History Buffs: 1492 Conquest of Paradise

[@Warhawk14145]

"Greeks figured out the Earth was round over 2,000 years ago" Meanwhile it's 2018 and you still have people thinking the Earth is flat.

[@frankie2time298]

I was about to say the same thing. Lol

[@robertnett9793]

Yeah, while *everyone* knows, it's a Klein-Bottle containing the Hollow World on the inside :D

[@jackthorton10]

People just like to cling to stupidity because, well now I don’t know.

[@toneooi]

-he set sail the last day jewish people had to get out of spain, maybe the earth is a milano cookie, lol

[@Markm8]

Ok enough with these jokes ok, we all know the earth is a hexagon

[@DrZaius75]

The whole "Columbus wanted to prove the earth was round" myth came from Washington Irving. An author who, like Ridley Scott, didn't really care about historical accuracy.

[@dougimmel]

This has also been what I have been able to find.

[@theawkwardskeleton6608]

DrZaius75 and same dude who wrote ichabod crane

[@kyleshiflet9952]

Yup

[@c.a.g.3130]

No one with a brain ever claimed Columbus 'wanted to prove the world was round.' Everyone already knew that, Skippy. He wanted to prove you could reach the East by going West. Duh.

[@devynescatell8302]

Only a little detail of one inaccuracy that make me fun. In the 19:07 of this video appears a cathedral. That cathedral is the cathedral of my town Segovia (Spain) wich was not finished until 1577!!! Colombus death was in 1506!!!

[@dattilo1]

I can pass over the inaccuracies, but the true atrocity in this movie is Christopher Colombus`s french accent.

[@stevenirizarry1304]

Christopher Columbus's everything was wrong

[@GinEric84]

I agree!

[@raphuscucullatus7845]

@@consumebeef5900 lol

[@Room-xi6nb]

Ever see Enemy at the Gates? Another travesty against history and accents, haha. Usually, in movies, with all "foreign" characters it's somehow ok to just let them use British accents. All the Russian characters have this, and (if I remember correctly) Scottish or Irish accents are also acceptable, for some reason. Then the main German character, Rommel...was played by Ed Harris sporting his very, very, American accent. Like, he didn't even TRY!

[@zrinkajelic6715]

Oh, the accent is laughable. I couldn't take this movie seriously. The guy sounded like Snugglepuss.

[@samuelbarber6177]

Most of what we "know" about Columbus, actually comes from the romanticised writings of Washington Irving... The guy who wrote Sleepy Hollow... The novel about the Headless Horseman

[@TheNeonParadox]

Nailed it. Great writer, sure, but absolutely no regard for history at all.

[@supersoldier64]

Dang. Someone beat me to it

[@mr.mangles8730]

@@TheNeonParadox yeah imo though I dont think its writers at fault but the people that present it to the public as real history without making it clear its historical fiction

[@houston1342]

Doubt

[@SniperDizzyJohny]

Most history is based on mails People sent, assuming they werent writing horseshit

[@treykearns4867]

Hey I like the guy.. don't forget, "in 1492, Columbus got us a day off schoo"- Eric Cartman..

[@haileygrey5047]

trey kearns 🤣🤣🤣

[@treykearns4867]

Damn! I didn't realize this got so many likes. I'm rather excited about that! thank you to everybody, I want to thank my middle school teachers for believing in me, I want to thank my parents, especially my dad for having good sperm that made me, got to thank God and Bruce Springsteen. Could not have done it without Bruce Springsteen... Lol

[@ChaseMcCain81]

Lol

[@tommunism8778]

Not if you live in Britain 😕

[@ChaseMcCain81]

My school district doesn’t give us a day of school.

[@awesomepossumgaming8241]

“We’ve been told lies for so long. That THIS...” *slaps spherical globe* “... was as flat as this table!”

[@bigj1905]

16:14 Interesting that you mentioned him. For those who don’t know, Bartolomé de las Casas wasn’t a member of Columbus crew, but he was one of the Spaniards to arrive in Hispaniola. Despite becoming a hacendia and a slave owner, he left his hacienda and became one of the first people to write down Spanish atrocities and even tried to petition the Spanish king to abolish slavery in the colonies.(though the king died before he could approve the proposition)

[@cgt3704]

And abother fun fact. Queen Izabela I , even tho she was the one who funded his expeditionwhen she found out about the atrocities, she was disgusted by it and tried to free the natives, but her husband always vetoed them.

[@str.77]

And the Spanish king, Emperor Charles V, did not die before he could approve the proposition but actually approved it after a famous debate in Madrid. Slavery was outlawed in the Spanish colonies. However, the law was never fully implemented and circumvented all the time.

[@TheGreektwelve]

To abolish Indian slavery. He didn't care about black slaves, those weren't nearly considered humans at that point

[@str.77]

@@TheGreektwelve While it is true that Bartolomeo lobbied on behalf of the Indians (and not of the Africans that already were enslaved), it is not true that blacks weren't considered human. That was a (post) EnlightenmentTM justification.

[@TheGreektwelve]

@@str.77 sorry, might have miscalculated there, my bad. But yeah, Spanish laws and intellectuals wanted to protect the Indians, but the blacks was another matter. Also, while this laws of protection were created, abiding the law thousands of miles all the way to America in places where communication was scarce, was difficult. And human greed sometimes prevailed

[@telmonomar2656]

Only a little detail of one inaccuracy that make me fun. In the 19:07 of this video appears a cathedral. That cathedral is the cathedral of my town Segovia (Spain) wich was not finished until 1577!!! Colombus death was in 1506!!!

[@parttimehuman]

Segovia is beautiful. I love Spain.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

so basically ridley scott should focus on alien movies? got it

[@bobsbigboy_]

+RedTeamReview Basically.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

IggyTthunders I have! it was alright but could've used an extended version

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

IggyTthunders

[@InquisitorThomas]

+RedTeamReview don't forget Blade Runner

[@Tordogor]

The Duellist wasa superb period piece!

[@fordtrucks33]

"Columbus's claim to fame isn't that he got there first," explains historian Martin Dugard, "it's that he stayed."

[@maicaalarcon6336]

eso es y además no estaba buscando descubrir America que no se nos olvide nunca

[@kevinwilde3814]

@@maicaalarcon6336 Por supuesto que no. Cuando uno duscubre tierra nueva, raramente es porque lo estaba buscando.

[@maicaalarcon6336]

@@kevinwilde3814 jajaja

[@SasukeUchiha-pv4xn]

So no credit for the native Americans

[@blechke]

and he recorded it

[@dogood8750]

You know Bartholomew de la Cases as one of the world first major human rights activist deserves his own movie

[@daguroswaldson257]

Not the first, but a servant of the first.

[@brianbadonde9251]

Not even close to the first

[@emmetpbyrne]

Unfortunately he also suggested that they use African slaves rather than the native people in the Americas and Carribbean. He later regretted that suggestion.

[@The_Honourable_Company]

@@emmetpbyrne although TBH, african slaves were common throught the entirety of human history

[@FranP25]

Why did you convert his name into english then just not try writing his surname

[@stevie_ily]

11:59 "we come in peace and with honor." The next clip is a guy with a fucking gun.

[@Healermain15]

Or the part where he complains about people thinking the earth is flat. While smacking a ball-shaped map of the world.

[@Healermain15]

"I come in peace, don't mind my blade at your throat, this is for realsies" -Famous Last Words

[@JABRIEL251]

He meant we come with a peace.

[@Just_a_Tool]

Demitrium He was holding a gun because they were hunting.

[@InvaderTak176]

Don't forget slavery, and mass execution

[@Chief2Moon]

The priest De Las Casas left an incredible amount of documentation by way of his journals of what the real Columbus invasion meant in suffering&death to the natives. It's worth a Google both for the history& the 1st hand contemporary account.

[@jameshojnowski8455]

Las Casas' "Destruction of the Indies" is about what happened in the Indies from 1506 to 1544, his time there. Columbus wasn't governor of the Indies after 1500, and one of the principle complaints against him by his sailors was that he WOULDN'T let them do whatever they wanted to the natives. Las Casas even writes that once Bobadilla took over, he let the men have zero restraints against the natives.

[@Brother_Piner]

@@jameshojnowski8455 I’ll do you one even better: “Truly, I would not dare blame the admiral’s[Columbus] intentions, for I know him well and I know his intentions were good” Bartolomé De Las Casas, History of the Indies, Book 1, Chapter 93 He felt his men were to blame for any atrocities, and indeed it’s been reported that Columbus punished them for mistreating the natives more than he ever consented to any mistreatment. In fact, him reprimanding and even executing them for their abuse is exactly why he was removed from his office as Governor, one of the few things the movie gets correct.

[@mydickisstuckinyourtoaster2679]

His journals are largely why we know the true level of brutality

[@absinthefandubs9130]

Fun thing about Galileo is that he wasn't tried for his worldview either but rather for insulting the pope, who, just to add another layer of injury, had been a close friend of his few years earlier.

[@joellaz9836]

It also because he Galileo refused to give definite proof for heliocentrism which the Catholic Church demanded that he give, but heliocentrism couldn’t be definitely proven until the 19th century.

[@jameshojnowski8455]

That and he insulted the Pope right in the middle of the Reformation, when those sorts of things were a matter of life and death. He still got to do research and publish works after his trial.

[@persona2grata]

My great grandfather Hjalmar Rued Holand was actually one of the historians who proved that Vikings had made their way to North America before Columbus by discovering stone tablets that had the history of their journey inscribed on them. The family story as I heard it says that he found a farmer using it as a doorstep.

[@c.j.1089]

@@TheKos2Kos are you just ranting for the sake of ranting? Your comment has zero cohesion and rambles all over.

[@M50A1]

@@TheKos2Kos shut

[@kiro160]

@@c.j.1089 what did he say?

[@Myepicapple]

@@c.j.1089 Mate, do you suffer from limited intelligence?

[@sian2337]

That’s fascinating

[@MrDrewwills]

Just went onto IMDb and found out this movie has a 6.5 and a review saying "this is what historical movies are meant to be like"....... I hate humanity sometimes.

[@kevincy5397]

+Zenith Wills In all fairness, to imdb, thats out of ten. so not all that good.

[@MrDrewwills]

John Long Yeah but it's above average. And this movie is horrible!!! It's well made but it's a disgrace to historical movies.

[@MrDrewwills]

John Long You're right it's not all that good. But alright is generous for this.

[@kevincy5397]

Zenith Wills true but I bet twilight has a better ranking...

[@MrDrewwills]

John Long Would you believe the highest a Twilight movie got on IMDb was a 5.5? I mean that's good, but also bad.

[@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect]

Ridley Scott may be one of the best directors from the photography point of view... and one of the worst from the historic.

[@undac9590]

the duellists is pretty good

[@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect]

One of my favourite movies of all time.))) It avoids historical persons and presents personal conflict in a historical setting, so it's a different kinf of animal. But it's so beautiful, just... uh... magnificent movie, amazing camera work. The Duelists, Alien, Blade Runner - Ridley's Trinity.

[@UsoundsGermany]

REALLY good only was Blade Runner - if we are honest:)

[@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect]

I don't know who the heck are "we", but I said what I meant in MY honesty.

[@UsoundsGermany]

Eau Rouge You are right, I change to "I"

[@benjaminholmes2318]

Wow, mad props to you on denouncing the anti-Catholic polemic on the Spanish Inquisition.

[@lynnmartz8739]

Still it seemed like he downplayed the Spanish Inquisition... it was a terrifying institution in its cruelty and pervasiveness. Many people were tortured, many burned at the stake. In the name of religious purity. France was bad enough but it seemed like Spain took it to a whole new level.

[@ЖудаМ]

@@lynnmartz8739 False

[@mogaman28]

@@lynnmartz8739 The different german inquisitions were far worse.

[@falangemexicana8554]

@@lynnmartz8739 In the 356 years the Spanish Inquisition existed, a grand total of 3,000 people were executed (including the Americas). He correctly downplayed it as it is often brought up as some form of genocide.

[@JenniferKokoski]

Thing about the Spanish Inquisition is that it was more a political reign of terror than a religious one. If there's one thing that we learned about the history of France and Spain it's that when politicians can use the church to do their bidding disastrous things happen.

[@Alkiviadis_]

Just imagine, you do things so inhumane that even 15th century people are like "BRO WTF CHILL!"

[@humansvd3269]

Oh please Christopher Columbus is not Pol Pot.

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

"Bro Wtf Chill" would be an understatement. More of "You monster, what in the name of all that is holy made you think that THAT was justified?" Even the Ancient Romans and Greeks will be shocked by his actions.

[@jameshojnowski8455]

Columbus didn't commit atrocities against the natives. He punished his own men who attempted to do that. Many of the things Columbus gets blamed for come from Las casas "Destruction of the Indies" where Las Casas was writing about governors past 1506 when he arrived, yet for some reason all those things are pinned on Columbus.

[@jameshojnowski8455]

@@space4166 There were definitely massacres and crimes committed, almost all of those were by Bobadilla and Nicolas De'Ovando, which Las Casas explains in his "History of the Indies". Columbus was gone as governor by 1500 yet he gets blamed for the next 40 years.

[@70smusicfanatic34]

@@j.mtherandomguy8701 LOL!!! Hardly. Read more Roman history.

[@opensourceguy730]

Reality police: Columbus went west because the Ottomans were blocking the routes to the east.

[@JoDoSa]

That did not stop the Portuguese to go east under Africa

[@yankeebrit9399]

And he was dump and bad at math and I kid you he thought the world was shaped like a pear and way smaller (I not sure about the pear thing though if your asking but I hear it from a reliable source)

[@generalhorse493]

@@JoDoSa That came later in 1497

[@JoDoSa]

@@generalhorse493 yes. But at the time Columbus approach both the Portuguese and Spanish monarchy with his idea. The Portuguese refuse, based on their strategy already in movement of crossing under Africa to reach India. The Spanish, after the Otomans control of the spice trade, decided to enter the race with a different approach, since, unlike the Portuguese, they had no previous experience

[@yankeebrit9399]

@@OrangeButterCream1 yey I thought that to but I thought it would be funny to put it when i heard it on tv and that's why I not sure do to it could be but unlikely

[@trainknut]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[@bilouth]

or dickbutt...wait, what?

[@waitingisfun]

Our chief weapon is surprise. surprise and fear. fear and surprise. Our two weapons are fear and surprise

[@seanshaver6753]

...and ruthless efficiency. Our 3 weapons are Fear and surprize and ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope.

[@seanshaver6753]

I can't say it, you'll have to say it. What? You'll have to say the bit about our chief weapons are. I couldn't do that. ( leave room)

[@Robi2009]

Cardinal, bring... THE SOFT CUSHIONS!

[@albertmendez2262]

History Buffs, when you included that clip from Carl Sagan in Cosmos showing how Erastosthenes figured out the Earth is round, you earned a subscriber. Keep up the good work, brother!

[@rocknrollkid90]

Albert Mendez Interesting!

[@yaa63]

OH MY GOD YES, TOTALLY...I even went and looked for Carl Sagan´s video to tag so that who ever comes around with the theory that the earth is flat, which by the way I have just fairly recently come across a few individuals that believe so, instead of arguing, I'll just send them the link LOL

[@olenb]

A Moye what

[@str.77]

Erastosthenes didn't figure out the Earth is round - that was already known (and proved) long before him. What he did was add another argument and calculate the earth's circumference. To claim otherwise is a typical Sagan.

[@ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723]

As an American, I absolutely HATE that for all of elementary school everyone said that Columbus found out the earth is round. Even teachers were spouting these lies!

[@Minimoimaximus]

+Ionlymadethistoleavecoments France here, a little more accuracy here as if Colombus is still presented as believing it, against the most of the era people (most of them by simple ignorance, or to ensure the church power), we are teached about Magellan proving the fact, not Colombus, and even if I can't remember the name, we even learn about the real guy who discovered the continent, and the idea that Colombus thought all his life or almost having founded east of Asia. His name is the one which came for "America" name, btw.

[@ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723]

+Maxime Minimoi Cha-Jdr unfortunately, for how much of an asshole Columbus was, that is never mentioned in schools. it is utterly ridiculous that a SCHOOL portrays this man as a revolutionary thinker and a hero (as opposed to an idiot who didn't believe the math and got lost, and also committed atrocities) what did you mean another person who discovered the new world? are you talking about the Vikings?

[@Minimoimaximus]

"Amerigo Vespucci, working for Portugal in voyages from 1497 to 1513, established that Columbus had reached a new set of continents." Amerigo. you see the relation with America? :p But my bad, Colombus knew at his death because he died in 1506. He even travelled to the continent like in his 3th travel, he wasn't just the first to do so (if you consider the islands as not really part of the continent).

[@Citrakite]

+Maxime Minimoi Cha-Jdr Amerigo did not find a thing. He falsified reports claiming he had and that's why it's called America, Because he flat out lied to claim credit and money. +Matthew Chenault 1. He was not the first European to set foot on America (either of them). 2. He was never even near North America. See Above.

[@Minimoimaximus]

Citrakite you will need to add some proof to your affirmation, to counter all historians and cultural affirmations I've hearded until now (which, them, have proved their point at the time), because in my lectures he have not discovered America, but he have discovered the continent and that it was one, and not an asian archipelago. Without falsifing things.. And yeah I know about vikings, but I don't count them because THEY NEVER CAME BACK. It is for me an evident obligation that to be counted as one, a discovery must be known, talked about, shown and so on, and to be there must be a comeback. And if you're playing the smart one and saying he didn't discover it because there was native, the natives came from Asia. So it's still the first european. But I'll just wait what you have to do, I'm intrigued.

[@adobotravels]

Explorer = Italian Flag = Spanish Land = Bahamas Thoughts = India Holiday= American Hotel? Trivago

[@mikatu]

The Explorer was not italian. The Flag was not Spanish since Spain was not yet a country, he was sailing for Castilla and Aragon. Land wasn't Bahamas but Cuba and Domincan Republic. They assumed it was some islands near India, not India itself.

[@pavlenikic9712]

The music tho was epic... Vangelis is great

[@OneofInfinity.]

Best of the entire movie imo.

[@agooddaytorespawn57]

@@OneofInfinity. wasted talent.

[@OlympicLeprechaun]

I love his work. His score for Alexander(another crappy film) is epic.

[@leonardogomez8812]

@A Moye Dude he says that he just likes the music not the movie, which was why he said "Tho", what's wrong with you?

[@hypevisions4242]

I agree!

[@theshawshankinception1220]

The only thing good about 1492 is the Vangelis Score.

[@adrianbarac3063]

Absolutely.

[@couldntcroptheimage4775]

Ikr

[@An0niem4]

I saw this film in middle school. Years later, some video used the music and I couldn't remember where I knew it from. More then a decade later, I found out it was this scoreby Vangelis by accident.

[@julenreus5777]

Yup, along with great production and picture it's pretty impressive with the music score. Otherwise the film is completely inaccurate as it was demonstrated. That's just terrible...

[@catothatidiot5243]

Such a waste of great production. If it was accurate It could of been a great movie rather than propaganda.

[@Ibirdball]

18:41 small inaccuracy there. The majority of the population were killed by the diseases Columbus and his men brought from Europe, not his barbaric killings.

[@chapinENnyc]

Ibirdball wrong the conquistadores brought the diseases not columbus.. regardless of that F#%& columbus and F#%$ columbus day !!!!!

[@Ibirdball]

@@chapinENnyc They all did.

[@EricDec]

Europeans had contacts with animals such as horses, chickens, cows, sheep, pigs and so on for centuries. They became immune to many diseases that way. Sadly, the native were not immune and they pay the hard price.

[@KaladinVegapunk]

I mean you're right, it was a mix of it all, but it doesn't really make their brutality less abhorrent It's just the problem with religious zealots mixed with ethnocentrism. While there may be some peaceful people here and there, the ones in power and the main flock were always brutal, vicious, self righteous pieces of shit. It's mainly just the puritans and other bible thumpers that started the aggrandizement of Columbus, the pilgrims, and all the other ruthless crusaders, if they did the EXACT same actions but were pagan, they would be demonized and the atrocities called out, but for worshipping the same zombie god they get a free pass, propaganda & historical editing. The flat Earth bullshit is just a whole separate frustrating issue hahaha, it's such a common misconception, humanity has known it to be a globe for 2 millennia, but somehow this sticks around I mean at least the zealots opposing the heliocentric theory eventually gave up, but they still do it today by disputing other facts like evolution, it's just a shitty thing to have people put myths before fact and evidence

[@drgrey7026]

Not really small it changes a lot

[@dragonlynx9969]

I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. My awesome senior year history teacher made fun of Columbus. We celebrate November 19 for our island being discovered but we don't celebrate Columbus himself. Rather we dress as and celebrate the three main veins that first created us back then, the Spanish, the Tainos, and the African slaves. Our history teachers don't shy from telling us the mixing wasn't consensual but nonetheless we are here and we must never forget all who suffered for us to exist. The hardest part is keeping a dead culture alive as there's very little evidence left of the Tainos.

[@GarrettP130]

I really wish the US would grow up and embrace our history like you guys.

[@1heKing]

@@GarrettP130 to be fair Puerto Rico is a US Territory

[@CFITOMAHAWK]

@@1heKing And i love it like that.

[@easetheweeb]

"So you believe you are the chosen juan?"

[@RitsuCurisu]

"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN JUAN!!"

[@mattaffenit9898]

Christopher Lütz You were my brother, Columbus!

[@skuylerknisely404]

“You swore to destroy the natives, not join them!”

[@talknight2]

Agcortez Cortez says the guy calling himself Cortez xD

[@alisaurus4224]

“Juan” was an extremely common name then , as today, and was the first name of nearly 25% of the sailors on Columbus’ voyage. That’s a three-to-Juan ratio.

[@motivationallizard6644]

“No one predicted for a continent in the way.” Scandinavians:Are you sure about that

[@patrickbateman312]

Anyone who can reason at least as well as a small child: Yes, quite certain about that.

[@hanyu_dada]

Scandinavians probably didn't know where the fuck they were and they sailed back making the trip to america totally irrelevant

[@kinagrill]

@@hanyu_dada Noooo not really. it means it was us scandinavians that discovered america first, same with the canary islands and such.... otherwise there wouldn't have been blue-eyed and blondhaired folk there when it was 'discovered' later.

[@sevenproxies4255]

@@hanyu_dada: They sailed back because there was nothing there worth their time. The northern parts of North America where they landed is pretty much identical in climate, plantlife and fauna to Scandinavia. Norsemen were on the lookout for places with arrable farmlands, not endless pine and spruce forests where you can't grow crops, which they already had plenty of at home.

[@hashaborgonja]

@@kinagrill Calm down dude, there weren't any blue/blond people found in the Americas. Vikings arrived, made note of the continent and abandonned it, and why wouldn't they, so long from how, it's a resource dump and not worth the bother.

[@fatdog1763]

You missed an opportunity for a "No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition" joke

[@Biczeschlappe]

+Fat Dog At this point with the way books and movies have portrayed the medieval world, everyone always expects the spanish inquisition.

[@cseijifja]

+Lord Cottington even tought the spanish inquisition burned like 14 people in its existance.

[@Steamforger]

+Lord Cottington Interestingly, the Spanish Inquisition under Cardinal Ximenes de Cisneros legally gave thirty days' public notice before conducting any investigation.

[@GoranXII]

Yep. And people actually blasphemed so they'd have to call in the Inquisition, rather than relying on crappy local courts.

[@lucasjelif]

One quick note: the Bible never claims that the earth is the center of the universe. The Catholic Church claimed that, not the Bible.

[@Pawn2e4]

@@chrishall2594 You're conflating Christians and Protestants lol

[@MatteoPrezioso]

Whether the bible said that crap or no, that doesn't make any difference. The atrocities done in the name of that idiotic book are still felt today.

[@kinagrill]

The bible just states we should stone our children to death for cursing at their parents even once. Or that wearing mixed fabric is a capital sin you should die for. Or eating shellfish being a deathsentence, etc. etc. etc.

[@kinagrill]

@@sdsd2e2321 Without it we wouldn't have had the need for the Renaissance, we'd have had the greek philosophers remain, the written records that was burned by christians in Alexandria (the great library), etc. etc. I mean the greeks knew the world was round before the theory was stated a good 1000 years later by some other guy. There's a reason it's called the dark middle ages because of the technological and social regression in the name of religion. Like say, witch burnings and the whole 'suffer not the witch to live'... well the actual translation should be 'suffer not the evil magic user to live'. Aka. people using magic to harm others. not just using 'magic'. We have the british translation for that.

[@lucasjelif]

@@kinagrill I believe you're thinking about the laws given to ancient Israel, a theonomy that existed nearly 3,500 years ago, in a very different world than ours. There are many misconceptions about the Law and how to reconcile it with the Gospel. For a better understanding of their relationship, I recommend Sinclair Ferguson's book The Whole Christ.

[@anyyoingorange]

nah the earth is totally flat, i trust a pornstar and a rapper (i feel your pain if you know what im talking about)

[@hawke3539]

+anyyoingorange link pls

[@anyyoingorange]

Hawke35 no link really but on twitter tila tequila (pornstar) and B.O.B. (failing rapper) ranted about the earth being flat

[@andrewrendon7789]

+anyyoingorange Oh wow. I didn't even know that BoB had these views. Damn, and I used to like his music. :/

[@Pinklewilly]

+Andrew Rendon he made a song about it too. It's even pretty catchy in spite of the stupid lyrics.

[@_FrozenPanda_]

+anyyoingorange you could actually mark both as failing rappers xD Tila Tequila made rap music at one point :p

[@omegasupreme1970]

the globe he hits also shows south America and the Horne around it also America is entirely mapped

[@dinguskhan655]

Haha oh god

[@TheNeonParadox]

Nice catch. I totally missed that.

[@Vaxellon]

Because it isn't. Dude is making shit up. I have the blu ray and you cant make out which landmasses they are.

[@coltonregal1797]

The Bible doesn't state that the earth is the center of the universe. Galileo wrote a dialog that made the pope look like a moron. As you can imagine, the pope wasn't impressed and Galileo was arrested.

[@ScoobyDoobyBong]

History buffs thought the Divine comedy was canon

[@flaviusclaudius7510]

Didn't he also deny the doctrine of transubstantiation?

[@doyoulikedags3534]

Fuck the Bible, fuck the Quran, fuck the gita, all of its shit

[@gregb7337]

@@doyoulikedags3534 Jesus loves you let that hate out your heart

[@doyoulikedags3534]

@Santiago Suárez It was actually pretty good. It's been a while since I've been in school though.

[@cmd31220]

I say in 2092, we remake this movie more accurately and release it as a horror film

[@rollothewalker5535]

Sounds like a good plan to me

[@chrislondo2683]

In the style of Come and See.

[@xmanc5687]

The whole of human history is violent and bloody. The indigenous people were brutal themselves. Hv u seen what the Mayans and Aztecs did to the people they counqured.

[@maicaalarcon6336]

vaya de terror, como no

[@houston1342]

W

[@Tronathon242]

I never knew Columbus ate snails and frogs legs! If his accent were more French, it'd be surrendering at Dien Bien Phu.

[@WolfStrife]

Nice!

[@viljaarato1752]

well, i guess the point was to have a european (with european acent) would you preffered an italian accent?

[@Tronathon242]

+Vilja Arató Well, he was Italian. A little effort goes a long way.

[@alan4774]

he was actually catalan

[@AngleofJoy]

no he was born in Genoa which is in Italy well actually it was an independent state but he is Italian people think he's Spanish because he was an explorer and map maker for the Spanish government.

[@Horzuhammer]

"Of course not, it's a Ridley Scott -film!" That's the point I just had to click subscribe.

[@godzillavkk]

You should see the Directors Cut of Kingdom of heaven. Much better.

[@peelslowly28]

Yeah, when he's directing a fictional film he's an amazing director, *for the most part*, but when he's tackling history he just doesn't want to accept that real life isn't as fun as fiction

[@xxxxxx5868]

Ridley Scott should definetly should stick to futuristic settings like Blade Runner or Alien. Cause he's trash at historical settings.

[@yunleung2631]

B. A gladiator

[@xxxxxx5868]

@@yunleung2631 Gladiator is an amazing movie but it's unrealistic af.

[@JerryLiuYT]

Wow! I didn't know how bad Colombus was! Thanks for sharing the real history!

[@Elizabeththegreatest]

Oh, he was terrible!

[@TheChippewa77]

Oh come on...how convenient to assassinate the character of a historical figure and forget that however imperfect those "evil" Euro-males (the progressive narrative and strategy to demean western civilization)were, without them the New World would have gone without colonization and development of the New World. The natives would have gouged out a few hundred thousand more hearts from the neighboring tribes that they had victimized (as terribly as they were "victimized" by European conquerors)and little developments such as your PC and IPhone (maybe even youif you are American) may have never materialized. Two thumbs up to his fair treatment of the Protestant propaganda related to the Inquisition. Zeitgeist people...Zeitgeist.

[@caelodevorago608]

Jokes right? Please oh dear whatever-being-made-me tell me you're joking!

[@reb91paz]

man..... the americans are descendants of europe......... science still would have had flourish and you would still have your iphone and your pc .............. just that developments would have taken place in another country such as england................. and probably american people would be born in europe

[@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard]

do u seriously believe this shit? please as if the indians were fucking Angels ffs

[@uubangishar]

When I was at school my teacher made all the kids see this movie and told us that the movie was very accurate. She literally quoted the movie when we didn’t know something about the voyage. Absolutely stunning.

[@uubangishar]

To be fair the only thing I liked about the movie where the boats and the scenery.

[@ddthewolf]

My fifth grade teacher showed us a documentary about what really happened with his voyages, including the other voyages he made. I was quite surprised to say the least. I remember asking my dad who was a history major if it was all true and he confirmed it (There was a lot of times growing up where a teacher would say something about an event in history that just didn't sound right to me and I would often double check with my dad since I knew he wouldn't sugar coat/ lie to me about it)

[@lucasmed2351]

Something similar happened in my school, and that was in 1990s Brazil. Fortunately therr too the mytha behind the European voyages and colonization started seeing much better scrutiny and criticism after the 500 years celebration (which in that country were concentrated in 2000, as 1500 was officially the year the sailors reached and started colonizing in the southern hemisphere)

[@BigLebowsk]

"On the island of Hispaniola, there was a population of over 3 million natives prior to Columbus arrival." What is the source of this claim? I heard numbers that were closer to 300 thousand.

[@maximumeffort7096]

That is correct. 300 thousand is the right number.

[@gd88467]

Yeah 3 million and 300 thousand is a big difference considering their was barely 1.5 million in the Aztec empire.

[@savyskunk6683]

@@maximumeffort7096 what your source

[@savyskunk6683]

@@maximumeffort7096 numbers death is death

[@Ditka-89]

revisionists always inflate population figures to support their argument that Columbus was a monster

[@tedrikgilly1944]

The Earth isn't round or flat it's doughnut-shaped that's why when you look up you see blue because you're seeing the ocean. (Cough cough) Damn this is weed is fire.

[@vladimiradidas1945]

Yo my nigga, you have leftovers? I'd like a smoke too.

[@ulrichsrebellionroom]

Cringe

[@vladimiradidas1945]

@@ulrichsrebellionroom don't knock it till you try it bro.

[@rostigerrolf4490]

Actually its potato shaped :D.

[@hoyboys1000]

LOL!!!

[@PencilSticks]

I knew Columbus was bad before, but I didn't know he was THIS evil!

[@IFZEX09]

genaricname69 Yet he was trialled and sentenced in his own time

[@ceomyr]

Yeah, in Columbus' own time plenty of people thought what he was doing was horribly wrong. Despite his achievements, despite his allies, despite his incredible wealth, enough people still hated his cruelty and dishonesty to bring him down.

[@jonathanwells223]

@@12233-r he was evil by the morals of his day

[@TheNeonParadox]

Columbus: "I intend to prove the earth is a globe." Eratosthenes: "Who does the what now? Hey, Ptolemy, check this bozo out."

[@doctorbritain9632]

The only good thing about this film is the Vangelis music.

[@quinnlaw5564]

I

[@FlyingFocs]

+David Fisher From the samples I heard, I can already tell it far surpasses the actual film.

[@FlagAnthem]

+David Fisher One of my favourite albums

[@Cythil]

+David Fisher Yeah is it to bad that the awesome soundtrack have to be dragged down by the movie. Always a bit sad when you see a good soundtrack be attached to a mediocre or poor movie.

[@FlyingFocs]

+Cythil the soundtrack of this movie makes me want to write a screenplay. A screenplay based off of a really odd idea, but still.

[@TyBurney]

Nice videos but the bible doesn't state that the earth is the center of the universe. That was the sole geocentric beliefs of the Catholic church and other scientists and scholars at the time. They were the ones advocating and enforcing that the earth was at the center of the universe not based on a biblical reference, but from their own biases and beliefs.

[@HistoryBuffs]

Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30) They believed that the if the sun and the stars revolved around the earth than it must be the center of the universe. This had to be the case since the bible said, the earth cannot be moved. That's why Gallileo said that famous quote, "E pur si muove," And yet it moves

[@TyBurney]

History Buffs Oh yes I see your point, but I can only come to the conclusion that they just misinterpreted it, it's not the first time its happen. People still do it today and in the not too distant past. For instance, a lot of Christians used to believe that the curse of Cain and Canaan referred to black people because they were slaves at the time and had darker skin, even though that wasn't the meaning behind the scriptures that they used to try to justify slavery. Now going back to the geocentric belief, based on how they were using the scripture at the time its kind of a stretch to the meaning, since it doesn't explicitly say that the earth is in the center of the universe. It just says that its immovable. That could refer to the earth never risking falling out of orbit from the sun, or drifting off into space. Remember the people during the time of the Chronicle period, not just Israel, studied astrology and the stars, so they had a knowledge of the constellations and heavens. So they could figure out that the earth wasn't at the center of the universe. That's the conclusion I can come to after reading it, and analyzing the people during the period.

[@HistoryBuffs]

Religious people misinterpreting their holy scriptures? No way!!! LOL XD. In all seriousness when Gallileo invented the telescope, he actually had proof that contradicted what those religious nutjobs believed. That was why he was a threat. Because it contradicted the Church's authority. If they were wrong about this, what else could they be wrong about...

[@TyBurney]

History Buffs I still see your point, but I've separated the church from the Scriptures a long ago, since the church has always became corrupted at some point or another, and try to use the bible to justify its wayward actions. But I can understand how the Roman Catholic church could misinterpret the scriptures that they preached, because originally it didn't belong to them so there was a lot about it that they didn't understand. The Roman empire adopted it and taught from it only what appeal to them and they somewhat comprehended.

[@HerrMann441]

+History Buffs Any real person separates the church from the actual religion,Everyone i have talked to does this,The church makes their own rules and regulations,Really,We don't think we are the only ones in the universe,That would just make us looks like ignorant fools. I'm christian and i believe that there are a lot more intelligent races than us,It would only make sense.

[@theimperialcombine]

This is why we should celebrate Leif Erikson day instead

[@ethanhatcher5533]

The Imperial Combine ahjng ading adurgern

[@andrewloizides5821]

ethan hatcher I see what you did there lol

[@walkingstickman1]

The Imperial Combine *FINLAND*

[@douglasp2469]

bob bread He was from Greenland But ok...

[@icarovieira5016]

The guys just as bad

[@christophermadden3493]

You're my favorite KZbin channel! I just wanted to correct one thing though: Columbus knew how far west Japan was. The gamble he took was hoping that there would be places to stop along the way to resupply. For all they knew, it could have been one massive ocean all the way to Japan. Some contemporaries theorized that a large landmass might lay somewhere in the unexplored sea, of course they were proven right. He was sailing blind.

[@Clambum]

The virgin Columbus lover ^

[@wfettich]

Actually there were reports of pieces of wood washing up on beaches on the island of Madeira which was the most western point known at the time. This fueled speculations that there may be land further westward.

[@lucasmed2351]

​@@wfettichWasn't the Azores the westernmost point known at the time? In fact, I think, about 800km more than Madeira. And Columbus lived and married there.

[@darthrevan9234]

8:03 NoBoDy ExPeCtS tHe SpAnIsH iNqUiSiTiOn!¡!¡!

[@darthrevan9234]

@Brian Smaller but that's impossible

[@glasnikov]

actually it was pretty easy to anticipate as they gave you a 30 days notice beforehand.

[@Kitiwake]

I guess you didn't expect to learn that it was Protestant propaganda against Spain.

[@SuperShanook]

But goddamn what is that soundtrack marvelous

[@OlympicLeprechaun]

Vangelis.

[@leonardogomez8812]

@A Moye Wait this looks familiar...

[@Tzar1]

@@christiank1251 what does this have to do with privilege, let alone skin colour?

[@christiank1251]

@@Tzar1 Beats me. I wrote that in reply to an earlier entry by a certain "A Moye", which obviously has been deleted in the meantime. Impossible to reconstruct, so I deleted my own post too. Thanks for caring.

[@shaunbyrne1197]

It was James Joyce who quite rightly said Christopher Columbus is famous for being the last person to find America.

[@Not_Always]

The amount of incorrect things we as Americans were/are taught in school is appalling.

[@old_man_deky]

Not only Americans. Even in Europe we where taught the same things. At least when I was in school, thirty Years ago. But I am grateful for the work of scholar's, scientists and history buffs who are discovering the history of the world.

[@kaijuslayer3334]

@@old_man_dekyNot just the West, the entire world. The education will naturally be biased towards your region of the world.

[@aramdeara1]

America isn't the good guy ya know.

[@j.menapace625]

@@aramdeara1 Then who is the good guy? The parts of the world that teach kids that earthquakes, tsunamis, and pandemics are caused by homosexuality and women's suffrage?

[@MrKajithecat]

The evils in history shouldn't be hidden but shown and embraced. History is dirty, violent as much as it's beautiful and insipring. History shows the spectrum of human character, good and bad.

[@johanngaiusisinwingazuluah2116]

What the fuck.

[@richardwebb2348]

@@johanngaiusisinwingazuluah2116 - you must be a 'history buff'.

[@PapaLobo94]

Amen

[@ImmaLittlePip]

This exactly to show what our ancestors did and how we can learn and evolve from it And also by the opposite extreme of that statement we must understand that every one and race has done horrible things and that history isn't black and white (though Twitter can should especially learn this)

[@APersonOnYouTubeX]

@@ImmaLittlePip if we hide what Hitler did people will forget and a new Hitler will rise unchallenged again If we know the signs of how Hitler rise we can resist and delay long enough for his plans to not work

[@forregom]

18:34 (paused) That guy looks like Lord Farquaad.

[@BRUTUALTRUTH]

Hahahahahaha 😁

[@leonardogomez8812]

"It's Disgusting!"

[@AndriaBieberDesigns]

Lol. Jerard depradu (excuse my spelling) was an it guy for awhile in the 90s

[@thecuy4714]

Eeee

[@relyenterprisestx]

He’s even worse than lord farquad

[@noonespecial9704]

Dude I miss this old intro.

[@Zapiii69]

Way better than the current one

[@fedeneder8622]

Song name?

[@noonespecial9704]

@@fedeneder8622 Palladio by Escala

[@Pablo123456x]

Another comment ruined by editing it just to comment on its likes

[@noonespecial9704]

@@Pablo123456x Fixed

[@ayaanhussain9139]

Number 1: another thing this film got wrong people thought that Christopher Columbus was the first person to discover that the earth was found but in reality Christopher Columbus thought the earth was pear shaped

[@MiguelVicoR]

What is with Italian-americans and Columbus!? There is no record of his birthplace, and the most plausible theories point to Galicia or Portugal, but Italy is at the literal bottom of the list

[@Kuntyful]

I saw a documentary about him, which said he was a Catalan...

[@MiguelVicoR]

Not the best claim, but he did spent a lot of time in Barcelona, so we catalans are quite attached to the guy.

[@Kuntyful]

Miquel Vico bisca Barca! somes Catalan..

[@eafabregas]

Didnt he have any influence at Genoa?

[@jorgeferdenav]

Actually the vast majority of scholars believe him to be from the Republic of Genoa. He himself claimed to have been born and raised there, the reason fro this being disputed is that the most referenced document is a letter regarding a claim on an inheritance, meaning he could have lied just to get some money, but it is the theory that better fits and the most accepted in the scholarly community. His own son Fernando also claimed that Christopher was Italian, and there's the fact the the guy, while he was alive, sent large sums of money to the bank of Saint George (one of the largest in Genoa) through direct contact with the ambassador of the republic, which would make sense if you consider a citizen trying to get money home through his government's representant in foreign territory. The Genoese themselves claimed him to be a fellow citizen at the Spanish court and nobody contested such claims, so they are accepted as true. And then there's Bartolome de las Casas who in his writings describes "a distinguished man from the genoese nation". There are numerous claims defining him as Catalan, Portuguese, Catalan-Jewish, Greek and even Polish or Norwegian (although I had never heard the Galicia theory before) but all of these were heavily biased with very little and mostly circumstancial evidence and have been repeatdely discredited, many times even by nationals from these very countries themselves.

[@unerevuese]

I wish the current flat-earthers would watch that Carl Sagan clip explaining how the ANCIENT Greeks proved it was curved mathematically

[@rowmagnvs]

It won’t help. They’ll simply brush it off as “what did the ancients know”

[@horror11]

"how the ANCIENT Greeks proved it was curved mathematically" they did not, it is said that some greek mathematician found out that 2 sticks in different places cast different shadows at same time. and now guess what , it does NOT prove that the earth is round. see if some ppl wouldnt just take everything for granted what they get told, they would figure out for themselves that this 2 shadows can be easily been cast on a flat earth by a very close sun, exactly what flat earth theory states. all of astronomy works perfect on a flat earth and its proven for millenias. the greeks never believed in a round earth, neither did the mayans, neither did egyptians . even centuries after herastothenes the greeks believed in the prolemaic geocentric world, because everything work just perfect on a flat earth. u can easily go east or west to reach america on a flat earth and u can cast 2 different shadows on a flat earth at ame time by the same sun. see in science something is only proven when there is no other explanation possible and thats not the case. the real reason why moonlandings was faked (uh sry to burst ur bubble ) was to "prove" once and for all that the earth is a sphere. u see the "apollo mission" was the mission to convince and prove to the ppl that the sun is the center , thats why they named the mission after the greek sun god APOLLO .

[@lait3967]

@@horror11 "2 shadows can be easily been cast on a flat earth by a very close sun, exactly what flat earth theory states." The Earth is at the perfect distance from the Sun it is now to be habitable in the first place. If the Sun was "very close" we'd all be dead, or at the VERY, *VERY* least we'd all have severe skin cancer. Unless you believe the Sun isn't just, you know, a tad bit hot? But you wouldn't be that stupid.... right?

[@gregorywineland9173]

@@joshuapatrick682 so do they think the sun flat? And every celestial body?

[@robskalas]

@@horror11 Sorry to burst your bubble, but we don't "prove" anything in science. So, you say "flat earth theory" explains all of astronomy? OK.. give us specifics, not generalities. How big is the sun? How far away is it from the earth? Is it a burning globe or a spotlight? Describe the orbit of the sun. Explain lunar and solar eclipses. Explain the seasons, and why they differ in the UK and Australia. What is the moon? How big is it and how far away? Is there a wall of ice around the earth? How big is it?

[@jonathansefcik473]

I thought the Greeks first noticed the Earth was round because ships would disappear below the horizon when they sailed away.

[@Oberonjames]

Yeah, but Carl Sagan was talking about how they proved it.

[@troodon1096]

The Egyptians actually noticed it first; the Greeks were the first to use mathematics and geometry to prove it.

[@Akillesursinne]

@@troodon1096 I think it would be impossible to know exactly who saw what first, though.

[@trinidadbaranao7728]

Here in latinoamerica Bartolomé de las Casas is seen as a hero... His work for the human rights is amazing ... Im really happy you mentioned him .. he made slavery technically ilegal for the Spanish colonies .. and made laws that protected indigenous peoples... Now.. that people brake that law... probably but still... Cool

[@alfonsoherreropita]

Spain did not have colonies. Spain had provinces, with the same rights as in Europe. May be you can wonder why most of indigen population fought by the side of the King of Spain during your independent wars. It was really disgraceful when the criollos took over and exited the Spanish. From that moment on, all the rights of indians, protected by the King of Spain dissapeared.

[@RandomVidsforthought]

​@@alfonsoherreropitaBut we should not excuse or downplay the atrocities that indeed happened under the spanish empire

[@phoeniximperator]

but in compensation the movie has an awesome soundtrack

[@TalesOfWar]

God damn Vangelis! His soundtrack in Blade Runner was amazing too. But then pretty much every aspect of that movie is amazing. Every shot is like a work of art.

[@phoeniximperator]

That was a very good movie with deep philosophical questions as well as raising ethical dilemmas. It's said that the last scene with Rutger Hauer when his character is dying was totally improvised and the director decided to keep it in for the final cut.

[@RockyGems]

I've noticed that's a trend with awful historical movies. Pearl Harbor is another example of this phenomenon.

[@woonfaseng8737]

hear hear !

[@TheSaltBoiCometh]

Sadly I agree

[@absinthefandubs9130]

So Columbus was the Tommy Wiseau of the Rennaissance?

[@Dr.Kananga]

you're tearing me apart America!

[@thearchivist7824]

According to a shitty FRENCH actor playing a possibly Genoese man.

[@FuckdasketsHOPassass]

No problem marco, dey natives

[@nicholasmapes]

I did not enslave all those people! I did not

[@Crossfire-qm9tg]

Nothing has ever been more accurate

[@Matthew-we1ro]

One of the most historically accurate shows on KZbin

[@facefish4963]

No not really

[@anarchyandempires5452]

+Facefish yes, yes really!

[@absurdist5134]

+Facefish Feel free to explain your reasoning.

[@RBermuda1]

+Facefish Uhhhh... What? What video are you watching because I don't think it's this one

[@facefish4963]

Robert Cardwell oh shit sorry i miss read the text he wrote, i thought he wrote inaccurate. of course his show i historicly accurate.

[@Chuck12312]

Also the the best part of the movie is the song “Conquest of Paradise”

[@PasserMontanus]

The entire soundtrack is great. Stands on its own even without the film. Highly recommended.

[@MCMXCII]

Gerard Depardieu hitting a *globe* to say "we've been told that it's flat as a table". Well, why is it a globe then? Even the prop department is taking the piss.

[@carlbates9110]

Great video. Also, have you considered making a video on the Alamo movie (2004 version)?

[@HistoryBuffs]

I have had a few requests for that and added it to the list, I'm just working my way down

[@carlbates9110]

Awesome.

[@ThatIrishLass]

+History Buffs Yeah, Alamo's a good one. I'd also recommend touching on some of the big American Civil War pieces, like Glory(1989), Gettysburg(1993) and Gods and Generals(2001); Classic, Classic, and Decent movie, respectively. There are a lot more, and I've actually touched on a couple in other comment sections, but those are my big three.

[@bamjo8750]

+The Learned Soldier Agree on the first two, but I thought Gods and Generals was awful. It seemed like it was more interested in celebrating the mythology around Stonewall Jackson than anything else.

[@ThatIrishLass]

I tend to agree--hence why I said "Classic, Classic and Decent Movie". It wasn't terrible--not like this movie, or Kingdom of Heaven, or Arn, or a dozen other movies that make absolutely no effort to be historical or even good movies, but I wouldn't say awful--it's just disappointing to see a director who nailed a similar idea in Gettysburg do so comparatively poorly in Gods and Generals. I honestly think part of the problem was that he didn't have enough genuinely good actors(Stephen Lang and Jeff Daniels and that's more-or-less it, and the Actors for Hancock, Ames and Lee whose names I can't actually recall were fairly good but by no means stellar), so he ended up focusing on the characters he had the quality actors for. People that were as important if not more so, like Pickett and Longstreet and Armistead--people who got their moment in the spotlight in Gettysburg because they had the decent actors to play them. However, I may be biased toward the film because I'm both a re-enactor, a massive fan of the period, and saw it first as the Director's Cut, which includes some scenes that add to the finished product--more training that hooks into deleted scenes at Fredericksburg and gives the 20th Maine a stronger feeling of being new soldiers who got very lucky, the Battle of Antietam(which was fully shot and filmed but was cut from the final movie because it was too long), which touches on some good themes, more scenes giving Jackson character and not just myth, a few more scenes with Hancock and Ames, and so on. So when I saw the movie it was good, not just decent or even bad, but it still didn't measure up to Gettysburg by any means. Do with that as you will.

[@MusicaX79]

"Christopho. Aristotle figured out the world was round 2000 years ago! This is 1492 the year they invented the globe!" *bonked on head with globe - Robert Wohl

[@beto3355]

Another thing to add is that, upon discovering the "Indies", Columbus immediately acquired the title of Viceroy of the Indies. The word Viceroy comes from "Vice" + "Roi" (French for "King") which means literally he was the "Vice-King" of everywhere he went or discovered. This in turn means that his word, his commands, were second only to the king himself. So it would be impossible that anything--be it atrocities or anything else--could ever occur without his explicit consent.

[@jameshojnowski8455]

Actually it would be quite easy for atrocities to occur without Columbus' consent. Half the time he was in the Americas he was sailing around leaving others in charge. Then when he would come back he would have to deal with Spanish crimes vs natives and vice versa. His punishment of both parties endeared him to neither.

[@CroGamer002]

Galileo was arrested for insulting the Pope, not for heliocentrism. True that both the Pope and Galileo had very major disputes about that subject for years, but when Galileo started to send personal insults to the Pope he got rather pissy and demanded his execution. Though clergy and scholars of Vatican managed to talk him down from execution and instead put Galileo under house arrest. His research did got suppressed, though more due to Pope's petty personal grudges against him as every other scholar then and after was allowed to talk about heliocentrism without fear of persecution.

[@mustang6172]

Here's where the flat-earth Columbus comes from: Washington Irving's "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus." The book has been cited as a biography for generations, but it was only written as a novel. The whole matter of "discovery" has to do with religion. A place was not "discovered" until the Catholic Church planted a flag on it. Leif Erikson _found_ North America, but because he was Norse he could not _discover_ it.

[@important5movements]

Proof?

[@usarkarzts4207]

That's a lie. Leif Ericson didn't discover America because he didn't told the rest of the fucking planet about it, and we only learnt about it 900 years later.

[@Nomoredrama2000]

So now I'm thinking... why doesn't someone make a historical film about Bartolomé de las Casas? He's clearly the hero of the story. Here's how the film would go: He follows Columbus to the New World, and at first approves of the slavery of the Natives because he worships Columbus. But when Columbus brutally slaughters all of them when they try to revolt, Bartolomé is truly sickened and horrified by all these acts, revolted by this man he once had as a friend, becomes a priest and vows to fight for the civil rights of the indigenous peoples. Now THAT is a movie I'd like to see! :)

[@panchovilla7744]

Bartolome de las casas had a good heart and was a hero fighting for the rights of the natives. He was however used by the protestant English abd Dutch as a way to promote the Black legend and be shown a more moral than spain when in reality were just as bad

[@jameshojnowski8455]

Columbus didn't enslave all the natives nor did he slaughter them en masse in rebellions. His first major battle against the Caribs was after a Chief named Caonabo attacked him first. His major rebellion on the island of Hispaniola was from Spaniards, not natives.

[@jjt1881]

Hey, History Buffs, 16:16 Fray Bartolomé de Las Casas never met Christopher Columbus. He was the son of one of the men who accompanied Columbus on one of his trips. He himself traveled in 1502 to the New World, but in the expedition of Nicolás de Ovando, whose job was to relieve Francisco de Bobadilla of his post as Governor of Hispaniola. Francisco de Bobadilla had imprisoned Columbus before, but Columbus was not at the Hispaniola at that time. Actually, one of Nicolás de Ovando's objectives was to investigate what had happened and take Bobadilla back to Spain. When Colombus finally arrived in his 4th voyage, Nicolás de Ovando did not allow him to disembark. Just then a hurricane broke out and Columbus barely escaped with his life. During all that time, Bartolomé de Las Casas was nowhere near Columbus. Some say that he was in Santo Domingo and helped heal the sick during the epidemic that developed right after the hurricane and others say that he was inland, managing his lands. Please, correct that mistake about Bartolomé de Las Casas being one of Columbus' men or witnessing what Columbus did. He never saw it because he was not there.

[@ciaranodonoghue7933]

He saw what Columbus did? He may not have been governor but the practices he put in place were certainly still there by 1502. Your point is a silly one and goes after De las Casas for no reason

[@jameshojnowski8455]

@@ciaranodonoghue7933 His point was Las Casas never personally met Columbus. Also, Columbus' policy of ecomienda was was a forced decision due to the rebellion of his men, he constantly wrote letters to the King and Queen of Spain asking for help to get the situation under control.

[@Brother_Piner]

@@ciaranodonoghue7933 De Las Casas himself was known to exaggerate details, saying that Hispaniola had a population of 2 million pre-discovery, and was reduced to 500. In addition, he flip-flopped on Columbus in his writings, variously describing his work as being good. He also suggested that black Africans be used as slaves as an alternative to enslaving native Americans. He was not the completely perfect, righteous man that this comment section has made him out to be, nor was Columbus the demon they try to say he was. Both men were products of their time and did good and bad things, and should be remembered for their great actions that took a lot of bravery, rather than the small missteps that we can easily demonize from the comfort of our modern perspective, 500 years removed from the events. De Las Casas held views that were typical of his day, and also made great strides to alleviate suffering of natives at the hands of dastardly men, drawn to the New World because they could not get away with abuse in the old. De Las Casas should be remembered for that. Columbus was no scientist, and certainly had a mixed tenure as Governor. He however did not commit the insane atrocities ascribed to him by modern people, and he was the one that decided to brave the waves of the Atlantic on a voyage to the Caribbean that no other person had done. Even the Vikings, who had stops at Iceland and Greenland, gave up trying to settle in modern Newfoundland. Columbus was the one that bridged the new and old worlds. He is the reason that 1.02 billion people are where they are, and is responsible for one of the greatest and most influential nations on earth springing up. He should be remembered as a hero for what he did, not as a villain for what those who came after him brought, and those actions certainly shouldn’t be conflated.

[@oceanberserker]

​@@jameshojnowski8455*cough* bullshit *cough*

[@MorquishyoRadio]

Been watching many of your videos recently and i very much enjoy them but what gets me hooked in everytime is your amazing intro. it's one of the best and want you to know it.

[@hannibal9503]

found you while searching depths of KZbin, got yourself a subscriber mate, amazing video

[@HistoryBuffs]

Very glad you have joined the community!

[@badjokemaker3051]

+History Buffs Could you consider to do a video about Gerald Butlers Attila? We saw it in university here in germany to have an near christmas amusement in the seminar about television and history^^

[@HistoryBuffs]

I may do so one day, but that movie is so awful! From what I remember they have bloody trebuchets during Roman times! That really pissed me off lol

+History Buffs Are you planning a review of "Alexander" ?

[@badjokemaker3051]

History Buffs Oh yeah and they called the City he besieged already Orleans I think :D

[@ArtingFromScratch]

"Natives who tried to escape were torn apart and fed to dogs" 《ROYAL CANIN DOGFOOD COMMERCIAL AD》 🤣Omg i couldnt have planned that better🤣

[@RR-qv8uz]

A Lolita sick 😡

[@joejoelesh1197]

You know what I was not expecting in this video? THE SPANISH INQUISITION

[@naedolor]

I think that this movie is atrocious, with an amazingly good soundtrack by Vangelis, which is a godamn pity.

[@brettknoss486]

Another thing is that Moxima was a real person, who was hanged by Columbus for leading the revolt against Columbus' incompotent rule.

[@JonathanToolonie]

When people say Columbus was a hero, I show them this video.

[@boobio1]

And then find out he is a hero.

[@a.morphous66]

+yarpen26 And then I point to the 48-page report featuring testimonies from 23 different people about Columbus' cruelty towards the native population that ended up getting him removed from his position as the governor of Hispaniola and arrested.

[@michaeltaylor8501]

I'm in my 60's & up until just a couple of months ago I was actually defending Columbus; but upon recently being exposed to more history regarding him, now all I can say about his decent aspects is that he was a brave explorer (as I'm at a loss for any further praise of him).

[@henriknykvist]

-Eh, turkeys were already in Europe. He said while eating tomatoes, corn and smoking on his pipe filled with tobacco while snorting some cocaine.

[@IdgaradLyracant]

The soundtrack on the other hand is one of the greatest soundtracks ever.

[@benhac]

I LOVE how mad he gets over this stuff! The turkeys! How could They Have had Turkeys!? dude is epic😂

[@whiteknightcat]

Well, at least they didn't put zebras in the West Indies. Oh wait ...

[@SeekerLancer]

You have to admit it is pretty amazing how badly they screw up IMMEDIATELY.

[@Palmieres]

I still get very mad there are potatoes in The Lord Of The Rings movies. I know it's fantasy, but THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE POTATOES IN MIDDLE EARTH.

[@ronpaulssecretary]

@@Palmieres why? Middle-Earth is a fictional land. It isn't Europe. So why can't they have an American plant?

[@stormwanderer4672]

@@Palmieres The Elves brought them from Aman ...

[@CsnvLsRnst]

3:15 I know everything they teach about Columbus is wrong when there's a school blackboard claiming that Columbus sailed from, and returned to, England, and not Spain.

[@newalbanyairsoft]

if Tony tells me he's a hero in this household damit he's a hero to me

[@vassilyvodka2638]

Soprano reference?

[@jasontimmons1715]

@@vassilyvodka2638 duh

[@xRemRooodx]

It's kinda sick that USA have a day celebrating this man..

[@1994CPK]

it's fine, if it weren't for him, we wouldn't be here now.

[@charliewu6547]

I highly doubt that. Eventually, someone would've thought to explore West. It's just rather tragic that the first person to do it was such a deplorable man.

[@xRemRooodx]

1994CPK The portugese were right after the spanish so they would have been exploring the same islands and after them the british would have done the same. So the americas would have been the same even without Columbus. :)

[@1994CPK]

Pinta Dubbs same exact shit would've happened, most of the savages would've died and we'd still be blamed to this day

[@cartermariano]

If it wasn't Columbus, it would be Pizarro or Cortéz so, not a lot of difference.

[@AtlasNL]

I just love that on 5:32 Chrissy literally slaps the ROUND globe of the earth... Like, if they believed that the world is flat, why would they make a round ball with the map on it?!

[@HurlySheperd]

Just watching clips this film seems like a parody. This could so easily be a mel brooks film :D :D :D

[@wannabehistorian371]

.:.Oh god. XD I didn’t notice that. Wot.

[@StoryGirl17]

Yeah that was a litle confusing even before seeing this video

[@customxphoto]

God DAMN! Your intro slaps so hard man! I need this on a loop! Gets you so pumped up haha.

[@gronizherz3603]

it's literally in my workout playlist hehe

[@realitywarper936]

To be _slightly_ fair to Columbus, I'm pretty sure most of the Caribbean natives died of disease. That's not to justify or downplay his atrocities, just say that his body count is probably exaggerated.

[@laxdefender23]

+realitywarper93 The estimated initial population of the Caribbean natives is also considered now considered inflated.

[@Taospark]

+realitywarper93 The issue isn't just the direct body count due to homicide but the rape, slavery, sexual slavery, forced labor, pillage, and so forth which continued for a century in the Americas that Columbus set in motion. While a large percentage of the Caribbean natives died from disease, Columbus and his successors tried their best to kill everyone that disease spared.

[@MagicBrianTricks]

@@Taospark Why would he try and kill people instead of making them subjects?

[@samuelkuester1171]

Can you please do last of the Mohicans

[@amandamcgraw4096]

We are taught the version based on Washington Irving's bio of Columbus written in 1828.

[@kustomized4886]

When I was in 5th grade I had a cool hippi kind of teacher and at the end of the day he would take out his guitar or we would try to solve riddles. Once he read us real accounts of what Columbus did to the natives in Hispaniola. I thank him for giving us some real education. He was awesome. Thanks Mr. Link.

[@Brother_Piner]

Except it probably wasn’t, because a lot of those accounts of mistreatment are conflated from later Spaniards that had nothing to do with Columbus. Bartolomé De Las Casas himself wasn’t actually part of Columbus’ journey like this guy said he was, and was known to exaggerate his claims. Many of his accounts of later settlers got mixed up as being accounts of Columbus when they weren’t contemporary with his tenure as Governor. These accounts are firmly rooted in anti-Catholic rhetoric first popularized by the KKK, and are perpetuated by historical revisionist hippies like your teacher, who simply hate everything about western society, and want to try to crumble the image of its heroes. This is exactly what that is. It’s really funny that History Buffs mentions the Anti-Catholic, Pro-Protestant lies behind the modern perception of the Galileo affair and Spanish Inquisition, yet doesn’t do enough research to see that the same kind of anti-Catholic, Anti-Italian hatemongering are behind the modern perception of Columbus. Columbus certainly wasn’t a perfect man, but for his time, and for all history, he did a great and tremendous deed. He brought the New and Old Worlds together. De Las Casas, for his part, also did great things on behalf of the native populations, but was also a product of his time. He suggested using Africans as slaves as an alternative to Native Americans.

[@redjakOfficial]

There was a historically accurate, good movie to be made, here. The cast and cinematograpy are good, music and sets are great. Saw it in theater and liked it a lot as a kid, and it was very close to what we've been told in history class. I later learn he was bad, I didn't know it was to this extend.

[@jordanianchristian8387]

The_ jtek yes it was there is multiple accounts from different people who say that he did indeed do these crimes.

[@gigicestone4902]

@@the_jtek5142 No, by people who lived at the time and saw it with their own eyes, as they are quoted in the very video that you did not pay attention to. Ffs sake, Google has been around for over a decade, there's no excuse.

[@rg.3842]

...I saw it as a kid too...never forgot those Spanish Galleons sailing over that ocean!...I guess is the Gonnies in me...lol!

[@Brother_Piner]

@@gigicestone4902 Except he quotes someone who wasn’t on Columbus’ voyage as being there. Bartolomé De Las Casas never met Columbus, and was known to exaggerate, in addition to suggesting African slavery be used instead of Native American slavery. There is no truth here, just another tale of Columbus bashing because it’s the popular thing to do. Never mind these myths of him being excessively cruel were originated by the KKK in an attempt to put down Italian and Catholic Americans due to their bigotry against them.

[@barbaraverwilligen1925]

​@@Brother_PinerIndeed. Some ranting guy who claims the Spanish Inquisition wasn't that cruel after all... And a whole bunch of idiots who readily believe him. So America had been discovered by 'the Vikings, 500 years before?' The Polynesians had done so centuries before that. I love history being 'put right', but this narrator is full of shit and apparently proud to be so.

[@BoonHAck]

Galileo wasn't even thrown in jail for making claims about a heliocentric solar system. He was jailed for making fun of the Pope. While being his guest.

[@Anonymous-nn4sk]

Galileo was actually quite cautious.

[@Dragonwing16]

JG damn. He just gained more of my respect

[@riograndedosulball248]

And was jailed... At his own home. While gaining some gifts of the Pope too. I wish i could get like this if i was ever arrested

[@lynnmartz8739]

@@riograndedosulball248 While Galileo was eventually allowed to return home and live out his life under house arrest, he suffered greatly. He hadn't actually made fun of the Pope; he mis-judged the Pope, or at least the Pope's reaction. There was a misunderstanding, or at least that's what Galileo claimed as his defense, of how he could write about helio centricity. Putting the Church's stance that the Earth is the center of the universe into the mouth of Simplicio is what really put the Pope in a corner. That and the Reformation.

[@doyoulikedags3534]

Well, Galileo was a Catholic

[@jvacas4446]

I can't but thank you for at least adressing the Spanish Black Legend, which demonstrates your quality as an investigator. As a Spaniard I can't and won't defend the atrocities perpetrated by our inquisition and the ones that Spaniards commited in America. I just wish we weren't the only ones that must suffer such a reputation while the French, Dutch, English and Portuguese did the same as we did in that same time period. Thank you.

[@riograndedosulball248]

Principally since the germans, english and dutch did it much, MUCH worse than the Iberians

[@alwaysuseignocito3402]

Rio Grande do Sul Ball yeah hundreds of cultures and kingdoms have conquered, slaughtered and mercilessly destroyed other civilizations. Spain was no different. During the Umayyad Caliphate conquest of Spain they slaughtered and killed hundreds of thousands of Visigoths, and Franks. Same with the Mongols, Huns, Chinese and Europeans. Everyone has done it before. So don’t be ashamed about it when everyone else has done it, so they shouldn’t be talking.

[@rowmagnvs]

But you aren’t the only ones suffering s bad reputation for what happened hundreds of years ago. Just look to any western college aged and young adult demographics.

[@Miolnir3]

Actually Spain WAS different. Especially was in the antithesis of "slaughter" and "merciless destruction".The proofs are out there, do your research. Spain has no comparison in history in regards of humanitarianism. Spain as a "monster" it simply did not exist.

[@HTFWSFWWE]

Christopher Columbus comparing himself to Jesus Christ is the most believable part of this film.

[@izzojoseph2]

Yeah, because of the poor schooling myths, I didn’t realize the Greeks knew the earth was round until my second time through college when studying trig!

[@kippesnikkel5217]

A handfull of greeks knew the earth was round. 99,999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the world was conviced it was flat.

[@ukhu_pacha]

Thanks, as a native south american. I cry for my ancestors, cowards and rapers. I only hope that history will no repeat again.

[@blacktemplar9499]

"Athsia can bwe fwound to thwe west, and I will pwove ith"

[@Shade_Knightly]

Ignorance of the truth can make a monster appear as a saint to those who choose to remain ignorant.