Elizabeth Bowes Lyon: A Queen Mum of Bad Blood

[@HistoryRoadshow]

I GOT THESE WRONG! George VI died on 6 February 1952, not as I stated in the video; conscription should have been used rather than subscription for the late Elizabeth II. The stock footage clip towards the end shows Cape Town in South Africa. There was no footage available of Rhodesia. The title and thumbnail have also caused controversy, but both are from quotes attributed to the late Elizabeth, so they are not clickbait on the surface; it may seem like that, although the majority of my videos have quotes in the titles, albeit just not quite as revealing as the ones used on this video. I appreciate you all watching and keeping me on my toes! History is a fascinating topic and I make mistakes and am happy to hold my hands up. Apologies for these, but if you spot anything else, don't hesitate to comment. This was a big story to cover, given what I think is a fair commentary in which I have tried to balance the highlights and lowlights. Thanks, Jon

[@jonny7491]

I thought India gained independence in 1947.

[@terryhoath1983]

Jon, Nice that a presenter is prepared to eat humble pie as you have here. There aren't many that have done this. Unfortunately, your presentation is so typical of so many videos which like those who control the British press, love to put someone on a pedestal and then like a pack of dogs, drag them down and rip them apart. There isn't much by way of smut around this victim so we use the occasional "off-the-cuff" comment to engage in character assassination. I have no time for the royal family, an institution that since the time of the arrival of William Le Bâtard in October 1066 have persecuted and trodden on the native people of this country. I wish people who are of an egalitarian persuasion would nail their colours to the mast instead of picking and sniggering. Although attempts were made to remove the offending verse (the rich man in his castle etc) from common usage from 1906 onwards, we certainly sang that verse in my primary school in the 1950s and saw it as the way of things. Most of us at my primary school lived on council estates and we were taught to know our place by female teachers. (Women are far more likely to vote Conservative than men. Allowing ALL adult women to vote from 1928 condemned the Country to Tory government throughout the 1930s and the War Years.) At school and in "Ladybird" books, we were regaled with fairy tales of princes and princesses. I remember the one about testing the would-be princess with a pea in her bed. When she hadn't slept well because of the pea, everyone agreed that she must be a princess; common oiks, of course, used to sleeping on less comfortable beds, would have slept well despite the pea. Our female teacher showed delight at the end of that one. The wronged princess gained her birthright after all (And the moral of the story is ...... ?) There is, of course, Good King Wensaslaus, actually Václav I Duke of Bohemia (about 907 - 28th Sept 935) made a saint after he was murdered on behalf of his vicious and evil brother, seeing the poor man gathering winter fuel. You see, it is how it should be. Wasn't our good king wonderful because of his condescension ? Many of the English aristocracy would have had the poor man hung for theft. It is hardly surprising that the old girl (Elizabeth) held those same prejudices, especially coming from the Scottish aristocracy and her privileged position. She undoubtedly believed the words put into the mouth of Jesus, "The poor are always with us". Snuggling up to Hitler was not unique to her, in her case more the fear of war than the overt Nazism of that appalling Simpson tart. Far from condemning her, we should applaud the old girl's steadfast attitude to the Simpson woman. It would have been better if David's body had been quietly disposed of in France rather than the silly piece of nonsense and trouble-makers in the BBC and Sky trying to stir the pot. In any event, I don't believe that she had any influence at all on the government policy of appeasement. As for the two relatives who were a few pence short of a shilling, you say that the old girl almost certainly didn't know so there is no hypocrisy .... a non-story. It is more a lesson for us all to help us understand the squalor of the British press (Milly Dowler etc. A 13 year old girl was murdered .... so let us illegally raid her mobile phone to see if she gave away any confidences to her friends that Milly played with herself. .... then we could gain illegal access to her friend's phones and expose them for playing with themselves. We would all be so much richer for knowledge of such smut, wouldn't we ? .... such is the British press.) As for the old girl's view on Africans, bearing in mind the history of Africa over the last 65 years, she was spot on. African politics is about who is going to occupy the dining table and rape their countries for personal gain and fight off anyone sat on the floor who wants their turn at occupying the table. Julius Nyerere, dictator of Tanzania excused his one-party state to an American journalist. "The United States is a one-party state ! .... except that, with your usual profligacy, you have two of them". Following the genocide in Rwanda, we have strong man, Paul Kagame, (Vlad Putin) dictator of Rwanda, the darling of the Tory Party, a man guilty of genocide in Congo and so on; the first president of Nigeria found half-naked and mutilated, stabbed to death in a gutter less than a year after independence ..... then the Biafran War and so on and so on ...... the chopping off of arms and legs of children and adults alike in Liberia and Sierra Leone ..... the Angolan War ....... the Katanga Rebellion ...... mass murder in Sudan .... and ..... and ..... Without doubt, our ordinary African children in the old British Empire in Africa would have been far better off if British colonial rule had continued. Mozambique and Angola have both joined the British Commonwealth of Nations. Obviously, the governments of those territories have some admiration for the British way of doing things.

[@imonlyndon]

@@jonny7491it became “independent” in 1947, like how canada is independent. it became a republic in 1948

[@louiseharper7850]

@@terryhoath1983 I bet you had to lie down in a darkened room with a cold wet flannel on your forehead after getting that off your chest 😂😂😂

[@sgilbert5753]

It is not the accidental error, but the ignoring of them that is a shame of contemporary times.

[@real-eyes-realise-real-lie8888]

I met her in Westminster Abbey when I was an 18 years old Airwoman. She was opening the Royal Air Force Chapel within. I was so excited and bursting with pride at the prosoect of meeting her, the nation's grandmother. She looked at me with what can only be described as an evil withering stare. I crumpled inside. I could not believe how different she was in real life to how she was portrayed through the media. Nasty, vile woman, in my humble opinion.

[@splinterbyrd]

Hitler is said to have called her "The most dangerous woman in Europe"

[@2004Yvonne]

She was shockingly cruel to her daughter's governess, Anne Crawford. Miss Crawford worked tirelessly with the two princesses for 16 years.

[@SC-sf8xt]

People like yourself who served your country should be given the highest respect and admiration. Thank you.

[@real-eyes-realise-real-lie8888]

@mediterraneanworld No. October 1988. It had been closed for some time, having had renovations to the RAF Chapel window. She had unveiled a statue of Dowding at the RAF Church and then reopened the Chapel at Westminster.

[@ingridhindell2436]

And nobody's allowed a bad day?

[@Tizzy-s9g]

My late friend worked in Holyrood House as a maid and she always said the Queen Mother was cold, rude and haughty to the servants, she was widely disliked intensely

[@carmenl163]

Can I ask you something completely unrelated? I've seen many user names like yours on KZbin lately, and I wonder how these names come about.

[@Tizzy-s9g]

@@carmenl163 No idea

[@StrawberryFields4ever65]

Now we understand where Princess Margaret got "it" from!

[@SuperStella1111]

@@carmenl163 it’s assigned. So many usernames are taken, people stop bothering to pick ones.

[@carmenl163]

@@SuperStella1111 Ah, thank you! That makes sense.

[@mchapman1928]

The Queen Mum came from an era of strict class distinction. Her spoiled, wealthy upbringing formed her personality. She wasn’t the warm, friendly granny many were led to believe.

[@mchapman1928]

@@mediterraneanworld - Apparently you do not fully understand the meaning of the word spoiled. Poor people can “spoil” their children too, making them believe they are very special and better than everyone else. Also, I read, I read a lot. Try it sometime.

[@DianeCagni-st5zc]

Too bad she was not still alive for MM. Perhaps then we would definitely have avoided all this Markle garbage we have been put through and/or Harry would definitely have been exiled to Africa.

[@mchapman1928]

@@DianeCagni-st5zc - If the Queen Mum was around when Harry brought MM around……….the marriage would NEVER have taken place. The Queen Mum would never have tolerated MM’s low class antics, it would have been nipped in the bud…………..and stealing stuff? She would have ended up in the Bloody Tower.

[@jazminelee5166]

@@DianeCagni-st5zc And what crime has Meghan Markle committed other than not being liked by Murdoch?

[@mchapman1928]

@@jazminelee5166 - Not assimilating into the RF, trying to assert herself and violate protocol, being outspoken on politics and matters on which the RF never give their opinion. Stealing valuable jewels from the RF. Fabricating stories to harm the RF. The RF gave her a wedding suitable for a Disney Princess, they welcomed her into their family, and she thanks them by disrespecting them and not adhering to the responsibilities and duties and behaviour that the titles require. All the wealth, fame and privilege wasn’t enough, she wanted to be the center of attention. MM thought she’d waltz in and change the line of succession in favour or her and Harry. She actually tried to enter a formal event BEFORE Her Majesty and deeply resented William and Catherine and their children for their place in the line of succession. She was out of her league. The Queen Mum would have shredded her.

[@blodwen6946]

A family member of mine was a Divisional Controller on the British railways and I can remember he once said that they always dreaded the Queen Mother travelling on the trains. She was a nightmare.

[@lacecocoa6272]

As a black woman I should be mad but I'm not. I just believe she was born in a certain time period to where she was taught those certain mindsets. A child is like a backpack you pack it with information and they carry it with them throughout their life. Has she been born in other circumstances she would have thought differently. I cannot judge a woman who if she was alive today she would be in her mid 100 Years of age. She lived 100 plus years ago so I can't judge her about today's standards. I think when people do that they make a great mistake. What I think today might not be popular 50 years from now. But I'm glad that you covered her whole life and said what you said. I think it's good when people are honest about who a person is

[@HistoryRoadshow]

Great comment! 😊

[@ruthanneseven]

Very wise perspective! 💖

[@kittye8340]

My Grandfather was racist. Grew up that way. My mom and Dad adopted a black child, my brother, and when he came up to my grandpa and gestured to be picked up, my mom was really worried that my Grandpa would get angry. In reality, he picked up the toddler and bounced him in his lap. My Grandfather was born in 1914 and I never met him. But he was a real racist. It stemmed less from hate and more from culture. Back then people didn't associate with people of different social classes or races. He didn't know anything about them except what he was told. Which was mostly fear-mongering. Fear of the unknown and tales of how black people thieve and kill. That stuff. I'm sure many people were like my Grandfather. I also know many people were hateful too and caused a lot of hurt. Both ways. But especially in America, against anyone who wasn't British, French, or otherwise wealthy European. Thank you 👍 Sending love and good vibes

[@AmandaWRU]

Well said, you are so right

[@lacecocoa6272]

@@kittye8340 💝🙏🏿

[@annaal7480]

Many people in comments excuse QM as being born in another area. I am 64 and knew many people of her era, my grandma and mom in law included. They were amazing, kind, beautiful people and I knew more humans like them. QM was a rude, unpleasant woman and I doubt that being born more recently would change her. We have people like her in our times too.

[@sundance9153]

My mother-in-law was born to Scots parents, passed away 12 years ago at the age of 96, so she was close in age with that witch, but so very different. I adored her, she was more of a mother to me than my own mother.

[@siriuslyconfused1]

Just had this chat with my 72 year old father the other day, I have to agree with him, it’s an insult to every older person who overcame their upbringing to give an excuse to the ones who did not. My dad may not be perfect, but he recognizes that a lot of the ideas he grew up with were cruel and terrible and that being a good person means continuing to learn as society changes. Sending you a salute for doing the hard work!

[@elizagrogan9454]

@@siriuslyconfused1 I agree with you. My paternal grandmother was the same. She grew up in a totally white community. She was 21 when she first saw a black person in the flesh. She didn't like what some others said about him, being racist when that word was not in use. She had a love for all decent people, regardless of their colour or nationality. I adored her. She was a loving grandmother and teacher.

[@marishkaaaa-r0p]

racism was more common and taught back then even if ur family wasn’t raised with it many were my family is still racist to this day but QM even grewing up thru that time decide to educate herself on the world the least she did was acknowledge her mistakes and learn to change her mindset

[@marishkaaaa-r0p]

@@sundance9153 nah its the mordern age if u cant read typos then have grammarly by ur side or sum but anywho using diana as an excuse to say she learnt nothing is pretty pathetic tbh even if she was kind to charles but yall do know that he is her grandson right? how could a grandmother not love her grandson? her views on marriage was different from others she saw it as something permanent for life

[@sheilanixon913]

My aunt's neighbour was the nannie/governess to the Queen Mother's brother and his family , before marrying a manager of Menzies/ Wh Smiths. Nora said that she was very unkind to the Earl of Glamis' servants, who were normally treated with great courtesy. The staff were glad when she and the little princesses went back to London. Being born in an earlier generation is no excuse for rudeness.

[@misstuesday404]

I could never take a liking to the QM, I DONT KNOW WHAT IT WAS BUT I JUST COULDNT,

[@ruthanneseven]

Of course it was! These people did not gain wealth and power being nice to peasants.

[@valerieforbes8096]

@@misstuesday404 nor me. IMO she was a nasty woman. I read Lady Cs book about her. It confirmed my opinion of her.

[@RowanWarren78]

@@ruthanneseven 😆

[@cornishmaid9138]

@@ruthanneseven - Civility doesn’t cost a penny.

[@michaeltagg492]

My Grandmother used to tell a story. When she was a maid in a country house a little girl tripped and fell in front of her, she quickly picked her up and said 'are you alright dearie?' The little girl stopped crying and said 'I am not dearie, I am ma'am to you' and turned away without thanking my grandmother. That little girl was Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.

[@slaneyside]

not surprised they just lack common human decency your grandmother was worth ten of her sort.

[@renpixie]

Sounds like a right snotty brat. I wonder if she is the family narcissist that passed it on down.

[@patrickkelly6691]

@@slaneyside Little girl was right and had been taught her position relative to the maid. That was a very different world and that little girl was responsible for many changes in more modern direction. What a prat your are slaneyside.

[@catherinelw9365]

@@patrickkelly6691 No matter what one's position is, one should always show common human decency. That little girl was rude and undeserving of any assistance.

[@kwestwick6065]

@@patrickkelly6691 🥱

[@steffanhoffmann8937]

My late Great Aunt, worked for the Prince of Wales at Windsor, for a few years before he abdicated. After official lunches dinners etc. He would make sure there was no waste. Told the staff to take the food etc. When the Queen Mother took over, she called a meeting of the same staff. Told them things would change. Any waste was to be given to animals etc. Or thrown out. She was known as "The Smiling Serpent" amongst the staff.

[@eileenpritchard9154]

I DON'T like wasting any food ,give it to the staff if they want it END OF.😥😥😥😥

[@neytiriavatar140]

The fat short serpent was a witch

[@brianwhittington5086]

You have to think how more was being learnt about food hygiene, display and storage conditions in post war Britain. You wouldn't safely consume food, even with today's preservatives, that had been sat open in a warm room, exposed to all sorts of bacteria for hours, then return it to cold storage.

[@steffanhoffmann8937]

@@brianwhittington5086 Post war Britain? I'm not sure you understood this. He abdicated in 1936. So the story about him is about 1935. Ten years BEFORE Post War Britain....tsk! tsk! 👉🇺🇲👈 But somewhat typical of 👉🇺🇲 people. Ps Don't preach woke please, we're 🇬🇧 cheesed off with it!

[@brianwhittington5086]

@steffanhoffmann8937 I know exactly what I'm talking about. Post war Britain, and the improvements in the NHS and understanding of food hygiene, storage and display regulations. And as to your assumption of being American, well I'm sure you're aware what it means when you Assume ? I'm 100% British, going back as far as records exist. So much so that I'm actually related to EBL, the subject of the video. I'll expect your apology for your own ignorance ASAP !

[@whiteswan6867]

My mum's friend was a waitress in London who served the Royal Family a few times at different functions. She said the Queen Mother was snappy and extremely rude.

[@Crashed2023]

As was Margaret I learnt also!

[@hellooutthere8956]

My late husband was from England and I went over there once and went into this little restaurant and the waitress came up and I said "could we get an order of fries and a coupla of cokes please". She looked at me like I'd sprouted another head. My husband quickly translated " an order of chips and two cokes please" I realized wht had happened and kept my mouth shut from then on. I know tht has nothing to do with this it just reminded me of this. Thank you I had forgotten abt tht.

[@hellooutthere8956]

​@@Crashed2023I remember a carton once tht showed the queen mum and Margaret fighting over a bottle in Clarence house.

[@valerietorreggiani9973]

My deceased husband also served QM E and was astonished at the amount of spirits she could consume whilst surrounded by her ‘young’ men.

[@genxx2724]

@@hellooutthere8956 You remind me of the scene in the Sopranos where Christopher takes the Hollywood people to a pizzeria and brusquely orders “coconut slice”. The others quickly copy him. (Coke and a slice). Funny. Nobody orders the drink first.

[@ce9782]

Even by the standards of her day, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was considered by her servants and close associates as snobbish, hypocritical, cruel and ill-mannered Nothing to do with the "culture" or "attitude" of her time. It's really just her

[@vipertwenty249]

Now THAT - hits the nail squarely on the head. Public image as opposed to reality - same with Diana, same with Andrew until that debacle of an interview starkly exposed him to everybody. Take a look at the current generation - there is ONE person, who fortunately happens to be our next monarch, that fits the bill. William really does seem to be the real thing. Sad about his failure of a brother.

[@davidnewton2633]

Gin and tonic had its downside. Yet there was an air of magnificence about her.

[@vipertwenty249]

@@davidnewton2633 There was, but it was based on snobbery only. Respect should be earned by worthy behaviour, attitude and actions. Anyway - what's wrong with G&T? Nice in hot weather until you fall over from a few too many. I've noticed a distinct localised increase in gravity on such occasions.

[@RubyRuby878]

What do you expect from a reptile?

[@kitfrew9983]

​@@RubyRuby878😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ianstrange5674]

I was never taken in by the Queen Mum's saintly image. It sounds like she was a right old bastard.

[@JimMac23]

I've heard a lot of bad things about her.

[@VKing-di9lo]

I have no idea where she got her information, but as a child in the 50’s, my mother always said she was not the person she is being portrayed. She said she was cruel and rude to anyone who she considered beneath her. She resented her daughter taking over her ‘job’. As she got old, she was undeservedly put on a pedestal.

[@jgreen7070]

I disliked Q Mother through and through. Why? Because I could see her coldness through her fake smile or the media propaganda.

[@savinaking8637]

That's why they gave her the name Queen Mother, so she wouldn't complain about being side lined. No wonder the Queen adored he father, it's obvious that she inherited her beautiful persona from him!.

[@erzsebethyoung]

@@savinaking8637 ... Her Majesty to her Father and to God ... . I count this, the Glory of my Crown, that I Reigned with your Love. And Her Majesty referred to Balmoral, as her Father also loved Balmoral as her dear Paradise in the Highlands.

[@robertpodbery242]

One of the documentaries about the Elizabeth 11 said, she had said that her mother was going to be a problem as she became Queen. She had to be given a title that would be acceptable

[@kevinmorgan8534]

@@robertpodbery242 Elizabeth II, not the eleventh. And it's Charles III not Charles the one hundred and eleventh.

[@anniefranklin9853]

A close friend of mine worked as an under under housemaid for her. She said the QM came downstairs every morning with white gloves on and ran her fingers along all surfaces. If there was even one speck of dirt they had to clean the entire room again. They were terrified of her

[@gaiaiulia]

​@@mediterraneanworld a friend of my mother worked in service and the woman of the house always checked for dust and would be critical of the smallest mistakes. She was extremely strict with my mother's friend, so I can well believe that story.

[@kidkanoo]

QM sounds cruel and entitled

[@adairadair9490]

Yes I believe that would be true

[@herzkine]

So what, even if true, it is their job and tbh that was the every day routine we had to go through in military too. Maybe a bit spoilt yourself...

[@SMartypAntsPants]

@@mediterraneanworld I was Head Piss Sniffer at the Palace throughout most of the 20th Century. I was employed to hunt out rogue undies for the Royal Family. If the QM discovered the stained cloth before I did, she would piss on them again and slap them in my face. Then she would proceed downstairs, to check for specks of dust, whilst sporting a pair of white gloves. One of my colleagues commented at the time, that she was going to tell her close friend what had happened, one day in the future. Apparently they were all terrified of her.

[@parkemessier6128]

I have never understood why she was considered a beauty. Very puzzling to me. Bertie, on the other hand, was quite handsome.

[@mjef3695]

She wasn’t pretty.

[@parkemessier6128]

@@mjef3695 I agree with you. And I'm not trying to be mean about it. I have just always found it so strange that she was called a beauty. Honestly, I found her to be quite homely (not her fault). But then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[@moragmochrie9316]

She was a beautiful young woman.

[@katpeterson7895]

Lmao 😂

[@parkemessier6128]

@@moragmochrie9316 No, she really wasn't.

[@Witchy1976]

The King was gorgeous. I'll never understand for the life of me why he wanted Elizabeth Bowes Lyon.

[@nancymanuel8536]

Witchy, I thought the same thing she was miserable and not much to look at if I may say, King on the other hand 😜

[@heidijames8825]

I thought George V handsome too. I believe he loved actress Evelyn "Boo" Laye.

[@heathers.2754]

She was beautiful when she was young. The Royals love beautiful women!

[@melianna999]

@@heathers.2754 Royal needed urgently some beauty. Luckily Diana helped.

[@celissewillis9399]

@@theon9575 EXACTLY what I've said! Both men went for women who basically screwed with their heads in one way or another & pined over them, desperate for their affections. They went for the women who pushed them away, or were cold or distant with them. Wallis never really loved Edward the way he was in love with her. There are even letters of hers still around to her ex husband, expressing regret to him for having left him, or ruined their marriage. Even Edward was known in the closer circles as "Peter Pan", or the boy that never grows up. It was a joke between her & her ex husband, even for awhile after they divorced & continued contact on & off over several years. So the fact that Elizabeth played with Bertie's head for almost 2 years, before accepting his proposal of marriage? She too knew how to get a man by the balls that she didn't really "love".

[@PeterWoodstorrechianca]

A man I knew told me he was In the Royal Navy, I think this was in the second world war, he was assigned to the Royal Yacht Britannia, he said the Queen Mother was a horrible woman and treated people like dirt, the Queen mother was with Elizabeth and Margaret who were children I suppose , one of the crew worked the projector when they watched films , it was a part time job and was normally a sailor , the Queen Mother fancied a movie at 2 in the morning and sent for the sailor, he refused to get out of bed as he had worked all day and was exhausted , she had him charged with insubordination and he was thrown in a cell , the man who told this was no liar and I believe him

[@susanmccormick6022]

I believe Margaret was a bit of a madam too.

[@janeholmes9374]

EVIL, EVIL, EVIL

[@johnlawes5794]

And which Royal Yacht would that have been if Elizabeth and Margaret were children.

[@johnlawes5794]

Not HMY Britannia which was built by John Brown and Co Ltd on Clydebank, and launched by HM The Queen on 16 April 1953. I think Peter Woods should check with the man he knew and get his facts right..

[@rich11a15]

@@johnlawes5794 The Royals have always had access to a ‘charted private use’ of a navy vessel, forever!

[@howardmaryon]

The Bose-Lyons family were “coal-owners” meaning that they owned and administrated several coal mines in Britain. They were cruel and heartless towards their employees, only interested in money. In some places in Britain where there coal mines were, to this day the local people spit on the ground if you mention the Bose-Lyons name.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

Bowes-Lyon not Bose-Lyons and they were probably not much different to many other aristocratic owners of coal mines at the time

[@henryford2950]

I'm sure they also did human sacrifices, too. These won't stop at nothing.

[@ottonieoswald9184]

Was that the original name instead of Bowes?

[@pedanticradiator1491]

@@ottonieoswald9184 no

[@dorasyiem4010]

No wonder for no reason, I never liked the QM and to think that she despised the ( L) Prince Phillip who had blue vein like her Royal husband but unlike her. I am not from England either but since the time I first watched her videos , I never like that QM , there was something about her which simply could not like her.

[@gazgandalf4854]

My Grandmother was 'in Service' and told me years ago that the Queen Mother wasn't very pleasant. If I recall, her words were, "She isn't a nice person and can be cruel." I was shocked because the Media portrayed her as saintly. I don't think she was a particularly warm-person and was simply 'functional' around us lesser beings. A product of her time? Perhaps, but I think power and position can enable our darker side.

[@73egg]

Well put

[@carolinecollett4349]

My mother said she didn't feed or treat her servants very well. When Bowes Lyons visited Shugborough Hall, where my mother was in service in the 1930's, the entourage of servants told of very cold conditions and lack of food.

[@gazgandalf4854]

@@carolinecollett4349 Tallies with what I have heard too. Her face never looked 'warm' even when smiling; it always looked forced to me.

[@dannacollins2520]

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[@iriscollins7583]

@@gazgandalf4854 I'm so glad I'm not alone. I always thought she was acting. Her smile didn't seem reach her eyes. I don't see the Queen like her mother, but I definitely saw Margaret like her. Indeed the Queen self effacing like her father.

[@hughiecarins-og4js]

I had a friend who worked for the Royal Family and he stated that the Queen Mother was a real old witch as was the Duke of Edinburgh. He actually told the Duke of Edinburgh to go to hell.

[@carolyncouch4094]

They would have been right at home.

[@dreichoutdoors5274]

My great grandmother was a servant at Dunrobin Castle in the very early 1900's where the future QM visited as a child. My great grandmother had a huge dislike of the QM until the day she died. The one time i asked her why, I saw her naturally smiling face turn to a scowl and she seethed the words "horrible nasty woman".

[@sararaftery3729]

my grandma was the same age as elizabeth, and what she called her is not fit for print!

[@B_Bodziak]

Based upon my experience, I agree with your great grandmother 100%. "Horrible and Nasty" are the two adjectives I use when describing my dealings with her, as well.

[@tombartram7384]

Nice story bro.

[@moptopbaku6022]

Spot on!!!

[@shutup2751]

how old was your great grandmother if she was working in early 1900's ? didn't the QM pass away in 2002 ?

[@mrskhepple]

I lived opposite one of the Queen mothers butlers. He worked for her many years. He said she had a different demeanour behind closed doors and was not a nice person to say the least. Shame !

[@tfh5575]

a lot of monsters can be so charming. i’ve been fooled a couple times. now, when someone seems too charming it’s a red flag for me

[@amysands8925]

To good to be true comes to mind.

[@KingJackson11355]

What did she do bad behind closed doors? Most people have good and bad sides. Can’t we just focus on the good sides of people?

[@mrskhepple]

@@KingJackson11355we all have sides. But we should be predominantly the same with all people in front and behind doors! It seem the lower classes were treat very differently and that is the consensus of thousands of people who were associated with her. You reap what reputation you sow and that is just a fact. If my daughters were to treat people different because of cultural differences I would have been devastated. Thankfully they are as good as their portrayal with all walks of life. It’s naive to to except someone from bad traits just because they have a title!

[@tonyves]

Yeah. Heresay. and what do those that know you say about you? Heresay.

[@SS11660]

She wanted to be the queen. She controlled her husband and wanted to control her daughter. She refused to leave the home like tradition. She loved the spotlight.

[@KingJackson11355]

If you were a King or Queen so would you

[@splinterbyrd]

I gather she originally had her sights set on Edward Prince of Wales, but he wasn't interested, which added to her later resentment of Wallis Simpson

[@kayschwartz3150]

@mediterraneanworld 100 per cent. All the judgement. I wonder how many of them American. They are judging how things were 80 years ago, it was a different time, different values a different way of life. For the Americans are any of them responsible for segregation in schools up until tge 60s? Or the KKK. elizabeth was a different woman, and things changed and evolved over her reign. Charles is a humanitarian and very much a tree hugger, deeply committed to the environment. This would of not been something the Monarchy would of entertained 80 years ago. So many judgy people.

[@finosuilleabhain7781]

@@kayschwartz3150 Ironic, given how judgy the old dragon was.

[@kayschwartz3150]

@finosuilleabhain7781 but that was my very point. 80 years ago everything was so different. That is how she was raised. You can see the changes in attitude and approach from Elizabeth to Charles to William.

[@C-a-]

My Aunt used to make her hats. The staff dreaded her coming in . She was very rude and demanding

[@User_-qj5kn]

@@C-a- who is your aunt?

[@SN-sz7kw]

Never understood the adoration for someone who led such a unearned, charmed, and ostentatious existence. Even her hardships were endured in great comfort & propped up by legions of servants. I don’t revile her, just no point to all the public affection.

[@penelopelopez8296]

It’s wonderful how life works. Some people try so hard to somewhat successful in life and all they get out of life is craps. Then some people don’t do anything in life and things just keep coming to them. It just makes you sick to get up every day.

[@clarivsmedia8697]

Such is the will of God?

[@therearenogods3716]

@@clarivsmedia8697 there are no gods, grow up.

[@gillianwardle8813]

@@therearenogods3716 time will reveal your mistake. Look into it while you can.

[@therearenogods3716]

@@gillianwardle8813 free yourself of the cancer of religion!

[@JPKnapp-ro6xm]

She always blamed her husband's death on the stress of being king, which he was not naturally suited to and was not prepared for. He smoked like a chimney and died of lung cancer, a disease not caused by stress.

[@brontewcat]

Yes, but I think her view was because of the stresses he smoked more after he became king.

[@lizziebkennedy7505]

@@brontewcat what was princess Margaret’s excuse? Common denominator is this one.

[@brontewcat]

@@lizziebkennedy7505 I am sorry - that is irrelevant. The reason why George VI smoked has nothing to do with why his daughter smoked

[@lizziebkennedy7505]

@@brontewcat You’re not sorry. And your claim is absurd!

[@maureenbailey7062]

@@brontewcat k

[@marionward7672]

Elizabeth Bowes-Lynn was the ONLY member of the royal family to visit her nieces ( her brother's children, Narrissa and Kathleen) while they lived their lives in the Royal Earlswood Asylum for the insane later known as the Royal Earlswood mental hospital. I know. I was a nurse there.

[@narelleschulze3959]

You should write a book about that

[@tomcross3000]

no princess margaret?

[@susanhopins4184]

So nurse what did these children have that deserved being shut away could their parents not afford nannies?

[@susanhopins4184]

Just interested in knowing after watching the incredible film the greatest show …..or was it all just show for some folk .

[@gogglebox2427]

@@susanhopins4184 my late elderly neighbour (who was ages with Queen Mum).. was born and grew up alongside Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (Queen Mum), on Glamis Estate. She did not like the Queen Mum, although the description she gave of Queen Mum, could have been of herself. 😂 Even whilst playing with the children of the Estate, Elizabeth expected total deference. My neighbour told me of the local knowledge of mental disabity running through the Bowes-Lyon lineage. Queen Mum had publically said it didn't come from "my side", but it did. Back in History, the Bowes-Lyons had an Heir who was mentally disabled and kept locked in, and looked after in a turret of Glamis Castle, hidden away. (There are more windows from outside than can be accounted for inside). So.. the Bowes-Lyon were always defensive on the topic of mental disability. And, of course, it is only in fairly recent decades that we expect those with disabilities to live in the Community, not Institutions. (I have a disabled adult child, whom we've always Cared for), as did my husbands Aunt with his cousin. But, that was unusual for a woman of her generation (born 1920s.and with a child born in 1950s), never mind before that time. It was expected that if you had a disabled child they were "put away" in an Institution. Indeed, that was still happening with some children born at same time as our child in 1970s (and later). Queen Mum was always aware of the issues of Mental Disability in her family, but....how could the mother of the Monarch make that public? In recent decades Countess of Strathmore was a tireless worker, (even into great age), locally for Charities for people with Learning Disabilities. And a very NICE lady. She, was keen to be seen to raise the profile of Mental Disability, not ignore it, or deny it.

[@carolyncouch4094]

Everyone that knew her didn’t like her and yet the media said she was beautiful and a kindly grandma and the people bought it.

[@P55999]

The media has to say she was nice if they don't want a law suit

[@CarmenMorton-s7j]

the media is full of tricks and dirty lies, a well known fact,.

[@trudilm3864]

It's been said that she refused to leave the Palace after the King died. It took three years to prise her out, with the aid of Mey, the Lodge at Windsor and Clarence House, along with houses at Balmoral and Sandringham. The Queen organised a £4m overdraft for her at Coutts which she maintained until her death. The Queen thought it the only chance of inhibiting her spending. It was such a lot of money back then.

[@judymckechnie7278]

It was only one year to move her on. The Duke of Edinburgh didn't want to move into Buckinham Palace either. Churchill demanded it, but it was 12 months, not 3 years. Cheers.

[@russbear31]

In a book I read recently, it said that she initially refused to leave the palace. QEII then offered her Clarence House, but it was too small for her. She wanted Marlborough House, which was Queen Mary's London home. It was nearly 3 times bigger than Clarence House and sat on several acres of land. She actually wanted Queen Mary thrown into the streets so she could have it. When the QEII refused, she finally agreed to take Clarence House but only after millions were spent to refurbish it.

[@rigobertogarcia4956]

Yes, when the king died and Her daughter became Queen she wanted to stay and still hold power over Queen Elizabeth. Micromanage the Monarch.

[@kathleenwatson6868]

@@russbear31 o

[@1234cheerful]

Yeah. I think they finally turned off the heat.

[@prokkle4765]

My grandmother hated the Queen Mother. The Queen Mother's comment about being glad to be bombed so she could look Eastenders in the face was really offensive. The Royal Family had many homes they could use, fully staffed, all around the country; the London poor had only rental accomodation and if that was bombed, they were literally on the street. It was not a comparable situation at all.

[@miriamjones1861]

I agree with your grandmother. Not only did they have multiple dwellings to run to, they had an escape route planned to take all the royals to Canada if Hitler invaded.

[@oldman1734]

Prokkle. Obviously the Royals had lots of places they could go to during the war. Including abroad to Canada for instance. But they decided to stay even after the Palace was hit. I’m no royalist, they don’t interest me, but give them their due. They stuck it out. And saying that being bombed themselves made it easier for them when facing ordinary people who had been bombed is reasonable.

[@nickjung7394]

My mother and older sister lived in London throughout the war whilst my Father was serving. My Mother's experience differs considerably from your grandmother's. The "London Poor", of which my Mother was one, were rehoused as quickly as possible in my Mother's personal experience. Do not forget that Peter Mandelson's grandfather, Herbert Morrison, was supposed to be in charge of the programme.(Morrison avoided callup in WW1 and got himself a safe job during WW2).

[@jeankorte3556]

@@oldman1734 I have to agree with you, if the king and Queen had run off to Canada, how could they ever face their people again, by saying that being bombed they could experience what the ordinary people are going through, I admired them greatly, and the then Princess Elizabeth even joined the ambulance service and did her bit for the war office

[@jenniferstewart9012]

Stop it. You know what she meant. If it hadn't happened she would never have been given the chance to o meet those people

[@hazelpearson7807]

My Dad said many years ago, probably in the sixties, that there would be no peace within the Royal family until the Queen Mother died, that she lived so long was too bad as it’s obvious that peace of a kind began when her influence was gone. The fact that Charles waited to marry Camilla is proof enough. She was a snob and I believe extremely jealous of her daughter being Queen and her interference ruined Margaret’s life to some degree although Margaret didn’t need any help in making bad decisions and being more Royal than her sister.

[@donnawood3505]

margaret was never better to be Queen than QE2!

[@AM-qp2wx]

@donnawood.....I think you mis-interpreted what was said.

[@joycemckeown789]

I do believe her daughter Margaret was equally as rude and extremely full of herself.

[@onemercilessming1342]

Try not to be too hard on Princess Margaret. Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was a b*tch, and a horrible example as a mother. ER II handled her because she, ER II, was Queen regnant. She gave in to her mother on family affairs, and even Phillip resented how extensive her influence was. ER II claimed to give Phillip sway as head of her family, but keep in mind that EB-L kept her power base around her after her husband, George VI, died. It was imperative that ER II marry and produce heirs. Margaret, not so much. Thwarted of a marriage to a man she loved because he was divorced (causing Wallis, Duchess of Windsor, to remark: "I wonder how she feels now that it's happened to her own daughter?") Absolutely no effort was put into finding a suitable husband for Margaret, hence her disastrous marriage to Snowden. Nor did EB-L think Phillip was suitable for Elizabeth. The Queen Mother hated Lord Louis Mountbatten and resented him, especially after he commented that the BRF was the house of Mountbatten, thanks to his pushing Phillip at then-Princess Elizabeth, aged 13. Hence the original hyphenated of the surname, not that the BRF actually has surnames. They take the names of their duchies and castles, subject to change.

[@joycemckeown789]

@@onemercilessming1342 If she wasn't a bitch, what do you call someone that stubs her cigarette out on the palm of someone's hand?

[@sherrillsturm7240]

She said of herself, "I am not as nice as people think." When people tell you who they are, you should be paying attention. I heard she was the force behind forbidding Margaret's marriage to Townsend, and Charles' marriage to Camilla. Both Margret's and Charles' lives underwent very unhappy years because of her influence. She was rumored to disapprove of Philip, and apparently made sure he gave up his promising naval career and succession to his own family's crown in order for Elizabeth to marry him.

[@belindamay8063]

@sherrillsturm. Just for balance : Philip had nothing to give up when he married Young Elizabeth. There was no kingdom and no throne to inherit. Greece had become a republic. Philip was the son of an exiled King but had never lived with him or known the royal life. Before his marriage he only had his pay as an officer in the Royal Navy. He lodged here with his English uncle, Lord Louis Mountbatten - the man who ( carefully )engineered his first introduction to Elizabeth who was 13 at the time.

[@franadams6389]

@@belindamay8063 he continued in the navy until Elizabeth became Queen, not when he married her. They married in 1947 (?), and she became Queen in '52, so had a few more years career.

[@dulciemidwinter1925]

Philip had a hell of a job in getting her out of Buckingham Palace allegedly. She didn't want to let go of her influence over the Queen. Luckily he won!

[@lisaowen1320]

An adorable lady.

[@SymphonyBrahms]

Not really.

[@zeddeka]

I'm English and my great grandmother was more or less exactly the same age as the queen mother: she would always tell me how massively unpopular the queen mother was with many people of that age group. She said the queen mother had a terrible reputation as an unscrupulous gold digger whose only concern was to throw herself at the highest bidder.

[@andyrjs]

She had a reputation when visiting country estates in Yorkshire of 'entertaining' the young stable lads.

[@beyourself2444]

@@shirleyminassian1547 Her daughters, Margaret was pretty and very free with her body…

[@lilivetaflowers1730]

@@andyrjs What do you mean? Queen mother had relations with those lads??😉😉😜😜

[@anon7503]

Sounds like a certain American actress

[@ucall4751]

@anon Dont start that. This is about the queen mother.

[@elenaescocia2479]

My great uncle worked with the RF during WW2 he said that the Queen Mother wasn’t a nice woman & was hated by a lot of staff. She was disliked by a lot of family members too.

[@donnawood3505]

and she gave QE2 a hard time. until Philip said to give her her own place to live. she hated not being Queen anymore!

[@mikethompson5549]

Inbreeding

[@justsayin8893]

She was a home wrecker, facilitating the abdication of Edward and banishing he and wallis from the UK! Mean nasty malignant covert narcissist, hoping karma gets her in the afterlife 😡

[@Doug6412]

My grandmother was parlourmaid in one of the houses that ms Bowes-Lyon lived as a young woman. She treated the servants with disdain and as objects to be used. All about image, and nothing about empathy. A thoroughly distasteful entitled person. People were to kowtow to her or be punished

[@LumiSisuSusi]

My great grandmother/ great great grandfather worked for the royals and got pregnant by one of them... But my grandmother was not sure if she was the royal product, or of it was her mother ... She eavesdropped on a conversation so couldn't quite remember if it pertained to her mother, or her grandmother. It's rather awful to know that I apparently have "royal" genes.

[@onemercilessming1342]

@@LumiSisuSusi Plenty of people have royal blood who were born on the wrong side of the blanket. As Mel Brooks said as Louis XVI in "History of the World Part I", "It's good to be the King!"

[@gailcurl8663]

@@LumiSisuSusi Being Royal, Even if a Bit, is Nothing to be Proud Of. England's Royals are Inbreds Going Back Hundreds of Years. They are a Corrupt Bunch and Into "Santanic Rituals". Do The Research and Prepare to be Shocked!! Everything That Glitters in Not Gold!!

[@matthewhendy5785]

Good riddance to the racist old bag.

[@janeholmes9374]

YES AS I SAID EARLIER AN EVIL WOMAN, HOPE SHE IS SUFFERING IN THE AFTERLIFE

[@aprilevangelineeriksson9174]

Diana has said about her: "She is not human"

[@SymphonyBrahms]

The QM allowed Charles to use her country house for his affair with CowMilla.

[@scottmcintosh2511]

And Diana was not sane

[@JimMac23]

Diana was sane. But she was used by the royal machine. After she had her children, she was shunned.

[@JimMac23]

@@scottmcintosh2511 Diana was sane. The hateful old queen mother was an evil old harridan.

[@onesunnyday5699]

​@@scottmcintosh2511I'm so sick of the glorifying of Diana over 25 yrs after her humiliating 💀. She was as saintly as Mother Theresa 🙄

[@wendymorrison5803]

She was all of these things and determined to hold power. Her double title, Queen Elizabeth Queen Mother. Its telling. She decided that her daughter wasnt competent to make decisions, resented Prince Phillip, bullied Margaret into sacrificing love. The public persona? Its all smoke and mirrors

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

From what I heard, Philip couldn't stand her for years.

[@unicornL]

How sad tbh

[@Paradox-vk9fe]

WIth Margaret she was forced to chose between love or being a royal...she chose royal.

[@karend9445]

Queen mother is a title given to the mother of the Queen or King. It’s an honorarium not a title that Imparts power. She was Queen Elizabeth due to her widowhood. Which made her Queen Elizabeth, the Queens Mother. But as Elizabeth II was 24 when she ascended to the throne the Queen Mother had no power over Elizabeth, Regina.

[@kevinmorgan8534]

@@karend9445 I've read that since Queen Mary was still alive and had the Dowager Queen title, the Queen consort became the Queen Mother so as to avoid confusion.

[@mindygooding9458]

I just watched this and I believe the “doting on her great grandchildren” is somewhat false. It is said that Charles and then William were doted on because they are the heirs. She considered the rest of them as spares and that’s how she treated them.

[@onemercilessming1342]

Yes.

[@1234cheerful]

Agreed, that is what I have always read. There are pictures of Charles getting intense attention, a big hug, but nothing like that for Anne. Ironic that the person who only married into the royal tradition is the one who just wallows in it (not referring to weight but to behaviour).

[@maryt2196]

Everyone has their favourites...it's just important not to show it

[@onemercilessming1342]

@@maryt2196 The Queen Mother only showed affection and support to the ones in the direct line. Read some biographies. She was a world class bitch. Start with King of Fools.

[@enem54321]

@@1234cheerful YES - it's a huge insecurity on her part. She could have done so much good - but chose selfish ways

[@leonmatterson562]

My mother was a member of the aristocracy and commented many times just how very dreadful, rude and haughty this woman was to all and sundry. Apparently she treated all with contempt and only those of absolute equal stature were treated with some form of kindness.

[@terencejay8845]

You may recall the Channel 4 TV satire program of the 80's, 'Spitting Image', which used grotesque puppets to tear into those in public life, especially Politicians and the Royal Family, they portrayed her as a gin-soaked 'Beryl Reid' type. It was brilliant.

[@panda5122]

A person is best judged by how they treat their inferiors, not their equals.

[@angiedawnmoody3519]

I never liked her and she wanted her husband to be King so she forced Edward to Abdicate by pushing him to choose between Wallis (divorcee)and the Crown!! Yet she welcomed Camilla with open arms,sorry but that is very two faced to me.

[@beecee2205]

she passed this attitude onto Princess Margaret

[@ottonieoswald9184]

@@beecee2205 Apparently Margaret couldn't stand her mother, possibly why she took the path she did. A very unhappy woman!!

[@kerrydiamond2645]

My late father in law was in the army and told a number of tales of visits by the Queen mother to his regiment and she delighted in picking bits of imaginary fluff off a soldier’s uniform and getting them into trouble

[@genxx2724]

Picking bits of imaginary fluff off soldiers’ uniforms is used as an excuse to touch them. Why would they get in trouble?

[@kerrydiamond2645]

The soldier was disciplined for not taking proper care of his uniform

[@jackdawmamma7482]

My Dad was also in the Army & strangely enough he told me almost the exact same thing would happen whenever the QM would visit them or watch their parades & drill practise- she would look for thinks to complain about & basically make up a whole load of nasty lies & get soldiers in his regiment in serious trouble. She was a vile woman

[@Jo1066milton]

My late partner also hated the late Queen and Princess Margaret for getting members of the armed forces into trouble by finding imperfections in their turn out while doing "inspections". I don't think it was limited to the QM.

[@clohessey]

My sister in law worked in Marks and Spencer in the Oxford street she loved when the Queen mother visited as she was in the ,manager's book of people she had demanded to be sacked.so the manager used to offer to give the morning off to those on the list. This was just in case she noticed that she had demanded they be sacked .the poor manager was afraid to tell her that in 1972 this was not on. A vile woman.

[@bezstarling8419]

My late father in law came into contact with many of the Royal family in the course of his work. He said the only one he couldn’t stand was the Queen mother.

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

@@BigBillKelly-x2z and you are?

[@KingJackson11355]

Why is that?

[@freepalestinanow]

@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim lol

[@johndean3930]

Wow...and I suppose he was perfect. LOL

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

@@johndean3930 right. because you MUST be perfectly perfect in order to suss out cruelty in someone else 🙄 i can’t call Putin out for war crimes just because i’m imperfect…. is that what you’re saying?

[@LJB103]

Actually, her sister-in-law Alice, Duchess of Gloucester was the oldest member of the royals when she died at 102 (2 months short of 103) in 2004.

[@glynjones9988]

Aunt

[@LJB103]

@@glynjones9988 Still a royal.

[@guerlainedurant537]

​@@glynjones9988 iet

[@christianjob]

@@glynjones9988 sister-in-law

[@stephenfrankling8513]

Yes, she lived in a cottage v near Kensington Palace.

[@argosz3928]

As an Australian child I remember the distaste my mother (English) had for Elizabeth. She said she was "a nasty piece of work". I had no idea to what she was referring, until as an adult I learnt about Elizabeth's character and lifestyle. She was happy to embrace the martyr label (we're just simple country people and don't want the crown), while enjoying all the trappings of wealth and her position as Consort. Her ambitions for the King far outweighed his own. She first exerted influence over her husband, and then Prince Charles. For many years she spent so prodigiously on her indulgent, sartorial and party lifestyle she died in great debt - a burden she was happy to leave for her daughter, Elizabeth II to pay off. That daughter had to learn to avoid any contention with her mother. I doubt many successfully said "No" to Elizabeth Bowes Lyon. Her simpering smile and affected wave fooled many.

[@onemercilessming1342]

Every year, she overspent and ER II quietly paid her debts. She died a couple million in the red and ER II paid.

[@tiffprendergast]

Yeah

[@tiffprendergast]

@@onemercilessming1342 yup

[@onemercilessming1342]

@@tiffprendergast Read King of Fools. It's a biography about Edward VIII, the abdication, and the rabid hatred the Queen Mother had for anyone whom she perceived as a threat to her over-weening ambition.

[@ednakelley814]

I agree. She always looked down her nose at Wallis Simpson and blamed her for her husband becoming King. As if such a position was so oppressive and as you stated "enjoyed all trappings of wealth". If she and her husband didn't want the job, he could have abdicated like his brother and let the job fall to someone else. But of course they were not going to let that gravy train pass.

[@mc.8391]

Reading the majority of these comments just confirms the stories I heard about her from my Nan when I was young. Prior to this video and comments, all I ever heard was "what a wonderful lady she was, loved by all"...... Makes you wonder how the media can be so off the ball with their information.

[@rosiebell9391]

They are paid

[@rosiebell9391]

Money all ways talks

[@l.alexandra5871]

I never thought well of the Queen Mum. There’s something about her face, or in her eyes, that goes well with this short biography. She looks as if she used her “sweet face” to get away with the way she treated people and the things she said: massive manipulative. I may be wrong but she didn’t look particularly bright but she’d use her authority to push her own agenda in a selfish way.

[@helenlesley5456]

NO surprises L.Alexandra, same birthdate as the ghastly Meghan Markle...

[@jessiemacgregor1357]

The Queen Mum was thought a lot of by my parents my father was a WW1 vet and they both said we in the UK dodged a bullet with Edward, George & Elizabeth made a great team especially thought the war WW11

[@louiseharper7850]

Albert Einstein didn't look particularly bright! And I don't think believing films made for KZbin is particularly bright either.

[@1234-m7w]

i always found esp as she aged with those rotten teeth she looked like a witch

[@louiseharper7850]

Jessie MacGregor, So very true! In a BBC documentary, about Wallis and Edward, in 1936, three years before WWII and when Hitler was preparing his armies, MI5 knew she, Simpson, was taking the Kings messages to the Italian embassy. The Kings messages were edited by MI5 as Edward and Mrs Simpson were such a high security risk and what the King saw had unbeknown to him been censored because of suspected security leaks. As Italy was in league with Germany I would personally call Wallis and Windsor a pair of traitors. Since Megan married into the Royal family we read, see, hear nothing but tell tales and lies, it seems she is out to ruin the Royals, if that is, what we read or hear is actually true.

[@kathleenclark5877]

Yes. She was responsible for Margaret’s rather tragic life without the love of her life. But even worse in my view is poor Charles. I know many aren’t impressed with him but he has been stuck for his entire life waiting in the wings to fulfill his role as the monarch. The Queen Mum insisted that he get married and approved of Diana as the likely candidate. He always loved Camilla but he deferred to his duty and did what he was told to the ruination of both Charles’ and Diana’s lives. Note that he and Camilla while both “free” waited until the QM’s death to wed. And look how completely happy he is now. I have always felt really sorry for him. The QM was indeed a bit of a pill.

[@wonjubhoy]

At least he is the king now.

[@joycebaron672]

It's just as it was then, my parents were very Victorian in their thinking, but that's just the way they were raised .

[@DanMarksman]

Long live the king. God save the king. God bless the king.

[@catherinegee1044]

Prince Charles had a terrible upbringing by nannies, and vacant parents in his life. Lack of parental affection did emotional damage. he was totally controlled all his life by his parents. May King Charles lll, finally have happiness, in his final years!

[@jessiejames7492]

i think charles will be like her. he was very close to his grandmother. his actions that day telling his 'servants' to remove the ink wells tells a lot. of course he was grieving but thats no excuse to forget ones manners. ! i feel sorry for britain to accept such useless royals and pay for their upkeep.! terrible

[@LETTYONLY1]

I have always said that this women was very ambitious ONCE she realised what being royal was she became obsessed and absolutely loved it! She apparently sent a letter to someone stating how her brother in law Edward VIII was not appropriate for king and that her and her husband were! This is before the abdication! She was clearly extremely ambitious and had her eyes on the crown all along! I never believed she was this sweet commoner everyone makes out she was - she is the absolute opposite, in every sense!!!’

[@maureenpetty9190]

I never liked her. She was a snob.

[@samtcgan068]

the QM was a Lady of the Scottish Aristocracy ,unlike you and me, mere Commoners...Diana was also a Commoner ,but of the English Aristocracy ,Hence her name Lady Diana Spencer,until she married The Prince of Wales and became Princess Diana through Marriage to HRH the Prince of Wales.

[@richietaylor9870]

@Lyn Bee Yes, in fact both the Queen Mother and Lady Diana Spencer’s fathers held exactly the same rank in the nobility, of Earl.

[@Garbeaux.]

I believe the same thing. I think once she married George VI she became ambitious to be queen. She played the long game. She found out what palace politics were all about and got greatly involved. She was instrumental in bringing Edward down even though it didn’t appear that way on the surface. Once George became king, she ruled thru him. Then she tried to rule thru Elizabeth II but that didn’t work bc of Philip.

[@Garbeaux.]

@Linni loov In the eyes of royalty, all the subjects in one’s kingdom are commoners regardless if they’re titled. That’s why until her, foreign princesses were all that was acceptable for an HRH to wed. The children of a monarch had always been used to shore up alliances thru marriages to foreign royals. WWI changed that.

[@malcolmcarroll9497]

They didn’t stay in London at night, they went to Windsor castle. As for Buckingham palace being bombed, it was a small area at one corner. Also, hardly their home, just one of many.

[@iamcarbonandotherbits.8039]

I had a friend in the military and working at the palace, and the QM, grabbed him one day and said follow me. He said walking behind the QM and listening to her chunterings was eye-opening as the language she used was barrack room to say the least. She pointed out a decanter of whisky and said to him, look at that, there's at least half a glass in quantity missing from it, how am I to stop the servants from drinking from these decanters when those who are supposed to recharge them to the top, fall short of their dutys. The half glass had apparently been drunk by one of the royals. The QM then moved on to other things leaving my friend alone in the room, he took a quick look around then had a heafty slug from the decanter himself, well perks of the trade as they say.

[@jeanmyers1787]

Now I know where Andrew got his lack of manners & lofty attitude from!!

[@mandyellis876]

🤣🤣🤣

[@nickyjones2709]

😂😂😂😂

[@louiseharper7850]

@@jeanmyers1787 so when did you meet Andrew?

[@sureyyaekinci4630]

Boy oh boy , do you all still think Harry and Meghan are making it all up

[@francishunt562]

She used to call Wallis as the woman who killed her husband : strange that she never mentioned the 40 per day cigarette habit that was the real cause.

[@maryhirsch7170]

She wanted David before he took up with Wallis, that is why she hated Wallis!

[@lunaholiday8585]

There is no way stress didn’t contribute to the king’s death.

[@Steampunksaly]

Did she? Wow, you must have been very close to her. Amazing !

[@jennifercogzell748]

Yes I remember thinking that it was probably the smoking that got to him

[@maryhirsch7170]

@@Steampunksaly you should try reading once on a while.

[@williamdewarrenne5848]

I worked with a man who had been a sergeant in the Coldstream guards, he told us ,that when she inspected them on parade, she would purposely find fault with any one guard ,and have him put on a charge just out of spite.

[@scottmcintosh2511]

Drivel, she was the Royal Visitor to my school and she was always charming to everyone she met, from Lord Lieutenant of the County to youngest schoolboy. Later I served in the Royal Navy Queen Elizabeth visited many of HM Ships and Establishments, she was always kind and often used to stop when Inspecting a Guard of Honour to speak to an individual. On one occasion when she was visiting HMS Ark Royal - a ship that she had launched and felt was her 'pet' ship she stopped to speak to the oldest serving AB on the ship, he was nervous and when he tried to reply he could not speak, HM immediately reached into her handbag and brought out a tin of Cough Sweets saying ''You poor man, when I get like that I suck one of these - here have a Zube''. At the Castle of Mey, her country seat in Caithness, she owned a very successful breeding herd of cattle, she always attended the local cattle fairs and was known as a good cattle breeder and a friend of the farming community

[@SymphonyBrahms]

He lied to you.

[@jessiemacgregor1357]

@@scottmcintosh2511 My parents would agree with you they thought King George & Queen Elizabeth were true & honourable to there people both admired greatly in our district in the North East of Scotland. My Father was in the 1st Battalion of the Gordon Highlanders served in the front line in WW1 at the Battle of the Soam & also Ypres both extremely fierce battles he got gassed & shelled crashed a motor bike, broke his nose but he survived. After the war he took up farming started as a crofter had many children. He disliked king Edward marked him down as a waster and was so grateful he Abidacated HRH Queen Eluzabeth ( the Queen Mother) was a wonderful support to her husband and was well thought of.

[@brymorian]

A trait she passed on to her promiscuous daughter Margaret

[@fookorf]

serves them right for being sycophants.

[@lenwilkinson672]

M Chapman. Thank you for your reply. I am 94 years of age.Have read a few books on the late Queen Mother.nothing nothing fictional.Met the King and Queen during the war when I was ,just a boy of 13 after they visited after an air raid she was lovely and spoke quite some time The King spoke to others.I was outside the palace when I saw Churchill with them on the balcony. I was 16 then.One of the proudest moments of my life,and to be an Englishman.

[@alanbrown9178]

I used to watch news pictures of the queen mother on tv and I concluded that she was someone who knew exactly how to "work the crowds". It seems I wasn't wrong.

[@rubynelson1164]

That was her job.

[@alanbrown9178]

@@rubynelson1164 Indeed, the "monarchy" is all an act and an increasing number of citizens are seeing through it.

[@jessiemacgregor1357]

@@rubynelson1164 I agree with your comments 🥳🥳

[@jessiemacgregor1357]

This women has been laid to rest for years but yet U are still getting pleasure from raking up the past it's no wonder Horrid Harry is doing the same using his dead Mother to keep him on the front page But if this is what makes your world go round just think after your gone what others are going to rake up about you.

[@alanbrown9178]

@@jessiemacgregor1357 Can't say I'm bothered about peoples' opinion of me after I'm gone. In contrast, the royalty are all about creating impressions to ensure its continuation..... and that of the "establishment". They have plenty of sycophants to help out. Royalty should have been disbanded in the early 1800s, it became meaningless after that time.

[@susanvaughan-schiele210]

A snaggle-toothed, alcoholic, dominant monster of a woman. The kind of parent that is hard to survive around without being damaged.

[@inamoore4536]

But daughter, the late Elizabeth II, was the polar opposite--kind, considerate, and well respected and loved by staff and family.

[@mfjdv2020]

@@inamoore4536 Elizabeth (daughter) was completely cold. No emotion. Hardly surprising with a mother like EBL.

[@inamoore4536]

@sitithesecond I knew the late queen had a reserve, stoic demeanor, but I read and heard too many reports that Elizabeth II was nothing like her mom. I never heard anything about her being rude to her staff, and she well respected by her immediate family and friends. Maybe you know something I don't know.

[@cherylhulting1301]

@@inamoore4536 I must say that I've never heard stories of Queen Elizabeth being rude to her staff either. The accounts I've heard indicate her staff respected her.

[@ShidachiOm]

But the results were typical. She begat 1 narcissist and one empath. Good fortune the empath took the throne. RIP, QEII.

[@carolinel6236]

My mother told me that she wasn't generally appreciated when visiting bomb sites during the war. All dressed up and back to her nice warm palace, lots of food and no hardships. She had no idea what the general population were going through, she went to be seen that was all. As for the palace being bombed it wasn't damaged beyond repair and they had their own very comfortable bunkers (complete with servants) under the palace

[@stuartsharman3055]

I agree with your point of view there. I never liked the queen's mother. (NO capitals here, is a personal choice, not bad grammar). In fact I don't like ANY of this wasteful, self-important brood of wasters. A couple of weeks ago Prince William stood on street corners selling Big Issue Magazines, with real homeless people. He just showed his smug, arrogant face for half hour, with his, "we understand your Situation" fackness, then tripped off back to his lavish mansion. They're all the same. Empty gestures, and corporate class all their own. The French had the right idea around 1789, quickly dispensing with their crass aristocrats. Wish we'd done the same!

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

@@stuartsharman3055 well said 👏

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

If course it should have never happened, politicking is what all wars are about, they all want to run the world, we can be self governing individuals given half the chance. The system was and is set up to keep us poor and these corporate figure heads rich.

[@joysynmonds9082]

They know NOTHING OF LIFE! But they preach at us ! Queen's speeches are utterly pointless, both in Parliament AND at CHRISTMAS !! Last years was the worst. When you are both in your ni series the inevitable will happen. We can shoot off to country estate to remember out loved ones!!! I loved PP, but watching him deteriorate was pitiful. He was released. Give thanks to God, and carry on. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@wendyneylon4377]

@@stuartsharman3055 I agree with everything you’ve said. I was born and raised to be a “royalist” but now I just find the whole thing distasteful. They are a spoilt, entitled bunch entirely out of touch with reality and the day to day struggles the rest of us deal with. They are only in that position because the stole all their wealth and murdered anyone who got their way.

[@robertmartin542]

She proved only the good die young!

[@elizabethhautz1933]

Exactly!!!

[@katherinekelly5380]

The Queen Mum said about herself that she wasn’t as nice as people thought she was - so she had some self awareness on the difference between her public persona and her private life

[@nickyjones2709]

Perhaps she was pissed 😂

[@iamcarbonandotherbits.8039]

Yet she never thought to amend it, entitled unto death should be their motto.

[@adanedwardspencer6891]

Yes, you are so right in your assumptions, it certainly seems to be that way,

[@adanedwardspencer6891]

It's a pity that the Royals are not the people that I thought they were, however, I enjoyed serving the Queen in the Australian Army, & I still have respect for her, & I considered her my monarch, BUT Charles on the other hand, isn't, & NEVER will be my King, & Camilla, NEVER my Queen 👸 EVER.

[@adanedwardspencer6891]

Well, I didn't know that she was such a nasty person, I always thought that she was alright, but it just goes to show how well her P. R. was for her!

[@tricivenola8164]

These comments from those who actually encountered the Queen Mum describe a woman who was lovely as long as you were what she considered an equal, not so much if you weren't. I am reminded of certain beloved movie stars who are nice to the famous and treat everybody else like trash. Fortunately they're not all like that- and neither, I am told, are the royals.

[@maryhirsch7170]

I admit, I never met her, never wanted to. I would like to meet the current queen.

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

Right so because she seemed nice, was ok for them to take the the landing turn into lease holds then sell you the land which your ancestors and you had to pay back with interest to keep the fraudulent central bank system if the City if London and hide their money overseas to avoid tax makes the royals so lovely to this day. What a charade you make out of life🤦‍♀️

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

@@maryhirsch7170 why? But most of all she does not care for the people least of all you, wake up you are living in la la land

[@gailwaters814]

Her low view of African management seems to be correct. African governments have certainly proved her to be spot on. Especially the buffoons in South Africa.

[@missjade2940]

@@maryhirsch7170 I think the current queen is a sweetheart and I'd like to meet her too. She's funny and witty. Not saying she doesn't have bad qualities, these royals all seem like fictional characters to me, nothing more.

[@skp7577]

I met her for most of a day in 1965, when I was 10. Maybe it was a child’s instinct to see/feel beneath the surface image, but I recoiled from her, finding something rather unpleasant there. It was nothing she said or did specifically, as she was well enough mannered, if superior. I didn’t much like her, or think well of her, thereafter.

[@KingJackson11355]

How did you meet her?

[@skp7577]

@@KingJackson11355 She was the President of the boarding school where I was a pupil.

[@Bronte866]

I have repeatedly read that this woman was pretty awful. She apparently stated that, “I am not a nice person.” I never liked her.

[@leewood729]

I had a friend who was a baker working in one of those "Victorian" villages where they try to recreate the feel with period actors. She was given a loaf of bread fresh out of the antique oven... but put it down and forgot to take it with her. By the time she remembered, she and her aides and security team had already left. So she stopped everyone, blocking the road, and everyone had to wait while a policeman on his motorbike was sent back to retrieve it! And it was well known that anything the Queen Mum took a liking too, and said, "Oh, that's very nice..." was code for "I want it, give it to me." People were known to pack away anything they didn't want to lose before her visits. Nope, not a fan of the entire family.

[@No1grandma74]

It was Queen Mary that used to get given things that she stated she liked. She was married to King George V.

[@hilaryjohns4049]

@@No1grandma74 Thank you for correcting that error. I knew it was Queen Mary.

[@jackieporter5323]

The person who was well known for taking a liking to her hosts possessions, pictures, furniture, objets d’ art, was in fact, Queen Mary , not the Queen Queen Mother.

[@herzkine]

So she stopped for a bread she liked... horror... :D

[@matthigdon8324]

That was Queen Mary, not Queen Elizabeth.

[@happytraveller2122]

My grandmother loathed the Queen Mother. I trust her judgement

[@mazinwonderland3077]

Same as my mother, she loathed her too.

[@mothermovementa]

Why hehe

[@KingJackson11355]

Why did they hate her?

[@SymphonyBrahms]

Don't trust anyone's judgement but your own.

[@happytraveller2122]

@@mothermovementa not really sure 🤷‍♀️

[@joan5856]

A South African who was at school with my Aunt's in Kimberly married a Bowes-Lyon. She was a lady in waiting to the Queen. She was an extremely beautiful woman, very kind and gentle.

[@2charliep]

I remember a friend who grew up in the East End saying how her mother loathed QM, and how angry she was when QM tried to equate the damage at Buckingham Palace to that of the bomb damage in the rest of London, and her demand for extra clothing coupons. I was surprised by the vehemence because that generation are usually dedicated RF loyalists.

[@michaelharrison3602]

The press at the time of the war made a big deal about how eastenders loved the QM.because she also suffered from tblitz .A bomb done a little damage to the the gardens of Buckingham Palace where she didn't even live even if the Palace was destroyed she had many other homes Windsor, Sandringham, Balmoral, Kensington Palace, Clarence hose to name a few she carried on living in luxury while the lower classes could barely eat

[@slaneyside]

@@michaelharrison3602 and apparently they had plans arranged for them to move to Canada should the Germans invade.

[@karenburrows9184]

@@michaelharrison3602 While I do not argue with your opinion, I do take exception to taking liberties with the facts. Both Queen Elizabeth (Bowes-Lyon) and King George were in residence when the two bombs fell in the yard just outside the kitchens of the palace. They both heard the bombs before they landed and the Queen mum described the explosions in detail in a letter to her mother in law. The palace was bombed seven times during the war with varying effect. They maintained residence in the palace for the duration of the war because the King thought it his duty. While they did fare better than most of the citizenry, they were also rationed, their expenses had to be approved by the cabinet. You need to study history a little more.

[@wardenblack9734]

The King and Queen were in a Palace room during the attack! Windows were blown in with shards of glass. The K and Q had to dive behind furniture to avoid being cut! Hardly the little bit garden damage described earlier. Online photos show the corner of the building and not the garden suffered in this attack!

[@2charliep]

@@lsmith9249 I don’t know it was my friend’s mother, but that was how she and her neighbourhood felt about the Then Queen, and as they were reacting to what was then current affairs, rather than looking back with rose tinted spectacles, I’d say they were probably not alone.

[@shawnmatthews9594]

She was a typical of members of that class structure. But people choose bigotry as time goes. She had a reason for her ways, culture, upbringing, etc. But no excuse. The times didn't always dictate an individual's decency or indecency. We choose it..

[@maryt2196]

Very few people break away from what they were born and raised with...not just the royals...could be from fear of change. Laziness, etc..i don't expect anything from people that are so out of my sphere of life and experience.they don't mean any more to me then I do to them.

[@nickjung7394]

And, of course, those of the lower classes are never bigoted?

[@helenamcginty4920]

My mother grew up in 1920s and 30s East end of London. Many neighbours worked in the palaces and large houses of the rich. The queen mother was not liked. The "gentry" in general were despised. One comment she recalled was that "they have the morals of rabbits". She only understood that and more when she grew up.

[@parkwood6334]

@Helena McGinty. It's funny, isn't it, that the Middle Class is mocked for prissy values, but the moment anyone untitled behaves the way the aristocracy does (gambling, affairs, financial irresponsibility), it's touted as a moral failing by the aristocracy.

[@shutup2751]

i'm irish not british but the royals can't be that bad can they ? most britons seem happy to keep on voting in pompous snobs to govern them time and time again

[@johnpickford4222]

Helena McGinty: I’ve never enough time with rabbits to inquire about their morals. They do appear to have an easier time at procreation than the QM but I don’t know on what else she is judging them on.

[@caydenclack3913]

@@parkwood6334 }

[@mariahoulihan9483]

I knew people from there who were also vile racists. not at all sahing your people were.. but... doesn;t make them right about things does it? I am also aware many Eastenders were no such thing. A friends Mother who lived across the river in Bermondsey, so not the East End, told me many stories of her era when foreigners were dealt with quite badly and she had no love for the Royal Family. My mothers family, coal miners from the South Wales coal fields and her parents wer ethe same age as the queen Mother, more or less. Grannie the same age, grandfather older, they had a lot of time for the good the Royal family did.. namely the later rather disgraced King who abdicated.. so its horses for courses. many different view points.

[@orion8835]

She was haughty rather controlling on her family, drank too much and was utterly traumatized by the war. She was the ultimate stage mother and power behind two thrones. She advised everyone to act late Victorian. To some degree it drove everyone nuts and yet to another it extended the monarchs image as “perfect”. Naturally her 2nd daughter had a disastrous time in most of her interpersonal relationships and her grandchildren children all had very messy marriages except the youngest. For the most part there were casualties that seemed inevitable via this manipulative way of organizing everyone. Consequently the UK ended up having a very messed up idea that emotions are embarrassing, lying is better. All subtly learned from the top. The courtiers were ludicrous at the palace by the 1980's. The worst lesson transferred was that ignoring problems and more importantly, people, is "good policy". Many affected by the British social trickle down are desperately unhappy people chasing rigid empty dignitaries. Often rebelling, repeatedly falling off the wagon spectacularly. Gaffe after gaffe. It has invaded British politics terribly. Sexually in the UK culture can be very lonely. Divorces skyrocketed after the Wales ended. With the new King having moved on succeeded much of this denialism will dissolve as his behavioral history has been far from peaceable/normal. People accept that the royal family are people versus some kind of robotic army now. The "Queen Mum" was the one who pressurized her daughter to extend the Postwar theme. For 70 years. That concept of repression is long over. It ended in the late 1960's in fact. It was artificially extended by The Queen Mother, her daughter and the Church of England ad nauseum. Indeed.

[@trevorord6871]

Traumatised by the war, from which she was largely isolated.

[@robertblokdijk901]

@@trevorord6871 👍👍

[@hellooutthere8956]

I was in agreement with you and it is still valid but I dont cotton to Charles over the way him and his queen treated Diana. She wasn't perfect but he is a spoiled petulant self- entitled man himself. 19:36

[@genxx2724]

@@hellooutthere8956 Sickening the way they preyed on a naive and innocent teenager, and used her as a brood mare. At least we got beautiful, dutiful William and his beautiful, apparently loving family. 🇺🇸

[@lekis5975]

@@genxx2724 I was with you until you mentioned William. He is not who he has been portrayed to be. Many journalists have admitted, he got into as much trouble as Harry, if not more, but his shenanigans were concealed for the sake of the crown. You claim he is dutiful, yet he only became a full time working royal in 2017 at the ripe age of 35 years, never mind his grandparents who were both in their 90s repeatedly asking him to take on more duties. He is not equipped to be King in the 21st century; Diana said he was a Windsor in looks and temperament (he resembles the Queen and Princess Anne). Just like his father and 4 generations of Windsor men, he is very shy and awkward, and fundamentally he has a vicious temper; he shouts at everyone ranging from his father, to his wife (it has been reported they throw things at each other), he physically attacked his brother, he shouts at his staff and even his friends. He has a poor work ethic- he wanted to drop out of university, he had to be persuaded to stay on, he agreed to stay but changed his degree from History of Art to Geography. He was supposed to then go to the Cirencester college of Agriculture (to learn about Land Management), but nothing came of it. His colleagues at the East Anglia Air Ambulance snitched on him to the papers; they revealed he was only working 20 hrs -2 days a week ( instead of 40 hrs 4 days). When the journalists contacted the Palace, the Palace lied and said his working hours were in keeping with the requirements of the Civil Air Authority (CAA), and that the CAA required him to have several days rest between royal duties and flying. FYI At the time he was not a full time royal, he was carrying out about 90 engagements a year (an average of 2 duties a day, and in some instances a PHONE CALL is counted as an engagement.). When the journalists contacted the CAA, they were told, the CAA had no say over how he combined his work with EAAA and his royal duties, fundamentally it was up to him to ensure he had enough rest between flights. When the journalists went back to the Palace, the courtiers said William's limited working hours had the QEII's and Phillip's approval. There is something odd about him, that we are not being told. Prince Harry travelled far and wide to represent the Crown ranging from Asia (Tibet), Africa, Caribbean, USA etc, whereas for the large part, William has always limited himself to Europe. Since the coronation he has not been sent on a trip abroad to represent the King, instead Sophie and Edward seem to be doing a lot of that.

[@Arimas-bx2rt]

Even Harry said that as children, she made a very big difference between William and him. Since William was the heir, he was treated like he was already King and since Harry was the spare, she treated him like a second class citizen. For example, when they visited her, she would save the very best foods and cuts of meat for William. Diana did not approved of the different treatment.

[@dannsherstone1037]

Thank You! A very accurate description of Elizabeth Bowes Lyon! A spoiled rich girl whos talent for manipulation knew no bounds! This woman helped deliver a sweet, young, naive Lady Dianna to Charles and then provided a safe haven for Charles and Camilla to carry on while Dianna fell apart. Nasty.

[@lacecocoa6272]

Man that is bull crap. Diana was a grown woman who married into the royal family! knew what she was doing. She's not that innocent and naive and it's annoying that y'all saying that. At 19 you're a grown woman. I don't care where you living at in the world. Diana's grandmother actually came to the Queen Mother and talked her into believing Diana was a good fit for Prince charles. Diana also played into that notion. Nobody knew that she wasn't mentally well until they got engaged. And by that time it was too late to really back out. Diana's family never told the royal family that Diana had mental health issues. Mental health issues don't just start because you marry someone she been had that crap. What about Diana cheating on her husband with five different men and being caught in a barn in 1986 with James hewitt? Let's stop trying to make history one-sided stories. Queen mother didn't have nothing to do with what Diana and Charles marriage turned out to be. It's a shame that when it comes to Diana's life everybody is to blame for what happened to her but herself. I've never seen people make so many excuses for a grown person in my whole entire life. Charles and Diana were both wrong for having infidelities in their marriage. You cannot try to make your marriage work by bed hopping with other people. Diana was not a saint and she was not the victim while everybody else in her life the villain. She played the victim & the villain so did charles.

[@marywenzel3199]

We shouldn’t forget that Diana’s own grandmother Lady Ruth Fermoy colluded with the Queen Mum to throw Diana at Charles. The Spencers wanted a Royal marriage at any cost. Surely, Diana’s own family is more to blame for the mismatch. They hid Diana’s mental instability from the Royal family and pressured her to go through with the marriage even though she had grave doubts. Since Charles was QM’s special pet, I am surprised she was for this match. In her attitudes to race and class, she was a product of her times; I take issue with her for other things. She disliked Philip whom she did not regard as good enough for her daughter, resenting that he took ER’s attention away and interfered in the royal marriage. She also interfered in the Queen‘s relationship with Charles by triangulating and making sure the boy preferred her by spoiling him and contradicting his mother’s wishes at every opportunity. Since the queen was largely absent due to affairs of state, queen mum became a substitute maternal figure for a needy child, and it seems she exploited that. The queen was caught in the middle among the very strong personalities of her mother and her sister, and in some respects I don’t think she was able to completely come into herself as Queen until Mummy was gone. QM Was a complex character, but she was indispensable to her husband, and Britain as we know it might not have survived without her influence on him.

[@HistoryRoadshow]

It certainly leaves a sour taste in the mouth! Thanks D'Ann 😊

[@carolsmart238]

Amen, D’Ann! I’m a 75 yr old great-grandmother, here in the US. in Virginia. I adored Diana. She was so young & naive, & had developed a crush on Charles when she was 14. He was a dork I never would have dated. She was led like a lamb to slaughter. Once she had the 2 sons, Charles had no need for her. She was so alone w no one to talk to or help her. I understood her needing to feel valued & being shown affection as she became her own woman. I think she really cared for the young man that was killed in a car “accident”. I loved the Queen Mum’s fashion sense, but didn’t like hearing how she never liked Prince Philip & treated him badly.I only discovered last year that she allowed Charles & his “Cowmilla” meet at her house whenever they wanted. She bad-mouthed Simpson for carrying on & living w her brother-in-law, the King for being so immoral. But, what kind of grandmother provides her house as she did for Charles? Everything she did was to enhance her in some way.I was so glad at how Queen Elizabeth has turned out to be a wonderful Queen, but she has given her seal for Charles’ horse-face to be Queen. I don’t know how it will all end, but someone kept Diana in that ambulance, just setting there at the scene for an hour & a half, certain death! Victims everywhere, are rushed to the hospital ASAP! The whole thing was no accident.I hate seeing Diana’s grandchildren with Charles & his wife. I totally I’ve William & Catherine & their children & pray God will bless & protect them🙏🏼😇💕

[@marywenzel3199]

@@carolsmart238 FYI to your comment about Diana’s treatment en scene: it is standard practice in France for ALL victims of road accident to be stabilized in the field before transport. French ambulances are actually state of the art mobile hospital units, With more sophisticated monitoring equipment than are available an American ambulances. Diana’s injuries were such that it’s debatable whether she could’ve been saved had she arrived at the hospital earlier. We may with some justification criticize the French practice, but we need to be clear that all patients are treated the same, and she was not held at the scene due to some assassination conspiracy because she was the Princess of Wales.

[@jenniferholden9397]

I looked after an old lady who as a young girl was a tweenie at Glamis Castle. She told many a tale out of school, it would make your hair curl. When they say only the good die young, says it all.

[@wildblueyonder7323]

Maybe you would be kind and share with us 😃

[@michaelmurratti4687]

For Sure! God doesn't want them! Not that they would end up in Heaven anyway!

[@suejane1188]

@@wildblueyonder7323 Read Lady Colin Campbell's book on the Queen Mother.

[@jenniferholden9397]

@@wildblueyonder7323 Well to use the vernacular 1. Trollope 2. Troublemaker 3. Any female who went to work there, would be sacked post haste if she was even remotely attractive (didn’t like competition) 5,

[@mx-5miata658]

Glamis is haunted. Many will attest to that.

[@suzannebouse8747]

My gran said that during the Blitz of London she was inspecting the damage caused by the bombing She turned her nose up at having to be there walking about in the rubble and dust she cared nothing for the poor people who had lost everything and was more concerned about her fur coat My gran didn’t think much of her

[@margaretgreen1576]

BEAUTIFUL 🌹 true comment 🌹 🥂 IT'S. OK HERE'S A TOAST TO YOUR GRANDMOTHER. 🌹AMEN🌹

[@Blonde_Somnambulist]

Yes true, and the narrative about them staying in London during the blitz so they can support the commoners was false . There were plans to ship the family out of the country should an invasion become imminent . She was apparently by all accounts a profligate, financially irresponsible woman who indulged herself constantly. She even said admitted that the public persona was very much at odds with her true character. She was not the most agreeable person according to those who knew her .

[@Brenda-ny1gw]

I think all the royals are like that, but they fake it while the Queen Mother wouldn't bother

[@lordeden2732]

My late father was Kings orderly officer and he hated her. She was a vicious nasty lady who was constantly making trouble for her staff. Nothing like the image she presented to the general public. If anybody caused her husband the nervous wreck he was it was her behaviour. She made his life hell behind the scenes. The rumour going about place was the marriage was arranged and not one from love.

[@johndevitt6412]

Get a job boy man

[@starryknight776]

I believe you

[@ottonieoswald9184]

I am not surprised!!!

[@wardenblack9734]

Rumours ??? I don’ t believe any of this!

[@ottonieoswald9184]

@@wardenblack9734 Lord Eden would not say those things for nothing!!!

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

The Queen Mother may have been a perennial favourite with the public, but there was one person who absolutely adored Elizabeth Bowes Lyon: Elizabeth Bowes Lyon...

[@vikihalikia4650]

Media makes saints and myths of people. Like Mother Teresa, the Queen mum was one of those persons, way far from the true reality. Unfortunately, it's what the media serves the naive people who deslretly want to believe in someone....

[@gailwaters814]

Her low view of African management seems to be correct. African governments have certainly proved her to be spot on. Especially the buffoons in South Africa.

[@donnawaldron3261]

LOL

[@saoirsehaslonglegs2313]

😆🤣👍 excellent remark,very apt

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

@@saoirsehaslonglegs2313 - 🙂

[@whoswhoatthezoo9372]

Even she herself said that she was ‘nowhere near as nice as people thought she was’. Diana loathed her, and off the record commented that she had really bad breath. Every time I saw the Queen Mother on tv after I heard the comment about her breath, I couldn’t help staring at her teeth and noticing how bad they were and wondering why someone as wealthy as the Queen Mum, didn’t just go and get the very best and most natural looking set of dentures that money could buy. I never understood why ladies with little brown rotting stumps for teeth would bother with lipstick 💄.

[@73egg]

Well said!!

[@terrybuckalew6874]

haha

[@gailcurl8663]

These Ultra Spoiled Brats Can't Fatham That Anything Could Be Wrong With Them. They View Themselves as "Perfect" in Every Way. Rotting Brown-Yellow Teeth, Bushy Thick Eyebrows and All.

[@kellymita6572]

To true, had a bit of a giggle about the rotten stumps..

[@champagne1231]

The millions she spaffed on the high life I always bemused as to why she never spent any of it on those disgusting teeth…always reminded me of a row of broken Guinness bottles ,no wonder her breath stank 🙄

[@Anita-rq9ev]

Thank you. Very well presented Jon. She definately had a long and interesting life. Take care 👋

[@HistoryRoadshow]

Much appreciated Anita, thanks as always 😊

[@christahopkinson9721]

She certainly was all of those things. I have read her life story. And I was shocked to discover how vile she was.

[@JessieB_]

Shes a "Bowes-Lynn" this name is also in Meghan Markle family line... the Bowes and Lynn joied together because of castles, land and money, lots of it. If you check it out you'd be surprised at what you find! Have fun.

[@christahopkinson9721]

@@JessieB_ She was Bowes Lyon. Her family were not royal but they were landed gentry, or one might say Aristocrats. But she was not of Royal blood and therefore became Queen Consort as opposed to Queen Regent. Just as Queen Camilla is and The Princess of Wales will be in years to come. Xx

[@janetpendlebury6808]

@@christahopkinson9721 Queen Regent is a title bestowed upon a woman who inherits the British crown by right of birth. Anyone who marries a King is a Queen Consort.

[@morganwilson8717]

I'm shocked right now 😂😂😅 I really thought she was an angel 😂

[@falconeshield]

@@morganwilson8717 Didn't you hear the poem story? She was there for the UK when the palace got bombed I won't take that away from here. But the poem story is shocking.

[@Vortigan07]

Based on a large consensus of things that I've read, I don't think she liked *anyone* all that much! As another comment below points out, even in her role as Grandmother and Great-Grandmother, it was only really the immediate heirs that she had any affection for...and isn't just possible that Margaret's rebellious spirit was at least in part a backlash to a cold mother? I shouldn't wonder if she was also, in private, a domineering cloud over Bertie's head too for a lot of the time! One thing I read very recently, in the wake of Queen Elizabeth II's passing was that Phillip would now be cursing in his coffin, forced to spend eternity lying across a darkened room from her! So yes, I think she's generally known by anyone who's cared to scratch a little beneath the surface to have been a pretty unpleasant character.

[@gillianbergh7002]

There are someone who believe Prince Philip is God. Their religion is as valid as any other. How galling for his mil if it's true!

[@janjan-dd4wv]

She is possibly to blame for Charles being spoilt. I got the impression her other grandchildren had less attention. I think Charles married Camila because she reminds him of the QM. So much for the Oedipus and Electra theory

[@di7209]

And it was her that arranged Charles and Diana‘s marriage alongside Diana’s own grandmother, with her also helping Charles conduct his affair with Camilla by letting them stay at her estate. I think it’s quite funny that the one marriage she planned for ended up nearly toppling the royal family and is a huge part of why many people dislike them today. The whole system is just messed up a bunch of entitled people enabling each other

[@angelbabysqueaky3985]

I never realized how bad and evil, she could be. I think that she was a little jealous of Margaret, because she was her Father's heart. Guess that it was better not to know ,how she really was

[@johnpickford4222]

Vortigan07: Perhaps if you have an itch don’t scratch it. Unless of course it’s from crabs!

[@bobisu3111]

I didn't think the Queen Mother was ever thought of as lovely.

[@AlphonsodeBarbo]

She was wonderful!

[@malakai651]

I remember a documentary on Charles and Diana, the queen mother was very much into horse racing and as grandmother to Charles she sat one afternoon with Diana's grandmother over tea and they discussed the family tree how Diana's line went back to royalty. It was a bit like picking a stud for a mare and deciding if the pedigree was right, so despite what eventually happened between Charles and Diana I was never surprised by the outcome.

[@elizabethhopkins7582]

Diana's Grandmother was on of The QM's Ladies in Waiting

[@tessdurberville711]

Illegitimate "royalty" descended from Charles II.

[@nancymoore1240]

​@@elizabethhopkins7582 Lady Fermoy, I believe.

[@elizabethhopkins7582]

@@tessdurberville711 Correct. Diana was descended from Charles II and his brother James "on the wrong side of the bed".

[@elizabethhopkins7582]

@@nancymoore1240 Yep. Ruth, Lady Fermoy sold her Granddaughter down the river in order to get a King in the family. She was a nasty piece of work who testified against her own daughter in her divorce from Diana's Father causing her to lose custody of her children and destroying Diana and Charles Spencer's childhoods in ways that still reverberate today.

[@sharonlefebvre7292]

She was a hard woman that didn't have a forgiving bone in her body!

[@elizabethcanning275]

Yes I think the same...

[@sugarkane4830]

Oh did you know her then ?

[@shirleyminassian1547]

Yes

[@fraponglais7796]

forgiving who?david?

[@petekdemircioglu]

Maybe Because forgiveness kills in her position?

[@samwright8599]

My dad hated the royals and the older I get the more some of them sicken me. Andrew being the worst, not just for this last thing but the privilege and blatant hateful behaviour toward staff.

[@wa1ufo]

Agreed. As an American I detest the entire concept of royalty. Too much interbreeding hence the serious genetic issues.

[@samwright8599]

@@wa1ufo yes! 100 % yes. Goes all the way back.

[@TimLondonGuitarist]

Also he's bonkers, did you hear about his teddy bear stack ? servants must re-assemble it perfectly every day when they make his bed !

[@fatimak1382]

William gets driven to have a look at the homeless then back in the heated Limo and driven back to his one of many large warm well staffed Homes, they do not care at all,

[@TimLondonGuitarist]

​@@fatimak1382 What should he do ? give all his property to charity, or maybe open up the palaces to the homeless ?

[@denisek292]

Had always heard rumors, even as an American, that she was not what the media portrayed her to be; nice, kind, friendly, or even frugal. It’s ironic she held the beliefs of King Edward VIII, yet condemned he and his wife. Her attitude towards her two nieces is heartbreaking. Their only crime is they were born “less than perfect.”

[@Kittygirl88851]

The Queen was intimidated by her mother in the early years but came into her own as she got older thankfully.

[@susi-emily]

The Bowes-Lyons were far from the only family to put children with severe learning difficulties into asylums. Even today, most are in homes run for profit by private companies. What's the difference?

[@Historian212]

@@susi-emily The difference is that the Queen Mother was hypocritical about it.

[@daval5563]

Less than perfect? Don't you mean inbred?

[@judysimeon1708]

Which 2 nieces do you refer to please

[@MrHeesbeen]

I once heard a tale that when in Harrods, she took a dislike (for no obvious reason), to one of the assistants. She insisted that the manager sack her on the spot, which he did.

[@sandraray8523]

No one should have that much power. We should all be equal. I learned something new.

[@annamack5823]

@@sandraray8523 She shouldn't have had that power but there is no such thing as equality in nature. How utterly naive to imagine that there is 🤔🤔

[@sandraray8523]

@@annamack5823 I will always fight for equal rights and I’m not naive. I’ve been outspoken and fighting for equal rights since I was 18. Yes, I’m well aware there are those who will always think they are better than others. Your patronizing attitude tells me a lot about you.

[@dawnfinch8232]

That's terrible nasty piece of work

[@annamack5823]

@@sandraray8523 Your ridiculous tub-thumping sys a lot about you, too 😉

[@susansmiles2242]

I believe that early on in the Queen and Prince Philip’s marriage that to get rid of her from Buckingham palace Philip had the heating turned off which forced her to move out

[@sharonkincaid-wininger6766]

I never heard that but it's quite amusing, if true.....

[@sharonkincaid-wininger6766]

😂

[@HistoryRoadshow]

Timestamps! 0:00 Intro 1:13 Early Years 2:52 Bertie Beckons 4:33 Wedding 6:23 Year of three kings 9:13 World War 11:02 Queen Mum 12:49 The Princesses 15:00 Bad Call 18:04 Remembering Thank you for watching my latest video 🙏🏻 Did you miss this? Maria, the Mad Queen of Portugal kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnfdYWR-qNpmoZY Enjoy your week, and see you again soon! Jon 🤴🏻

[@JustMe-vi8nx]

Can I ask a question? What is the music that is playing between 1:25 and 3:00 minutes?

[@WildxFlower]

Maria the Pious of Portugal was a real Queen and very much loved. Maria and the Queen mother are like a balm to arsenic. Thank you for the documentary.

[@gailwaters814]

Her low view of African management seems to be correct. African governments have certainly proved her to be spot on. Especially the buffoons in South Africa.

[@savinaking8637]

She refused him because she wanted the brother. She loved the privelidge of being royal so much that she favoured Charles and when Prince Harry was little, openly treated William completely differently. Her daughter Margaret knew her mother was jealous of her because she was born royal. Her father was quite prepared to let her marry her love, but his early death allowed mommy dearest to get her claws into the relationship and stir up problems.

[@gothicyid]

Her love was an adulterer who was still married with kids when he cheated with the princess.

[@mtlicq]

??????????????????????????? This video was about Elizabeth Bowles Lyon

[@Mcfreddo]

@@gothicyid Doesn't the problem truly lie with the religious dogma enforced anytime, anywhere? Charles would have had an open relationship with Camila and never wound have married Diana if divorce wasn't a problem. One leads or lends itself to the other. No one cares if someone's been divorced for how long?

[@gothicyid]

@@Mcfreddo that makes no sense she didn't want to divorce her husband she was happy with him.

[@Mcfreddo]

@@gothicyid She was a divorcee when Charles was enthralled by her. Charles couldn't marry her.

[@marionbayley1351]

The Queen’s whole demeanour changed once her mother died - she is now much more relaxed and out-going!

[@acommentator4452]

and much better hats ! courtesy of angela kelly, whom the queen promoted from dresser to designer/costume manager/personal assistant/trusted companion.

[@suejane1188]

For sure. Her mother was on the phone to her EVERY day telling her what to do.

[@zzzbbbooo]

Absolutely, even her clothing choices changed quite dramatically - for the better. Elizabeth at least once said "we mustn't ever do anything to upset Mummy".

[@Kittygirl88851]

Yes she was also the driving force behind the Charles snd Diana Union. My mum said she was an old bag and the Queen was under her thumb for years.

[@derin111]

Gone a bit stiff again now though.

[@ganrimmonim]

I met her once, at a formal event, I was about 4 and 3/4. I ran straight into her at top speed and then began to exercistedly tell her about a frog I'd just seen. She was very nice about it.

[@monkeytennis8861]

That definitely happened

[@Longtack55]

Did she say that she hated Froggies?

[@saoirsehaslonglegs2313]

@@Longtack55 lol

[@KingJackson11355]

Wow what year was that in?

[@gillianbergh7002]

@@Longtack55 Or ask if the Frog wore a beret and carry a string of garlic? Ha ha!

[@zzzbbbooo]

Let's just say that Elizabeth, the Queen Mother (aka "Cookie") got away with a great deal more, virtually in every aspect of her life, than she would today.

[@lenwilkinson672]

Renee Bloggs. We’re you staff,or a member of Backstairs Billy clique?

[@RubyRuby878]

One serious breach from the Queen Mother, was getting her snout in politics. Royalty was not permitted to show any favoritism for any candidate. And then she was shown waving at a crowd with Neville Chamberlain just before the UK elections.

[@zzzbbbooo]

@@lenwilkinson672 Neither, have just formed my opinions from reading many books by well regarded authors and historians.

[@melianna999]

YYYaaa. Markle would not enter the castle if QM was alive.hehe

[@elisabethpitt6103]

Elizabeth the Queen mother was gutted when the King died. The reason she didn't like Phillip was because she thought that he had "undue control" over our Queen. She had to be almost thrown out Buckingham Palace.. She thought she was still able to "rule" through her daughter. Insisted on doing a state visit TO USA. I think Phillip really got annoyed with her because she did her best to keep him "in the dark" as regards the Palace ritual. She said it had to stay as it was when she was Queen. That's when she was hustled off to Clarence House. 7

[@lapislazuli7876]

Prince Philip was too strong for her and he won. The Queen mother was hustled off quick smart to live out her days drunk and fat and having useless parties at Clarence House with all her theatrical friends. Many of these so called “royal” characters we are paying for are morally corrupt, slothful and quite evil. They should be removed and a republic declared. It is unconscionable to have these types of immoral rulers running our governments and making important decisions. As symbolic as the royal family is, it still rules over millions of the world’s citizens. It’s time to take out the trash.

[@elisabethpitt6103]

@@lapislazuli7876 you are wrong. You should look back through history and read why we pay the Monarch. It's very enlightening. Like MANY of my fellow country men, I am a Royalist.

[@elisabethpitt6103]

Can I just add. Our Queen doesn't "Rule over us" that's what parliament is for. You are disgusting in your choice of words. I would suggest you find a history book and do some serious reading

[@paulwild3676]

She didn’t like Germans, that is why she disliked Philip. She was a close friend of Bomber Harris and urged him to destroy Germany at the end of the war. She unveiled his statue.

[@sheilasullivan1950]

Why did the thought that Philip was german enter the tjought line? Was he not born in Greece and his family got murdered in Russia?

[@ClassicMoments-bg1bb]

Thank you for this excellant video. There’s another video that presents the Archbishop of Canterbury’s role in the abdication of Edward and Mrs Simpson. The story is that the QM worked closely with the Archbishop to ensure the transfer of the crown from Edward to Bertie. She was also known as a boozer like her daughter Margaret. She was very spoiled throughout her life.

[@leonardocoded]

Edward was friends with Hitler and passed on state secrets. There's a lot of evidence including photos and documentation. So we had a lucky escape when he abdicated.

[@christineduffy3113]

So was her drunk daughter and nasty Great Grandson all passed down through their genes

[@srccde]

@@christineduffy3113 Such behavior is not genetic. They were _raised_ into this behavior.

[@christineduffy3113]

@@srccde Oh not true genetics play a big part in a person's DNA marrying cousins as was rife in Queen Victoria's day played a big part in funnily enough in this day and age cousins are not encouraged to marry but hey you obviously know best

[@srccde]

@@christineduffy3113 "Genetics play a big role in a person's DNA". I'm not sure _why_ but judging from that sentence, you really don't have any idea what you're talking about. I assume that's genetic, too ;)

[@jobes4525]

My Mum as a child said, when she met her, that she was a condescending old woman.

[@cb4883]

She was a alcoholic like her daughter princess Margaret

[@KingJackson11355]

Why did she say that?

[@cb4883]

@@KingJackson11355 no I did

[@keepitsimple4629]

I've read that Elizabeth wanted David, but he spurned her. He preferred slender sexy women, not thickset ones with uni-brow and bad teeth. She only married Bertie because David didn't want her, and Bertie kept proposing. She vowed her revenge on him and Wallis, and certainly got it when David abdicated. I don't know why people venerate her, or what was all the good she accomplished. She seems self-centered and prejudiced.

[@HistoryRoadshow]

Her glory came throughout the years of war, it seems that after the death of her husband her mindset changed. Thanks😊

[@keepitsimple4629]

@@marie34K I don't know about the fetish, but she did want out. Love letters from her to her 2nd husband Ernest express her love for him, not David. She never loved him, and it's said she was real disrespectful to him in front of others.

[@keepitsimple4629]

@@marie34K What's interesting also is that it's said nobody thought Bertie would ever be king, but that can't be true. The whole royal family knew David was unsuitable to be king. His father said he would ruin himself within a year, and he did. It actually only took him 11 months to abdicate. So they really knew Bertie would probably be king. Elizabeth Lyons knew it too.

[@keepitsimple4629]

@@marie34K No, I think you're right. He had good points, he had the common touch with people. Whereas he did have Nazi sympathies (he was German, after all). What's done is done.

[@trudypegg437]

@@HistoryRoadshow she and Churchill saw through. The war hitler though she was the most dangerous women in Europe! About her teeth the were far from ‘ bad ‘. Of course they were black they were almost 1 hundred years old not porcelain covered stumps, or implants !

[@wlove3838]

She LOVED wearing and showing off her furs and priceless jewellery wherever she went

[@calexismccarrington2175]

Well, when you have a face like a smacked arse, and teeth like coal you need something to distract from the horror.

[@charliekezza]

At the time the cousins were put away it was a seen as a mark on the family. It was the thing to do as people didn't know how to help these kids. Nobody would talk about them after. It was sad it happened to my great great uncle, his brother my great grandfather had a little girl (aunty Et) with down syndrome he would not put her away even when his wife died and he couldn't care for her he got a cousin to care for her till he remarried and could care for her again. When I was little nan would take me to see step great grandmother and great Aunty Et. Great Aunty Et and I would leave the "oldies" and go play. Miss her smiling face and laugh. ❤❤❤ P.s. sorry memory lane there

[@susankerr9521]

I've known women like her. Notice that the smile never reaches the eyes.

[@proudcynophile1901]

Cold and soulless like a reptile!

[@franklinstephen3268]

Hello how are you doing?

[@andrewberrocal2281]

One encounter with the QM and you understand why King George VI smoked so much

[@jorgevillavicencio427]

From a foreigner's perspective I was always fascinated by the British monarchy. I could never explain why. Being Cuban I should have been more interested in Spain's royals but it was not the case. I remember as a child seeing Queen Elizabeth ll in a magazine bestowing knighthood on someone. Ever since I was, for lack of a better word, hooked on England. I have an uncanny ability to see a person's soul even through celluloid or photographs and I always felt a certain uneasiness about the Queen Mother. There was something offputting about her, a feeling I never had with her daughters, both of them. This documentary corroborated my suspicions. Thank you for the very well crafted work. By the way, you have a great gift for narration, a beautiful voice. Cheers!

[@lindalue4504]

Princess Margaret was exactly like her mother a snob and nasty she didn’t marry Townsend because she didn’t want to give her lifestyle up that’s how much she loved him , and if the Queen Mother was still here Charles would not been able to marry Camilla she wasn’t good enough for them .

[@celissewillis9399]

I'm the same; I can look at someone's photo & feel their truth & even if I can't explain what that is right off the bat, that off feeling eventually gets proven!

[@jorgevillavicencio427]

@@celissewillis9399 I think we were bestowed a rare ability. Sometimes it takes even years but sooner, or later, we're proven right on our perception. I always say that the old adage of "don't judge a book by its cover" doesn't apply to me.

[@celissewillis9399]

@@jorgevillavicencio427 oh yea, for sure! It usually takes about 2 years for it to start to play out... at least in my experience. It's been less than that, but within 2 years tends to be the average breaking point where some sort of significant truth comes out about the off vibe that I'm feeling from someone's photos. For example, I had gotten this with a preacher & his wife, & within about a year of coming across their photos, it came out about how the wife was his former best friends' wife whom he started sleeping with WHILE they were all friends. The wife & her ex-husband used to play the music at preacher dudes' church, & they hung out all the time, he called them his besties... so much more has come out since then about them & it makes it really disturbing that they claim to be a man & woman of God "doing God's work"... yet for those of us who are energy-sensitive, you can't hide ANYTHING from us, lol... I say all the time, you can't hide ANYTHING from me, because I'm going to find out... & yes, even if it takes years.

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

​@@jorgevillavicencio427Yes, I can do the same thing. It's not only about their looks but also their energy and aura around them.

[@thestitchwitch680]

I read, years ago, that she encouraged Charles to continue his relationship with Camilla, once he was married to Diana.

[@jacquelinepeters3575]

Probably,her darling Charles could do no wrong .

[@normasouthwood3182]

If she did, it was with good reason.

[@johnscrimgeour4888]

Her hypocrisy over Mrs Wallace and Camilla is typical of Royal inbreeding, Diana provided the Hier, it's not proven it was by AI. An out and out racist just like the rest of the lizard tribe. No loss to society.

[@SymphonyBrahms]

@@normasouthwood3182 There could be no good reason for that. It was cruelty and jealousy.

[@JimMac23]

She let Charles use her country house to have the affair with CowMilla while he was still married to Diana.