it is.

[@papercartridges6705]

It means they are still affordable for poor people like me!

[@ScottMaurer-g2b]

@@papercartridges6705 I'm consistently amazed at the bargains that can be found in late 19th century rifles. so many original pieces that can be gotten for well less than 1000 dollars. many less than 500.... please don't make them too popular. Just popular enough to get cartridge support :P

[@leadshark9461]

One of my favourite channels on KZbin. Hope you guys try the Springfield vs Enfield again one day.

[@papercartridges6705]

We are definitely going to do that. I’m deployed and the videos I’ve made over the last 6 months are from old video from last year… I’ll be home again in a few months and I have a bunch of projects I want to work on. Springfield and Enfield is one of them!

[@leadshark9461]

@@papercartridges6705 Thanks for the update and for the awesome content you make! Wishing you and your soldiers a safe return.

[@k1lluachan]

should try duplex loads

[@charlene2400]

I have an 1888/90. It's my favorite rifle. I've worked up a smokeless jacketed bullet load that's within couple % of the originals. Mainly, I shoot cast lead bullets with a light load of A5744. I'm awaiting a restock of those oddball jacketed bullets, to do more.

[@michaelwilson9986]

Have you thought of maybe trying Blackhorn 209??

[@hmsyndig7577]

Love the fast cycling action❤ This and the M95 are like the Swarovski crystal to me❤❤

[@knightman4574]

If I were to scan for historical arms?.. the Repeatier Gawer, is gotta be the one!

[@nomadpi1]

Thanks for the history lesson. As I've just found this channel today, I'm at a loss re: your data. Is this a avocation or a vocation? Do you write for a specific magazine? I've always been curious about BP weapons, but never enough to chase down a rifle (where would I find a BP weapon?). I have taken many gun magazines thru the years but currently only take GOTOW.

[@wagon9082]

Good video

[@Macovic]

Very cool. Also what about Krag-Jørgensen 1894, biit designed 1884 and patented 1887, which did not have a magazine clip but sure was it a nice rifle and being in proficient use until about 1945

[@49walker44]

Are you down in one of the south western states? Do you have any trouble reloading for those manlichers? Can't believe I don't have one of those in the safe, such a unique, historical rifle. Thanks for your work.

[@papercartridges6705]

California high desert. Great for shooting and knees that don’t ache in the winter… not so great for everything else! Reloading is surprisingly easy for the 8x50 Mannlicher. Fireform cases, I neck size and seat in 8mm Lebel dies.

[@WastelandArmorer]

I have fired ppu 7.62x54r ammo to make the casing, just need to get the dies to neck size them.

[@SirBoggins]

How smooth are the bolts of Mannlicher rifles in general? Besides the Swiss Schmidt-Rubins & their form of a straight bolt-action, every time I see other Mannlichers their bolts seem a bit sticky and kinda grating from afar. Asking as someone who's never used a real-life firearm.

[@papercartridges6705]

They are fairly smooth but do need to be cycled with “authority.” If you briskly cycle them, they’re pretty nice.

[@SirBoggins]

@papercartridges6705 I guess those Mannlicher gals like it rough! 🤣

[@Ben_not_10]

The bit about Austria with smokeless powder in the 1860s reminds me of those Arby’s commercials. *no one* *the Austrian powder makers* “All our product” *kaboom* “KEEPS BLOWING UP.”

[@petrzacharias6622]

Right now im looking for original to buy. :D but sadly for that piece i have no money. Well, i hope new owner will enjoy this awesome piece of historic gigglestick.

[@tk1850]

i love airguns and old guns soo i subscribed .

[@paulancill3872]

The manlier you show is strait pull did they have any of the problems of the Ross?

[@papercartridges6705]

The Ross issues were primarily with ammunition, as the Ross was designed for cartridges made to a very tight spec. My Mannlichers will eat just about anything I put in them, even 7.62 Russian for fireforming. Nice generous chambers. Not best for accuracy but good for a trench.

[@johnfisk811]

First class work Brett. I had a m1888 and then a m1886. Preferred the 1886 but then, looking back, my bullets were too soft and were stripping in the 1888, so tumbled. The absence of primary extraction definitely means that the bolt must be worked ‘in a smart soldier like manner’. Weighty but solid rifles, ideal for pointy stick work when necessary I would think.

[@papercartridges6705]

I like the German Gewehr 88 for the rimless cartridges, but for ease and speed of fire, the 86 and 88 Mannlichers are definitely better. That said, they have weaker actions with the locking wedge. They also need to be handled with some authority on the bolt, since there is no camming action for primary extraction as you said. My 86 also doesn’t like brass made from other parent cases; it only runs well with the dreadfully expensive purpose made cases.

[@KI.765]

@@papercartridges6705 Even with non m88 or m90 brass that's been fire formed?

[@soylentgreen7074]

Do you think you weren’t able to get enough black powder in the case because of modern case design? Were originals balloon head cases with more capacity like lots of American cartridges? 45-70, 44-40, etc.

[@blueduck9409]

Probably.

[@thompsonjerry3412]

You could use powder coated lead bullets for your smokeless load.

[@WastelandArmorer]

Where did you find the newspaper articles referencing that rifle? Are they locked behind a paywall?

[@familiegrundner4307]

At least some Austrian articles should be available on the website for historical newspapers (Anno) of the Austrian national library - it's for free.

[@santiagodelafuente1766]

Hi I have one but I want to shoot it with all precautions what caliber that it's not weird to found I could use if a don't want to die while I use it to hunt or shoot it for fun , greetings from Chile 🇨🇱

[@NetVoyagerOne]

A modern remake in .223 would be fantastic for ban states like mine.

[@olympicblackpowderrifles3155]

Wheres a good place to get one?

[@papercartridges6705]

Royal Tiger has (had?) some Ethiopian surplus 88’s. GB from time to time will have them. Unfortunately for the M.88, they remained front line infantry rifles throughout WWI (used alongside the M.95) and were nearly worthless surplus after the war… those that survive are usually in “relic” condition. I was fortune to find mine through a dealer who happened upon a very nice one. Like Lee-Metfords and Lebels and other first generation rifles, just need to keep an eye out… and be prepared to move fast, and plunk down some money.

[@craigjohnson6141]

Ser geil!

[@pelonehedd7631]

The ones I shoot don’t sound like pellet guns.

[@papercartridges6705]

It will if you use light loads to fireform cases.

[@jozefbubez6116]

Looks like black powder? That apart, I have a certain fondness for Austria which of the three powers of the Polish Partition (1795 - 1918), the part of the world in which I have an extensive extended family, now western Ukraine, was in the old days a part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The other powers; Russia tried to russianise, Prussia tried to germanise while under the Hapsburgs, the national anthem could be sung in any one of some fifteen languages and that was official!

[@papercartridges6705]

It originally used black powder until 1890 when Austria finally rolled out a semi smokeless powder.

[@DanH34]

The Lebel. Because the French can find a way to make even a bolt-action rifle ugly.

[@SteyrM95]

8x52 😂

[@papercartridges6705]

And with 62 grains of black powder!

[@SteyrM95]

@@papercartridges6705 I thought they shot 8x50

[@poppyflowerforge]

Thats gotta be pronounced "man-licker" man 😂 i appreciate the professionalism tho haha!

[@blueduck9409]

Bubba, you are saying it wrong. Its Man - LICKER. Like, you LICK a lolly pop. Or you LICK the salt with your shot of tequila. Its not SHER. ITS LICKER.

[@papercartridges6705]

Oh geez, we had no idea! I’m writing a letter now to the Deutsche Rechtschreibung so they can officially change the spelling and pronunciation of “ch” in German to a hard K. In MünKin steht ein Hofbrauhaus!

[@windogendoors7566]

You are going to look back at this comment and cringe. Don't worry we have all been there.

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