History of WWI Primer 060: British Webley Self Loader Mk I N Documentary

[@mattalex543]

Wow those new gen five glocks sure do look promising.

[@Frank-bc8gg]

The .455 GAP is the future.

[@norcofreerider604]

Underrated comment.

[@johnd2058]

IDK, but I'll tell you this: that "Mars" at 1:00 or so gives me feelings that make me question my heterosexuality... ...Guess I'm the type to marry a digital piano with weighted and graded keys, but cheat on her with campy WWI-era tech.

[@jayfelsberg1931]

LOL

[@jayfelsberg1931]

The Bizzaro Glock

[@EDSKaR]

"...Because it looks like a drawing of a gun, drawn by a five year old" This gun may be a Webley, but Mae is a Savage!

[@bushwhackedonvhs]

I carry revolvers nearly daily and my nephew drew a picture of me in which I was wearing a duster for some reason and his depiction of my gun looked like a Webley autoloading pistol. I keked.

[@sawyere2496]

@@bushwhackedonvhs because revolvers are for cowboys. You carry a revolver, ergo you are a cowboy

[@bushwhackedonvhs]

@@sawyere2496 I now carry a Ruger P89 with a 17 round Mec-Gar mag

[@marksaxby607]

She's not wrong though and I'm British :)

[@anderseriksson6926]

I've always felt that the Webley automatics never quite got the recognition they deserved. So thanks for shedding further light on this interesting pistol!

[@john-paulsilke893]

There is something confidence building in having a big bore cartridge. And the age old, "if you run out of ammo it's still a good club" adage.

[@Ashfielder]

After that fantastically brutal roast of Mae at 27:35, I was expecting the ‘War Were Declared’ thingy.

[@Procket12]

Magazine cutoff.......in an automatic pistol..........*BRITISH INTENSIFIES*

[@johnfisk811]

The Royal Navy wanted this as only so many magazines per gun were issued (2?) so they wanted to be able to use loose rounds until magazine fire was necessary. In boarding or on service on land the idea was to reserve the magazine for a rush by defenders or assault by cavalry. Officers and Petty Officers would have the pistol in boarding but the sailors had cutlasses or rifles.

[@baker90338]

The magazine is for using loose rounds for *_NEGOTIATING_* with less than permissive soldiers.

[@planescaped]

You know the Japanese version would've had a bayonet lug...

[@jackandersen1262]

planescaped the British did just that with their Webley revolvers.

[@someguy3766]

@@johnfisk811 I can't imagine a combat situation within pistol-firing range where I don't want a full magazine, lol.

[@mrLebesgueintegral]

I own one of these pistols. It was the property of Lt Col Thistlethwaite who served at Gallipoli. He contracted amoebic dysentery and spent the remainder of the war in a sanitarium, so survived. Excellent presentation, as always

[@knightmarex13]

The Mars really tanks me back, some of the first forgotten weapon videos I watched were about the Mars

[@ZGryphon]

I love the Mars. That insane magazine system. That rotating breech thingy. It's not a big handgun, it's a tiny naval artillery piece. I mean, don't get me wrong, I recognize that that is ridiculous and commercially nonsensical. I'm not saying it should have succeeded. I'm just saying I love it. :)

[@Victor-056]

The Desert Eagle proves that the Mars Pistol could have been successful had Hugo Mars not been so caught up on making his gun so mechanically complicated that it requires a Swiss Watchmaker to clean it.

[@MrCarsandguitars]

"it's got a lot of girth to it, but it's very comfortable" Oh my

[@larrythorn4715]

Literally came to the comments to find the comment on this I knew had to be there. Was not disappointed.

[@someguy3766]

@@larrythorn4715 Sama, haha.

[@jezblades9913]

@@larrythorn4715 Literally Came!

[@tedking6790]

I just want to thank you guys for all that you do. My whole life I’ve been obsessed with the history of small arms, particularly military small arms, and it makes me happy to see others are as well. For as long as I can remember I’ve wanted your KZbin channel to exist, I just didn’t know it.

[@ward1476]

If 4 out of 10 is passable, i want you to be my university professor, Mae.

[@arsonmarathonpowerfuneral6037]

You can't put off the Mosin forever, Oatboy.

[@alphaomega2937]

Arsonmarathon Powerfuneral we need the mosin!

[@grenmoyo3968]

I was saying this for a while....and now look. ITS RIGHT THERE! I SEE IT!

[@colfury100]

Tbh what russian weapoms has he done?

[@tacomancers12356789]

Why did I read this in Idubbbz' "foreign" voice?

[@wangl601]

Da! Mosin has been there for month!

[@Treblaine]

ooooooh, that "thwack" of the breech closing... that's something special.

[@ANonymous-bh1un]

May: "A lot of girth......but it's not uncomfortable." That's what we've all wanted to hear from her for a long time now...

[@Procket12]

This really was a pistol that deserved more than it got.

[@chriswarren1618]

Fantastic job, guys. This is the best historic gun site I have come across on You Tube. Although your videos are lengthy, I really never want them to end. There's a compliment! My Father was in charge of Naval outdoor ranges at (UK) Whale Island/HMS Excellent, which you correctly quoted in the history of this Pistol. I never knew this one existed, so very interesting for me, thanks. Keep up the great work and keep away from too much shooting/penetration.

[@nicholasmazzarella2720]

Unbelievable as usual. You guys rock. Thank you for always doing a super fabulous job. I not only collect WW1 and WW2 firearms for the shooting but also the history and you guys always do a fantastic job with the history of each firearm.

[@SeraphinaPZ]

Literally saw this uploaded as I was lying in bed and now questioning if I really need the hour of sleep I would miss to watch this.

[@canicheenrage]

Sera Do night shifts. Or come li e in Europe. You'll get them when waking up.

[@SeraphinaPZ]

I wouldn't mind living in Europe if I had the money, I hear the Netherlands is lovely.

[@trainsbangsandautomobiles824]

"A 7?! I feel ripped off, I should at lest get 10!" The amount of unintentional innuendos in this show is awesome lol

[@norquay626]

I've just come across this site. It came out of watching the Great War channel. I'm Canadian and love that period of our history, so ended up here curious about the Ross rifle and loved your historical as well as technical review of the rifle and you gave me a better insight as to what was going on with the rifle at the time. You guys do a wonderful job of reviewing these historical fire arms

[@ashleysmith3106]

Regarding Webley's ergonomics; while not the big .455, my M&P .32 model I found surprisingly to be one of the most comfortable AND accurate pistols in my collection, especially on moving targets (and I have a couple of hundred 20th century pocket pistols)! I can't explain it, it just feels GOOD! Incidentally, it's a shame you don't do a moving target test, as men didn't always stand still in WW1.

[@FireAssayDevil]

Spiffing! Jolly good show old boy!

[@grenmoyo3968]

OldContemptible pip pip

[@FireAssayDevil]

What's that old bean?

[@peterlynch1458]

At 0:40 Othais isn't joking. This one time, I was in space, and I looked down at earth and saw a Webley self loading Mk1N.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Why the heel rlease? Cause those pistols were worn in belt holsters that could take a lot of hits (the officer crawling out of the trenches, artillery craters, under the barbed wire, ecc...) before the weapon was draw. Imagine the guy finally drawing the pistol, and the magazine, that had been already unlocked by the button being pressed at some point, flying out of it.

[@SgtKOnyx]

Yes, much better to have the release exposed to the elements

[@aussiebloke609]

One more reason - an old digger once told me that back then, the brass generally didn't want mags dumped onto the ground where they could get trampled and possibly destroyed, and a heel release means it pops out directly into your off-hand (which is operating the release) so you can quickly and easily pop it into a pocket for reloading later.

[@SgtKOnyx]

@@aussiebloke609 now that makes more sense

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

This is what they really should've called the "Box Cannon"

[@GrimHellscream]

What is it with RLM fans and guns? Seems like antique guns and Mike Stoklasa are as hand in hand as Filthy Frank and youtube cancer. Just something I've always noticed.

[@baker90338]

RLM?

[@ZGryphon]

What does the _Reichsluftfahrtministerium_ have to do with anything here? Wrong war, anyway. ;)

[@EarthenDam]

I notice a recurring theme with British weapons, the small arms committee was a nightmare to deal with, constantly changing it's mind on what it wants and being vague. Plus that obsession over controlling soldiers fire with only allowing one round at a time, I am almost surprised their machine guns were not required to have single shot capability.

[@baker90338]

EarthenDam basically to some what girlfriends are like.

[@zoiders]

Exbiditionary warfare makes you rather reliant on not running out of ammunition. Its not like the world beyond Europe and America was covered in railway lines at the time to deliver more when you needed it. Once you marched away from that ship or rail head you were on your own.

[@stevencali3539]

@@zoiders and even America at the time was fairly sparse on railroads once you left the east coast.

[@mrLebesgueintegral]

The single shot feature was for training. It wasn’t intended for battlefield use

[@keithorbell8946]

It’s important to remember with the Wembley Automatic is that the Admiralty wanted, so they lead the design (magazine cut off etc.) for the Admiralty’s tactical requirements in the early 1900’s, before the complete change in understanding of requirements that WW1 created. However, the Army had no tactical requirement for an automatic, pistols were really just for officers at the time, who were expected to provide their own, and certain troops who did not require / could not carry a rifle - machine gunners, drivers, MP’s etc. It’s only in the last 10 years that British doctrine has lead to pistols being issued to most troops. In terms of military weapons, the Admiralty were considered to be the experts in large calibration, longe range, big-bang making equipment, sometimes fitted into turrets etc., while the Army were considered to be the experts in weapons that could be carried by a single person. This meant small arms testing tended to be referred to the Brown Jobs.

[@nathanphillips3251]

While watching Mae's review I figured out how to fix the magazine spring that broke in half from my new (to me) Remington Model 8. I paused the video, ran to the workshop, used a half penny nail as a rivet, and ran back up to continue watching. Thanks Mae!

[@jameskleatsch4069]

Love the Hair May!!!

[@TheRealTurd]

This pistol looks like Hi Point attempted to make a P38 clone.

[@morriganmhor5078]

And this thirty years before invented!

[@chaimafaghet7343]

It looks like Luger tried to make a Glock.

[@MrSaerrock]

It would be interesting to see a modern interpretation of this in 9x19 with a double feed mag

[@rikuurufu5534]

The purpose that the heel release serves is to prevent you from dropping your mag accidentally, which is a problem if you have a grip release.

[@dmanx500]

some awesome concepts.

[@henryroberts532]

with both this and the Mk6 I was so so hoping Mae's verdict was going to be; "I've just bought a bigger handbag as this is now my EDC."

[@jamesross1834]

I love how she was playing with the 1907 at the end !

[@bumpercoach]

saw/handled one at a local pawn shop ... very cool to see such a fairly rare item

[@jeyendeoso]

27:30 "what a fantasticly weird thing to see on the range... also this gun is a little odd." LOL POOR MAE

[@elpoderdelasgalaxias]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....

[@MisteriosGloriosos922]

*Thanks for informative video bro!!!*

[@gunsbeersmemes]

I'm a Sergeant in the jail for a very large Police Department in N.E. Florida. Rough night, and I'm off work and can't sleep. I very much appreciate your late night releases of episodes. Definitely a great relaxation.

[@whitecloak11]

The Webley fosberry I would love to have one of those what a strange idea for a semi auto pistol sounds good on paper ,the reliability of a webley with semi auto fire looks very complex though a nightmare for trench conditions

[@ae1aea363]

Mae, looking good with the contact lens in!

[@hippomanjp]

ウエブリーMk1の詳しい情報がなく、この動画は大変参考になりました。いつも感謝しています。😎😎👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@nicolesusans2388]

The action effects the recoil. The way the gun unlocks it directs part of the recoil force down into your hand.

[@dillong7951]

Hey guys great episode thanks for adding a price tag

[@walterbigsby6380]

I love Whiting's story, tale of a functional meritocracy

[@anthonypeters6861]

Great shooting pistol, Fun to shoot And very accurate!

[@roseybut]

Great Informative interesting pair of Webley videos keep 'em coming. Love the channel.

[@anchorbait6662]

The mag release is on the heel because soldiers weren't just dumping empty mags all over the place. You would grab, stow the empty and then insert a freshy.

[@Paladin1873]

I've always thought of the Webley Self Loader as a Steampunk Walther P-38.

[@neilmorrison7356]

There was an interesting bit of history that helped explain my Great Uncle’s firearms collection over 20 rifles and shotguns but only 1 hand gun his service revolver. He would have bought most of them from 1901 to 1925 when he was in the Army.

[@piatpotatopeon8305]

My favorite gun, aesthetically.

[@markstokes3685]

The ability to single loading is very useful defensively, engaging full magazine when offender's get up very close. Especially as only two mags issued

[@dennisdenuto]

Just got home from work. Ooooh notification! :)

[@Domfass21]

who needs sleep when you got C&R to watch!

[@rogerpattube]

Looks like Scaramanga’s gun. Also Captain Scarlett’s.

[@nicholasford4820]

Great video about one of my favoured oddballs but slightly bummed you skipped the .38 ACP models...

[@ztbmarine]

I need sleep..ned slep..ne se..c n..C and..C&Rsenal..new C&Rsenal....pfft who needs sleep.

[@michaelcoulter1114]

Zachary Bowman You'll get plenty of sleep when you're dead, yeah?

[@endutubecensorship]

I would say that Mae has the manual of arms down pat. Well done

[@fdmackey3666]

I hate you....No not really....But now I'm going to have to burn up the phone lines, so to speak, and find out which of my family friends/kin has the one and only Webley Self Loader M1 N, that I've ever seen with my own eyes up close and personal, in their gun vaults. Back around the early 1970s I had the pleasure of handling, but not shooting, an example that was brought back to the States after the end of WWI....I just can't recall, for the life of me, who owned it. I do recall that it was in pristine condition and was part of a collection of WWI and WWII pistols and rifles that had been "liberated" or purchased by a Grandfather who served in both wars....I just can't remember whose Grandfather it was! Excellent video as usual. You guys are the best! Keep 'em comin'!!!

[@jayfelsberg1931]

And the long barrel makes it a handy club

[@RobertoDonatti]

These pistols were issued to the Railways Police in Argentina as the Railways were owned and operated by the Brits until 1948

[@Baygul318]

It looks like a pistol the South Park Canadians would use.

[@robertneal4244]

I hope Jay recovers quickly and I hope Othais learns the consequences of disagreeing with Mae....

[@Palanibert]

The Webley-Fosbury automatic revolver was used to kill Sam Spade's partner in "The Maltese Falcon."

[@sandratovar7116]

Mausers we want more Mauser episodes

[@johnmetson7950]

This is the Wembley fosberry for sure the cartridge couldn’t be beefed up to operate the mechanism which led to an inadequate cycle of the mechanism it was a job to cycle it by hand

[@SPAZTICCYTOPLASM]

Interestingly the glock actually does lock the barrel into the ejection port too and the tilting barrel works with an angled wedge. So who knows maybe there's some lineage.

[@peterearden]

It’s long gone, but I used to have some period trade literature talking about heel release magazine catches. I don’t remember it all, but apparently a lot of pistol companies and militaries figured that if your hand was going to be there to catch the empty mag, why not have that hand do the release work as well. Also there was a belief that thumb releases by the trigger were more prone to accidental release of the mag. I’ll contact the collector I sold all that to, and see if I can track it down.

[@leehotspur9679]

I had a Webley ,455 sa 1913 pistol, 8000 were made but failed the mud test for the trenches and were issued to the RN instead. Mine was a mint specimen very slick and smooth in its action vulcanite grips one of the first composites Sold it after 5 years a mistake I regret See Webley story for more Info

[@ribbit876]

Awesome. And the ethanol in fuel can reek havick on MC carbs . Almost as bad as leaving them full of race gas .

[@51WCDodge]

Why a heel release,? So you don't drop the magazine by accident! Stop thinking modern Hollywood and speed shooting. An officer should be directing not fighting, so shouldn't empty the magazine that fast. When it comes to changing the magazine, you have a gaurded release, but still quickly.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Yeah. Mind that those pistols were worn in belt holsters that could take a lot of hits (the officer crawling out of the trenches, artillery craters, under the barbed wire, ecc...) before the weapon was draw. Imagine the guy finally drawing the pistol, and the magazine, that had been already unlocked by the button being pressed at some point, flying out of it.

[@schuttrostig5729]

actually putting the release close to where the mag comes out makes it clear to identify. For someone not familiar with pistols about 1915 might want to push the button to release the slide or to remove savety and boom... magazine falls out.

[@51WCDodge]

To true Neutron. Will it work in the dark, yes, hand has a tendency to find hand, when I'm wet, cold, miserable and scared witless?

[@ayarzeev8237]

Keep up the good work man

[@ghalmarraz8706]

Love your work, love the tshirts. Thank you. I know you are focusing on guns used in the war but I was hoping at some point you would get to other weapons of that time or other you just find interesting. If possible, I would suggest the Swedish mauser and the Schmidt Rubin.

[@MorningGI0ry]

Can you put a bayonet on it

[@Diebulfrog79]

They did, Greene had attachment for trench raiding.

[@markknife1]

I think that was only for the webley revolver line.

[@exploatores]

do you realy need to make it more heavy.

[@markknife1]

sure we do. how do you think nails are being hammered into wood in the trenches?

[@peterbaxter2913]

48' in - Churchill liked the concept of the self-loading pistol. He selected a Mauser '96 when he served in South Africa in the 2nd. Boer War, and he insisted his detective during WW2 carried a US Government .45. Winston WAS half-American, after all!

[@mrLebesgueintegral]

Peter Baxter Churchill used a 45 cal commercial Colt Government Model when he served as a brigadier on the western front after he left the Cabinet following Gallipoli

[@keithorbell9500]

Stephen T Lieutenant Colonel, he was a Battalion Commander (CO in British parlance).

[@MatJan86]

That shooting sound of this gun, wow like a cannon or something.

[@thurin84]

did it give you ptsd?

[@ludditeneaderthal]

If a Glock and a Mars got drunk at senior prom, 9 months later the orphanage would find a Webley self loader in a basket on the doorstep. It really is the Australopithecus of self loader, lol.

[@baker90338]

ludditeneaderthal remind me of that story?

[@RockSolitude]

I feel most of its problems could be solved with further development and a full length slide.

[@abwihamwinkin]

It really is a shame the British Army didn’t adopt this. Coming from Webley & Scott, (The UK’s Colt, essentially,) it could’ve easily been Britain’s contender to the M1911 and P08 Luger. But nope, they stuck with the Webley revolver, EVEN into WWII... -I can understand why they kept the Webley revolver for service in the Great War since it was still relevant, I absolutely cannot understand why they still chose to keep it in their army by 1940. They technically even downgraded it to a smaller caliber thanks to Enfield. Sigh...

[@PlymouthT20]

Revolvers were mud proof, and thus the conservation.

[@kazoolordhd6591]

@@PlymouthT20 revolvers are arguably more vulnerable to mud

[@admiralpercy]

2:00 JOHN CARTER OF MARS

[@Equiluxe1]

Around twenty years ago I got to fire one. Recoil was not bad as it's so heavy, for trench warfare up close it could be a good choice as it would make a good club if all else fails.

[@johnfisk811]

I used one many years ago too. Immediately inspired confidence and I would have taken it in preference to a Colt 1911.

[@MarkiusFox]

So, is Mae saying the Webley Selfloader is...T H I C C ?

[@KebeQ]

I can see that RSC in the background ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)

[@baneyj]

I really want a "WAR WERE DECLARED" T-shirt.

[@randymagnum143]

All i wanted was a 5% discount on ham flavored chewing gum.

[@scottolsen8582]

Yes!

[@MrLolx2u]

Churchill's love and obsession for anything automatic has to do with what he experienced in the Boer Wars. He was involved in the 2nd one and he was a journalist if I remember and he got cornered by the Boers and he only managed to escape being captured with his Mauser C96 Bolo variant and when he got back to Britain he lauded the weapon heavily in front of the press too. That's also how the Mauser C96 got so popular across the globe and most importantly China on how did they even arm and copy the pistol magnificently into what became China's most used pistol during WWI, Interwar, Second Sino-Japanese War, WWII and beyond.

[@anthonyioane4438]

Jun Kitami what are you doing here kitami shouldn't you be tuning cars

[@MrLolx2u]

War is looming. Tuning cars can't help us in defending rocket man

[@anthonyioane4438]

Jun Kitami I see

[@AARONSHEERN]

It looks like a bigger version of the golden gun used by Sir Christopher Lee in the classic Bond movie!

[@richarddixon7276]

Thanks to all at C&R for the show , Wonderfully informative , As ever ! . All opinions are subjective , so anyone who disagrees with Your findings is being equally subjective , ergo equally likely to be right or wrong depending on Personal opinion .Each to their own ! that's the beauty of living in democracy's We are all allowed to have opinions & express them (for now at least ) .Wars have been fought to defend such rights and Thankfully We (The Allies) Won and We Lucky viewers get to enjoy & learn history from Well informed and excellent researchers and presenters at C&R . Thanks Again to You All .

[@m98de]

Mae, like your Haircut

[@BenCullinan]

A pity the British never took on this pistol. It was put through extensive trials by the Royal Navy and they really liked it. This pistol was ahead of its time.

[@cheapolegunguy]

The "High Point" of yesteryear. Hopefully Jay will make a full recovery.

[@admiralpercy]

Can you please shoot homemade dum-dums into ballistic gel. I've wanted to see this since Breaker Morant

[@IntroSpectre6x3]

@Keith Moore: I feel like I'm missing something here. What do mercury and cyanide have to do with hollow-points?

[@IntroSpectre6x3]

In practice, "dum-dum" is simply an archaic name for hollow-point slugs, or alternatively, for soft-point slugs. There's nothing "explosive" about it, unless you mean frangible ammunition, which is virtually never used in combat scenarios because it simply doesn't offer any real advantage over either hollow/soft-points or FMJ.

[@51WCDodge]

We apply Rule .303 , quote from Breacker Morant, Aussie film, book is called Scapegoats of Empire, and was the reason Colonial Troops were not Court Martiled by British Authorties in either world war.

[@51WCDodge]

Actually Dum Dum is the name of the Aresenal in India.

[@IntroSpectre6x3]

I'm well aware how the colloquialism developed. That's pretty unrelated to the argument except when you consider that the Dum Dum arsenal was only notable for the first iterations of both SJP and JHP ammunition used by the British.

[@alganhar1]

Why the complaint about the number of rounds? Colt 1911 also carried 7 rounds in its magazine and its grip is not that much smaller.... Its not a small round.

[@deckard541]

Even though it's a big heavy pistol, on slow-mo, it looks like it kicks like a mule.

[@Regolith86]

That's what the high bore axis gets you...

[@tmikesecrist3]

I dont know why Europe seems to love the heal magazine release on pistols I think even most self loading hand guns form Europe still have heal releases.

[@stephenbond1990]

Pretty accurate for such a kick

[@maewinchester2030]

Stephen Bond Thanks, tall sights and short trigger pull helped.

[@johnb5461]

The half mag makes sense if the feed lip on the magazine were damaged. It would still allow you to be able to use the gun at a reduced level.

[@sharkfinbite]

When will we get a video about the U.S. Springfield? I heard it was basically a copy of the mauser , but didn't surpass it.(I heard it is not as good as the Mauser) I also heard there was a legal battle Mauser had with Springfield where they wanted royalties for the copy. I want to see how it fairs against a Mauser and listen to the... drama behind the U.S. company had about paying money to Germany, during Ww1 was going on. I think that would make a fascinating story to hear about it all regarding this gun. (It would be ironic if the p-17 rifle (American Lee Enfield) turns out to be better than the Springfield, according to you guys haha)

[@Tomahaukka]

I can feel the dread every time Othais mentions 1911, Browning or Colt. This is getting way too real for me.

[@Jesses001]

I have shot one of these before, and I kind of liked it. It is a long grip for sure though, and I am with Mae on, where is my extra ammo?