Hobby Cheating 252 - Tabletop vs Display vs Competition Quality Explanation

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Vince Venturella

Vince Venturella

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@the_elder_medium
@the_elder_medium 4 жыл бұрын
This was a great reminder that as long as I'm improving I'm winning. Sometimes I feel like I'm not getting better or my quality it's plateauing, but then I realize that I'm creating that same quality in half the time I used to, so still improving.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely the case. Whenever you are improving, you are on the right road, everything is just a step and the wonderful part is there is no destination.
@beno5324
@beno5324 4 жыл бұрын
Vince, you are the first to put this somewhat arbitrary division into categories that are easy to understand and also a huge relief to mini painters of all levels. When tabletop is defined by certain techniques and beginners struggle with those, it could theoretically mean that their minis are not worthy to be put on the table and discourage newcomers. It also explains why "speedpainting" of veterans like yourself will produce minis that surpass the highest efforts of someone painting their first army (even if it should be obvious, but youtube titles like "Y painted in Z hours" create a certain illusion). By anchoring your distinctions in your indivual approach to your project you encourage and include all painters while also giving pointers on how to improve. That is why I think you are such a treasure for this hobby community . Thank you!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome that was exactly my hope!
@Slail
@Slail 4 жыл бұрын
Vince's tabletop quality would be my display quality. Lol. I've got a lot of growing to do.
@davedogge2280
@davedogge2280 4 жыл бұрын
thing is I think that the overall painting standard has been upped with the advent of KZbin tutorials and the internet etc. My painting quality now is 2x better than it was 4 years ago yet it's still only just table top standard with a little bit of flair here and there.
@xenotrauma
@xenotrauma 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. It seems like it's better to define by constraints rather than purpose... or to say, "This is what I can do with the resources I have." But that being said, when I think "tabletop quality", my idea is way lower than anyone else I know... because I bought the store copy of Betrayal at House on the Hill, which came with factory-painted minis. THOSE things are only made for the tabletop--to be better than grey, and to just be recognizable from three+ feet away. They are only a basecoat, not more than three colors each, and one of the guys has red paint from his shirt sploshed onto his blue pants. Literally any mini I paint will be better than those, and I never had any problems playing the game with them before I started painting.
@dmitriy8136
@dmitriy8136 4 жыл бұрын
You are not alone :)
@OscarDataTech
@OscarDataTech 4 жыл бұрын
I would compete (and maybe win) in my local enviroment with that tabletop quality xD
@davidkilby1043
@davidkilby1043 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@LandoFabrizian
@LandoFabrizian Жыл бұрын
Vince , you are creating history and pioneering the way for the future of wargaming and miniature artists. You are the Jack Kirby of miniature painting, and every encounter opens new doors and adventures. So I thank you! Never stop educating !
@mini_maven
@mini_maven 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for releasing a Saturday morning video! I enjoy watching your video while drinking my morning coffee!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, always happy to help. :)
@jasonmaloni8793
@jasonmaloni8793 9 ай бұрын
Always helpful Vince. Its interesting that most of us came to painting minis from D&D and other games. In those environments our characters grew by gaining experience points and achieved new levels, easily at first and much harder the higher you go. I'd love to see the community (or those much more experienced and established than I) come up with something more specific to equate certain techniques with a certain level, or allot experience points for attending painting classes at Adepticon or NOVA. Right now, measuring the output as Tabletop, Display or Competition seems broad and opaque. I imagine such a system might supercharge participation in painting classes by the Jedis like you. Cheers.
@13Robzilla
@13Robzilla 4 жыл бұрын
I think that the personal feeling of satisfaction is how well we perceive we hit our mark. If I was going for table top because of time and got it done better than I expected I feel like wow I did something good. Conversely If I give myself all the time in the world to make it look nice and the actual doesn't match the "in the head" version I feel like I missed. This can set you up for failure it is reaching and missing that I have felt the most growth from. Another great video and conversation, don't know how you do it, but thank you. Stay safe Vince!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad it was enjoyed and I totally agree on expectations. :)
@dariuschoksy6934
@dariuschoksy6934 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like going over tabletop standard stuff has really helped reinforce what I’ve learned over the last couple months painting my first army. My Night Lords really got pushed to the next level when I sucked it up and spent the extra 5 minutes per model to freehand some lightning on them! Thanks for some many great videos. I really appreciate how you focus on why you make the decisions you make helps so much with the artistic side of learning how to paint.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, sometimes it's as easy as that one or two additional steps that can make all the difference.
@MrHacn
@MrHacn 4 жыл бұрын
As usual, you're spot on! And finally I see someone talking about this and making it so clear.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! :)
@HyperRealitySuperFun
@HyperRealitySuperFun 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see and hear how you define the levels of painting commitment!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@ProrokLebioda
@ProrokLebioda 4 жыл бұрын
That KoS hair is sick! I'm always amazed when you show it. In my current place in hobby I focus more on quantity over quality. That being said, I know that I can go back to some of my models later and push them further. I have almost finished painting my Ironjawz (long time coming...), but they will only be a tabletop standard. I could go and push contrast on Gordrakks armor, add battle damage to more than just Megaboss and one Warchanter (though it was my 1st time adding battle damage and I'm not too happy about it, less is more, I over did it). Best choice was to get myself an airbrush. Cut lots of time on basecoating, enabled cool undershading (my Space Wolves from now on will get an undershade of VGC Dark Blue glaze, gives nice purplish-blue shade), and of course adding zenithal to my toolbox. Things I would like to focus more on now are better bases. My usual decision to use some earth, some stones and static grass + tuft here and there is mostly because of my magnetic box. Great video! Happy warpainting :D
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you and glad this was helpful. :)
@acerebralstringmorn
@acerebralstringmorn 4 жыл бұрын
I like your way of framing the distinctions, and in particular I feel like I have a better grasp of the "display painting" concept now. I think some beginners looking for an idea of what most communities would accept as "tabletop" might be a bit intimidated by your handgunners though ;) At any rate, excellent video as always!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad it was helpful. :)
@Philzila702
@Philzila702 4 жыл бұрын
never thought of the concept of looking at the face then the weapon. its very true! Thanks Vince!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Always happy to help. :)
@MentoliptusBanko
@MentoliptusBanko 4 жыл бұрын
I like how you use auditive analogies for visual effects, like loud colours and cacophonous effects. Bravo Vince, it is a joy to watch and listen to you :)
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@uriance88
@uriance88 4 жыл бұрын
Best explanation in this: "as long as you want to keep working on it, it's for display". Sometimes you start for quality and a mini just doesn't "work" for you, so it ends up as 'tabletop +'. Maybe you go back to it later, maybe not. If you are having fun and improving, then you're winning - even if you never enter a competition (but his advice to enter at least one competition is true for anything you want to get better at)
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree.
@voxkine9385
@voxkine9385 4 жыл бұрын
Almost at the 1 year mark of starting AoS and painting. Put my latest mini next to my first and its SOoooo much worse than I remember! Can’t wait to see how much I improve in year 2!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, just imagine what year 5 looks like. ;) - There is always room to keep growing and the journey is the best part. :)
@jakea3950
@jakea3950 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! Think your subs grew Vince? You so deserve it. This is by far the most educational miniature painting channel for many topics. Like a general practitioner not of medicine but paints and it's application 😉👏. So my army was too big in AOS and got burnt out. Sold it and picked up indomitus which is much better for me ATM. So felt bad I'm out of the AOS scene but thought hey I still love it and this is for painting not AOS! Then I see a space marine to reinforce that belief haha. Well I have alot of catching up to do! Thanks again for all this Vince, makes a huge difference for people who don't have a group or friends in the hobby to learn from.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
THank you, always happy to help. :)
@Whorabl3
@Whorabl3 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid, Vince. Just sort of compartmentalizing each standard of paint job as its own beast seems to make tackling projects a lot more doable even if it's just an adjustment to your mentality. My OBR army for example; the pressure was on because of a looming tournament date so I just did a quality job on all the characters and then made the rank and file very simple but gave them a few visual hotspots and did an oil wash to pop them out. Worked perfect for my purposes and now I think with this video kind of cemented that as a tool for my painting tool box. Probably try like a Necromunda gang or something at display quality next. Last thing, I noticed there was quite a few ads in this vid and I'm more than okay with it because you deserve to get paid out as much as possible for the countless hours of work you do just seemed like quite an abrupt jump from zero ads (aside from the starting one) to however many there were there, 6 at least? Just wondering if you're going full on now. If you are, I honestly think you could blow a lot of these new hotshots out of the water (they're great too I'm just being dramatic).
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Always happy to help. As to the ads, not this was a change from KZbin sadly that I was unaware of. Somehow, they decided to make the mid-roll ads turn on AND run a ton of them, I shut them off now. I don't like the idea of distrubing people with that many ads.
@Whorabl3
@Whorabl3 4 жыл бұрын
Vince Venturella you’re a gentleman and a scholar as always.
@phillipchronister7035
@phillipchronister7035 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Your tutorials have been helping me a lot, but still plenty of painting experience to get to that display level quality. Really enjoyed seeing the difference in the three levels, thatll definitely help in the future. Thank you for the help!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to help :)
@MutsuKazuma
@MutsuKazuma 3 жыл бұрын
I'm painting an army, apparently I like to suffer cause I am painting pretty much all of them to the best of my lackluster ability, but with covid time doesn't seem to be an issue, I don't get to play atm anyway, awesome content, and also being so down to earth at this skill level is very refreshing to me
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 3 жыл бұрын
This is the time to really push your painting. :)
@ciaragallup1496
@ciaragallup1496 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't know there was a difference 😳 I'm a new painter to miniatures and your videos have been very helpful all month!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Happy to help! :)
@TommyG_love
@TommyG_love 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video once again. Really good tips on how to push your painting quality to that next level based on your current skills.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! :)
@Sean-ch4vn
@Sean-ch4vn 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Vince for a great video and putting this subject into better perspective.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! :)
@AngusBeef0
@AngusBeef0 4 жыл бұрын
I like batch painting. Helps focus on finishing parts of the whole; one belt piece, slime puss, or weapon at a time.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
To each their own as always, I've just found finishing some models, gets you that hit of accomplishment that propels you through the morass of the middle areas.
@davedogge2280
@davedogge2280 4 жыл бұрын
What I've never seen is a video which explains 'how you can upgrade your table top level painted minis to display quality ?'. Is it even possible ? which are the viable and non-viable candidate table top painted minis ?. Would it be better to just strip the table top quality piece and then just start again aiming for dispay / competition quality ?
@br3orbot
@br3orbot 4 жыл бұрын
I'd have to say it really depends on your definition of tabletop quality. As for me, tabletop is super blatant highlighting and washes/zenithal for shadows. So for me to move up to display, I would just base coat over the highlights and add more in between layers between my highest highlights and base and between deepest shadow and base.
@dl-q3387
@dl-q3387 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah for display I’d say that you would want to paint for that level of quality from the start Otherwise you’re not gonna plan out your paint scheme correctly, your highlights and stuff are more of an afterthought if you don’t paint with them in mind using stuff like a zenithal highlight
@bentosan
@bentosan 4 жыл бұрын
It depends on your painting style. Some styles like the style Vince teaches is better for upgrading tabletop to display while some styles (such as basecoat, wash, highlight) you would need to redo a lot of your fundamentals.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
It's a good topic for a video, I will add it to the list, but the short answer is yes, you can certainly upgrade, it's always just a question of how much of your original work is preserved and that will vary.
@corneliusperkins7363
@corneliusperkins7363 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella there's always stripping. :P)
@christianscharling7744
@christianscharling7744 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, thanks Vince. Good for framing my mind if I want to go further
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it.
@Dragoon670
@Dragoon670 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Vince, I really love the additional breakdown you did at the end of the video reinforcing that it's primarily intent, time, and effort that really distinguishes between the three categories. It brought up an additional thought and I'm curious what your take would be: I think there's an additional level on the subjectivity scale, and that's individual skill. I think many people would look at that statement and say something like "of course, I can't do perfect blends so I could never hit Competition level, I'm gated by my skill." I don't think that's really an accurate thought though- someone that's new to the hobby, or new to skill growth in painting could be painting at Competition levels relative to themselves. An individual might not win or even enter a local competition let alone a Crystal Brush or Golden Demon, but the effort and time and care they put into pushing themselves, getting those extra layers and mid-tones that they've never hit before, attempting (even failing) a blend on a plate of armor could be just as challenging and rewarding to them as someone like you going for that top prize in a competition and taking 200x hours longer.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Certainly, but I would add to that it's only true for a moment in time. Your individual skill will also change along those same lines, so even your past self will not be having the same results. :)
@dennisfoulds3941
@dennisfoulds3941 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Vince, help’s with a lot of the decision making.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 2 жыл бұрын
Always happy to help.
@endlesswaffles6504
@endlesswaffles6504 4 жыл бұрын
So are these terms are less a measure of quality and more about the mindset?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's the only true measure. :)
@Socraz6
@Socraz6 4 жыл бұрын
I hope to be able to do achieve a nice display quality in time, but competition painting sounds exhausting! But you make a good point at the end. Maybe someday.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
It is exhausting, I won't lie, but it's fun to really challenge youself like that sometimes.
@ricthecrock
@ricthecrock 4 жыл бұрын
As per usual you have your professional finger on the painting community’s pulse! 👍
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! :)
@crymric
@crymric 4 жыл бұрын
Great advices, thanks. :) I'm painting my first army but it's takes longer than I expected. My goal is the TTQ quality, but I just lost in the details of the models all the time. 😅
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
So many of the armies have those sorts of details that are easy to get lost in, so don't feel bad. If you are making progress forward, you are going the right direction. :)
@JoshuaSmith-wh2rf
@JoshuaSmith-wh2rf 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a hobby for many and a profession for a few. Either way, it’s great to be apart of!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agreed. :)
@EF-jq6kh
@EF-jq6kh 4 жыл бұрын
Well this made me feel awful about everything I've ever painted. But I watched it because it had plenty of good lessons and I'm happy to say I recommended it to the other people in my painters club.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Well I guess that is good for the later part and bad for the initial part. But believe me, if you would see my stuff from 7 years ago, it would be well below anyone's tabletop, it's just deliberate practice. :)
@EF-jq6kh
@EF-jq6kh 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella I realize it takes time and effort, anything worth doing does. However it can be hard to not compare yourself to others. I recommended this video to my club members because I wanted them to see what time and effort looks like. Too many of them are afraid to share their work I think, even though we all started at the beginning.
@jessesteinberg6028
@jessesteinberg6028 4 жыл бұрын
First off thank you so much for everything you do for this hobby! How many hours a night do you sleep? Trying to do the math, work full time, hobby full time, KZbin, and marriage. You are an iron man!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Not enough hours is a simple answer. :)
@benrichardson5662
@benrichardson5662 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought of "tabletop" as basecoat + wash = done, what GW dubs "battle ready". In contrast, "display" has always meant "paint like you give a damn", and anything higher was competition quality, with many, many levels encompassed therein. Interesting to hear a different perspective.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the issue is, there are many ways to get to tabletop of course. That's why I put it along the spectrum of time vs. outcome.
@TypeiZ
@TypeiZ 4 жыл бұрын
Thank u Vince :) Can u give me some advice? I want 2 buy an airbrush set and i read too many things and oppinions. now im complete confused what to buy. I started to glaze my minis because of u and Dana Howl, but im doing the undercoating with wrath bone spray and thinned nuln oil. this takes really much time and still then it's not as good as zenital undercoating... i'm in a difficult situation at theese times and i can't afford to buy this twice, so i want to ask u (as an expert) what u would recommend me to buy. I can stretch the money a bit if necassary. I'm sure it's worth it :) But i can't afford to buy it twice at the moment. I hope you can help me a bit! Thank u for all of your videos, you really taught me very much things about this hobby.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Happy to help. :) - So if you are looking at your first airbrush, the key is to keep it simple, especially if you are just using your airbrush to prime. So this is usually what I recommend to people. It's a cheap airbrush set that gives you everything. There is a very high chance that you will mess up your first airbrush (It just happens). You can replace these G22/G23s for about $20-30. This was what I started with and it was a good learning tool - www.amazon.com/Master-Airbrush-Multi-purpose-Dual-action-Compressor/dp/B001TO578Q/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=OM7J3KYP3LAW&dchild=1&keywords=master+airbrush+kit&qid=1596423482&sprefix=master+airbrush+k%2Caps%2C144&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzTEdGTUE1QUhBTVQzJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTk4MTAzMTVLMzZYSloyNVo1SyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjE3NTAxMjc3NUIyUTJJQlFEJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== The key is that this will get you learning. You can use this for a while for general priming and base coating or painting big monsters and vehicles. When you are ready in a year or two, you can go to something like an iwata neo or HP-CS
@TypeiZ
@TypeiZ 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella this helped me very much :) thank u! I hoped that a "lower" priced set does what i want for the beginning. I read stuff where it was said that the cheapest price should be at least 300$, but this seemed a bit too much for me (for beginning and just priming ^^). I will report what i can do with this set! Have a nice week :)
@UntiltedName
@UntiltedName 4 жыл бұрын
Newer hobby-ist here. Painting my first army has been a hurdle for me and I'm barely halfway through. The hurdle is that I am trying to do too much to every single model. Also I have no idea what my actual list is because I just got all the coolest stuff the faction has (CSM). At least with covid I am not feeling the pressure to play like I did last year. But man I want a functional fluffy army done soon so I can keep indulging in painting individual models without feeling like it delays my ability to play. My last batch of CSM guys I painted to what I called table top. So that meant dry brushing my dark gray highlights on the black power armor. Doing one layer of gold trim with silver highlights. It felt good to get ten done in 1 week. I can tell what these guys are from 3 feet away. They don't look like a dark black blob like I seen so many other CSM armies look.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, over time you will see the speed increase, that's one of the keys, the improvement isn't just in quality, but it's also in time. :) Keep at it.
@Bromocriptine
@Bromocriptine 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a video about the pink-teal winged creatures?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, several in a range - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4apn6yCgZyWibs
@alexanderk.7782
@alexanderk.7782 4 жыл бұрын
How to paint white metal colour with white paint and metal paint? For example shield from the Indomitus warrior or armor from the heroes?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure exactly what you mean, do you mean using white matte paint to enhance TMM metal on a single surface or next to each other like the band around the shield?
@alexanderk.7782
@alexanderk.7782 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella no i mean mix the great vallejo metall paint with white and get a metallic look. For example i mixed metall paint with blue ink and i get a very nice shiny blue metal for space marine.
@westonbarney3737
@westonbarney3737 4 жыл бұрын
Vince, are there any good opalescence or pearl or iridescent products out there? Much of the white or off white power armor of space marines are supposed to have these effects. If so, can we get a hobby cheating on them?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I've been looking at pearl many times, but the short answer is no, there is no good pearl paint, because pearl is actually a really complex set of effects. I've recorded several things but never really liked how it came out, it's something for the future.
@christianschmidt1784
@christianschmidt1784 3 жыл бұрын
I ve seen this video several times over the past 18 months and I have a question: Does it bug you sometimes when you look at a table top quality model and think I should really paint this in a better quality?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, one of the challenges of painting for youtube or being known for painting in any way, is that you feel you always should be painting your best, even when you want to paint for fun. :)
@christianschmidt1784
@christianschmidt1784 3 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella thanks ;) Guess we all have the same issues even at different painting levels...
@phamhoangthong4815
@phamhoangthong4815 2 жыл бұрын
if i aim for display and competition should i use fast tools like air brush?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 2 жыл бұрын
Sure, this was a competition mini and you saw I used the airbrush all over. :)
@Wallack
@Wallack 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, trying to find that video you mention about the ogres but I can't seem to find it :(
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Speed painting ogres is right here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3fYdpRnbd58oJI
@stillunsure7630
@stillunsure7630 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting subject. Sadly I don't enjoy painting at all, so trying to improve from base colours and wash. How do you enjoy painting minis?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
That's a tough question, I mean I love it, but the real key is to make it more than a rote task in my estimation. Make it a journey of learning, discovery and artistic exploration and things become very fun.
@stillunsure7630
@stillunsure7630 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella thank you, I'm watching a lot of videos and learning how others paint to try out and find what works for me but have struggled to get beyond just getting faster at base colours and wash!
@chucklamb3496
@chucklamb3496 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, Vince!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
THanks. :)
@stevensmith909
@stevensmith909 4 жыл бұрын
I tend to only buy models I will play on the table top. I do my best to get a high table top standard and practice techniques that will be useful for other models. My biggest problem is everything looks like a GW catalogue from the 90s and early 2000s.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with that, if it's a style you like, then you are succeeding. :)
@LoftOfTheUniverse
@LoftOfTheUniverse 4 жыл бұрын
I like ink over zenithal, however it doesn't look vibrant enough for my eyes. I also don't use an air brush... lol
@bentosan
@bentosan 4 жыл бұрын
LoftOfTheUniverse it’s only a starting point, some colours will come off more saturated than others. They do come across pretty muted in the saturation department even if you have an airbrush and go the full monty with your preparation. What it does get you though is a of a lot of contrast. Satiation is something you are usually giving up for time when painting this way, but if your smart about your colour choices and use bright vibrant inks to begin with then you are not really giving up a lot either. For example a colour like purple won’t ink well but a colour like yellow will be very vibrant. You also have the option to zenithal in something other than black/grey/white which can give you huge amounts of saturation right off the bat.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I agreew with Bento, in the end, it's a perfectly acceptable place to stop for tabletop (and some colors will look quite good, for example, a desaturated green on nurgle), but it can be a great starting point. :)
@trovarion
@trovarion 4 жыл бұрын
first!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Your no-prize is in the mail. :)
@trovarion
@trovarion 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella It just arrived! AWESOME!
@Sarkhamy
@Sarkhamy 4 жыл бұрын
Do you face a tutorial on how to do the pink skin on the tzaangor or your Daughters of Khaine?
@Sarkhamy
@Sarkhamy 4 жыл бұрын
Also the teal gold metallics on Morathi are kick ass! Your colors are amazing.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I did a video on both of these topics actually - Here is the Tzaangor skin - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ6woniNoLSkjbs Here is more detailed pink skin - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4apn6yCgZyWibs Here is green gold - kzbin.info/www/bejne/boPGlX2Krql8e5Y
@Sarkhamy
@Sarkhamy 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella thank you so much! I've been looking for a pink and gold recipe for my Slaanesh army as all the pinks I come up with don't look like skin.
@thel1chking
@thel1chking 4 жыл бұрын
Your Tabletop Standard is better than most people’s display standard. I’d say you have Tabletop + or just high standard as your lowest :D
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Well, as always, that's not how I'm dividing the quality, the paint quality is always going to be subjective and vary, but the purpose, that's an ironclad divider, are you painting with the restriction of time (in which case, it's ultimately table top) or are you painting for purely quality, time be darned, then you are onto Display or Compeition, depending on how far you are willing to go. :)
@thel1chking
@thel1chking 4 жыл бұрын
Vince Venturella I see, well I don’t judge it that way. It’s more like - you’re a humble man and I appreciate that. But the reality is time means nothing - what matters is the result. And if you can pump something out just in a few days and it looks objectively better than 80 to 90% of what I see on the tables in most places I go - it’s just high quality. Some people spend weeks on a not so good miniature - others spend a few days and have it look amazing.
@Whorabl3
@Whorabl3 4 жыл бұрын
​@@thel1chking you think Vince got to pumping out a high table top standard in a week (re: empire army) over night?
@thel1chking
@thel1chking 4 жыл бұрын
Whorabl3 my point was - in a broader sense- that we cannot judge what is what by the time you put in. Not everyone who puts an hour into a model is equal to another. Some people are just talented or very experienced
@Whorabl3
@Whorabl3 4 жыл бұрын
@@thel1chking I think one of the things that Vince was going for here (and I could be completely wrong) is that it's sort of a sliding scale. For example if the amount of time you're willing to invest in an army is lower, it's tabletop standard, but that doesn't mean all tabletop standards are created equal. Vince's TTS could be leaps and bounds ahead of person x and even take him less time but the amount of time person x and Vince both spend will be relatively short compared to their display or competition pieces.
@alexandregillemadstudio1765
@alexandregillemadstudio1765 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video!!!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@davea99
@davea99 4 жыл бұрын
Lol your tabletop is my Display 🤣 Gotta get myself a new airbrush!
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
It's generally a good investment.
@AviadMD
@AviadMD 4 жыл бұрын
This should include a bold disclaimer "everything covered in this video does not apply to James Wappel who occupies a space outside of this paradigm where models aren't painted to a certain standard, they're Wappeled into existence"
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, you're not wrong, but that's what 20 years of experience and full time painting will do for you. :)
@PatRick-ru7qe
@PatRick-ru7qe 4 жыл бұрын
These Ogors are still mindboggling to me. I couldn't do that stuff with an infinite ammount of time. That being said, I still have massive problems with the air brush. It doesn't seem to click for me and I even need a huge ammount of time to prime with it. Could very well have to do with the fact that it is a very cheap one... All in all my restraining factors are skill and patience. I'm going more for display quality (by your criteria), because I just like looking at them from time to time and don't want to do "only" tabletop level. Of course my "display quality" is probably somewhere between tabletop and display for others, as I still need so many time for going a little above tabletop and am just too "tired" of it at some point and call it a day (like you would for tabletop quality).
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
In the end, there is nothing wrong with that at all. If you are painting and learning, then you are doing it right. :)
@myhobbychannel1292
@myhobbychannel1292 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Vince like always a Really good tuts, i am makeing a blood Bowl team of Chaos but i am trying to make a handy glowing like the beastmen have powers from a some kind of god, can you make a tut that cover cover that topic. That's Will make My Day looooots better
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
So I already have a tutorial for it of sorts, because that would simply be OSL, I would say start there as that will give you the basics - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpvKmoSpot1km9E
@myhobbychannel1292
@myhobbychannel1292 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella thanks you are so kind
@farpointgamingdirect
@farpointgamingdirect 4 жыл бұрын
It's been my experience that competitions wind up coming down to who does the best base.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I will say that is not what you are going to find in high level competitions. Good basing is usually quite secondary and can often work against you. Top level contests usually want the minimum amount of space necessary to tell a story and all of that needs to be at the same level as the figure itself, so it's easy to hurt yourself with an excessive base. :)
@harrij.9542
@harrij.9542 4 жыл бұрын
For me, the centerpoint of the lizardman riding the dinosaur was the dinosaurs head. The music i find makes it harder to focus on your words. I would prefer without the music. Thanks,
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Totally fair, big cavalry like that is very interesting to balance.
@tando6266
@tando6266 4 жыл бұрын
I think of display as best painted level. Table top, im there to play, display, im here to win best painted
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I think that's fair, but of course, that is still based on outcome, and outcomes will vary wildly per person. :)
@emceha
@emceha 4 жыл бұрын
oh shit, so that's how you look like. Thanks for all the amazing content man.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
That is in fact what I look like. :)
@williamtrinidad3520
@williamtrinidad3520 5 күн бұрын
Watched!❤
@Ninjon
@Ninjon 4 жыл бұрын
SKINKER-DOO
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the Skiner-Doos
@Shadenuat
@Shadenuat 4 жыл бұрын
Not so long ago I listened to long interviews on russian with some of people I admire, Kanaev and Melnikov "Nakatan", and both of them stated the same thing: they don't care about difference between what's on the table and what is display. Partially it may be due to both of them being terribly modest (Nakatan also states he is not an artist, not a painter, just a hobbyist), partially because as they said it, there are armies played out there for thousands of dollars worth paintjobs made to extreme standard (Kanaev has marines army he plays and doesn't show nobody, because it's just his army to play); or maybe the difference in what constitutes "good" once you get fundamentals right is so arbitrary it becomes hard to make any judgement and give any ratings. Also I find it interesting how in traditional painting you can get away with stuff like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4XKmpeqq96oprM And it's interesting that at one point, realists did try hyper accurate approach, like painting everything up to eyelashes and little threads on a cloth upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Portrait_of_Georg_Gisze%2C_by_Hans_Holbein_the_Younger.jpg personally I find what is considered to be GD perfection exhaustive, and was happy to see for first time how say Marco Frisoni works. but then I am a terribly lazy person and MUST PRACTICE
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's easy to beat yourself up for being lazy, but I've never shipped that, for me, it's all about painted models and it's always okay to just get something painted, there is nothing wrong with that. :)
@mtuktuk9627
@mtuktuk9627 4 жыл бұрын
If i ever get to your Level of Tabletop quality i would be more then happy 🤣
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Well thank you, I appreciate that, but for me, the distinction will always remain, are you painting to time or quality, that's the real dividing line. :)
@azuritet3
@azuritet3 4 жыл бұрын
That background music is killing me dude.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry about that, I try to keep it minimal and in the background.
@Magicwillnz
@Magicwillnz 4 жыл бұрын
Partners? Jobs? Sleep? What so?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
All of low value for sure compared to painting. ;)
@Dynamitemedina
@Dynamitemedina 4 жыл бұрын
this video almost made me depressed.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Well, at least it was just almost. ;)
@OriginPainting
@OriginPainting 4 жыл бұрын
second : (
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 жыл бұрын
Trovarion got ya. :)
@OriginPainting
@OriginPainting 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinceVenturella he sure did, big meany 😏. Thanks for the video. The distinction between display and competition was well laid out.
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