What Happened to the Old Irish Flag?

[@shcomptech]

The harp is a symbol from Irish mythology, it's associated with the god The Dagda, he played the harp to make the seasons change.

[@chwah7504]

Was it not Brian Ború?

[@peterhoulihan9766]

@@chwah7504 There is a physical harp named after Brian Ború but it's unlikely he had anything to do with it. An Daghda is very much associated with harps and they feature frequently in stories about him. However, as covered above, they're unlikely to resemble anything like the instrument we'd call a harp today, probably more like a strummed lyre.

[@peterhoulihan9766]

@@chwah7504 This is a saxon instrument, but the Irish and British cláirsigh were likely similar. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5KtipaipbOqi6c

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

@@peterhoulihan9766 The harp could very well have been adopted because of its christain symbolizism , it's referred to as king David's harp in the 13th century coat of arms.

[@XPK15]

@@thenextshenanigantownandth4393, didn't he play the lyre? They're very different musical instruments.

[@Kevc00]

Hilbert on behalf of the Irish people mad respect, no one does this kind of content of Irish history on KZbin except for you, so thank you for sharing Irish history!

[@Dreyno]

Extra Credits did a good series on the famine. Quite detailed and accurate.

[@internetual7350]

@@Dreyno The "famine"

[@Kevc00]

@Mexican Bob I respect him for putting out this kind of content about Irish history.... I mean a two year old could have figured that out

[@joekavanagh8997]

Yes ,this guy did his homework well.Well narrated and we'll presented with relevant information.

[@barrymcguire5048]

@@internetual7350 mass murder by starvation 🇮🇪💚🇮🇪

[@darkjannn]

10:40 Sees the word 'orange' on screen in one of Hilbert's videos: immediately prepares to lower volume as soon as the inevitable Wilhelmus starts blowing my speakers out. Spoiler alert: doesn't happen! Who are you and what have you done with Hilbert?

[@floridaman3823]

darkjann speaks for The Legion!

[@conorkelly947]

He's a tactful man, what us a joke is other videos wouldn't hit the some here

[@seanmccall7277]

I asked an Irish guy what the colors in the Irish flag meant. He said " the green is for the Catholics , the orange is for the protestants and the white represents the gulf of mutual incomprehension ".

[@rossnorval862]

That's what I was told too

[@marcosross790]

Amazing how cultures differ, yea even under one roof. I was told the same for green and orange, but for the white. Was the piece between them. I often thought it should be red, for the blood each took from the other.

[@johngorniak6900]

The Tri colour was brought into existence by the exiled Irish in France , hence called the tri colour . The original design was to have hands shaking across the white , but the two colours were there to represent the Catholics and Protestants .

[@larrymolloy5935]

​@johngorniak6900 the first Irish tricolour was made on French silk and featured the red hand of ulster at centre. It was made by women of the Grand Orient Lodge Paris and presented to and flown by Thomas Francis meagher leader of the young irelanders revoluționary republican group at 33 the Mall Waterford on St Patrick's Day 1848 headquarters of a group called The Wolfe Țone Society.

[@larrymolloy5935]

@Eileen Delaney Paris is where freemasonry is run from, yes. The Queen is world leader through her title Sovereign of the garter, The Order of the garter being the world leading freemasonic lodge.

[@sevatarlives185]

The cláirseach-on-blue flag is still the official flag of the President of Ireland, and the green version still used for the Eastern province of Leinster. I know, I know, minor details.

[@talideon]

Eastern province, you mean.

[@sevatarlives185]

@@talideon MINOR DETAILS I SAID 🤫. Nah, thx. I could blame autocorrect, or looking at my map upside-down, but really I just wasn't as attentive as I should have been.

[@cunobelinusX31]

Strangely enough the colour of St Patrick is blue, not green, this can be seen on the British royal coat of arms. (feck them). Oh he just said this in the documentary, I was jumping the gun. But I'd look stupid wearing blue on Paddies day

[@Zappy9518]

Always thought the flag had a blue background not green.

[@stalfithrildi5366]

Is this connected to blue being a more common heraldric colour than green? Anything green being translated into blue when recorded, possibly?

[@stirfrywok2927]

As an Irish man I have to say your knowledge of our complex history is very impressive; as is your sensitive delivery of a topic that is almost impossible to discuss rationally on the internet. Great stuff!

[@jamesbradshaw3389]

I refuse to disagree with you

[@IrishDemon]

gotta love some Irish history before bed (Irish Guy in Australia) Éire Abú. Thanks for this

[@FilAnd01]

Goodnight, sleep tight 😴

[@pissmaster825]

Same here! Which county? I was conceived in Edinburgh although I was born in Co. Westmeath near Althlone

[@talideon]

Thanks for doing such a good job on the pronunciations! People often mangle Irish terms horribly, so getting it right deserves kudos.

[@jrt818]

Yes, how many Irish-Americans have gone to Ireland only to discover they mispronounce their last names.

[@cristianfuentes2597]

How many

[@noodlyappendage6729]

Americans even mispronounce English words. Oh well. English speakers mispronounce almost every French word we say.

[@derry86]

V impressed by the pronunciations!

[@annick4846]

Even the Dutch names where pronounced perfectly!

[@daddyleon]

1:40 a woman with wings ... isn't that a bit of a harpy?

[@swinhelm389]

Nice one

[@joekavanagh8997]

Good observation and well said.!Cheers my girl!

[@Calidore1]

Plaudits for that one!

[@golgotha3938]

Probably connected to fallen angels. Before christianity a lot of pagan religions are very similar to nephilim/demon worship. China worship the dragon , ancient greece fallen angels etc.

[@ahopefor]

As a Irishman, I'm pretty proud of you doing a video on us, good job BTW.

[@soloinsoho]

I heard Dutch and prepared for the anthem, but nothing... Hilbert are u ok?

[@chickeninyeezes3759]

69

[@misterbacon4933]

😂

[@AshArAis]

Big kudos for researching pronunciations properly - even Tom Scott got the pronunciation of harp wrong (and got the Scots version not Irish!) Thomas Francis Meagher raised the flag on the Mall in Waterford, and I know the guy each year who reenacts him - he grows the moustache each time! Where I am we'd pronounce his surname as one syllable, like Johnny Marr, we'd just stretch out the vowel slightly. GRMA Hilbert Worth noting the blue used is St Patrick's blue, and is the official colour of Ireland used (if you look at the President's seal). Green became intertwined later on for all the reasons in the video, especially as blue features on the British flag it could be distinct that we became independent.

[@aim-alternativeirishmedia4861]

Danté describes the Irish use of the harp in the 13th century. He describes the harp of Erin flag in detail. The harp is called the Anúna (An Uaithne) in ancient Gaelic mythology, and is attributed to Daghdha, the Irish father god, and Angus Óg, his son, the Irish god of love and poetry.

[@MrSchizoid405]

Interesting do you have any links?

[@castairl9815]

The harp is the province flag of Leinster

[@Joshuawalsh24Walsh]

👍

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Irish history is far more complicated than almost all Brits know and quite a lot more than most Irish too.

[@mcfcfan1870]

Very true. Especially ancient Ireland and the Brehon Laws itself. Tbf tho I did cringed every time he mentioned Ireland as Scotland in this video as that part had been very mixeded up, which could've been avoided. Also he said France tried to invade ireland in the 1640s which I'm very confused on where he got that from

[@therakemaster3936]

Yes

[@philipstokes865]

@@mcfcfan1870 I'm confused that you're confused

[@rubybrady7051]

With to much drink life get difficult to understand.

[@vestty5802]

@@mcfcfan1870 he never said France invaded he said that Owen roes Irish regiment fought against the French in the Spanish Netherlands

[@12345678900987659101]

Finnegan my son, you are free now. You can pick a flag for your nation. Will you pick the Harp on green or a generic tricolor?

[@b-beale1931]

how about the harp over st. Patrick's blue?

[@philly_cheese_dog1530]

Read this in the Leprechaun accent

[@danielcarthy9250]

Our tricolour actually has alot of meaning behind it and it's easy to recreate which is important for a flag

[@TheHorseOutside]

@@danielcarthy9250 that is the point behind literally every tricolour

[@danielcarthy9250]

@@TheHorseOutside not every tricolour has the same of meaning. If that's not what ur talking about I have no idea what ur on about then

[@stiofanobriain7934]

Go raibh maith agat. Físeán iontach agus bhí an Ghaeilge go maith agat. Maith thú! ☘️

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

How to summon the Irish:

[@kierandoodykd]

We here bro 🤣

[@padraigpearse1551]

Oh we definitely here now

[@johnnythegreat6568]

Free bar

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

Were they not invited?

[@bigjuicypotato1482]

@@padraigpearse1551 I thought you were dead?

[@tadhgmurphy8859]

Love this, it's great to see an interest in Irish history

[@teaguebrennan2428]

Traditional celtic style harp on blue or green background Beautiful, design Replace that boring trickler

[@niallmcdonagh1093]

I totally agree. We aren't India or the Ivory Coast!!!

[@IamMrLebanon]

I personally have no direct connection to Ireland but I do have a particularly developed interest in the fascinating history and culture of Ireland and the British Isles. Thank you for the very informative video!

[@BelcarrigFarm]

Thanks I like canada too You should have chosen the flag with the blue sides though

[@CHIBBZ-54]

Ireland is NOT a British Isle...The British stamped that on the Map to try to let the World believe we were all British. We are Irish, not British.

[@ErikHare]

I love how you preserve the unique length to width ratio of the flag. The origins of that would be interesting as well.

[@mowvu]

yeh man i agree, i enjoy the structural integrity those random shaped flags like switzerland and nepal being maintained. i have a feeling Hilbert's editing software is probably the reason lol.

[@paranoidrodent]

How is a 1:2 ratio particularly remarkable? The UK and many Commonwealth nations use that ratio (the Free State was a Dominion just like Canada or Australia). It is a bit longer than the 2:3 commonly associated with vertical tricolour flags but it makes complete sense as the typical ratio used around Ireland when the flag evolved. Still, those are the two most commonly used flag ratios with 3:5 probably being a distant third. The 10:19 ratio of the US and former US colonial possessions is probably fourth and then it gets obscure.

[@zanussidish8144]

@@paranoidrodent You've now got me interested in looking at flag ratios.

[@__Andrew_]

2023: Saint Patrick's Day: An Englishman living in Friesland Who despite living in Northern Ireland for several years had no idea of the Irish tricolour symbolising peaceful coexistence, now learning this by stumbling across Hilbert again - Himself with Friesland and English background if I remember rightly from his other videos. Thank you!

[@thedarquibus]

I disagree with a few things in this video, for example blue is still today and always has been the national colour for Ireland, since the days of the old Irish kingdoms. Also I have done alot of music here in Ireland and have friends who are harpists, your history of the Harp is a new one to me and them. But good video.

[@mcfcfan1870]

(Copied and pasted this from my comment) 2:00 THATS BECAUSE "SCOTTISH GAELIC" IS AN *OFFSHOOT* OF IRISH GAELIC. He went down a bit of a rabbithole there. The Scottish got their Gaelic language, culture etc etc from IRELAND. (Via the IRISH dál riata clan)

[@ethanramos4441]

There was also another flag that he forgot which he didn’t show on the video

[@gachrudgaelach]

Yes I think your correct!! The blue goes back to original roots, long before Henry V111

[@ethanramos4441]

I would like to point that There actually another flag that they use however it was only Used in the Easter Rising. This was the Irish Republic Flag which like the harp flag has a green background but what make it different than the other two flags this one was emblazoned with the words Irish Republic in gold and white.

[@ecurewitz]

Damn you Cote D'Ivoire, ripping off the irish flag like that. Shame on you!

[@el_iron_duke]

_Us Indians who just tilted it 90 degrees and put a wheel at the centre_

[@Rasher1974]

@@el_iron_duke The Indian Flag is based on the Irish Tri colour, in fact there was great co operation between DeValera and the newly formed Indian independent government, as an aside there is a Boulevard in Delhi named after DeValera as a tribute to him for the advice he gave India during their fight for independence.

[@krombopulos_michael]

@@Rasher1974 I can't find anything to substantiate the claim that India's flag is based on the Irish flag. Its based on an original design that had red to represt the Hindu community, Green to represent the Muslim community, and white to represent other religious groups.

[@651kieran651]

@@krombopulos_michael there may have been inspiration as both countries were going for self rule from the British

[@joekavanagh8997]

Good observation and well said!

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

I drove my Saracen through your garden last night

[@brianmacc1934]

Ooo rrrr oooo rrrrr

[@jixuscrixus1967]

Did ye, aye?

[@danielpalma1426]

Those things used to terrorize coastal communities back in the seventh through 11th centuries....😆

[@thegrajee]

@@danielpalma1426 no it's a car.

[@paulgalligan1916]

Kim jongky boots 👢 👢

[@seandegidon4672]

@History With Hilbert, a couple of corrections/clarifications: 1) James & William: James II converted to Catholicism even before he ascended to the throne, and upon the latter declared religious tolerance without exception (the one declared after his overthrow excluded Catholics). William was a reluctant sectarian as well, offering religious toleration to Catholics in the Peace of Limerick, only to be vetoed by Parliament in London. The pope endorsed William because he was more worried about the Gallican Heresy (James was beholden to Louis XIV) than Protestant persecution. 2) The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1922 created an autonomous Irish Free State in the south. Independence would not be declared and recognized until 1948 (in a photo finish with India and Israel).

[@daithimcbuan5235]

Nice Ivory Coast flag at the beginning. The golden harp on a green background is still used as the flag & coat of arms of the province of Leinster (East). The golden harp on a blue background is used as the Presidential flag. Also the 'South' became the Irish Free State (Saorstát Éireann), not the Republic in 1922, but all of that shite would assumably need its own video, what with the Irish Civil War and all.

[@ryanfarrelly4647]

True the civil war needs a video of its own

[@Demps_]

bunch of rebels fighting rebels who would care about that

[@roudi9022]

I thought that the title "Lord of Ireland" was bestowed upon the English King himself, and the nobleman appointed as Administrator was called "Lord Lieutenant of Ireland"

[@ryanfarrelly4647]

Same

[@lazybones79]

That’s correct. Aras an Uachtaran was formerly the Lord Lieutenant’s House.

[@BelcarrigFarm]

@@lazybones79 weren't the also called the viceroy

[@gregboi183]

Jesus, like 5 of my favourite channels have all uploaded 20 minute videos in the last hour. This is a conspiracy against my free time

[@justbeyondthecornerproduct3540]

Thank you for actually taking the time to research proper Irish pronunciation

[@nallos2015homern.]

According to wikipedia The flag contains information The green is for Catholicism The white is unity The orange is for Protestant Ulster

[@thunderbird1921]

What does the French Tricolor stand for then?

[@Mark.A.Maggard]

Your pronunciation of Gaelic (et.al.)are a great part of your videos. It actually lead to my binging of your videos and subscription. I think 🤔 every video you make should include this excellent talent of yours. Perhaps a key phrase in the beginning and another to reward those watching the whole subject. Semper Fidelis, cousin.

[@NedNew]

Mark, a little known fact is that the common rabbit in Ireland has more than 3 times better hearing than the average person from Athy, County Kildare.

[@ferrjuan]

Talk about the St. Patrick’s Battalion during the Mexican-American War they also used the harp with the green field as a battle flag.

[@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379]

pagan shite in the flag? whoops

[@crystalpink6535]

@@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379 shut up lol

[@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379]

@@crystalpink6535 *squeze* he shite me

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

The harp is a fine flag, but I'm more partial to the sun brust flag myself. The harp as a instrument god knows how far back in human history that goes, but as a flag is solely Irish similar to how saltire didn't originate in Scotland but is considered scottish with blue and white. Also the united Irishmen didn't invent the green harp flag its origins go back to the confederates and Owen Roe O'Neill, it was a commonly used by the Irish long before the united Irishmen.

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

Also I read something interesting a while back about the term red coat having originated in ireland. Would be a interesting video idea.

[@MrSchizoid405]

And Owen Roe O'Neil never used the harp flag of Erin. He seems to have gotten that inaccurate information from Wikipedia, it was just a normal harp on a green background.

[@sports872]

A video on the sunburst flag and it's various versions and colours and it's origins and uses would be very interesting.

[@JT-uw5xi]

important note: the sinn féin of 1920ish IS NOT the same sinn féin as today

[@ethanramos4441]

You the original Sinn Féin not the new organized one of 1970

[@johnlauzon8156]

I'm American. My grandma was born in 1902 in Ireland. She immigrated here in 1929 and married a Canadian in 1931. She explained to me what it was to be Irish and our history. I miss her dearly.

[@MonsieurWeevil]

"our" history? Don't you mean their history?

[@johnlauzon8156]

@@MonsieurWeevil no

[@MonsieurWeevil]

@@johnlauzon8156 But you said you are American.

[@johnlauzon8156]

@@MonsieurWeevil yes

[@MonsieurWeevil]

@@johnlauzon8156 Then it’s not your history.

[@igotissues1386]

I love the harp flags, so much more original than tricolors. Fun fact 'cruit' is an early Irish word for a harp and the phrase "cruit cen chéis" means a harp without a plectrum (or maybe strings, no one is sure) and means something useless.

[@ethanramos4441]

You do realize that there was another flag unlike the other two

[@aaronuaconaill5688]

Pronunciation actually quite impressive.... quite a surprise! Nice job👌

[@phelimridley6727]

Great video. Excellent Irish language pronunciation. @8:50 the United Irish were not just simply another outfit of patriots. They were ideologically republican, secular and pluralist. Or at least the leadership was. Sectarianism was found amongst the rank-and-file. As stated in their name, they wanted to unite Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter (i.e. Presbyterian) into the common name of Irish. The flag seen at @1:14 is seen today as the flag of Hibernianism, a conservative Irish nationalism, popular in the Irish community in the US, and parts of rural Ireland. Displaying this flag is purposefully communicating an Ireland not republican, secular and pluralistic.

[@kgizzle92]

No matter how hard De Valera tried the father of the Irish Republic is Michael Collins!

[@keelanmurphy9941]

Collins was dead a decade and a half before a Republic was declared.

[@michaeld8280]

@@keelanmurphy9941 Seeing as he was the the first Chairman of the Provisional Government of the Irish Free State, The direct predecessor to the Republic of Ireland. I think its a pretty safe to say Collins was a pretty central fucking figure......... dead or not.

[@keelanmurphy9941]

@@michaeld8280 Yeah, a provisional interim government, to which he was not elected, and on which he served all of five minutes before the Civil War broke out. Central figure or not, "Father of the Republic" is not accurate. He was one brick in the construction of it, and only at the forefront for about two years. He was a charismatic figure, which is why he's a lot more favoured than, say, Griffith or Cosgrave. Same reason a figurehead like Pearse is idolised while the de facto leaders and planners, Clarke, Mac Diarmada and Plunkett, are left by the wayside. And, more importantly, he died young and handsome and untainted by a long and morally complicated political career that undoubtedly would have come after.

[@michaeld8280]

@@keelanmurphy9941 He was more than a brick. He was the man picked to lead Ireland during her first steps of independence. Did his assassination play a part in his legacy, of course. Just like any major political figure who is murdered. He was the commander in chief. If Washington died in the revolution would we dismiss him because he didn't get a chance to run for office??

[@KeranKeranos]

id argue Wolfe Tone

[@lostShadowLord]

thanks for taking the time to learn how to pronounce some for the terms used in this video, you sound more fluent than I do. the change of blue to Green is rather simple Irish Colour Blue: Royal Irish Colour Green: Rebel in 1916, the Irish tri-colour was the flag used by the Original Sinn Fein (ourselves), the British wrongly report that Sinn Fein had been one of the guide hands of the upraising- at one point a Group of IRB plant the Tri-colour on a building that have been abandoned during the fight, and a British Gunboat started to shell said building (they thought it was the GPO) which were the idea is believed to come form. And because of the British reaction to the easter Raising (shooting a Irish tied to a chair because he could stand), public opinion switched to the Rebels and Sinn Fein (who weren't even involved in the raising ) nitpick 1922 the Irish Free State is formed as Dominion of the British Emprie 1936: the Irish free State declares itself independent and renames itself to Ireland 1948: the UK recognize Irish independence and started to referring to the Ireland as Eire or the Republic of Ireland when dealing with it - there was an instance during the Signing of the founding Document of the Council of Europe, where the British representative wanted Ireland to be denoted as the republic of Ireland not Ireland, the Irish representative refused and the other nations backed Ireland.

[@longfenglim]

Sinn Fein was not really involved in 1916, the English press associated Sinn Fein with Easter 1916, but they were only tangentially involved. The whole thing was organized by the Irish Republican Brotherhood with the help of the Irish Citizen's Army and Cumann na mBan, all of which were Republicans, whereas the original Sinn Fein of Arthur Griffith (ironically) was for a dual monarchy, and wanted something like the Free States but for all or Ireland.

[@ricmac954]

Interesting. I'd previously heard that the tricolour was green, white and gold as the first colour was associated with an independent Ireland and the white and gold came from the Catholic Papal flag (the colour being closer to gold than orange).

[@seanmeathman356]

we often and incorrectly say the flag is green white and gold, even in song. It is as described green white and orange. However on some ceremonial flags there will be a gold tassel or whatever you call it all the way around the flag.

[@knightsoftheideologies5086]

A great video as always :)

[@historywithhilbert]

Very kind, thank you!

[@Mateo-sc7lm]

At about 9 minutes when mentioning the French revolution(s) you used "La liberté guidant le peuple ", it is a bit anachronistic because depicting the revolution of the "trois glorieuses" aka the revolution of 1830. No big deal but you know, wrong révolution, sorry we have so many

[@tonylawson1965]

Excellent information. I often wondered about the logo on Ryanair planes. Now I know. Thank you.

[@malthevlds9667]

Damn that's gonna be a long flag video... And I love it

[@andyallan2909]

You learn something every day. Thank you. The saltire is the national flag of Scotland and the Lion Rampart the original royal standard. St George's cross is the national flag of England and the three leopards the original royal standard. At the forming of the UK the Union Jack incorporated St Patrick's cross. I have always assumed that the said St Patrick's cross was the national flag of Ireland because of this (and the harp some ancient Irish royal standard). Perhaps you could do another short video to explain the status of St Patrick's cross, historically.

[@gavinparks5386]

I know this is a sensitive issue , but I'm genuinely curious to know if there will be any celebrations of 1922 in 2022 in the Republic of Ireland ? It will be the centenary of independence of sorts but also the anniversary of partition. We never marked the 300th anniversary of 1707 in Scotland because it was reckoned to be too provocative. Also it's not that long since my local town in the west of Scotland was all closed up on a Saturday as it hosted a big Orange Walk.

[@johndoe-ss9bz]

They are Subservient to the Crown of England. They are "Super-Loyal" and wish to be "Subjects of the Crown" rather than "Citizens of a Free Scottish Nation". The Rebels left and fought the Crown for American Independence.

[@MrBulky992]

​@@johndoe-ss9bzThere is no "crown of England" - not since 1707.

[@l2516]

Hi Hilbert, I was wondering if you ever heard of the Oera Linda-bok. It's a piece of Frisian mythology.

[@l2516]

Here is a great introduction video about it that's not hijacked by Dutch naysayers who hate Frisians. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIq3kIqrnLJ_pbs

[@learnedeldersofteemo8917]

thanks

[@l2516]

@@learnedeldersofteemo8917 you're welcome! Let me know what you think :D

[@TimDutch]

Will check it out thanks

[@l2516]

@@TimDutch great profile picture!

[@RyanTheMan000]

Respect from Ireland man, one of the few British people i respect. Take care and keep on keepin on man.👍

[@Dom-fx4kt]

Think he's actually Dutch

[@RyanTheMan000]

@@Dom-fx4kt really? Sounds pretty English to me

[@Dom-fx4kt]

@@RyanTheMan000 I know I thought the same at first, his accent is even regional, but I have heard he spent some time living in Nottingham or somewhere and maybe still does but is in fact Dutch and from the Netherlands originally.

[@greywolf4330]

An excellent video I've now subscribed to the channel! The only criticism would be that it would have been more impactful to have presented it from the Irish viewpoint rather than a slightly English stance. Thanks for a good effort!!

[@doubleducks814]

Foot note: The troubles in Ireland started again in 1969 when the RUC police removed an Irish tricolour from a shop in Belfast because it was illegal to fly the tricolour.

[@davidlally592]

Yes the then notorious (and now repealed Stormont unionist law) The Flags And Emblems Act...look it up on the web...

[@etangdescygnes]

"Cruit" is still used in Scottish Gaelic today, e.g. "cruit-chorda" = "harpsichord". The Gaelic root "cruit" is similar to the English word "create" and is part of words that incorporate that meaning, such as "cruithear", ("creator"). The harp may be so-called because it creates music. It is thought that the aboriginal Irish people originally called themselves, collectively, the "cruithin". This may have meant something like "those created [by a god]" or more simply, "people". Interestingly, the first foreigner to record a visit to Great Britain, Pytheas of Massalia, stated that the name of the islands was the "Pretanikai" Islands, and the natives told him they were "Pretani", which is just the P-Celtic equivalent of "Cruithin"! So it is from Pytheas' Greek rendering of the P-Celtic words that we have "Briton", "Britain", and "Brittanic". However, when the Irish Gaels came to Scotland centuries later, they were using the word "Cruithneach" to mean either "Pict" or "Briton", and this seems to indicate that the word had changed its meaning, and by then it may have meant "stranger" or "foreigner". To complicate matters, "cruithneachd" rather bizarrely means "wheat", (perhaps from the creation of seed), so that the Irish Gaelic term for a Pict may instead have come from the fact that some Britons grew wheat, whereas the Irish (at that stage) did not. If so, the Irish Gaelic newcomers to Scotland were bundling the Picts together with P-Celtic Britons much further south, because there was then no variety of wheat that could grow so far north. Now are you sound asleep? Good!

[@MrSchizoid405]

Gibberish.

[@confusedflourbeetle4734]

The music used is wrong The first piece is beethoven's egmont overture

[@Calidore1]

Isn’t Egmont the Dutch rebel against Spain?

[@MrBulky992]

The first piece is "Eine kleine Nachtmusik" by Mozart. The second piece is indeed the "Egmont" overture by Beethoven from the incidental music to the play of that name by Goethe about the Dutch hero who fought against the Spanish. The next piece I do not know. It sounds a bit "folky" and tge one after that is too quiet to identify. Then there's Mendelssohn's Wedding March from the incidental music to Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream". Does that symbolise the union between Great Britain and Ireland? That's followed by Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" to accompany the rise of Irish nationalism in the 19th century. This dissolves into something more contemporarily popular.

[@embryomystic]

I've not had this conversation directly, but my Irish friends have told me that the flag is not described as green, white, and orange, but rather green, white, and gold. I was surprised, because I'd had the flag explained to me the way you explain it, but I guess in parts of the island that don't currently have a significant population of Protestants to have peace with (the people I've heard this from have been from Munster and south Connacht), they'd rather forget about that part of their history.

[@merseydave1]

The Irish tricolour the flag of the Irish repuplic, is actually a flag of Unity using green of celtic-gaelic tradisions, white representing peace and orange enccompassing the protestant tradition ... it is a flag of unity.

[@NedNew]

Dave, are you still planning on calling over for tea and biscuits?

[@merseydave1]

@@NedNew Love to mate!

[@peterhoulihan9766]

I think it's very unlikely that the word Cláirseach entered Ireland as late as the Dal Ríadan period given that it's a key element in Irish folk tales going back much much farther. Also, trying to draw a link between Cruit and Cláirseach is a bit tenuous. Cruit ultimately comes from the British word for the island of Britain: Prydain. In Q-celtic the P becomes replaced with a hard Q (or "c") and we get Crydain. Irish is notorious for knocking the endings off words so it's an easy jump from there to Cryt or Cruit. The word Prydain dates back to at least the third century BC, which was long long long before the Dal Ríada emerged or there was any serious Gaelic colonisation of scotland. The common proposed etymology for Prydain is "Pritani" meaning "painted people," and indeed classical writers do attest the British were fond of prominent tattoos. The word cláirseach seems to relate to clár, meaning an organised work surface, suggesting the original instrument going by that name was more like a lyre.

[@brianmacc1934]

and there endth the first lesson , be seated

[@peterhoulihan9766]

@@deiniolbythynnwr926 Doubt it, since I'm not a republican. Edit: Plus, if I was just taking an Irish slant, why would I claim the classical image of the Irish harp is a relatively recent import? :P

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

Absolutely agree with this. Still it's fun to speculate even the more out there theories. Could the harps change in appearence from lyre to what we see now be connected with Christianity in ireland? Maybe not, but why the change from lyre to that style of harp?

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

@@deiniolbythynnwr926 how is it revisionism?

[@peterhoulihan9766]

@@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 I'm not a luthier or a harp player so I'm not really sure, but I think those kinds of modern harps allow for longer/more strings compared to zither style harps with the strings running across the soundbox.

[@laughable6650]

Imma just guess that the tricolor is inspired in part by the French tricolor.

[@krncrty]

Correct!

[@pixel-hy4jx]

And the French tricolour was inspired by the Dutch tricolour

[@thunderbird1921]

The French Revolution and Empire left a massive legacy on the world in so many ways.

[@nolawalter6273]

1603 was the Union of the Crowns. Actual Union was 1707. Scotland and England

[@RugbyRyan]

When I see the blue with the harp I think of the Leinster Rugby Team

[@ems7623]

If Ulster rejoins the rest of Ireland as some think might be a possibility now that Sinn Fein are in government in Stormont, the Irish may need to return to this flag. The tricolor has become heavily associated with the IRA in the minds of northern protestants - despite the fact that it was originally designed to be inclusive (green & orange - Catholic and Protestant.) Symbolism is a fickle thing.

[@mcfcfan1870]

3:10 The Dál Ríata were IRISH. They invaded scotland from Ireland. Scotland got its gaelic culture FROM IRELAND not the other way around.

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

He's proposing that the Irish word for harp has the same root as the word cruthin, which means British or pict, and that the harp might have originally been a pictish symbol, but this seems unlikely and I don't think there is a connection between those two words.

[@mcfcfan1870]

@@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 its not though. He proposed this happened from the Dál Ríata bringing it to Ireland from Scotland when this is ridiculous as the Dál Ríata were an Irish Kingdom.

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

@@mcfcfan1870 what he was suggesting was that it was taken from the picts and brought to Ireland from the gaelic or Irish Kingdom of dalraida.

[@johndoe-ss9bz]

@@mcfcfan1870 :: Iona was a deserted Island when Saint Columcille and 12 other Irish Monks built a monastery there in the 7th century. They spread out from there converting Picts and Northern English to Celtic-Catholicism.

[@MrSchizoid405]

@@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 Not symbol but instrument.

[@hareecionelson5875]

Imagine if history lessons at school were taught based on flags? Can't believe that I had zero Irish, Welsh or Scottish history at school. I only realised that the Union Jack used to not include the St Patrick's Saltire when I watched Pirates of the Caribbean..

[@anthonyseymour1403]

This is a really good presentation but I must point out things in it that I believe are incorrect. The United Irishmen were an amalgam of Catholics and Protestants and not just led by a Protestant. The difference being that the Protestants were deserters who were also discriminated against like the Catholics were. Only Anglicans were not discriminated against. The next one I'm not so sure of but I believe that Sinn Fein didn't support the 1916 Rising

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

Sin Féín didn't support the rising but it was called the Sin Féín rising colloquially and they were credited with starting the rising and their members were interned, they were also very active opposing conscription in Ireland. Their leader Arthur Griffith wanted a dual monarchy system like the Austro-Hungarian empire however after those interned were released with many joining the party in order to use it to aid in achieving independence and with the public desire for greater independence exacerbated by internment and the execution of most of the leaders of 1916 rising the party began taking a harder stance towards independence.

[@anthonyseymour1403]

@@silverdeathgamer2907 Thanks

[@johndoe-ss9bz]

Presbyterians were not up to Anglican Ascendancy. They were treated by English Law as "Second-Class Protestants".

[@JohnSmith-jo1fs]

Two questions: Are you sure Eoghan Ruadh Ó Néill used a harp with the 'winged maiden'? My understanding is that the winged maiden version only came about in the late-17th century and Ó Néill was sailing in 1642. While United Irishmen used green and referred Ireland as the Emerald Isle and green was associated with rebellion, Eoghan Ruadh Ó Néill used a green flag in the previous century, so mustn't the origins of the green association go deeper into history?

[@Maestro4759]

From Wikipedia: The first association of the colour green with Ireland is from a legend in the 11th century Lebor Gabála Érenn (The Book of the Taking of Ireland). It tells of Goídel Glas (Goídel the green), the eponymous ancestor of the Gaels and creator of the Goidelic languages (Irish, Scottish Gaelic, Manx). Goídel is bitten by a venomous snake but saved from death by Moses placing his staff on the snakebite, leaving him with a green mark. His descendants settle in Ireland, a land free of snakes. One of the first, Íth, visits Ireland after climbing the Tower of Hercules and being captivated by the sight of a beautiful green island in the distance.

[@Maestro4759]

Eoghan Ruadh Ó Néill never used the winged Maiden, the Winged Maiden, from what I understand was invented by king james period, it was just a plain harp on a green background.

[@JohnSmith-jo1fs]

Thank you for your responses!

[@ecurewitz]

Thanks! missed your videos the past few weeks. Thiw one was awesome. extra awesome because I'm part Irish

[@cathalkelly8796]

"This has been a rather long video"! ... it flew by it was that captivating! ... I'm gonna watch it again!

[@ElectricChaplain]

The tricolor is an awesome flag, great symbolism.

[@bobpobcf9723]

The Harp is SOOOOO much better

[@ElectricChaplain]

@@bobpobcf9723 The Harp is for the guinness bottles, not the flag. No but really why

[@crystalpink6535]

@@ElectricChaplain better flag,the tricolor is boring and looks like Ivory Coast

[@ElectricChaplain]

@@crystalpink6535 The harpsichord flag looks like a stereotype of the Irish, whereas the tricolor tells a whole story of a people. But I'm not Irish, so my idea of "stereotypical" may be off base.

[@cooldaddy2877]

The gold harp on a green ground is the true ancient flag of Ireland. The modern tri-colour is the flag of the modern Republic of Ireland.

[@ronaldfreeman1787]

who here played ck3 tutorial and managed to unite ireland?

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

You should come and touch the Lia Fail and see if it cries out.

[@ronaldfreeman1787]

@@antseanbheanbocht4993 put some watchtowers to stop people from vandalizing it ffs

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

@@ronaldfreeman1787 Yes i agree, you can drive in and walk straight up to it for free, i touched it but alas, Níor chlóis mé é ag caoineadh. I did not hear it crying. Actually the entire area is full of unexcavated ancient sites that anyone could walk into.

[@afrovarangian]

@Rusty Shackleford Wasn't that patched?

[@mikesmith-rp1mb]

Thanks for that vid. Very informative even for an Irish man.! Always thought the tricolour was from the Easter up rising. But no it had a much older history.💚🇮🇪☘

[@roadhouse6999]

"So raise the Harp of Erin, boys, the flag we all revere, the land of our adoption and the Irish volunteer" It might not be Ireland's flag anymore, but a couple of my friends in the New York National Guard were holding it up in front of the U.S. Capitol last week.

[@kieranlindsay9480]

7:57 the flag shown is the flag flown in England, the Scots one has two rampant lions and the three English lions on the top right in sure

[@kwanele.gumede]

The tricoloured one is used because it's easier to draw. You're welcome 😊

[@henrymurphy1253]

I don't know if anybody else has said this but the green flag with the harp is still used as the Naval Ensign of Ireland

[@davidlally592]

On the prow of vessels in the Irish Naval Service part of Ireland' s Defence Forces. The Irish national flag/ tricolour appears on the stern of all INS ships.

[@chiron14pl]

Nice video. Some thoughts on the harp; You didn’t comment much on the role of harp in Irish music and cultural heritage. While harp and drum are part so are the pipes. They share the latter with Scotland, though each culture has different forms of pipes. The harp is ancient, derived from the lyre of antiquity, a distant cousin to both guitar, violin and other string instruments. Music is a core feature of Irish culture much enjoyed by all.

[@MrSchizoid405]

Well the Irish bagpipes were arguably identical to the Scottish bagpipes, but became extinct due to British occupation during the Tudor period. Interestingly enough the Irish were the first to use the bagpipes in battle not the scottish. The bagpipes were more associated with Ireland than Scotland back then, but the bagpipes are a Arabic invention go figure.

[@Artur_M.]

I love both your flag videos and the Celtic-related videos, so this is ideal! That picture at 9:27 is particularly fascinating. I'm of course especially curious how did Polish Eagle end up there? Was it just a sign of solidarity just after the Third (final) Partition and admiration to people like Kościuszko or did some Poles actually take part in the Irish uprising? Edit: I did some searching online and apparently this picture shows a celebration of the Bastille Day, 1792 in Belfast. So it is rather in the period leading to the 1798 Rebellion, still immensely interesting though. In the context of the situation in Poland, it would be just after the Russian invasion that abruptly ended the progressive constitutional reforms (and later led to the Second Partition, Kościuszko Uprising and the Third Partition). Also, as I said before, it would be really great if you would make such a video about the flags of Belarus. I realize that at this point I'm like Cato calling for the destruction of Carthage, I hope it's not annoying.

[@AshArAis]

Would Poland have been a Catholic country at this point too? Often there seems to be alliances through history based on Catholicism.

[@Artur_M.]

@@AshArAis It indeed was (if you don't count the Protestant minority, much bigger Eastern Orthodox one, the biggest Jewish community in Europe and even a small Muslim one). In this case, I'd say it was rather the Society of United Irishmen solidarizing with the reformers in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the spirit of the new Enlightenment ideas of Liberty and so one, especially as their efforts and very independence were threatened by an imperialistic neighbour (which was something they surely could relate to). The role of the Catholic Church in the events unfolding in Poland-Lithuania in this period is actually very complicated. There is a book about it available in English _The Polish Revolution and the Catholic Church, 1788-92: A Political History_ by Richard Butterwick, which I admittedly haven't read but I've heard good things about it. A new book by the same author _The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, 1733-1795: Light and Flame_ is soon to be published.

[@Artur_M.]

@@antseanbheanbocht4993 Thanks for recommending the Wolf Tone's speech!

[@KoziPLUS]

Can’t see the polish eagle. is it Is below the us flag. Cuz if that’s the case it seems to be business sign, with a Phoenix on it?

[@Artur_M.]

@@KoziPLUS To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't recognize our eagle in this picture either but apparently descriptions of the celebrations in Belfast mention "banners representing America, France, Poland, Great Britain and Ireland". comeheretome.com/2019/07/14/bastille-day-in-1790s-ireland/ Also, this might be actually in 1791, not 92.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

#MakeIrelandAHarpAgain

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

how is the Italian campaign going,corporal Napoleon?

[@floridarebel987]

I think the Harp has more culture and apparently it's seen as rebellious so i personally approve but I'm just an American.

[@danielcarthy9250]

@@floridarebel987 it's hard to recreate and the harp flag is the flag of leinster already

[@the11382]

@@danielcarthy9250 Better solution: Abstractify the harp to simplify the flag. Flags are meant to be simple. Remove the detail and keep the core essence.

[@danielcarthy9250]

@@the11382 how could one make the harp simple enough to draw and look good?

[@pshehan1]

Permit me to make a correction. At 11:10 James II is described as pro catholic and a 'closet Catholic'. In fact James was already an out of the closet catholic when he became King on the death of his brother Charles II. This did not please the English or Scottish but they figured that as James had no male heir, when he died the crown would pass to his protestant daughter Mary by his first wife who was married to William of Orange. But then James had a son by his second wife and a Catholic dynasty look likely. In fact a rumour was put about that the baby was not James' but had been smuggled into the queen's bedroom in a warming pan. So in order to secure a protestant succession, Mary and William were invited to become joint rulers and William landed in England with a Dutch army. This was the glorious revolution of 1688. James II fled England but later raised an army in Ireland which was defeated by William III at the battle of the Boyne. When Mary died William ruled alone until his death. William and Mary had no heirs. so the crown passed to Mary's younger sister Queen Anne. She had no surviving heirs so on her death, the crown passed to the George I of Hanover who was a descendent of the Stuarts. At this point, James II son, recognised as James III by some catholic countries and known to history as the Old Pretender landed in Scotland where the Stuart dynasty was popular and tried to reclaim the throne in a failed rebellion in 1715. His son, Charles, Bonnie Prince Charlie or the Young Pretender led another rebellion in 1745 which ended in defeat at Culloden. Thus he was never Charles III, and that title is now held by a member of the the House of Windsor.

[@robertcoffey4487]

Erin go bragh..... Great videos guys, kudos. Respect!

[@mcfcfan1870]

The mistakes from the first six minutes almost reducing me to years, tho lol

[@noodlyappendage6729]

What about the part where he said Americans had a successful revolution against England? Err what!? You mean against the Kingdom of Great Britain!! 🙄

[@SK-yb7bx]

Great job. You're Irish pronunciation of the name for a harp had a Galway Irish type of pronunciation.

[@michaelmessenger5742]

It's the harp of king David Belonging to the lost and scattered northern tribes of old 💪🦁👑

[@RhodianColossus]

Ireland's called the Emerald Isle also because it is *aggressively* green in colour.

[@kieranfogarty778]

Shout out to Thomas Francis Meagher... watching this now living about a thirty second walk away from his statue in Waterford...my boiii:):)

[@rhodiusscrolls3080]

The Harp that once through Taras Halls... They were going to put the Sacred Heart on the Irish flag but never did

[@VRBLNSLT]

Not verry low key subliminal this Guinness commercial 😉😂 Next one about Frysk Hynder? 😜🍻

[@Hammi4Real]

The harp is a banging motif for a country flag, I wish they kept this instead in Ireland today. It can be used as a seamless pattern and it screams of pride. I'm sure the Protestants could fit in there somewhere.

[@tobiaswillcock2534]

The people of Barbados salute our Irish Republican brothers and sisters...Go raibh maith agat

[@Cobra4811]

Good stuff man nice to get a bit more knowledge about my Country.

[@stiofanofirghil1916]

It's not a Sinn féin flag, nor was it a Sinn féin rebellion.. They didn't fight, it was the IRB, Irish Volunteers, & ICA..

[@MrBlazingup420]

In the Irish Sir Names 6th ed. Bower is associated with Baru, Boar and Bower were in use as synonyms of MacCullagh/McCullough, a family that made Bows and Arrows. The ancient name Bower is one of the oldest surnames in Scottish history, and is believed to be of Strathclyde Briton origin. Bower is a name associated the High King Brian Baru, also known as Brian Boru, I read that the Queen's mother Bowes-Lyon family goes back to Ireland, and the High King Brian Baru, from a family that made Bows. Boar is an ancient Strathclyde-Briton name for a person who worked as a maker of bows.

[@jgr7487]

no Wilhelmus. thumbs down & unsubbed! great vid, tho.

[@i.lynott9919]

Great attempts at the pronunciation!👍👍

[@elemperadordemexico]

Hilbert, please tell us about the Anglo Dutch Wars and how the Dutch won control of Indonesia.

[@historywithhilbert]

I've recorded two videos on the Dutch War in Indonesia actually ;)

[@elemperadordemexico]

@@historywithhilbert fantastic, thank you

[@guntherdoesaliltrolling5757]

@@historywithhilbert Will there be the mandatory 'G E K O L O N I S E E R D!' meme in it?

[@sports872]

The various flags of the island of Ireland are vary interesting. I would be interested to watch and learn about the origins of the sunburst and starry plough flags in particular as both has different colours and different versions. Also who used and uses it and it's meaning. There are others that would also be interesting. Enjoyed the video and information.

[@IRISHguitarist777]

No mention of the actual copying of the FRENCH TRICOLOUR of the French Revolution 1789-94? This is the most important point of the "Tricolore" which was thought up by the French Revolutionary left and is the original Tricolour. Red and blue were the traditional colours of Paris and used extensively during the Revolution but General Lafayette added the white,which represented the Bourbon Dynasty,hence the three Colours. This flag,whether Belgian,French,lrish or Italian is representative of one thing. A LEFT WING Country,a Republic and a Country bereft of a Monarchy. If you see a Tricolour,you are in a left wing or Socialist Country. Yes the Irish went with the Orange=Protestant, Green=Catholic Nationalist with white for peace thing but don't be fooled,it's based on French Marxist/Socialist/Commie thinking. The harp was a much more elegant and beautiful flag.

[@ignotsii19]

Minor nitpick at 15:49 (I only say this bc I’m writing a dissertation on James Connolly and Sinn Fein lol) A large contingent of those who fought in 1916, notably Connolly and his socialist Irish Citizen Army were vehemently opposed to Sinn Fein due to the fact that they viewed their Catholic sectarianism as playing into the hands of British capitalists. Connolly had spent a great deal of time in the North with the ICA’s founder, James Larkin, organising strikes which transcended religious divides under the Irish Transport and General Workers Union (ITGWU) - this was the organisation out of which the ICA pulled much of its membership. Very minor point overall and a totally understandable assumption to make considering Sinn Féin’s later significance. Great video overall!!