History Buffs: The Patriot

[@LedosKell]

This movie makes a lot more sense if you think it's set in the Assassin's Creed universe, Benjamin is a former Assassin, and Tavington is a Templar looking for an Apple in Ohio.

[@harrissyed1417]

Though even ACIII is more historically accurate to the Revolution than The Patriot.

[@uja11]

@@harrissyed1417 one native American being involved in virtually every major event of the revolution is historically accurate?

[@harrissyed1417]

@@uja11 I mean it in the sense of how most of the historical elements and events are portrayed in this game.

[@Pagan20-08]

Well to be fair Connor's involvement wouldn't exactly be made public knowledge, the American Brotherhood would make sure of that.

[@harrissyed1417]

@@Pagan20-08 His interactions with George Washington and Samuel Adams would mean that there would be eyewitness testimony about Connor Kenway's involvement in the Revolution and both Founding Fathers would write a ton of letters to or about him but they wouldn't mention the Assassins or Templars out of respect for his personal safety and especially how much it would cause humanity to freak out if they found out there was a secret conflict that manipulated everyone and that they were created by a godlike race to be their slaves. He would be public knowledge to most Americans sans the whole Assassin Brotherhood stuff for the reasons that I explained. He would be an American folk hero and most people would be debating how much of his deeds are real much like Molly Pitcher.

[@jackashmore]

Mel Gibson literally kills the main villain with an American flag...this is the most American film ever

[@jjkhawaiian]

Not the villain but his poor horse.

[@bmillsistheman]

He kills him a bayonet

[@josephmalham725]

@@jjkhawaiian dont matter horse was british he shouldve seen it comin

[@jjkhawaiian]

@@josephmalham725 lol

[@claymor8241]

Yes and it’s utter shit. Coincidence?

[@TheTraakon]

Next you're going to tell me that we did not defeat the aliens in Independence Day...

[@profile1172]

Thanks, made me laugh

[@Redrogue4711]

Good one.;-)

[@stevek1225]

Will Smith punching the alien was as fake as the moon landing

[@TheTraakon]

So then "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" was not an extended episode of "How It's Made"?

[@jamiengo4987]

+TheTraakon star wars is more realistic than the Patriot

[@bobdmz6437]

“WTF IS A KILOMETER!!!” -George Washington body-slamming King George

[@dannyarcher6370]

Anachronistic but funny nonetheless.

[@Road_Rash]

*'WTF 'beeth' a kilometer?' It was the mid 1700s, after all...

[@cambs0181]

Britain uses miles as a measurement. Oh and its spelt 'kilometre'. -UK body-slamming the US education system 😂😂😂😂

[@bobdmz6437]

@@cambs0181 Breaking News: English have inferiority complex and can’t spell…

[@TheWingnut58]

@cambs0181 it's only spelled that way in countries where a 10 based counting system is required so it matches the number of fingers and toes....

[@Ritchian]

When you get down to it, the most historically accurate part of the Patriot is that there was, in fact, an American revolution against the British.

[@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard]

Ritchian lol

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

Pretty much.

[@ethanhatcher5533]

Kek

[@1IbramGaunt]

Rainbow six seige IQ no, your ancestors, not you yourselves won a protracted and bloody conflict and then every generation of 'Muricans SINCE that one refused to shut up ABOUT winning it for the next 200 years despite no-one outside your borders giving a shit, you don't hear us constantly telling the French we beat THEIR arses or the Russians saying it to the Germans or, for that matter the Chinese or Vietnamese saying it to YOU. Stereotypes exist for a reason and this is a major part of why the rest of the modern world views America as the arrogant loud-mouth that thinks nothing can touch it and doesn't really care what anyone else thinks of it

[@mrnobody9193]

1IbramGaunt yes you do, I've heard it plenty.

[@buckloski9522]

My US History teacher showed us this movie, and he paused the movie every time he spotted an inaccuracy.

[@tomboz777]

That must have been a long day.

[@veesturgess9603]

must 'have' been a long day* You may now press play again.

[@tomboz777]

I stand corrected.

[@bioout4155]

Benny Biggums, there are far better movies to show for the revolutionary war than the patriot like The crossing. I don't understand why people think this movie is supposed to be 100% accurate. Most of Mel Gibson's movies really aren't accurate and just show drama and action. Your Teacher doesn't know how to pick em lol.

[@rilesmattix5217]

you have block scheduling right? how long did you watch this? seven mo ths lol

[@guccicles]

Literally the american version of braveheart

[@ratking6203]

@@benjaminzera2731 I hope you're joking

[@ratking6203]

@@benjaminzera2731 Its not that. It's just judging by the comments on this video I wouldn't be surprised if someone legitimately felt this way.

[@ratking6203]

@C WI doubt it.

[@1128nesecret]

I always misremember them haha

[@BaronVonQuiply]

_"They may take our lives... but we'll ne'er pay...OUR TAXES!"_ Yeah, checks out.

[@whereamigoing777]

Tarleton's depiction is so ridiculously evil that I'm half expecting him to pull out a wand and start yelling "Avada Kedavra!", all while kicking house elf's named Dobby.

[@Absolutecinemakinoscorceses]

Imagine he gets a pencil and does the pencil trick from The Dark Knight

[@mariakelly90210]

@@Absolutecinemakinoscorceses Or travels to the Star Trek Discovery Prime Universe instead of the Star Trek Discovery Terran Universe.

[@Absolutecinemakinoscorceses]

@@mariakelly90210 I haven’t watched Star Trek so I don’t get it 😂

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@Absolutecinemakinoscorceses Jason Isaacs played a villain in Star Trek Discovery.

[@Absolutecinemakinoscorceses]

@@ShadowSonic2 ohhhhh

[@coollaws3]

“Historians from Britain will say I am a liar”

[@richardturner5651]

And they'll be right 🤣🤣

[@sirborkington1052]

Historians from the entire world will call him a lair too

[@AmericanMilitaryHistory]

Historians from the U.S. will say your a liar.

[@oddeyes9413]

And, they are correct sir.

[@samuelbarber4154]

All will say you are a liar, and they will not only be right, they will also be roasting you, as I am right there with them.

[@theconquerors5971]

It also downplayed French participation in the war

[@absurdist5134]

Of course!

[@nachoolo]

yeah, without the French, USA wouldnt exist. You can even say that the atacks of the Spaniards to English ships help a lot

[@lavrentivs9891]

+MR.Chickennuget 360 You forget the small strategic detail that due to the threat from France and Spain, Britain had large forces tied up at home in case of invasion. I wouldn't say that one frenchman in the film conveys how much help the USA actually got from France. As you mention yourself, France supplied weapons, uniforms and supplies which all are *vital* for fighting a war^^

[@theconquerors5971]

+MR.Chickennuget 360 yes but the movie makes it seem that there was only one French officer training militia it doesn't show the supplies they sent or that the string of victories that actually defeated the British was aided by France

[@YorkieKDS]

+The conquerors To which the American's refuse to honour their debt to France. Which resulted in the Quasi French-American war where France kicked their arses.

[@chrisguastaferro6147]

I remember I watched this in my high school history class. The point of watching it was to pick out the inaccuracies of the film. My teacher even pointed out that this film was not well received in the UK for how the British were portrayed.

[@BeeBeau]

@loudatyourdoor I think u.s.s.r was worse

[@BeeBeau]

"I remember I watched this I my highschool history class" scared me before I read the rest of the comment

[@terryf3282]

Funny how the African Americans on Mel Gibson's character's property are not slaves they just like working for him! Such a fake movie they have the British pretty much like Nazi's and the American's are all about freedom even though they have slaves but never show that in the film.

[@kendallandrews8691]

@@terryf3282 yeah it was pure American apple pie propaganda. The sad thing is many people saw it and believed it. It was a very popular movie when I was in high school.

[@captainhowlerwilson508]

I do also believe Americans hated it just as much. I believe Donald Trump would like it.

[@galesito1733]

I'm surprised that you didn't mention the fact that many of the men in this film can fire muskets from horseback with deadly accuracy.

[@seneschalorcberg1338]

Yeah, those guns can't even fire accurately while standing still, why would it be accurate with more aiming difficulties to worry about?

[@vanillaicecream2385]

@@seneschalorcberg1338 the issue comes from the military loads, they took quantity over quality in terms of accuracy, instead of like 1 maybe 2 rounds a minute with a proper sized ball, they'd rather 3-4 rounds with a ball that fits easier thus reducing accuracy but when you had hundreds firing a cloud of lead, it didn't matter

[@seneschalorcberg1338]

@@vanillaicecream2385 Yes, in an open combat where soldiers dared to form lines and fire at each other like ship cannons, the weapon fits this purpose. But quickshooting a fleeing man on horseback wouldn't.

[@vanillaicecream2385]

@@seneschalorcberg1338 i was just explaining why you were incorrect about muskets being inaccurate, if you had a ball that fit the bore size you would be surprised on how well it aims

[@seneschalorcberg1338]

@@vanillaicecream2385 You're right. I am suprised.

[@gunterdak]

Notice how every English person in this movie, including low ranking soldiers, have posh accents?

[@Zooumberg]

Don't you know old boy all British have posh accents? ;)

[@AllCanadiaReject]

Do we ever hear low ranking soldiers talk? I'm pretty sure Tavington, Cornwallis, Cornwallis' gay looking friend, and that Lieutenant at the beginning are the only British people that say anything more than "For the love of God, we surrender!"

[@kieransteele5953]

Americans don't know the difference

[@dernwine]

You know what I'm saying blood! He said I can't wear my new trousers because they ain't uniform, that's like against my basic human rights. Isn't it though? Isn't it? Standard.

[@gunterdak]

dernwine For sho. You know what I'm saying like that can't actually do that because thats like actually assault.

[@OldRedandGold]

Jason Isaacs was one hell of a villain in this movie though. Dude's one of my favorite actors.

[@konghammer6061]

It's a roll he seems fit for, you should watch star trek discovery, just get ready for a mind fuck.lol

[@wedgeantilles1498]

Agree

[@Thoralmir]

Shame he got turned into Ralph Finnes' whipping boy in the Harry Potter series.

[@mrvulture8981]

He was one of better parts of this movie

[@Daeduluus]

@@konghammer6061 should warn people though how horrible that show is before you send them to that mess haha

[@andrewpytko4773]

Mel Gibson argued with director Roland Emmerich that his character should be a slave owner. Emmerich nixed on the grounds that the audience wouldn't accept his character. Gibson argued that the movie would be better if his character was and they could have had an honest discussion about it in the film.

[@1Actorrman]

That's interesting hearing about Gibson and the director. However, I disagree with many points made by Nick. I loved this film - which happened to distort events as many other historical films do. Yes, there were free African Americans and enslaved African Americans - many who were mistreated by British and Americans alike. And Nick failed to show moments in the film where British troops expressed or demonstrated sympathy or disfavor with what was perpetrated to the Colonists. I can go on, but I feel this movie (wonderfully cast and filmed) made you see "historic" events warts and all. And it was effective in my view.

[@poshboy4749]

@@1ActorrmanBut they made a load of things that the British did. It's making up the warts.

[@attackpatterndelta8949]

@@1Actorrman shooting British soldiers who were surrendering would be classed as a war crime. But this is brushed off with the line “They’re red coats...they’ve earned it.” This film was nothing more than anti British propaganda, and it got to the point where I cheered when Tavington killed two of Martin’s sons. After all, they were insurrectionists...they’d earned it.

[@nirvanalama8493]

Lol, these dumbfucks arguing about the events that took place in a movie that is historically not accurate. Dumbfucks from Dumbfuckinstan.

[@calistoyew1313]

@Andrew Gray do you think vigilante justice is any way to run society?

[@kakarotwolf]

I like how the rebels all have a perfect modern American accent already 💀

[@jonhunt2411]

Read Albion’s seed. It helped me understand the accents

[@jwillwilliams885]

I mean… I loved this movie as a kid. But movies like this have shown me how strong propaganda can be.

[@s6748-z5j]

the americans had a distinct accent even back then. They didnt sound like the british. Im not saying they sounded like modern americans either

[@kakarotwolf]

@@s6748-z5j so then, what's the point of the comment? Lol I'm sure we all know that already, my point was that it's funny that they already sound like modern Americans. 💀

[@stevo271]

ikr? The brits didnt even talk like modern brits either

[@kylenu8311]

It's funny how Assassin's Creed 3 is more accurate than this movie

[@antonfredricson9205]

I Saw this comment while playing assassin's Creed 3

[@Indigo_1001]

Burleon ... the worst part is that it kinda is 😂, despite being heavily historical fiction.

[@beefychief3355]

One thing I’ll give Ubisoft. They’re pretty good with time period accuracy

[@marquisdelafayette1929]

Wanna watch a good show try TURN:Washington’s Spies.

[@marquisdelafayette1929]

Yes. Also, a good show is TURN: Washington’s Spies. And in the Patriot the French do nothing , just show up at the end? 🤔 all their gunpowder, muskets, cannon, etc were from France and they provided clothing and helped pay the soldiers money they owed.

[@RyanKing00]

Ah yes, Braveheart 2: American Bogaloo

[@taitjones6310]

Yes! lmao. A reference to Breakin'.

[@teckzilla108]

Touché

[@MM-qi5mk]

hahahah , Bravo Sir. Literal LOL

[@NatureBoyMickFlair]

😂😂💀

[@statosphereonline2008]

tears of laughter. 10/10. Just picturing danny devito running with a tomahawk and tri corne hat towards the redcoats through the cannonfire smoke.

[@Sonnedude]

“I can’t shake this feeling that The Patriot has a very anti-British sentiment.” * spits out coffee laughing* No shit

[@lesliverspy3095]

I know right!? I mean americans portrayed as bad guys thats ok with everyone and anyone but british being bad guys woah guys thats fecken bs

[@rikosaikawa9024]

Lol that’s the point! Just like they’re responsible for the potato famine

[@sniff_3512]

Riko Saikawa I thought the disease that infected the potatoes were responsible lol

[@steveholbrom8424]

Sniff _ the plight of the blight

[@ThRealOJT]

Funny how you ignore facts like Francis Marion being a slave owner though hahahah.

[@jimboscooter432]

A guy talking with a British accent not liking The Patriot, I'm so shocked 😅

[@douglastaggart9360]

Well what do you expect when your country is being smeared .

[@rileycantreid3806]

He’s actually really unbiased but yes it is funny

[@tedeitel8060]

Right? Maybe he should do one on WW2 when thousand of Americans died to keep them from speaking German?

[@_SimpleJack_]

In his defence the film is a load of fictional garbage.

[@tomben6180]

Because it’s utter ahistorical garbage and like Braveheart just perpetuates Anglophobia

[@disc_golfing_with_d]

Beyond the historical inaccuracy, the battle scenes were well done in my opinion.

[@LordNinja109]

Love the battles, hate any scene with Mel Gibson though

[@theoneandonlyme9731]

Honestly, that works against the film, because like Nick said in his Apocalypto review, such attempts at faithfulness give the film a false layer of authenticity, leading moviegoers to believe that the film is an accurate portrayal of history, when in this case, it’s thinly-veiled Anti-British Propaganda.

[@bears9055]

The battles were cool

[@flag5enemyinsight397]

Still too many people running around at random instead of rank and file and very little battle casualties were caused by close combat. The one thing I liked was that cannons actually used cannon balls rather than 20th century explosive rounds. You want great battle scenes try Gettysburg.

[@maurioooe1973]

The final battle scene was pretty good when you put aside Mel Gibson and his flag

[@mal_3157]

It’s like Mel Gibson was friend zoned by an English girl in high school and has been trying to get back at England ever since

[@kysike666]

Just like u ha Simp

[@mal_3157]

kysike666 haha simp normie

[@JunguianPhantom]

Great theory hahaha

[@mal_3157]

Audairevonetta haha simp I’m intellectually better lol

[@far0145]

He probably was indeed friend zoned

[@RueDoesThings]

“Tell me about... Ohio.” You don’t wanna come here m8. Lemme tell ya, all we have is big cities with C’s in them and crippling depression.

[@ronniesimone7995]

Scruffy the Unshaven “mistake on the lake”

[@JDthegamer209]

As another Ohioan I 100% agree

[@LunaDelTuna]

I've been petitioning to turn Ohio into another great lake for years but I haven't gotten very far.

[@ginnrollins211]

Hey, at least you're not Detroit.

[@orcabattista8919]

LaRue Does Things Ohio ain’t all bad, go Buckeyes

[@DK-gy7ll]

When I was in China they had a series of patriotic movies on TV which portrayed Mao as a kind and great man who united the Chinese people, and Americans were portrayed as evil aggressors and imperialists during the communist takeover and later during the Korean War. Basically, almost every country's popular media does this sort of thing. Even Japan now is making war movies that portray their role in World War Two as some sort of nostalgic Lost Cause, instead of showing just how brutal they really were.

[@Boristheborat]

Where'd you live?

[@zainmudassir2964]

Hope Pakistan also makes own version of the Patriot

[@huguesdepayens807]

This is literally nothing like that.

[@RamboSambo2350]

No only creepy ultra nationalistic countries do this..like China and America

[@TheSphee131]

I should get watching on Japanese World War Two movies then.

[@TheJim9191]

I read somewhere that Tarleton's descendants actually sued the filmmakers for their portrayal of him as this absurd monster.

[@nathanjohnwilliamson7675]

Haha Im gonna research this. I do hope it’s true

[@matthewsmith5374]

Suing a tabloid for libel. How very British of them.

[@samuelbarber6177]

And when they call him the ‘Butcher’ that’s quite an achievement

[@samuelbarber6177]

@@matthewsmith5374 Filmmakers, not tabloids

[@markchambers3833]

On what grounds could they sue? Libel laws don't protect the dead. And Tarleton's been dead for almost 200 years. (Besides which, it isn't Sir Banastre Tarleton in the film, regardless of how much he may have "inspired" the character.)

[@flag5enemyinsight397]

Tavington clearly led the "Das Reich Regiment' of the British Army in the revolutionary war.

[@501ststormtrooper9]

Very.

[@ey7290]

British Freikorps

[@dandelion40k87]

But... Wouldn't they be Prussians if that is the case?

[@MarvinT0606]

love the shoutout to Come and See (1985) when Tavington's men burned down a church packed with people

[@LedosKell]

I was 9 or 10 when this movie came out. My love of history started young so I paid more attention to my elementary school history classes. Studying the Revolution we had a 'German day' where we focused on Steuben, Pulaski (my teacher's words were 'Poland was mostly ruled by Germans at this time.' which is why he was included), and the Hessians. From that lesson I remembered the Hessians had green uniforms, so my child mind made the conclusion Tavington was a Hessian/German mercenary because he had some green on his uniform.

[@jongon0848]

I don't get why the makers of this film were afraid to make the main protagonist a slave owner, an audience can still identify with him as a human being but also realize that he is a product of his time. Slavery is a terrible part of our history, but regardless it's a part of history that simply can't be erased.

[@williamwalton9154]

Its a good comment, but today's regressive left would like for you to hold their collective beer.

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

Unfortunately, the more and more I get on in years the more I fear that 'the audience can't handle the truth' is the phrase of the day, so to speak. Too much diving for the lower common denominators...

[@natenbox64]

A dumb patriotic film directed by the German who brought you 2012 and ID: Resurgence.

[@amaitilasso]

I read something back when it came out about the film maker being told he could not depict a slave owner as a hero. They wanted him to make it about a guy from Boston but he wanted to show the war in the south because it isn't usually depicted. Making the hero free his slaves when his wife died was their compromise. In fact according to the interview a lot of the things in the movie that pissed everyone off ended up being the concessions both sides made so the would offend one group or the other. The ended up trying to be PC and pissing off everyone.

[@johnbarb8344]

J.G Productions who cares you guys owned slaves

[@duhmonke]

This movie was insanely accurate (I was there)

[@Mythrays1]

AMERICA!

[@cambs0181]

@@Mythrays1 Almost like comments section tourettes!

[@AshesWorkshop]

Thank you for your service 🫡 from a veteran of the second battle of Hoover Dam

[@duhmonke]

@@AshesWorkshop which side 😂😭

[@heinrichreynolds7987]

Me too.

[@michealfreer9283]

most historically accurate mel gibson film? mad max

[@patrickkaleja9581]

Hacksaw Ridge is accurate enough, we were Soldiers is lookable.

[@michealfreer9283]

@@patrickkaleja9581 got to admit I did know that and did enjoy both but mel gibson did lose the plot on the other fims

[@dubbie17]

Givin all the ladies heart attacks?

[@shawnn7502]

Braveheart is actually pretty historically accurate. Things didn't occur in the manner that is shown in the movie, but they DID happen. Here are examples: 1. William Wallace was socially about the equivalent of the guy shown in the movie. 2. Wallace's rebellion DID start over an English noble killing a woman Wallace allegedly loved. 3. King Edward I did invade Scotland prior and massacred a town, giving himself a very grim reputation in Scotland. 4. King Edward 's son was suspected of being gay. His lover was eventually executed, just NOT in the manner shown in the movie (GREAT scene, BTW). 5. The Battle of Sterling Bridge WAS Wallace's big victory, though the battle wasn't anything like what was shown in the movie. 6. The Battle of Falkirk was almost exactly as depicted except for the stupid part with the Irish, done for laughs. 7. Wallace was betrayed by Scotland's nobles and executed as shown. 8. The Queen DID have an affair with a foreign enemy of the King, just not William Wallace. She did end up overthrowing the King, as is foreshadowed in the movie.

[@Krissada1000]

"What women want" is much more accurate.

[@WhaleManMan]

Fun unsurprising fact: The same dude who directed this directed Independence Day.

[@TheSuperQuail]

A German who has a real hard-on for America

[@baconman5044]

Independence day was a good film tho this is not

[@kyleshiflet9952]

@@baconman5044 Independence Day was awesome

[@bigbluburry7450]

@@baconman5044 yea and it was more historically accurate than this film

[@tanklessbunny3992]

I’m beginning to see a pattern here...

[@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035]

Nobody mentions another striking inaccuracy: the actor playing Lafayette. In real life, Marquis de Lafayette was only 18 or 19 at the time the movie takes place (which is 1776). He was a young man starting his carrier. But here the actor (though he gives a very good performance) seems to be in his late forties or early fifties. In real life, Lafayette again visited the United States at the invitation of the then President Monroe in the Grand Tour of 1824 when he, himself was middle-aged.

[@TrevJ91]

On the contrary, Lafayette is a black man from Oakland with curly hair and insane rap skills! 😉

[@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035]

@@TrevJ91 Lol!

[@renaudtheis1197]

His name is Cheky Karyo. I don't think he's meant to represent Marquis de Lafayette. In real life he came leading a army with artillery, something the Americans didn't have, and back by a navy that defeated the British navy. I think this character in the movie is just "a Frenchman "!

[@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035]

@@renaudtheis1197 Thanks for notifying me! I made a huge mistake. He doesn't play Lafayette, but a completely fictional character called Jean Villeneuve. He is not to be confused with Jean-Charles Villeneuve - the French naval officer who served under Napolean and was at Trafalgar. Though I think the former is lightly based on or at least inspired by him. It's just that, the character here is like a substitute for Lafayette, he is at almost every place Lafayette is supposed to be, that I made the assumption. Again, I withdraw my former comment and apologize for any misunderstanding I may have caused. This is an erratum.

[@MarvinT0606]

@@dwaipayanroychowdhury7035 Lafayette was higher up in the ranks though there were plenty of French troops and officers late in the war.

[@PPISAFETY]

Like many others, I found this movie entertaining, if you can suspend disbelief for most of it. I tend to believe Nick is right that had the church fire actually happened, we'd still be hearing about it today and it would have been taught to my generation in school (I'm 65). A few years ago I was living in the Philippines and there is a spot in the walled city of Intramuros where the Japanese reportedly buried 600 Americans and Filipinos alive in a cave. The place is still treated as a shrine and every school child learns about it. So I think it would be much the same here if such an atrocity really happened. One of the most interesting things I saw in the Patriot were the talks between Cornwallis and Benjamin Martin that apparently took place under flag of truce for the "prisoner exchange where Martin could not be touched because he was there under that flag. I wonder if such was actually a custom of war at the time. I also found it interesting that the British were appalled at the targeting of officers. That seemed to have the ring of truth to it.

[@kulgan18]

The patriot is basically like braveheart but in america.

[@Concetta20]

Good point.

[@ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723]

+NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-Incorporated :D..... I love your username

[@vre6004]

+kulgan18 Yeh and both by Mel Gibson...and both say fuck you to England...hmmmmmmm MEL

[@Oberstgreup]

And Braveheart is equally offensive to anyone who cares about history.

[@liamcdm3689]

Oberstgreup I just like the soundtrack.

[@drswan1987]

Really I thought the most unrealistic thing in this movie was when a women stood up in a church and basically called every man in the room a coward and there were no consequences

[@raptonsoul2557]

Common tactic governments use to convince young man to join the war, the British did this during ww1 for examples

[@drfye]

@@raptonsoul2557 white feather campaign? I thought the 4 feathers was a retty good movie as well.

[@dansands8140]

The idea that women were looked down upon as second class citizens is a myth. They were not expected to receive education or work outside the home, but nobody thought they were incapable of these things. Men were enfranchised because they could hold a weapon and threaten the king, not because they were men.

[@konnorrockkonnoisseur4970]

Douglas Swancer the unrealistic thing was the accuracy Tavington’s flintlock. That man sniped a dude from like 70 years away while on horseback

[@agoodboy1404]

@@konnorrockkonnoisseur4970 a time travel bullet?

[@rickcoona8368]

the First and most successful *BREXIT* ever

[@jameswatsonatheistgamer]

Not really. The treaty of paris and 1814 1818 tied America to us forever.

[@andrewmcclean823]

@Ned Chil Believe me. that was not the first time you pissed off Europe.

[@tyroneperkins1463]

LOL

[@AnnabelRoss6789]

You forgot successful too.

[@brianjacob8728]

@@jameswatsonatheistgamer More than that. This war was fought over central banking. The fact that the Bank of England continued to run its central bank in the US after both the Revolution and the War of 1812 tells you who REALLY won these wars (it wasn't the US). Andrew Jackson temporarily threw off the central bank in 1832, but the US has since been pulled back into central banking and the Federal Reserve is owned and operated primarily by European interests. IOW, most Americans don't know they are still a colony of Great Britain (which is controlled by the Vatican.). You've been played (many times), folks.

[@chris7921]

Wouldn’t the American colonies have had slightly British accents still? And that’s another thing that boggles my mind, how did the accents come about when the colonies that went out there all spoke British

[@kumakatoki6510]

Interestingly! The modern "British" accent is relatively new! After the Revolutionary war is when the upper class citizens in England began to create the non-rhotic accent that we know today! The current American accent would be closer to what both sides spoke back then, but it would still sound wayy different, but both accents evolved from there.

[@archangel6676]

@@kumakatoki6510 no..... No...... No, no, just no! The american accent is nothing like the original english!

[@almor2445]

There was no "English accent" as each county had drastically different accents, some even close to being their own languages or dialects. A Cockney wouldn't be able to understand a Cumbrian without difficulty and vice versa. What most people think of as "English" is received pronunciation which wouldn't have been common then at all. A lot of Brits abroad would've had regional accents like the Bristol or West Country drawl that has a similar "R" to most North American accents.

[@MH3GL]

Going out on a limb here... Since the New England area is the longest and most established area for white Europeans, my guess is that that accent hasn't changed a whole lot in the last 250yrs... So, if you want to know what Washington sounded like... Go talk to New Englander. Just a guess... 🤷

[@kumakatoki6510]

@@MH3GL You would think! though even after the revolution, New England's connection to England still stayed strong! Immigration from England to New England was still strong! That's why some New England accents adopted the dropping of the rhotic R as well. I think there is an island in Virginia that speaks a preserved English of the time.

[@LightsaberSkillz]

This movie has nothing to do with Tom Brady or Steve Rogers. Dafuq...

[@marciaj8262]

Heh

[@bigbluburry7450]

yea and i hear Bill Belichick wasn't even brought up in this one

[@tumsfestival8027]

The funniest part to me was when the British freed the slaves, and the movie portrayed this as a sad dramatic scene

[@tumsfestival8027]

@@frocat5163 except they got freedom after. The ones that fought for us were still slaves after. Britain also abolished the slave trade by 1807. And we’re debating it’s justification as early as 1776.

[@afriendlycadian9857]

@@frocat5163 i could of sworn that the us freed them after the british

[@tumsfestival8027]

@@afriendlycadian9857 they did. That’s why he deleted his comment. Lmao. Who said you can’t win arguments on KZbin?

[@janetstoker893]

Actually Tavington took them and made them fight in the British army. He did not set them free.

[@markchambers3833]

@@janetstoker893 But that, like almost everything else in this film, is utter bullsh*t. Tavington is a ridiculously exaggerated travesty of Sir Banastre Tarleton. It's based on a widely held view of Tarleton that is already wildly exaggerated, dubious and controversial. The offer made to slaves by the British was to _volunteer_ to fight in exchange for freedom, which offer was later matched by the Continental Army.

[@aidanrogers4438]

11:15 The best thing to come from this film is the scene of the British officer laughing and giving us the _Laughs in British_ meme.

[@nyxnecrodragon4256]

That's the only thing to come from this film

[@Sidedlist]

And the... America: hey france we need help in a war France: sorry I’m broke America: it’s against the British France:*Boats go vroom*

[@IsaiahRichards692]

And the RuleBritannia.exe!

[@foch152]

@@IsaiahRichards692 from Kaiser Vs?

[@Shoofgamergaming]

And the "If I die I will die well dressed" meme

[@OneofInfinity.]

As a parent the part with his younger daughter not talking to him is very close to home for me, that scene always tears me up.

[@Elpresidente98]

I would usually just skip to the battles and action scenes because they're the only real takeaway from this movie for me. After that, I would load up Empire Total War and have fun.

[@rasmuskvthomsen4133]

xD

[@zacharyhoyte493]

Amen

[@evansmith5161]

The way they fought wasn't actually...so... yeah...

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

El Prez the staged choreographed movie war was the true historical part to you? Books- check um out at your local library

[@Niko-ri4rs]

El Prez HELL YEAH

[@devingrubbs]

As an American I can confidently say that the uploader being British is irrelevant to any claims made in this video. Everything he says is on point and without bias, unlike the film itself (he even points out that there are many factual British atrocities that could have replaced the BS in this film). This video is about historical accuracy, not nationalism on either side. Those of you in the comments dismissing this video just because he is a Brit are merely deflecting because you can't come up with any valid counter-arguments to his criticisms. The Patriot was a fun watch when I was a kid but to watch it as an adult and still take it at face-value is just absurd.

[@HistoryBuffs]

Thank you so much Devin for saying that. I was hoping that I had made myself clear in the video itself that my only criticism is against the film. Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots who take offense based on my nationality and assume that just because I'm British I am naturally on their side of this conflict when that couldn't be further from the truth. So once again thank you for taking the time to write your comment and understanding the point I was trying to make. :)

[@devingrubbs]

Hey Nick! Sorry for the late reply, for some reason I just now got the notification in my email. You're very welcome! Someone has to keep the trolls in check, right? Haha. Take care and keep up the great work!

[@generybarczyk6993]

Whoa back there, Buckaroo! When did _The Patriot_ become a historical film? Historical setting, certainly. Borrowed some historical elements, sure, how could it have been otherwise? But I, for one, never thought I was watching a portrayal that purported to be historically accurate. . Rather, it is a good guys versus bad guys story. The bad guys are despicable, the good guys all live by the Boy Scout oath. So some of the exploits of Francis Marion and Banastre Tarleton lent realism to the story; is there any actual subterfuge taking place? Was the movie prefaced with the title, "This is a true story?" Everything the nominated bad guys do is low and mean and when the good guys do the same thing, it's for God, motherhood and apple pie. The bad guys are motivated by avarice, the good guys by the purity of their consciences. This is standard, conflict-centered, dark side/light side, swashbuckled storytelling. Besides, if it was historically accurate it would have been ten hours long and boring as all get-out. . Granted, casting a historical glance at the film is worthwhile, but castigating it for historical inaccuracy when none was promised perhaps speaks more about the sensitivities of the reviewer than the entertainment value of the story told. Just remember: No taxation without representation!

[@devingrubbs]

Most people, myself included, look at it the same way you do: This isn't real, it's historical fiction, good vs. bad, etc. But there are less intelligent folks out there who might take it at face value which is the whole origin of the debate re: how history is represented in mainstream films and who is responsible, the filmmaker or the viewer? I'm sure we both agree that responsibility falls on the viewer. I was mainly responding to people in the comments who were saying dumb things about Nick's nationality like it had anything to do with his arguments.

[@apachesparatan5849]

Because America that's why. But really this actually true, being British doesn't change anything. The facts are that both sides aren't innocent. The movie is good watch, but it's not even accurate to history.

[@BladeOMac]

Mel Gibson has been in several anti English films: Braveheart The Patriot Gallipoli

[@A-Rather-Dubious-Character]

Maaayyybbbeee.

[@TryanaTheGoober]

I think Mel Gibson doesn't like the British Empire

[@ab497]

@Alex The Awsome Liam Neeson dealt with that already in 'Rob Roy' (1995)

[@TheSergentChaotix]

How is Gallipoli anti english ?

[@JoshuaKimbrough]

@@TheSergentChaotix because the British government knowingly sent thousands of Australians to their death as a war strategy. Mel Gibson is Australian

[@christophervickers6484]

Now, imagine you are an English kid, sitting in an american 7th grade history class while this movie plays, and everytime Tavington or the redcoats do something terrible the whole class turns and glares at you...

[@victorywalkingtours8843]

That's terrible 😢

[@royalcanadianmapping5191]

There's already a Loyalists vs Patriots war in the comments.

[@beatlesandbeyondarchives2421]

For 'Patriot' read 'Traitor'

[@royalcanadianmapping5191]

+BeatlesandBeyond Archives true

[@bruzzy1071]

+BeatlesandBeyond Archives And for "loyalists" read "tyrants"

[@beatlesandbeyondarchives2421]

Considering that only 1/3 of the Colonists wanted Independence - and most were duped by lies, I'd say that I am quite correct

[@bruzzy1071]

+BeatlesandBeyond Archives No. You are still upset that the Great Britain lost the war.

[@attackpatterndelta8949]

“Tell me about Ohio” Well, Cleveland is in Ohio, and all of Cleveland’s sports teams are crap.

[@sharigagliardo7204]

Well the browns did really well this season and made it to the playoffs soooo......

[@davidparkes7741]

What about the Cavs?

[@ImperatorofNewEngland]

The Browns are pretty good (and look lethal this upcoming season), the Blue Jackets need some retooling, and there's nothing good to say about the Cavs. But if I were to pick a shitty sports city, it'd be Cincinnati. They have one team that hasn't won a playoff game in decades. And the worst part is that they've won their division a few times and still failed to win a playoff game, giving fans the illusion of hope.

[@yannick245]

@@davidparkes7741 I'm not too much into american sports but they were NBA champs with LeBron not that long ago, right?!

[@christianabbott9048]

I’m sure they’re way better than any Georgia team 😂😂

[@beatthegreat7020]

“Something was happening that had never happened before.” I hear the faint sound of Dutch people screaming.

[@IRussian007]

Lol true, everyone forgets the united provinces.

[@AtlasNL]

Beat The Great the American declaration of independence is also largely inspired by het Plakkaat van Verlatinghe (the Dutch DoI)

[@larmoth401]

@@AtlasNL Also the Magna Carta from British Law.

[@odysseyisland2235]

Even the musical "1776" wasn't afraid to accurately depict some of the founding fathers as slave owners.

[@nolan738]

This movie portrays Red Coats as the SS.

[@palaven4048]

Not at all?

[@0205-z9y]

As said by the guy over me, the SS weren't comic book villains like Hollywood and some "historians" like so much to depict. There's reasons why in the end they were capable to build a massive army of half a million men, 60% of them not Germans and ALL volunteers.

[@callmeastaire5700]

Were they not comparable?

[@Medved725]

yeah well like the video said, they should've covered something the British actually did, rather than make something up.

[@shadowwarriorshockwave3281]

Nolan there was a British officer in the Carolinas who did similar things

[@TheAqualinda]

kid: _kills red coats_ red coats: imprision him mel gibson: *OmG HoW CoULd You DO DiS*?!?!1!!

[@josearmandogomezrocabado537]

TheAqualinda jajaja never though it that way... it also always bugs me how poorly armed and trained people are able to kill professional soldiers like they are grunts...

[@Tarkus-Ivalice-dweller]

well, being a trained soldier doesn't make you magically immune to bullets or ambushes.

[@Batmanindustries48]

Lover Boy you know this is historical fiction so how are you expecting people to have common sense? It’s made by people in Hollywood that has never been in any real world situation.

[@DYLANJJK94]

They can’t kill the main character off but why not his two kids along with his other son that was killed lol or simply write a different scene if they can’t work around the world’s most professional soldiers being good at their job.....

[@R005TERILLUSION]

they were gonna hang him and they just killed his other son

[@kangaskhan7164]

*Man i didn’t know the nazis existed in the revolutionary war*

[@M3A7]

You don't know history then.

[@michaeldiebold8847]

The National Socialists didnt exist, but people like them have always existed.

[@pewdiepaulproductions6339]

@@PhilK112 national sosolists were not left they were of the right

[@servantapashia7724]

Phil K antifa is anti Jew? link please :)

[@justinden7472]

They did not world war2 had them

[@vcupiano]

As always well done, I’m never ceased to be amazed at how much research was done to create these fantastic videos. I can’t get enough, keep them coming!

[@kevinrobinson6601]

who would have guessed that a movie called "The Patriot" was going to be overtly Patriotic

[@EmulatorNoob]

It's not patriotic. It's chauvinistic

[@LiveErrors]

its less Patriotic and more Nationalistic

[@catriona_drummond]

It should rightfully be called "The Jingo"

[@evanremillard5640]

As an American, this movie poses me off. As a soldier it infuriates me. I am a patriot, I fight for my country and it's citizens. This film is a mel Gibson jerk off session coached in false patriotism.

[@LiveErrors]

@ Since you are under a bridge why cant you just do like water

[@RÅNÇIÐ]

"Master has given America a sock. America is free!"

[@bobokin5815]

Dobby :(

[@HealthWithHilary]

🤣

[@os8mm178]

‘Murica

[@victorywalkingtours8843]

😂😂😂😂

[@Adumb_]

People complaining in the comments about him getting upset about the inaccuracies in the movie. I'm confused, this is the history buffs channel, it is dedicated to that very thing. This 'ain't no movie review channel. This review serves the purpose to compare the event in the movie with real fact, opinions don't come into it. Obviously it would be stupid to pick on inaccuracies in a fiction film however this film boasts a historical story with the characters being based on real people, you can't just pick and choose when you want to be a historical movie, either make a historical movie and try to stick to the fact as close as possible or make the movie with fictional elements such as not including real people who actually existed.

[@Demortra]

I think it was the fact he directed it from what is wrong with the movie, to what is wrong with the British in the movie.

[@KingofGermanic]

The problem is that his knowledge of the American revolution is very one dimensional. It's a Historical Fiction and the presence of character t hat didn't actually exist is understandable

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

well say what you will, he's letting his opinions spill into this review. mind you, is impossible not to let at least some of your personal opinions out no matter the case, so take that for whatever it's worth.

[@Wiccanwolf08]

@@Demortra Kinda hard to separate the two. It seems as though the directors went full tilt trying to demonize the British, to the point where they exhibit stereotypes and have the soldiers do things that never happened. Most of the other stuff in the movie is pretty accurate, but the movie's main selling point is American freedom juxtaposed with British elitism, so its hard to point out the inaccuracies of the movie without also criticizing the portrayal of the British at length.

[@Demortra]

@@Wiccanwolf08 The villain had to be portrayed as the worst of the opposing side, they even go as far to show the ghost and his former militia committing the same atrocities, even describing the event that took place in the French Indian war. Yet he does not mention any of it, this is historical fiction as with most movies about times in history before the 21st century. This is not a review of the full movie and all its inaccuracies, just his personal preferences, it becomes more blatant as you watch his channel, especially if Britain or Christianity is portrayed poorly, he chooses to leave out lines that show why a character is a villain or dark deeds done by one side, so he can create his own narrative.

[@charlesdeleo4608]

You know what struck me? The same actor who played Tavington, James Isaac, also played the role of General Zhukov in The Death of Stalin.

[@srdfh1]

Also Lucious Malfoy in Harry Potter.

[@justapekinduck3558]

SO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME MEL GIBSON IS JUST AN ACTOR

[@DWHalse]

Now that’s funny!!

[@Jeff9691]

No.. tell me this isn't true! I firmly believed he was wizard! :(

[@hdwblade]

Right!? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Thefirefighter2631]

You’re a wizard Mel

[@rodwhiteman3299]

I thought his portrayal of Max Rockatansky is his most historically accurate piece of work ;-)

[@thehat2243]

"The most un-massacre massacre in the history of massacres." 😂

[@hadoken95]

I still think the Bowling Green Massacre tops the Boston Massacre in it's un-massacre-ness :P

[@Sacrilege83]

Brazil (1) vs Germany (7)? Anyone?

[@josearmandogomezrocabado537]

Sacrilege83 Bolivia (6) Argentina (1) also....

[@MsSwitchblade13]

Really. I was IN Boston visiting, listening to this story and when I heard "5 people" I was like... "Oh ...so it was a disagreement?"

[@Spar10Leonidas]

Interestingly (if I remember correctly), Mel Gibson himself criticized the fact that Benjamin Martin had black servants rather than slaves. He said it felt like a real cop-out.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

Of course that didn't stop him from playing the role and collecting his millions for it.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

Mel Gibson demands historical accuracy would have a better ring to it.

[@lokynokey4822]

So, now actors should stop playing roles that they do not agree with? We would be at a loss of many movies if that were the case.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

I didn't say they were under any obligation to do that, but they certainly have the option to do so if they want too.

[@lokynokey4822]

TheStapleGunKid If they want to have normal careers then no.

[@BuzzBeumeler]

Just saw your reaction. I used some of the battle scenes from the movie in history class to illustrate the style of combat at the time and talk about the weapons used. I agree that this went way over the top regarding the activities of the British. I don't know if you have seen the movie 'Revolution' with Al Pacino. It would be good to get your perspective from this movie and is based upon the American Revolution. I personally think it is well done.

[@dwwest8168]

The Patriot. aka Braveheart 2.0 I love how insanely accurate those smooth bore pistols, firing a round ball are at range. In reality most of the shots we see in the movie made with pistols would be hard to make with the Brown Bess musket, that might hit a man sized target at 75 to 100yds. Maybe.

[@RabidNemo]

Exactly! Even being a good marksman with those smooth bores and round balls they were so much more susceptible to windage etc I had a history teacher who wants to scribed a musket ball as being like a knuckleball in baseball because it just kind of moves around unpredictably especially over greater distances

[@dwwest8168]

@@RabidNemo Yeah, Pennsylvania rifles were only reliably accurate to about 200yds.

[@dwwest8168]

@@mikeishome69 What?

[@dwwest8168]

@@mikeishome69 Whatever you say.

[@dwwest8168]

@@mikeishome69 So how do you know this? And who brought up the meters vs yards? Who cares about that?

[@joshuacooley1417]

I think your criticism of the movie is fair and I personally never much cared for it (the movie). However, your own understanding of American History seems a bit 1 dimensional as well. For example... Taxation without representation - This was one of the most important issues leading up to the Revolution but it is often somewhat misunderstood because the emphasis is placed on the taxation part, as you did in your review. Taxation was not the issue. It was the combination of taxation without direct representation in parliament. The issue here was NOT that this is a violation not of American Ideals, but of the basic rights of Englishmen. The English through their own long standing legal and political tradition established the principle that the Parliament controlled taxation precisely so that the English subjects could not have taxes levied against them without their own consent. The statement that the colonists were English subjects and therefore had representation is simply wrong, and is really the entire point. They were upset BECAUSE they were English subjects who DID NOT have representation in parliament. If the King had done such a thing in England, the English would likely have revolted as well. The actions of the government were basically violations of the English Bill of Rights that was enacted after the "Glorious Revolution" of 1688. The Colonists were not upset because their unique American sensibilities were not being respected, they were upset because their inherent rights as Englishmen were being trampled by the King. Even English Statesmen like Edmund Burke basically agreed with the American Colonial grievances and were sympathetic to the Revolution. There were other similar issues, such as the forced quartering of British troops etc, which were similarly seen as violations of the basic rights of English subjects. Essentially the situation would be something like if you were to move to a new state or province, and as a result the government turned you into a second class citizen and revoked the normal rights and protections that all other citizens have. The issue of slavery is also often misrepresented because the complexities that actually existed at the time are ignored. You cite the declaration of independence in your video but when Thomas Jefferson wrote the original version of the Declaration it included a paragraph condemning slavery. Many of the people like Jefferson and Washington were against slavery and recognized that it was a violation of the very principles they were fighting for. However, there were also many people who did not, particularly in the Carolina colonies. As a result, they had to make a choice between outlawing slavery and thus fracturing the colonies making independence impossible, or allowing slavery to continue hoping that in a free society it would soon die out. In addition, the laws at the time made it very difficult if not impossible to simply free slaves. People like Jefferson and Washington inherited slaves with their lands and the laws were set up to keep the estates together. As a result, what you see with those who were against slavery is they frequently would free their slaves in their last will and testament. This was because it was about the only time it could be done without massive penalties under the law. They tried to effect change in the laws but were unable to do so within their own lifetime.

[@lancekerns16]

Joshua Cooley thank you sir for the best comment on this video.

[@bouttreefiddy6163]

Joshua Cooley Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were both slave owners. Add racist rapist to Jefferson.

[@alvinoflys7504]

I thought it would be interesting to note that most if not all British Colonies were subject to taxation without representation. As they were subjects to the rule of the English Empire they were also subject to the laws that were laid down by it. It just so happens that the Americans didn't like the fact they weren't being represented (which is fair) and decided to fight back (by starting a revolution/fair?/not fair?). Taxation without representation was the way it was done back then. It's not like the Crown was being cruel or unfair to only the Americans; they were doing it to everyone. History is a bloody mess ain't it!

[@joshuacooley1417]

Dawn Creation V, the situation of the American Colonies (including Canada) was unique in that the population of the colonies were almost entirely born British subjects. As a result they expected to be given the rights and protections of English law. Most, if not all, of the other colonies were almost entirely native populations that were governed by British colonial governments. History is indeed a bloody mess and there are lots of complexities involved. For example, one of the most commonly over-looked aspects of the taxation discussion is that the British government was essentially already taxing the American colonies because they required the American colonies to purchase all their imported goods from England and to ship all of their exported goods through England. As a result basically all American trade was already taxed.

[@joshuacooley1417]

Baba Da Shoemakuh, George Washington freed all of his slaves precisely because he believed that slavery was incongruous with ideals of Liberty upon which the US was founded. He lived up to his own beliefs, as much as a man can it seems. Jefferson did not. Jefferson is a good example of human weakness and hypocrisy. He condemned slavery in his writings and he was ideologically opposed to it, yet he kept slaves and he did exploit his power over them.

[@INSEIKYU01]

I'm a freedom loving American and what I appreciate about your channel is all the facts you present. It's important to know your past to avoid repeating the same mistakes that will set us back to darker times.

[@Jarod-te2bi]

Exactly.

[@preyingtig3r493]

Very insightful indeed.

[@reed510]

Lmao!!! Riiiiight

[@albertbresca8904]

yep.. don't trust the english!!!!

[@bradley8575]

I am one of those people that really like this film yeah it’s it’s historically inaccurate but it’s a movie meant for entertainment films aren’t meant to be taken seriously there just there for people to watch and enjoy But if there is one thing that is historically accurate about this film are the battle scenes those were extremely well done

[@DocChills]

This is still the best intro on youtube. Not only do I not skip over this intro, but many times I re-watch it.

[@AFMountaineer2000]

I like how you refered to the French and Indian War by its British name the Seven Years War. The Patriot also severely downplayed how much the French helped. The French pretty much used The American Revolution as a proxy war to fight the British. They sent 25,000 uniforms and pairs of boots, hundreds of cannons, and thousands of muskets not to mention 90% of the gunpowder used by American soldiers came from France.

[@seang3019]

The French and Indian War was a theatre of the Seven Years War, a global conflict. While it was significant in its outcome (territory gained), it wasn't the most significant or bloodiest. Agree with you about the portrayal of the French. Their contribution was crucial and subsequently acknowledged by the United States' founders.

[@carlosdanger4648]

Oh they sent 25000 uniforms man they really saved the day

[@brucenadeau1280]

The french did not help till after the Americans victory at Saratoga

[@brucenadeau1280]

@G they wanted the rights of an Englishman The legislations that rule colony to be respected by parliament

[@brucenadeau1280]

@@seang3019 the seven year war was start in America the French tried to build a fort in western Virginia the English governor order Washington to remove them

[@nothet]

Tavington believes in total war? boy do I have the game series for you.

[@jamesashcroft8170]

yeah but if he'd played total war he would've been able to exploit the revolutionary AI to ensure he defeated them ;)

[@Fenris77]

Like Grant and Sherman they also believed in total warfare...

[@eriklindergren8755]

Tavington would’ve had at least 3000 hours in Empire: Total War.

[@promnightdumpsterbaby9553]

When ever i play Empire: total war as the British,i have one regiment of dragoons named "Tavilton's Bastards" 😁

[@hectorsanchez1377]

Our redcoats are running from the field of battle, a shameful display.

[@claymccoy]

It's no coincidence that a lot of villains in American films have British accents.

[@jamaphy8621]

Yeah, just look at Star Wars.

[@franmadaraki616]

@@connorbranscombe6819 to be fair it's iconic line from Tarkin

[@westbygod_304]

Not really it’s usually Russian

[@rawdawg15]

@@jamaphy8621 that's because it is the Rebels vs Empire. Look at Enemy at the Gates on how they use English accents

[@aydenhernandez2572]

@@westbygod_304 such as?

[@jklappenbach]

Mel Gibson's involvement is the first and only red flag you need to know whether a movie is faithful to actual history.

[@mikegillettify]

Are you suggesting that Aliens did not come to Earth and makes crop circles?

[@saadkhan1128]

Well Gibsons film we were soldiers is surprisingly accurate

[@MyHeartsBeat]

12:47 Oh my word, is that Lucius Malfoy shooting Odo in front of the Joker?

[@markscouler2534]

Thought that was Odo from deep space 9

[@crustybagelll8022]

About 95% of the reason I decided to rewatch this movie a couple months ago was because I realized Odo was in it, and the French guy who’s name I don’t remember was kinda funny sometimes.

[@kim-jong-poon]

That's captain Lorca shooting odo... Gotta keep it in the trek fam.

[@asagoldsmith3328]

@@crustybagelll8022 René Aberjonois I believe

[@yodizzll]

THATS who the fuck that guy was! i kept trying to place him!

[@mkdc8624]

It's funny how he says "Probably making it the most unmassacree massacre, in the history of massacres" 😃

[@tommunism8778]

True though

[@jjduncan4285]

It's a line from the crash course american history series.

[@martinrjugah1911]

Why are the British portrayed to be as cruel as the Nazis? In the Patriot.

[@wyattshelley5483]

Martin Marksman I mean y’all did kill like a few million Irish in the potato’s famine which was primarily your fault. I’m not saying all brits are bad but your empire was pretty cruel.

[@MrYouarethecancer]

A tyrannical empire who terrorized a populace portrayed badly? I'm shocked!

[@jamesblueberry8581]

Wyatt Shelley our british empire was a proud place, we should still be the rulers of nearly the whole of the world!

[@reddeimon475]

Mass killing and starvation are two different thing. People died but still they are different.

[@snatchadams69]

I'm glad we got that clear willfully letting people die is different than actively killing people I guess if it clears your conscience...

[@ownstyle5878]

Mel Gibson is the Steven Seagal of historical movies

[@halcyo]

One of the best objectively “bad” movies ever. Of course it’s ridiculous- it’s a Roland Emmerich movie. But it’s also bloody entertaining and emotionally satisfying.

[@NeverSaySandwich1]

It has really good acting in it as well

[@delta2372]

@@NeverSaySandwich1 it's just a shame that there aren't really any good revolutionary war era movies. We have some civil war stuff like gettysburg and TONS of WW2 but barely anything on the war that founded our nation.

[@chimkinstrip4164]

The soundtrack tho.... Its so good

[@nathantalks9299]

@@delta2372 It’s because it’s all considered propaganda by people no matter how historically accurate it is lol

[@Dr.MantisTobogganMD]

Yes it’s propaganda, yes it’s historically inaccurate, yes it’s well acted, yes the battle scenes and special effects were awesome. Yes this is a great movie. If you don’t like The Patriot, you hate America. *You hate America, you like the terrorists!* -Sean Hannity

[@fin4204]

I actually got the chance to visit Oradour-sur-Glane a couple of years back, it is still Frozen in 1944, nothing about the village has been changed and it is absolutely terrifying.

[@invisibleman4827]

I heard that the SS Major responsible was ordered to go to another town to the south and ask for hostages in exchange for an SS officer captured by the French resistance - who'd admittedly been killed already. The real kicker is that the missing officer was the SS Major's friend, even high command decided he'd exceeded his orders, which says a lot about him.

[@TheAfroCorporation]

If you want an accurate portrayal of the American Revolution and Early American life, Watch HBO's John Adams.

[@taylorwatson7932]

TheAfroCorporation It’s not bad. HBO took some serious historical liberties for the sake of plot, but the setting and aesthetics were fairly spot on.

[@samuelbarber4154]

Taylor Watson what about Hamilton

[@jordanlancer1065]

@@samuelbarber4154 hamilton is accurate, especially when they start signing. everyone knows people just randomly burst out in song

[@VersusARCH]

Except they failed to mention the jury was rigged to free the British soldiers accused of Boston Massacre...

[@3katfox]

Love that series

[@theplinko9840]

My dad was an American revolution reenactor and an extra in this movie, he was a drummer in one of the battle scenes, and despite how much he loved to show me war movies I never did see this one and as such I can’t even remember where exactly he is. I wonder why?

[@snowhare1]

Honestly I never really considered this to be a history movie, just entertaining

[@saml6223]

Exactly. Imo, it's completely asinine to try and break down a movie like this for inaccuracies. You might as well do a historical breakdown on Captain America: The First Avenger. If the movie was called "Washington" like the 1970 movie "Napoleon", then fine. Skewer it all you want for its inaccuracies and what not. But it never touted itself to be a historical movie. It's just a story set during that era. Sure, it's some kind of American chest-thumping movie, but I don't see how that's any worse than a sappy love story or adrenaline-pumping action movie.

[@DagnirRen]

@@balabanasiretibecause it’s “historical fiction”, and it’s fun to watch. Btw, America won, just like in the movie so it’s not completely inaccurate 😂

[@feudinggreeks3316]

@@balabanasireti No number of historical accuracies would please individuals like you that would complain about historical fiction being "too fiction". Admit it, you like to complain and feel special, thinking you're smart. But in reality, movie sets like Braveheart and Apocalypto did have historical advisors, on set with educational degrees that would warrant such a title, but the aim isn't to make a documentary, it's to make a movie, fantasizing a time period in history. Want entertainment? Watch a movie. Want to know about history? Watch documentaries and read history books. I think you undermine how important movies like The Patriot are, and so does History Buffs. Historically inaccurate movies are what provides meaning in your life, and a paycheck on History Buffs table. So, rejoice that they exist.

[@SeanDahle]

Pretty much

[@St.Allen22]

@@saml6223 He's an angry brit with a major ego, does this with all movies where British are portrayed in a way he doesn't like

[@richardgadberry8398]

In less than 20 years Jason Isaacs went from an expy of Banastre Tarleton to Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov via a stint as a Sith Inquisitor and a Mirror Universe terrorist.

[@BENCMEN]

Dear Mr. Hodges, History Buffs is the intellectual equivalent of "Honest Trailers". History Buffs is not only entertaining, it is actually making the world a better place by helping people understanding history and society in a proper context. History Buffs, I will donate via Patreon. And when I'll be making more money, I will donate even more! Rest assured. Keep up the great work. Kind regards from Belgium.

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

Fact.

[@sizel7658]

Eyyy, glad I'm not the ony belgian watching :D

[@davidallenmandal2439]

Wtf man. Just send him an email bro. Please?

[@inotaishu1]

Come on, don't insult him like that. He has much more of an independent mind and spends more effort on his projects than Honest Trailers do.

[@1532JJ]

A quick breakdown of the Patriot: The main character, played by Mel Gibson, is in the middle of a brewing fight for independence, but initially doesn't join the cause. But then he loses a family member in a fight with British soldiers and initially takes revenge on a small group of them with some help. He then gathers his forces and realises that engaging the English army in a fair fight isn't going to work, so starts a guerilla campaign to harass and disrupt the British. This leads to him gaining a legendary reputation and culminates in a big final battle to decide once and for all if independence will be gained or lost. Along the way, people from other countries come to assist alongside his freedom fighters. He often finds alliances with them uneasy and it leads to conflicts on occasions. Against them is a ruthlessly evil villain with no redeeming features, assisted by his not-so-able deputies. These villains commit unspeakable acts of violence and cruelty, which far exceeded the actual violence of the time. Oh wait, that's the plot for Braveheart. Sorry, so easy to get that movie and this one mixed up.

[@tweeze123]

This is actually one of my favorite movies, a guilty pleasure. One of those movies where u accept its ridiculous plot and inaccuracies and just enjoy the ride. Its a fun movie, never gets old.

[@ammagnolia]

You like crappy movies

[@H2dahizzl]

@@ammagnoliaregardless of its many historical inaccuracies it is a very good film with brilliant acting and if you can get past the inaccuracies it’s is very enjoyable

[@huguesdepayens807]

How is the plot ridiculous? This is actually a pretty good movie.

[@invisibleman4827]

​@@huguesdepayens807Not really. The main character never grows or goes through a character arc because he's a complete Mary Sue.

[@huguesdepayens807]

@@invisibleman4827 That's not true at all.

[@annoyedwalrus7803]

I would love to see a movie about the American Revolution from the British perspective.

[@williamkeene7277]

I’d rather see a mini series

[@annoyedwalrus7803]

@@williamkeene7277 Yeah, that would be even better! It would be pretty interesting to follow loyalists fighting for their king and being thrown out of their country.

[@GazzerYid09]

You call it the American revolution, we in Britain call it tax evasion

[@TheJim9191]

The problem is it wouldn't sell. Americans wouldn't buy into it because it would be too hard to try and relate to "the bad guys" as they see it, for such a fundamental moment in their country's history. We (the British) wouldn't buy into it because, frankly, the American War of Independence simply isn't really an important part of our history or identity. We just don't care about it. It's sort of a footnote. We'd be much more receptive to watching a period piece of this era if it was about our wars with France, which are a much more important part of our history that took place concurrently with both the American War of Independence and the War of 1812.

[@annoyedwalrus7803]

@@TheJim9191 Yeah, you're probably right but still... oh well, one can dream.

[@WiraStudio]

Jokes aside, the battle scenes were pretty well done though

[@dieseIboy]

I’m Canadian and was shown this in my high school social studies class. Before the movie started, my teacher explained that it was pure fiction and not to take it seriously.

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

As an American, can you hug us?

[@dieseIboy]

@@MegaToonzNetwork *hugs*

[@cambs0181]

What class was this?

[@dieseIboy]

@@cambs0181 We call it “social studies”

[@yousaphanna3034]

I am surprised he didn't address how good the aim of those flintlock rifles. Everytime Benjamin Martin shoots he finds his mark instead of missing g half the time. Also the reload time is super fast

[@andrewfrost3027]

Flintlock muskets (generally speaking, muskets did not have rifled barrels during the Revolutionary War) are less accurate than guns with rifled barrels, but muskets are more accurate than you're giving them credit for. The movie doesn't show him shooting Redcoats at 1000 meters. It shows guerrilla warfare tactics at ranges most likely inside 50 meters. Smooth bore firearms can be accurate enough with practice. Also, there WERE rifles, such as the Kentucky Long Rifle, that were more accurate due to a rifled barrel during that time. The Long Rifle was flintlock action, as well, but was not a musket.

[@BigWillyG1000]

@@andrewfrost3027 Add in widespread Patriot use and later US national use of buck and ball. 1 musket ball + 3-4 buckshot all fired in one load to aid hit probability. Even in the US Civil War it was devastating at close range. The Irish Brigade suffered heavy casualties getting to the Sunken Road in the face of rifles at Antietam but once in range those muskets and buck and ball gave that place the name Bloody Lane for good reason. The Brady photos show literal piles of Confederate dead in that road. The movie still has classic cases of Hollywood ballistics but you can find worse. At least the single shots don't have bottomless magazines. We get shown one volley and either a reload as in the Camden and Cowpens battle scenes, cut to another scene as in the various abuses montage or an immediate switch to pistols, swords and tomahawks.

[@DennisFromRLM]

His pistol at the end battle is rifled, probably adds it's own inaccuracy. But it take away from another.

[@Closurenomore]

Yeah there was a reason they were getting up close along with musket balls not being as aero dynamic

[@ntfoperative9432]

Aim small, miss small

[@woodleywilliams689]

You can't hate the Patriot and Braveheart. What are you, British? JK, love the channel and the addendum to dances with wolves was amazing

[@adrianziecik6280]

He is Blue Ranger

[@dean529]

English*

[@nicholas2827]

As an American who appreciates truth However offensive, I often butt heads with people on this subject. Well said man!

[@Deece5]

We got shown this in middle school in a country school and we weren’t told it was fictional, we were even led to believe it was based on true events

[@charlestdennis2797]

It is a fictional representation of actual people and events with certain details either changed or embellished for the sake of the movie.

[@cambs0181]

Well it was based on true events to be fair. I mean there was a war and it was in North America. I suppose it would be like watching Blazing Saddles as an educational film to teach about American pioneers of the West in the 1800s.

[@greatlyreducedgameplay9939]

My rage is immeasurable and my day is ruined just from seeing these words

[@okagron]

I think this is the biggest reason why Nick gets pissed at this movie: it basically spreads misinformation.

[@MashaRistova]

It is based on true events. The American revolution is an event that definitely happened.

[@samuelbarber4154]

A good way to show the Royalists beliefs would be to say: Royalist: General Howe, we've come to help save our country, America. Howe: Come with me. Patriot: General Washington, we've come to help save our country, American. Washington: Come with me.

[@vladimiradidas1945]

GIVE THIS MAN AN OSCAR. This is brilliant. Absolute brilliance. You sir, would make a fine ass writer.

[@Derzull2468]

@@vladimiradidas1945 The sarcasm is off the charts xD. At least Samuel Barber makes good music.

[@vladimiradidas1945]

@@Derzull2468 that wasn't sarcasm. I was serious. This is actual brilliance

[@samuelbarber4154]

Vladimir Adidas hey, thanks man.

[@amandabeaty1492]

Lots of loyalists went to Canada.

[@jimjambananaslam3596]

I believe it was called British North America at the time.

[@OliverFlinn]

@@jimjambananaslam3596 does it matter what it was called at the time?

[@trainknut]

I really wish we could get a movie about the American Revolution that doesn't distort history to almost hilarious levels... is it too much to ask for a movie to just show us what really happened, without putting an anti-Britain or pro-American spin on everything? I mean, think about it, a tiny little colony in the middle of a new world, rising up and defeating the greatest empire in history, creating the foundation for the next great world superpower. By painting the British as brutal evil oppressors, and the Americans as blessed saints, it not only unfairly portrays the British, but also cheapens the actual accomplishments of the founding fathers, genius strategies and brilliant use of technology, loss after loss, each time learning new things about the enemy.. and you want to simplify that into, "Britain sucks - the movie."

[@Brandon210-q4n]

The most nuanced portrayal of the Revolution I've seen was from Assassin's Creed 3, ironically.

[@trainknut]

@@Brandon210-q4n You know, now that I think about it, for such an iconic and important time in American history... there doesn't seem to be really ANY media depicting the American Revolution, AC3 and The Patriot are the only ones I can really think about that had any sort of attention... and those both kinda sucked, one because, well, Ubisoft, and the other because of all the reasons in this videos. It's almost like the Founding Fathers have become somewhat of, mythological creatures in American history... names like George Washington have evolved beyond simple historical figures into the likes of pseudo-gods, untouchable saints in the eyes of American lore. It's like any depiction of them, positive or negative, would tarnish their reputation and challenge American history in a way their people aren't prepared to handle yet. But that would be ridiculous... it's not like they've named countless locations including entire states and the capital city after him or anything... that would be almost as silly as, turning a mountain into a giant statue of his face or something. Sarcasm aside, I find the 17th century and the birth of America to be extremely interesting. And I'm frankly disappointed that despite their clear fascination, nay, obsession with the founding fathers and the revolution, they seem to almost be afraid of actually taking an extended objective look into that part of their history.

[@Brandon210-q4n]

@@trainknut I never said AC3 was perfect . . . Its portrayal of George Washington for example was particularly awful . . . But it is a lot more nuanced on the Revolution than a lot of people were expecting.

[@trainknut]

@@Brandon210-q4n I agree with you... I'm just saying it's a little bit disappointing that Ubisoft of all companies gets the honour of making the only good game set during the American Revolution, and let's be real, being the most nuance portrayal of that particular conflict isn't exactly difficult... all you have to do is show one of the founding fathers acting like anything other than a direct descendant of Jesus himself, and you've already beat out most of the competition. It's not exactly like they showed the Loyalist perspective, or, even really acknowledged the presence of loyalist Americans at all.

[@Brandon210-q4n]

@@trainknut I actually toyed with the idea of writing a book about a year ago set during the Revolution with a main character taken from both sides of the War. Go all the way from Lexington to Yorktown.

[@gentlemanviking9389]

The moment you see Mel Gibson in the credits you know that it's going to be about as historically accurate as star trek.

[@j.vinton4039]

I always loved that the “traitor” was the dude who played Animal Mother in Full Metal Jacketz

[@scottfisher7478]

Adam Baldwin is badass. Liked him in Next of Kin as Joey Rosselini with Patrick Swayze.

[@Terminator484]

Don't forget one of his greatest roles, Jayne Cobb.

[@nikkolodian9517]

That's why dude is familiar

[@razzledazzle8593]

"You can talketh the talk, but can you walketh the walk?"

[@walterkimbrough5428]

He was also a "patriotic" Colonel John Casey in the series "Chuck". Kind of against type casting being that he's would play someone betraying the American colonies.

[@lestat1591]

“Tavington” or Tarleton actually survived the war and went back to Liverpool, England and became a politician.

[@horatiohuskisson5471]

connor watson and fought against William Wilberforce who wanted to end slavery

[@carlmarston1687]

Of course he’s a Scouser

[@johnmcmanus2447]

"I am William Wallace, a Scotsman that went back in time to free England from the English."

[@jameseverett4976]

"Back "in time?

[@ChrisPBacon1434]

the most unrealistic scene in my opinion is hitting a cavalry soldier with a smoothbore pistol at like 50 yards plus

[@dphillips95c]

"Taxation without representation" a commonly misunderstood quote. The "representation" is the key part. Britain was never going to allow colonialist true representation in the house of parliament.

[@colinmarsh5808]

Each colony had their own Parliament represented to the Crown by the governor, so they needed representation( in the HoP for what and by whom), they already had it???? Or did you mean the American colonies had to be treated differently than any other colony? Why, they were British with their own representatives and if what history has told us is true, the American colonies had " the best" of all the British colonies around the world for life expectancy, standard of living, best education (that went belly up--) all the best standards of living that people could want. Even better than Britain itself!!

[@ljwells6445]

Colin Marsh Actually they literally had as much representation as citizens in Britain. Which was none. No citizen had any play in the parliament, which was GB argument against Taxation without Representation, which the Colonists still resented, as they were being taxed much heavier than the citizens of GB. They were told that the Colonists were equals but were getting taxed far heavier with the Stamp tax.

[@markbrown8757]

@@ljwells6445 but the colonists were taxed less than the people in great Britain.

[@tonyduncan9852]

@@ljwells6445 _"they literally had as much representation as citizens in Britain. Which was none."_ - and still is none. Monarchy sees to that even now. Republicanism has given the American people Donald Trump. That's a better deal than Lizzie and Boris, believe me.

[@lordfedjuvekinval252]

Tony Duncan ...you do know the monarchs of Britain have not held any real power for at least the last 150 years right? Britain is as democratic as the US, all power resides within the governement and the House of Commons. Monarchy and House of Lords are entirely ceremonial.

[@timdewit6088]

As a side note, it isn't completely accurate that breaking away from a king to form a new nation was a revolutionary idea. For example, it happened in the Netherlands in the later 1500s, and the document in which the Dutch forswore allegiance to King Philip II of Spain - the 'Plakkaat van Verlatinghe' of 1581 - was a direct inspiration for the Declaration of Independence of the United States. Like the Declaration of Independence, the Plakkaat of Verlatinghe was a list of things the King had done wrong, providing reasons for the Dutch to break away from the Habsburg Empire. I suppose there is a difference in that the majority of the Dutch spoke a different language and had a different religion than the King of Spain, but restrictions of privilege and representation (especially for the Dutch nobility) were also issues back then.

[@davehoward22]

+The Iron Historian Its not accurate they were breaking from a king at all...the beef was with lord north( the prime minister),and the british parliment....

[@timdewit6088]

dave h Well, they did address the King in the Declaration of Independence, and George III definitely had his hand in rejecting the Olive Branch Petition.

[@DankaertLexicon]

+The Iron Historian +dave h Originally the Dutch only rejected Filips II as a tirant, without the intention to become a republic. They approached Queen Elisabeth to become their new monarch, but she didn't want a war with Spain at the time. Instead she send two representatives, one at the time. But she chose both her favorites, instead of the competent men at her court who understood the Dutch. Both screwed up. The Dutch got fed up, chose the existing Estate General to become their new goverment... So, thanks Elisabeth for being incompetent I suppose.

[@timdewit6088]

***** Well yeah, I don't deny that. The Dutch Republic in the end became more of a Monarchy, with the Stadtholder functioning pretty much as a King. Even during the Stadtholderless periods, power was mostly organized plutocratic. So yeah, there were revolutionary aspects to the American Revolution, but not the Independence-bit, which was stated in the video.

[@Quinntus79]

+The Iron Historian Didn't the English rebel against there own King the middle of the 17th century and then decide like six years later that a king is better than the Republic ran by a bunch of guys who banned theater and Christmas?

[@lukum55]

Yes, you are absolutely right about judging history by todays morals, I've thought of the exact same thing. History should not be judged by todays standards, things happened in history that are viewed with disgust today but we should not censor history because of how we see things today. In order to learn from past mistakes and to grow as humanity we must learn from history and in order to learn from it we need to see it as it really was and not a whitewashed version meant to not be offensive to todays audience.

[@evoluxman9935]

Except we aren't criticizing history by today's morals. We are criticizing a movie by today's morals. A movie made long after the abolition of slavery and the Civil rights era. So why is this movie whitewashing American slavery? What is the message here? My bet is simply yet another lost cause apologia garbage. It's not openly defending slavery (post civil rights it's just impossible, but pre civil rights... Jesus I hate gone with the wind), more so minimizing how bad it was, saying how the US was better for the slaves than the British, etc....

[@95DarkFire]

It is really funny that the Americans complained about representation. At the time, many English commoners were not represented in the House of Commons, while empty hills like Old Sarum had two seats in Parliarment. In short, the Colonists were barely less represented than many Englishmen.

[@florinivan6907]

There's still a difference between living close to the seat of power and being far away. Commoners may not have been represented but they could still petition. It was still easier to make yourself heard if you were an average londoner as opposed to a colonist.