Hobby Cheating 56 - Black Lining

[@gregarious_one]

I have been going back to lining (I used to in the Oldhammer Days but it was so obvious!). I am glad that you mentioned the Vallejo Grey Wash, which I have had sitting around and haven’t thought of best uses! Have a few of the other Vallejo washes as well.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, when you use something slightly softer like this, it makes all the difference, thinned down contrast paints can also be great for this.

[@ReefEco]

When do you suggest using a thinned acrylic for lining, and when should you use an thinned dark oil paint for panel lining? I'm painting mainly 40k, and starting with a space marine army. Thanks Vince!

[@VinceVenturella]

They both work fine. It's more a matter of if you want to go through the trouble (or have the option to clean up) with oil paints.

[@dlvnmedia]

i know I have grown to absolutely love the reaper grey liner alot fir shadows

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, that's another good product for this task for sure.

[@coreybailey9161]

I know uve probably been asked a milion times but what headphone/mic do you use? Im wanting to start a painting channel

[@VinceVenturella]

I wouldn't use mine, I still struggle with mic, I am using a gaming headset, most recommend this mic - www.amazon.com/Blue-Yeti-USB-Microphone-Blackout/dp/B00N1YPXW2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1476074184&sr=8-2&keywords=blue+microphone

[@bartekkucharski3880]

Hey. your favourite Plastic Goblin here. What about pin wash? much easier and faster.

[@VinceVenturella]

Well, a pin wash is a little different . It works best with things with channels (for example plates of armor, or plates of steel like a model airplane). The two techniques are related, as both rely on having something fairly fluid that follows the established edges you are "tracing."

[@bartekkucharski3880]

I use pin wash for it. Two joined elements create sort of a channel. Unfortunately this wont work with matt surface and wash will spread. Anyway thank you for another upload:)

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, one thing you can do on a flatter surface which I have also done is you run your wet brush without the wash across the area you want, then do the line or pin wash and it will tend to flow through the water. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@jasonnewman3355]

So out of curiosity why a round instead of a rigger? This is the kind of work I find my rigger excels at.

[@darkadrenaline8246]

Another super helpful tip. Thanks Vince! One question - I read somewhere that some people use a very fine ball point pen or marker to do the black lining on their miniatures, have you tried that or is it considered heresy? :)

[@VinceVenturella]

I have seen it done, they are usually using a Micron Pen (005 or .2mm). This is very popular with Gundam figures, where they make a whole line of pens specifically for this. I am not a fan as even at that thin, thin pen tip, it's too thick and too strong. Heresy? Nah, do what works for you, but I don't prefer it.

[@darkadrenaline8246]

Ok, yeah I can imagine that the lines will be too stark and maybe also too thick compared to what a fine tip brush can accomplish. Thanks again Vince!

[@OnceBitten360]

Yeah, that's what I have used in the past. It's much more heavy-handed than what you show here.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, I have found those can work in a pinch (or if you are doing like 100 halberdiers as you were). They are also great for vehicle armor plates.

[@RobertChisholm]

I don't use the wash technique for black lining often. On this horse I'd of painted the horse tack black then gone back over with the leather colors. Leaving a black line.

[@VinceVenturella]

Interesting, I don't paint up from Black as I zenithal everything, so this is one way to bring that hard black line back.

[@griffglowen5555]

Have you tried oils for black lining (such as products marketed as panel liners)? How do you find them?

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, panel liners, oil paints, black ink with flow improvers, I've used them all, they are all fine honestly, it's more about your workflow.

[@IDICBeer]

Nice share, I have painted that horse before, it's a nice model to paint

[@VinceVenturella]

It's a true classic, I have painted so many and have so many more to do. :)

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

I'm thinking Super Dungeon Explore miniatures, or any other models in a "Cartoonish" Style, is perfect for this technique.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, anything anime or cartoonish can really be enhanced by this, it's reminiscent of the normal drawings where we are used to seeing the black lines.

[@Titus_Vespasianus]

nice color scheme on the Bret. Knight...what colors did you use and do you have a tut. for it???

[@VinceVenturella]

I believe it was just blue and violet ink from Vallejo Game color over the Zenithal Highlighting. I don't have any tutorial on that specifically, but it's the same technique from any of my glazing over zenithal videos.

[@evil7ash]

I'm gonna go off topic and take this opportunity to thank you for showing me the light. Or, to be more specific, the zenithal highlight. I prep all my models using this technique nowadays and not only do they come out looking much better, they are also much easier and much more pleasant to paint. Thanks again for the most useful painting tip I've ever got!

[@VinceVenturella]

Glad to help, if I could pass one tip along to new painters, it would be do that. If I could stop the world painting up from black primer, I would die happily.

[@banditdeluxe1310]

What’s the difference between this and just edge highlighting in black

[@VinceVenturella]

Well, this is the in the reverse, because you're only dropping it intentionally into the deepest resources where as the edges are going to tend to gather light and get popped out by the darkness in the recess.

[@heimeg90]

Suggestion for topic: How to paint metal wings (gold, silver, brass or a mix)

[@VinceVenturella]

Good suggestion, added to the list!

[@MF-kv8cn]

do You think its easier to get a wash into the panel lines than lets say a contrast paint or a paint?

[@VinceVenturella]

THis was made before contrast paint, I actually love contrast with a few drops of flow improver for this purpose now.

[@mikebreazeale2563]

Okay...The same only different.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, you got it, same end goal, just slightly different materials and models/model areas.

[@caspianclaesson7237]

How di you paint skim

[@MaverickHunterJustin]

Now, is this something you use on every miniature, or are there specific situations where this technique is just not needed?

[@VinceVenturella]

No, as I said, it's fairly time consuming. Where it is quite useful is where a) You aren't using any dark washes (i.e. you have brighter colors), b) You have bright on bright but need to separate them c) you want a look of something very crisp and clean d) you have something with channels, like eldar vehicles. Those are just a few.

[@MaverickHunterJustin]

ok, cool. I'm gonna have to give this a try. thanks for clarifying :]

[@thomastaylor1254]

Thank you very much Mr Venturella, i have some liner paints and no idea how to use them!

[@VinceVenturella]

I find the reaper liners a bit thick, my suggestion would be to thin them some if you want to use them.

[@thomastaylor1254]

thanks, yes, i think you are likely right, they are almost solid!

[@markgnepper5636]

Great stuff friend 👏 👍

[@VinceVenturella]

Thank you 👍

[@ricvaz6583]

great video as always

[@VinceVenturella]

Thank you, that is very much appreciated.

[@mikebreazeale2563]

I gotta say that I have never heard of "black lining" before. I have been modeling for 40 + years and I guess I have always called what you are doing a pin wash, only in a different way. The same only different. I have always done cars and aircraft before and just getting started with figures. Great video and thanks for sharing...

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, for cars and airplanes etc. the pin wash is usually the technique of choice. They are close, but a pin wash is usually a little thinner and relies on having a channel for the thin ink/paint to flow through and/or a larger plane to wipe. In the end, they achieve largely the same effect just on different surfaces.

[@benhadaway3322]

Have you tried this using a Mircon Pen .005mm; I have and it works well, just make sure to keep the pen moving so you don't get a round area. If you mess up can always use a damp brush to wipe away the line and try again. I like it because the pin is fine tip and firm so you can rest it in the groove and feel the line easier than a brush IMO.

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, I have Micron pens in that size, for me, the line is just too thick, that being said, for speed and especially certain types of big armies (like old style Empire troops) they are a god-send.