Hobby Bro RAGES at the Competitive Side of 40K! When Should We GATEKEEP Our Hobby Spaces?

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[@frederickrose3967]

controversial take: "gatekeeping" is misunderstood and unfairly maligned..

[@Duppyman695]

Yes we should Gatekeep harder than we have ever 'Gatekeeped' before! We should also be very careful about competitive play we might regret it, the problem with turning a fun game into a sport, based on statistics and tier list is people might wake up one day and 40k has become cricket. Boring and bland and only treated like a sport. I can see a very grey future with us screaming "What have we DONE".

[@Sonof_DRN2004]

Exactly, I suppose I’m no longer on the same side as I used to be but I’ve been corrupted by competitive players after them joining our group lol. It is so very very hard to mend my behaviour in the way I play. The issue with current space marines is that every unit is equally as sh1t when compared with other factions However even the weaker ones like terminators can be very good if you use them right so it’s very hard for me to not play a shi1t list competitively minded. When my opponent brought a monster to meet my terminators, after fighting I manoeuvred them out of combat using a Anvil stratagem onto an objective, come my turn I charge into weaker t3 units I know my terminators will absolutely destroy. When I was more casual I’d have fun seeing this epic fight continue but I’m not casual anymore.

[@gbirdnonsense1084]

I'm more worried one day players will be expected to keep a K/D ratio in order to access games

[@Duppyman695]

@@gbirdnonsense1084 I'm worried after watching a game of bowls that 40K could become that boring and like space monkeys we cannot go back! GW want to push the sports angle it sells models to meta chasers but as a player, I'm not into football or cricket!

[@ravenRedwake]

I liked playing the MLG playlist in Halo 2 and 3 and Reach, but just as a “let’s play something different” kind of vibe but I didn’t like playing it all the time because it took the weapon sandbox and reduced it to three things. Fun for a couple of matches, but I’d rather be in the playlist where it has different game modes (oddball, king of the hill, griffball etc)

[@wesleythomas7125]

​@@gbirdnonsense1084Put it at 100:1 and refuse to elaborate.

[@Bitsandsquits]

49:07 is the time stamp for the smoothest sip of tea ever 😂

[@dfhellraiser4td]

As a kid, I was a full year younger than everyone. So, I was a lot smaller than the other kids. Which made me a prime target for bullying. Not to mention, I had a big mouth. (and still do) Needless to say, I got in A LOT of fights. But it stopped the bullying. Hit bullies back!

[@viewtifuljoe4412]

Always

[@Arthion]

Unfortunately many schools engage in a lot of victim-blaming and "zero tolerance on violence" where they basically condition kids into not standing up for themselves since having a spine only gets you chewed out by staff and punished like you were the instigator yourself.

[@Direwoof]

Same here but was large for my age but acted immature compared to them so got harrassed for it, I was quite an aggressive little cave child though so they did learn to give me a wide berth after a while lol. Now days I would just laugh it off if someone said "you look gay" or "ur dumb" but back then it would make me see red and I would pounce on them.

[@be_quiet_and_drive]

Threatening to call CPS?? Good lord man. You needed to get that person away from your family immediately. This individual is literally threatening to ruin your family. Many people would consider putting that guy in the hospital for that threat. Thats a huge deal

[@bottomfeederhatchery.5630]

He’s out of my family’s life for good, we had some words about his treatment of my gay friend and some more comments about my home. Feel like a fool for not doing it sooner

[@loganlough6510]

The army, I can guarantee you Austin, has a huge group of people that loooooove 40k. Good luck with being airborne.

[@bottomfeederhatchery.5630]

I appreciate it

[@zackariaswade]

I went into the USMC as a result of years of trauma. Uncle Sam's Misguided Children. Then my wife and counselor put me back together again.

[@bigdaddyblue73]

My dad always told me to avoid trouble as long as I could but when the time came kick their ass. Told my boys same. They took it to heart. My younger son was about nine when two boys kept bullying home on the playground. One day the cornered him and gained up on him. The last thing he said was “this is gonna hurt you a lot more than it’s gonna hurt me” and whipped them both.

[@ChrisPaintsModels]

32:35 "Shatter that guy's nose with his forehead" .... Made me think of one of my favorite funny lines. "I'm a black-belt in the Scottish Martial Art of "FOOK-YEW". It consists mostly of whiskey shots and head-butting. 🤣😂😅

[@rickyvaldez5205]

**Salamander player here** No meltas get auto hits unless you pair the biologis with the eradicators and they only auto hit on 6s Flamers get auto hits

[@rantymcrant-pants9536]

You mean auto-wound?

[@rickyvaldez5205]

@@rantymcrant-pants9536 yeah sorry I was typing while also listening to the video lol

[@Wukong330]

I have a Horror story. I was getting into Warhammer 40k like 11 years ago. I had a death guard army with demons, typhus, and other goodies. Painted them and stuff. Not amazing paint job but it was mine. I would play with this one guy at his house. We turned his living room into a massive field for battle. Played a single fight for like 2 weeks. it was epic. I left my miniatures at his house because we played there all the time. One day i went there to play and i couldn't find my miniatures. I asked him where they were and he pretended to look for like an hour. I called him out on it and he finally admitted that he sold the entire army worth about $2,000. I should have sued him but i didnt. I just stopped talking to him. Havnt played table top 40k since. Though, i feel an itch to start collecting again but ill never leave my miniatures anywhere.

[@Robotryx]

Damn, what an asshole.

[@thegiantratthatmakesallthe5055]

slight update if you didn't know, Adepticon is no longer in Chicago! its been moved to Milwaukee as it has outgrown the Chicago area

[@ZontarDow]

But.... Chicago is....

[@thegiantratthatmakesallthe5055]

@@ZontarDow chicago is....? 80 miles away? in a different state?

[@ZontarDow]

@@thegiantratthatmakesallthe5055 significantly larger

[@tomusannonymous]

I also had a mate who turned out to be really toxic. Best friend for 13 years and I had to end it. These ppl get worse with age. Although life is lonelier now, I have WAY less drama in my life.

[@Deefry]

One morning at drop-off I caught my kid threatening to hit another kid, I talk to him about it and find out said kid had already hit him. I tell him he needs to let the teacher know. He does so when the teacher comes out and she says "Oh well let's just ignore it." Couldn't freaking believe it.

[@darkzentai7417]

Absolutely agree with your concept for bullying in my personal experience going to the teacher almost never works bullies only respect a bigger bully hit them back and their leave you alone. Basically, you treat bullies like orks .

[@stephennorako1807]

There is nothing wrong with playing competitively. Competitive list building is what creates the problems.

[@STOOFER2002]

I was going to create a troll army (about 100) of 2nd Ed. 40K mono-pose Gretchin

[@Backstabmacro]

Beautiful. I would play you and drown under the tide of screaming panic-goblins.

[@troublemaker9899]

The real nightmare is that after all this bullshittery is pulled upon him, he still has the absolute lack of wherewithall to ask "Hey, guys. Am I the asshole in this one?"

[@2009VandA]

Gatekeeping really depends on where you draw the line... and everyone seems to draw it wherever they want. "Don't be a dick" seems to be the only thing in common, and even that has its own moving scale from person to person. Personally, I feel more people playing and enjoying the game is objectively a good thing.

[@raymiecall]

Depends who these people are.

[@2009VandA]

@@raymiecall Well yeah that is kind of what I said. Let's take the new fem custodies drama as an example. I personally do not give to shits if someone hates the idea of female custodies or marines. But if you start complaining about it to your opponent who likes fem marines then you are just being a dick. I don't care what you do with your hobby don't be a dick to someone else for their hobby.

[@legendarydavo]

Except I bet you wouldn't want "nazis" playing. It's just funny when people say "more people playing is better" until it's people you don't like.

[@2009VandA]

@@legendarydavo My rule is don't be a dick. I don't care about you politics so long as you give the same curtesy to me.

[@greghulsey9437]

Dude love ur channel, but please stop interrupting the story to comment on grammer and punction. It totally brings me out of the flow and enjoyment of their stories.

[@Grimangell135]

I dont play Salamanders, but the detachment the oaf is talking about is all weapons have the assault keyword and have plus 1 to strength if within 12 inches. Hes just mad he got called out and needs to be dropped. OP needs to find a better and toughen up that spine a bit. Hope OP enjoys the army however.

[@MechbossBoogie]

Just so you're aware, Adepticon is no longer in Chicago. It's in Milwaukee, WI.

[@izzydarkhart4144]

Salamanders literally do not get any special rules or detachment in 10th, just unique captains. They are green, ultimately marines. All divergent chapters, however, do get their own detachment and units and more characters to choose from. Special abilities are looked to enhancements, stratagems, and a detachment rule. Weapon abilities are universal outside the one detachment rule. This dude was making everything up, also aside from the eliminators there is actually no way to have meltas on everything most units do not have access to them at all. He taking advantage of his friend because he knew his friend was a pushover, I truly feel bad for people like this who refuse to stand up for themselves. Anyone who says "do you think I am cheating"out of nowhere is cheating. But I swear these type of people really think the best intentions in everyone but in reality they are naive and it is sad to see.

[@Dram1984]

I’ve been in this hobby for 30+ years and never have I once seen competitive players coming into a game make it better.

[@Erebusdidnothingwrongish]

Judo is a brilliant defence sport. It requires being attacked to be effective. That lessons the EGO trip and the Guidence from a martial arts trainer is invaluable. you have to stand up to buddies straight away and with the most amount of violence you can get away with it the time if they’re begging you please don’t hit me. Get one more hit in as long as you’re not gonna cause any further serious harm to that person, it’s about making the statement.

[@szymilapinski6967]

For the first story I feel pity that he didn’t get bist table and water dispenser back

[@ThePhoenix743]

Having played a couple of games with the fun models I wanted to and having no luck, not one game even close to a draw, I started looking at "best units of" and "army tier list"s. I do this to learn the army's current strength and how to utilize units without treating them as just another plastic model on the board whose ability I constantly forget. I know I won't be able to build a hyper competitive army, nor would I copy a tournament list purposely as I can't play competitively. Even for those not in competitive scenes I think those lists/videos help to understand what are good and bad choices for the army they want to play.

[@BLUEBOYISLEDGE]

God the first guy is unbearable.

[@wesleythomas7125]

The best time to gatekeep was 10 years ago. The next best time is right now.

[@Hawko1313]

So many parents give terrible advice like that. “Fight then if you’re being bullied”. Kids don’t even know what bullying is, you just told your kid to swing a punch and claim that they’re a victim whenever something they don’t like happens. Creates a cry bully who is in every fight, but “is never the one who is in the wrong”. Kids need more detailed instructions to actually know when to use physical force. Not idiotic advice that makes them into bullies themselves.

[@RevDrTSgtC]

Austin's story was a particularly frustrating one. I wish him luck in the Army and I hope it teaches him to stand up for himself.

[@ozymandrokles8171]

Mallort? Oh god, haven't encountered that "drink" in ages. Lol

[@ChrisPaintsModels]

Malort tastes like shame and dirty socks

[@Agrimir]

Hey now, I only have three Redemptors because they’re fun to paint!

[@ravenRedwake]

23:31 not a sallies player but chapter specific things aren’t a thing in 10th like they were in 9th and 8th. You have the detachments and all and the firestorm is flavored to be sallies esque, but you don’t need it. If it’s at the start of 10th then they’d both be using the index and gladius…

[@bottomfeederhatchery.5630]

That’s what I had thought, I got an old time friend who is actually teaching me how to play now. I told him about my first game and he couldn’t stop laughing at me.

[@BrutusAshes]

The only melta that hits off the top of my head is the one on the invader

[@Erebusdidnothingwrongish]

I are taking a little to much on the chin. Take that in all the ways it's meant. You seem like a kind person? Stop letting people walk over you, you seem like you are maybe a people pleaser 24:12 Grow a pair as… well inwoile say. You are not a dick. Sharing is half the battle. Thanks Mr North Great Video. 34:55 we have similar views

[@bottomfeederhatchery.5630]

Ya after hearing north’s response, I had a good amount of self reflection. I did tell homie to get fucked after his last session of his fallout campaign tho. I should have included that 😅

[@SiegeTF]

My Bard/Sorcerer became something of a Main Character in my D&D 3.5 game, but in my defence it took place in both The Old World and 40K, and I was the only one aside from the DM with knowledge of both universes. More importantly, the three other players also had fun, particularly in combat, where I was so close to useless my character gained his signature combat spell (Burning Hands) as an homorific, and the party got a bonus to dodge if I might just so happen to singe them with it. P.S. People who don't like segways have probably unsubscribed.

[@BravoArchAngel]

the competitive scene has ruined my area for a three hour radius. The groups discord is exactly like the last nightmare. I play custodes to watch the light from their eyes drain when they bring a list they copied from some tournament and I somehow win cause I just play the objective. Im known as a casual player in my group who likes silly lists like oops all guard or just a massive amount of melee space marines when I go against orks (its just fun to make a shield wall though I will lose every time). But its the players who min max everything and talk about how low ranked my armies are compared to their army's win rate in the meta. Those are the ones ill pull out the custodes. They'll tease how terrible custodes are until they watch Allarus terminators drop in their backline and just chew through their vehicles. Ill win in the end but be exhausted by the constant rules lawyering and knowledge the next week is going to be filled by screenshots of rule combinations or "I actually would have won if I remembered x"

[@ravenRedwake]

Poorhammer said it best: Warhammer is a 3 turn game masquerading as a 5 turn game. Tournaments, being their own bespoke rule system, should just make the matches 3 turns.

[@PoorhammerPatreon]

see I think 4 turns are sometimes possible in tournments but its very rare so I could see the 3 turns. Also keeping up with the rule of 3.

[@howardtreesong9165]

There seems to be no end of stories of people manipulating slow/fast play at tournaments to get through the number of turns that works to their advantage. The number of turns should be fixed and on the clock, if it’s so difficult to get through a game.

[@casonjuni4746]

Hey North just to let you know, Adepticon moved to Milwaukee next year

[@bottomfeederhatchery.5630]

Howdy sir north it’s Austin, I appreciate the advice and after a listen I sent it to the wife and she confirmed I was a bit of a door mat when it came to my “friend” I will say I told him to get fucked after he was being a dick to my gay friend (Matt) and now the rest of the friend group doesn’t want me or Matt around but rather have a single real friend then a big group of sharks. I think the army will help me grow a stronger back bone but It’s on me to stand up for myself. Keep on doing what your doing and can’t wait to binge your story’s when I get out of bct/osut

[@elefants5978]

awesome to see you comment here mate after listening to North read your story I was hoping to, glad you've removed the trash and gl in the army im trying to join either the aussie navy or army myself atm and I know what its like to have an army (or armies in my case) of 40k and no one to play with. gl out there!

[@Backstabmacro]

I’ve been trying OPR again for the last couple days. Made some basic 1k lists with units I have ready to put on a table, tested it out. I see why people like it, comparatively. But… For me? There’s a SEVERE lack of crunch. Just based on the armies and units I like to play, it’s looking like I’d need to roll around at 4K+ points minimum to begin having fun. 40k is flawed as a game system for balance and depth, but the bare minimum level of Combat Patrol (the sub system or 500pts) is more fun than OPR to me. Now, I’m a former competitive player who got sick of FOTM overpowered bullshit (Eldar) and I prefer to run all of my armies as 1-of units with no duplicates and a clear theme in mind. It plays very well casually, and printing off the data cards (fuck paying for that) makes referring to all my stuff very easy. Maybe I’m just an outlier, but I don’t find 10th particularly complex compared to 9th, even with the unit abilities (which always existed just in different form in 9th). I’ll keep trying OPR because of its simplicity to try to get people to start the game, but I feel like it’s not something I can enjoy long term.

[@biobasher]

Opr has an advanced rulebook if you want more crunch, it has a bunch of rules you can plug in and play in modularity Card objectives, game modes, command points, extended actions, etc

[@Backstabmacro]

@@biobasher I’ll take a look at those, maybe having that will fill out the depth I’m missing here.

[@darko-man8549]

Dude needs to take back all his stuff he paid for

[@bottomfeederhatchery.5630]

I got everything but the gaming table I built, took the help of the sheiffs department but didn’t take the table cause I don’t have a truck to move it

[@darko-man8549]

@@bottomfeederhatchery.5630 woohoo

[@Eighty6TCG]

Had a girl like that and I didn’t leave them years later she flipped it on me and used it to make up some crazy stuff. Should have left right away…

[@Direwoof]

Kid would kick teh back of my chair and my lunch box just about every day in class and I turned around and punched him, not that hard just to let him know whats up and he just looked absolutely shocked lol. Got a stern talking to from the teacher but the teacher liked me and not that kid so didn't get in trouble or anything. Kid never bother me again.

[@ravenRedwake]

12:02 …are there people who bitch about that?

[@makeytgreatagain6256]

Hi northern I live close to you and am on your discord but I don’t see a part of it I can message anybody in. You have announcements, hall of fame, warhammer news etc but no basic chat box one for people to just message eachother. I’m in the similar situation to you and was wondering how I can find games in which channel?

[@SquigRida]

Meltas do not auto hit, only torrent weapons do.

[@padorupadoru8593]

to the bully stuff a friend of the famalie had a son wich was bullied to and when he snaped the bully ended with a broken nose in the hospital the bulling did not just stoped they even became friends afterwards

[@HEYDUDEITSTONY]

GREAT FUTURAMA REFERENCE!

[@EP1TAPH90]

Anyone else not a fan of the new BGM being used in the last few vids? I prefer the old instrumental more chill stuff you used, without the singing which i find somewhat distracting.

[@powerwolf-vw8st]

Enforce a similar ettiquete standard as was the norm back in the late nineties early two thousands in so many GW stores. I.e. Yeah ofc try to win, Write competitive lists. But also make sure everything is above board on both your own lists miniatures are all wyswg. And most importantly be POLITE nice courteous, If you suspect cheating use your brain and ask nicely to see a rule or get a more knowledgeable ruling from a 3rd party.. and for the opposing player dont immediately take offence as assume your being accused of deliberately cheating. Assumptions make an ass out of everyone most of the time. Even go as far as enforcing a shaking hands policy ( assuming they shower and dont have plague of some kind/generally not disgusitng) and try to apologise if a dispute goes too far. Ban toxic shitalking in competitive enviroments. Really most of this stuff is "do what your grandma told you" type stuff that shouldent need mentioned lol Alot of this i feel has been imported from america where that sort of thing seems almost accepted, And has been slowly spreading ever since. ( yes i know its not all of them obviously ) Suffer not the, Unpolite, The shitalker and the unclean. I realise the reality of tournaments might make some of this more difficult due to the sheer volume of professional judges needed but in GWs case idc, They have the money to hire plenty of people for their events. But just in general yes ruthlessly purge ( by banning them calm down youtube) dickheads cheaters and other similarly unpleasant people

[@kingalfred9941]

He will find soldiers who play 40K in the US Army. Me being one of them. It’s been growing in popularity.

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

gatekeep from day 1!!

[@SethLooks]

Not saying you have to like it or that you have to have female Custodes in your army but they are cannon now. So wouldn’t saying “you can’t do that here because we aren’t doing politics here” in fact itself politics?

[@thequestbro]

There are none nor will there ever be female Custodes. Fuck off. GW doesn't own the hobby. We do.

[@Backstabmacro]

It’s still up to the individual players to decide not to play someone. I don’t care about Femstodes, but really dislike GW’s handling of it and the disrespect towards longtime fans who really just need a reason to see they’re an acceptable lore change, but got “they’ve always been there, stupid. What are you, a bigot?” instead.

[@MechbossBoogie]

It's not about that, though. It's a huge sign of how that player is going to act the entire time they're in your space, because these far left/far right people just cannot help but make literally every single thing and every single subject into a political tirade. Most everyone else here in between those two factions can actually get through a day without forcing real life politics into a game of plastic army men.

[@SethLooks]

@@BackstabmacroThat’s how all the retcons work. The ret in retcon is retroactive so yes, by putting her in a story that makes it so they have always been.

[@SethLooks]

@@MechbossBoogietrue, you don’t have to play anyone you don’t want to and some people on both sides are a problem but if I have an army of Custodes and I made little name plaits for there based and one of them says Rebeca and it bothers you then you have to recognize that you are the one that is having the problem.