HMS New Zealand: How Not to Get Hit at Jutland FT

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

Thank you to History of Everything for lending his voice to the video! IMPORTANT: I released this video a little early, his video in our collab isn't quite out yet, I'll be sure to let you all know when it is!

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

Thanks mate.

[@zkspanz]

When HMS New Zealand was laid down in 1910 the population of New Zealand was just over 1 million. Donating a battlecruiser was a huge financial commitment from a burgeoning nation.

[@johnvanzoest4532]

As a NZ'er, I can't help but feel a little proud, listening to this. I'm amused that HMS Australia and HMS New Zealand collided while zig zagging. We do it often when we play rugby, so it's really nothing new.

[@theconvictedquokka]

Australia was HMAS*

[@johnvanzoest4532]

@@theconvictedquokka point taken.

[@theconvictedquokka]

@@johnvanzoest4532 didn't mean it was an assholish thing if it came across like that

[@hmmjedi]

I thought it would be standard practice for HMAS Australia and HMNZS New Zealand (Yes I know it's HMS just wanted to be nice to the old girl) to tackle each other just for the hell of it... being an old Rugby player as well makes perfect sense...

[@MarkLawden]

@@hmmjedi The Royal New Zealand Navy was formed as an independent service on 1st October 1941. Prior to that ships of the Royal Navy’s New Zealand Division were HMS, not HMNZS. HMS New Zealand was always intended to serve with the Royal Navy,unlike HMAS Australia whose primary function was intended to be defence of Australia. There have been three ships named HMS New Zealand (one planned but not built). There has never been an HMNZS New Zealand, though there is an HMNZS Aotearoa.

[@CliveN-yr1gv]

I have an old picture of HMS New Zealand at Akaroa - I'll try to find it and post it on Flickr. I'll let you know when it's up.

[@Blairjones3d]

Mate! Im from Akaroa, id love to see that image, could I have a copy?

[@CliveN-yr1gv]

@Blairjones3d Kia ora there's a copy on the NZ archives site. I'll find the URL and post it here.

[@brianspendelow840]

Interesting video. One point I would like to add us that when New Zealand offered to donate a capital ship, there already was an HMS New Zealand in the Royal Navy. Easily fixed. The pre Dreadnought of the King Edward VII class was re-named HMS Zealandia.

[@brettcurtis5710]

The piupiu, a large chunk of her turret amour from Jutland, and two of her 6in guns remain in the Royal NZ Navy Museum and outside the Auckland War Memorial Museum!

[@HistoryofEverythingChannel]

I had a lot of fun doing this. I'm happy to say I'm about 70% done on the script for the second part of our collaboration!

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

I'm really excited about this one, I'm gonna get real creative with it, maybe a few jokes here and there :)

[@jamiecole2096]

Yay for New Zealand! As a New Zealander I was delighted to learn about this ship for the first time.

[@bronsonperich9430]

Check out the museum at Devonport when you can.

[@kidmohair8151]

in case anyone is wondering (as i was) a "snotty" is a term for a midshipman (a junior trainee officer) who were mostly rather young, and presumed to be constantly needing their noses wiped.

[@fergusmallon1337]

I knew what they were but didn't know they needed their noses wiped. That explains everything. Now I know. Thank you

[@kidmohair8151]

@@fergusmallon1337 presumed. being boys in a man's world, they were putting up as much of a front as they could, for the benefit of the rest of the men around them....they were told, by their superiors, they had to set an example for lower ranks...while those same lower ranks knew exactly what they were feeling... the things we do to our children.

[@lyedavide]

Another take on the recklessness of Admiral Beatty. With the benefit of hindsight, we all know that the crews of the ships lost in the battle contributed to the destruction of the vessels. However, I must say that the loss of three battle cruisers and 3,000 men in one action was not only a tragedy, but one of absolute waste, as only one of the German battle cruisers was sunk. Long after the last shots were fired. The sinking of the Lützow taking place after the main action was a most pyrrhic victory, considering that most of the high-ranking staff were able to escape. Considering the pounding HMS Lion received in the battle, 14 heavy shells, one of which all but destroyed 'Q' turret starting a propellant fire that would have caused an explosion similar to the ones that sank the HMS Queen Mary, HMS Indefatigable and HMS Invincible, I would say that Beatty owed his life to Royal Marine Major Francis Havey, who, though mortally wounded, ordered the magazine flooded. RIP to all who died in the battle on both sides.

[@willytheekid]

Captain John "jimmy' Green was VERY wise to wear the Gifted Tiki & Skirt...they certainly seemed to have worked! 🥰 -AU - E!, Ake, Ake, Kia Kaha E! ...least we forget

[@CliveN-yr1gv]

Thanks very much for featuring this ship, for which I have a particular love. The hei tiki and piu piu (say it like pew pew) would have encouraged everybody onboard, and expressed the mana of the ship and its mission. Once again, a really interesting doco, and a great collab with HistoryofEverything. Kia ora. Kia kaha!

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

Thanks for your kind words Clive, I tried with the Maori words, as we know, foreign languages aren't my specialty! But, New Zealand has been one of my favorite ships to write about. Hopefully some more Kiwi stuff down the line.

[@CliveN-yr1gv]

@ImportantNavalHistory awesome!

[@phillipRT]

best way to pronounce the maori word "Piu Piu" is pretend you have a laser gun and go "Pew! Pew!"

[@allgood6760]

Thanks for this mate🇳🇿 and Happy New Year,👍

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

Happy New Year!

[@Tal-q3r]

''... were 'paced' up on the...'' (18:45) 😄 thx for another upload 😁🇨🇦☃

[@hazchemel]

Appreciate the HMS New Zealand stories hahaha .. like, the skipper keeping the battle costume handy if things turned sour.

[@iatsd]

And in 1970 New Zealand finished paying for HMS New Zealand. It would have been paid off in the 1950's, but WW2 put a bit of a dent in the payment plan

[@lanceyoung9955]

Where are you getting that date from? Last book I read about HMS New Zealand "Battlecruiser New Zealand" by Matthew Wright said the debt was paid off in 1944-45 and it only took that long because the Government kept restructuring the debt.

[@iatsd]

@lanceyoung9955 I remember it from the news articles at the time.

[@clubmusicnz]

Well, so New Zealand had a better navy way back then than it does now!

[@wildcolonialman]

Fabulous, from New Zealand.

[@RayyMusik]

Great to hear a co-presenter from NZ on this topic! Not only were the Indefatigables tin cans (albeit Australia and New Zealand were slightly better armored, as I have learned now) - they also were the ugliest battlecruisers in my eyes.

[@ElysiumNZ]

You should have made mention at the end that HMS New Zealand was also chosen by John Jellicoe to tour the dominions after the war due to her lucky status.

[@gwc656g]

4:28 What are the bars sticking out from near the forward turret?

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

I believe you’re seeing the anti torpedo nets.

[@mkaustralia7136]

The torpedo net booms are still stowed on the sides of the ship and not deployed. The booms are for mooring lighters and other boats - as seen on either side. On the starboard side you can see a ladder down to the boat moored there.

[@jacob6419]

Awesome video mate super interesting

[@kevinpresley3136]

I've alwas have been fascinated by colonial ships.Thanks for the video.I hope you had a Merry 🎄 Christmas 🎄.

[@keithplymale2374]

I've read in more than one place that the beginnings of Australia and New Zealand was in each country building an armored cruiser plus light cruisers and destroyers. That was later upgraded to a battle cruiser. And the ships would have been much better had they been built as Lions.

[@ol9363]

'Castles of Steel - Robert K Massie' is a great read

[@TheLucanicLord]

What does the Castle own?

[@TillyOrifice]

It certainly is.

[@alistairclarke6726]

I think we didn't finish paying for this ship until the 1950s....?

[@VoreAxalon]

Nice work

[@CliveN-yr1gv]

Tsing Tao - the Germans established an excellent brewery there, and the beer is still decent!

[@janwitts2688]

Campaign for more ships was called 'we want eight and we won't wait'

[@ushaw9]

There is an excellent book on. HMS New Zealand by Matthew Wright.

[@brianmeadows1137]

Realising they used flags for orders is pretty trippy.

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

Flags and radios as well!

[@TheLucanicLord]

6:23 Looks a bit modern for WW1.

[@mkaustralia7136]

That is the future RNZN as stated namely HMNZS Achilles of River Plate fame

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

Part Maori fella here. I have heard worse pronunciations. In your rather neutral British accent , Piupiu for the skirt, is closer to PEE - oo PEE - oo if anyone is interested.

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

Thanks for the help. Gave it a shot :)

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

@@ImportantNavalHistory :) Lots of us Maori can't pronounce many English words properly, after all. :) And we been practicing for 180 years or so.

[@daedalus7677]

@uncletiggermclaren7592 - Here we go - NO!

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

@@daedalus7677 No what, sunshine?.

[@daedalus7677]

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 - the usual activist BS!

[@bronsonperich9430]

But the HMS New Zealand did get hit. If you visit the RNZN Museum at Devonport they have the armour plate that took a hit from a German shell.

[@TheWeaponChroniclesX]

I greatly admire the thorough preparation of information in this video. However, I have to say that the section discussing the relationship between Britain and New Zealand is a bit lengthy, which slightly detracts from the focus on the Battle of Jutland. #TheWeaponChroniclesX

[@benrobertson7855]

Got her visit to nz medal on my car keys…

[@madsaadsa7647]

Greetings and salutations, the moment I saw this latest video waiting for my perusal, I was all over it quicker than a politician on a perk.

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

I believe the other part of the collaboration will be Aussie related, so stay tuned for that :) Thanks for your kind words!

[@felixtheswiss]

The fear was unfounded, Germany did not have enough slipways to outbuild the UK.

[@mark4262]

False you have not done pure research...Germany would outpaced the UK by 1919 on Capital ships had WW1 not occured...

[@felixtheswiss]

@mark4262 UK had much more unused capacity at that time. And the German Army wanted funds too.

[@mark4262]

@felixtheswiss yes l understand however there is more to this story than meets the eye..

[@felixtheswiss]

@mark4262 kzbin.info/aero/PLYLg5rHQSWtTzmVFsbwACqptRgzRFWktK&si=ROL9GojRidpLGb00

[@Michael-fo1we]

Churchville wasn't an alcoholic,just enjoyed a bottle or 2 of Champagne every day nothing really .

[@ImportantNavalHistory]

Maybe a bottle of Scotch as well, there’s an excellent video out there of a guy trying to match Churchill drink for drink and it’s pretty crazy

[@mark4262]

Had WW1 not occured Germany would have outpaced The RN by 1919 based on their Naval Acts

[@robertmiller2173]

We were stupidly loyal to the UK.

[@TillyOrifice]

It wasn't us. It was mainly some semi-British people who were only just starting to get a sense of themselves as something distinct. More so after the war than before it.

[@RobertJohnFreeman]

Stupid is he who knows not where he comes from.

[@pj-vq3by]

yes NZ should of been loyal to Germany and we wouldn;t have a laughable woke country now

[@iainfoxell8543]

One of the family, Frederick, a midshipman was killed at Jutland. Wars are the failure of diplomacy and a waste of life.

[@kaiinuakuma]

16 hours to go

[@CraigMawson-m2g]

Piu piu is pronounced Pi rhymes with tee and the u rhymes with two (pee-oo pee-oo) and tiki is tee-kee.

[@bigsarge2085]

🎄⚓️🎄

[@MarkPayne-k7l]

Ho not to get hit at Jutland. Stay in the English Channel. Simples.

[@scotfield3950]

Watspite

[@MR-rp3xr]

Then where the British had crews cabins and luxury fittings of a cruise ship the Germans slept in corridoors in hammocks hung up and no fancy fittings they were able to have better armour 3 inches on the side of British Battle Crusiers was hardly much for a 12 inch gunner capital ship

[@marcusott2973]

You're mixing up reason and consequences. RN ships had extensive crew quarters because the RN was a global navy, going on extended cruises by default. The Kaiserliche Marine, especially the main battle fleet, was a local navy, a fleet in being to challenge a British continental blockade. Also, Krupp steel and Harvey steel had different armour strength compared to weight. Krupp steel was better in that regard.