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⛵️Instagram / totaljoyrider Here we are taking our newly rebuilt Hobie 14 for a shake down sail in the famous Vassiliki cross shore wind.
Testing the new OS3 Evo mainsail which was working very nicely.
Unfortunately after some testing the mast cam down due to a broken forestay. This was the only boat not to have new rigging in our fleet - it has new rigging now!
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[@SuperPalmin]

That professionalism at 15:50! Well played, Joe! 👍🏼

[@JoyriderTV]

Just in case I was going to make it as a separate video!

[@hobie_cat6015]

20:10 It is incredible how fast the boat sails without a sail! and that is the reason why you should never let go of the boat when you are in the water. You can not swim as fast as the boat does.

[@mboyer68]

I was on a big charter cat in Mexico and they didn't even have to hoist the sails. Wind on the hulls was enough to push her through the water even with a lot of people onboard.

[@erikcornelison6985]

Makes me miss my Hobie 14 I used to sail in Charleston, SC on the ocean. The Hobie's are fun fast little rockets!

[@kwakakak]

perfect reaction, saving the equipment first

[@Funsho97]

I can only hope that if that ever happened to me I would only hope that I would remain as calm as you did, you Sir are an expert!!! Love how the topic went from “giving it the beans” and going flat out to a “what to do if this happens” type of video!!! Glad it all worked out and you were okay Joe!!! Good job Sir and extremely informative!!!

[@cliffrenner9171]

Dropped the mast in the Atlantic off the coast of North Carolina in the 70's. My brother and I were on our 14, both sitting between the windward shroud when I heard a quiet ping. The shroud broke right about eye level in the moderate wind. What an distressing sight to watch your mast and sail fall into the ocean. After securing the mast we were able to hold up the boom with the sail attached and in combination with paddling limp our way to shore with a favorable cross wind. Glad you had someone to tow you in!

[@JoyriderTV]

It's certainly a good reason not to go out in offshore winds unless you have someone to tow you back.

[@amirmograbi]

I'm OK!

[@hobie_cat6015]

15:09 And Action!!! 15:15 Cut cut cut!!! :-) You just shod be your own Regisseur.

[@JoyriderTV]

Thanks!

[@Sailomatics]

That sail is just too powerful!

[@neilm4236]

Well done , Going for a swim is always nicer when it warm.🤙

[@npegg]

pre sail safety check video soon? shore spotter scenario , pre checklist, what to do style stuff.

[@porgiesplays6655]

just check your halet thats the worst thing that could happen i believe and your buoyoncy bungs

[@mboyer68]

It's deliberate of course!

[@JoyriderTV]

I don't know if it's possible to rig that deliberately - maybe take a hacksaw to the forestay and cut most of the wires. No, this was real.

[@williamschrade8719]

Great one, good to see what a pro would do. Thank goodness for Sea Tow!

[@JoyriderTV]

Yes indeed! Thanks

[@JamesDonatelli]

Hi Joe, it would be good to show what part failed. I have had the shroud adjuster fail at the weld and my mast came down on my Hobie 16. The rust had eaten the metal away under the chrome so it was difficult to see that the part was structurally compromised. Fortunately, no injuries with the mast coming down and I made a nice friend with a local motor boater who towed me back to the beach. I installed all new shroud and forestay adjusters after that. Now, if there is any rust showing on the chrome near the weld, I replace the part. I have learned the hard way that trying to get one more season out of a part may not be a wise strategy and that good maintenance protocols are inexpensive insurance.

[@JoyriderTV]

Hi James, it was the forestay that broke on this occasion - just next to the ferrule which seems to be the most common place for rigging to break.

[@Frisbeeninja2]

I am okay, also awesome video

[@Hobiefilmer]

All good here

[@TornadoCAN99]

Noted the windward shroud flexing the tramp side beam up & down when you are pushing hard. Guess it's the nature of the platform. Was quite concerned when I saw the tow line tied off to the dolphin striker post. That post cannot take much loading other than vertically. Its just a bit of alloy tubing and can easily bend or break from the towing forces. Much better to wrap around the beam at mast base.

[@JoyriderTV]

The rope tied around the dolphin striker is the capsize righting line (which is why it was there) It never occurred to me about it not being happy to be used as a towing point. I will make it new policy to take a turn around the beam before going forwards. Thanks for pointing this out.

[@hobie_cat6015]

In Mai 2008 we ware sailing an very old Hobie 21 at Stickel lake Garda and we have had the same problem. ;-) When Stickel arrived us, everything was complete packed. the sails were rolled up. the Wire's were sling around the mast and the mast was tied down tightly wive the Jib sheet on the Boat.

[@artlub8575]

It would be great if you show us a tutorial with essential sailing knots.

[@JoyriderTV]

coming up!

[@stefankrause4920]

Joe, love your channel, envy your wind! Great fun watching you, and trying to do the same. What do you think about a video showing best techniques keeping 1 bow above the water, keeping optimum speed? rudder, main sheet, traveller etc...would be nice!

[@JoyriderTV]

Video coming soon!

[@stefankrause4920]

@@JoyriderTV great!

[@hobie_cat6015]

21:53 Because you don't have to pull so much sheet. It's six times the distance less you save of the length of the snap shekel. And when I get ashore, I can take the pressure out of the sail with just one hand. Did I win something now? LoL ;-)

[@robraver]

Another belting video :) just awesome!! is this new design sail a standard fit for new Hobie 14's ? (still thinking of getting one) just love the fact they are so bloody quick. Have you tried the RS Cats yet?

[@JoyriderTV]

This sail is a custom sail from OS3 - more of a square top design than the original.

[@steverogers1976]

JB, how about the multi angle, slow mo replays of the Snap at 15:10???

[@JoyriderTV]

i think it's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXPcpIpnZt2Zr9E

[@wisenber]

I just came back and watched this again. (I'm using a Hobie Cat mast and sails on my trimaran.) Was it the port forestay that went? Was it a parts failure or a slip of the rigging? I generally don't have a safety boat nearby. If the mast wasn't rotating properly, I'd have to pump the brakes to see why before I kept heading out.

[@JoyriderTV]

The forestay snapped. Always a good idea to check everything before putting the mast up.

[@wisenber]

@@JoyriderTV Thanks for that. Steel cable can look fine on the outside and be shot on the inside. I switched to synthetic rigging for that very reason. My 19 ft marine plywood trimaran doesn't look nearly as exciting as a Hobie when she's approaching 20 knots and planing, but I can make a sandwich from the seat in the center using the foot rudder controls.

[@doobytvtheanti-tvoffakenew9143]

I was afraid the mast was going to break. It was perpendicular to the correct position. What caused this issue.

[@JoyriderTV]

It was the forestay that snapped.

[@avijitbasu6537]

Do you use any àntifog on your helmet camera. I use dishwashing liquid for the action camera. But you do get some diffraction in bright sunlight

[@JoyriderTV]

all i do is lick it! Although in my latest video (coming later this evening) I have a foggy time

[@npegg]

"lifestyle sailing Vasiliki bay"

[@adeshsims]

Where is your place bro ? look pretty lovely spot ;)

[@JoyriderTV]

This action is at Wildwind, Vassiliki, Lefkas, Greece and it is as good as it looks!

[@stevenvachon9745]

The forestay just couldn't handle dem beans.... Nice one Joe! Hey, can you tell me or post a link to the clip shackle you use? Specifically looking for the size, I don't want to get too small but not too big either.

[@JoyriderTV]

I'll measure one and let you know.

[@stevenvachon9745]

I should have clarified it was for the main block to the boom and it's for a 16, if it makes a difference.

[@JoyriderTV]

@@stevenvachon9745 no problem, I'll measure one tomorrow

[@JoyriderTV]

@@stevenvachon9745 check out the latest quick tips video - it's in there now!

[@stevenvachon9745]

@@JoyriderTV, yes that's awesome and thanks for doing that. Unfortunately for me the nearest marine dealer that would have that type of specialize product is a 2 hr drive so I will probably have to rely on online purchases which doesn't have detailed dimensions. Amazon for example only has 2 dimensions for their snap shackles ie: 3cn x 6.8cm (which seems to be the smallest I can find). Perhaps another item to include in your online store?

[@leftvassis]

Would more downhaul have prevented this?i kept thinking throughout the video that it was too lose and putting unnecessary stress on the boom

[@JoyriderTV]

It would have gone regardless i think. I've put a bigger boom on now so that I can flatten the bottom of the sail more

[@leftvassis]

@@JoyriderTV good solution.Also,do hobie 16s have a spinnaker or are they jib only?

[@JoyriderTV]

@@leftvassis It is an option to have spinnaker on the 16. We have ours without as we're sailing in strong winds most days.

[@GearreportdotCom]

At about 6:50 or 7:00 looked like a lot of mast bend. Is that normal?

[@JoyriderTV]

I think it might have been bending a little more than usual because the mast was over rotating. There's always going to be a fair bit as the mast is quite thin.

[@robbie77300]

Masts do curve a little, but probably some camera lens distortion mostly here.

[@foiler]

“Im gunna try to sail it back with my helmet!” PMSL. Now THAT I would be worth a joyrider TV vid. How to rescue yourself with your helmet. However, I see an issue here with Girls.

[@JoyriderTV]

There's some windage on that bad boy!

[@mrwhatevz8907]

Whats the highest seas a person would take one of these things 14 or 16? Ive never seen any out the back of the ocean or anything..?

[@JoyriderTV]

I should think about 2m would be enough but depends on the wind, direction, launching etc

[@transient0126]

Hey Joseph, I'm looking at either a Hobie 14 or a Windrush 14 for my first cat. I keep reading that the Hobie 14 isn't as buoyant and is more twitchy. What are its advantages compared to the Windrush? I like it more...maybe that's all that matters.

[@JoyriderTV]

The Hobie 14 will be much more challenging to sail. The Hobie 14 will keep challenging you for ever whereas the wind rush will be much easier and forgiving. This is a great topic that I will discuss in this Friday's Q+A Cheers

[@jimwapelhorst3328]

Pulling on the dolphin striker?

[@JoyriderTV]

The central rod can handle it. Perhaps around the beam is better but the 14 is a very light boat

[@TomKirkman1]

Where can you find one of those sails?

[@JoyriderTV]

you can order your Evo mainsail from [e-mail]

[@marciogoncalves8821]

Eu não vi todo lance ,,,🙏 mas creio em quebra de algum Brandal ,ou estai de proa ... E o mastro não se aguentou em pé....

[@JoyriderTV]

Yes, the forestay broke and the rest was history!

[@romaingrosjean1834]

Hi. Are you planning making Custom Joyrider TV sails. Giving it the beans? I’d actually want to purchase one for a H16.

[@JoyriderTV]

Not not sails. That's a bit too juicy for me and our favoured sailmaker OS3 saildesign has got too many sails to make already! Thanks for asking though

[@xiavalencia9939]

i am living in philippines and in that case no 1 for rescue me .... can you please tell us what to do in the middle of the sea alone if it happen .thank you. Pascal

[@JoyriderTV]

All that you can do is pack the mast and sail as well as possible and start paddling. If there is a strong wind you have a perhaps 20 degree angle of where you will end up downwind. Take a phone in a dry bag so that you can call for help if it happens. Replace your rigging every 3 years.

[@baptistebeauvoir9112]

What's different about Hobie 14 and Hobie 16? what better? excuse me i'm french and i suck english

[@JoyriderTV]

The 16 is for 2 people and the 14 is for 1 person. The 14 is much smaller and more difficult, but really fun in the strong wind.

[@mickeyricketts6987]

I’m ok

[@JoyriderTV]

🤩

[@arthurdavidfrench-stgeorge1001]

Do the hobie 14 have a weakness in design

[@JoyriderTV]

I'll talk about this in today's Q+A Cheers

[@adventureswithfrodo2721]

Can you say self rescue.

[@JoyriderTV]

you could keep the mainsail on the mast and get more wind assisted downwind sailing. Unless you paddle you'll always be restricted to only being able to go downwind.

[@bobgoforth7030]

Self rescue is possible on a 14 but not easy. On time I had a shroud that I knew was questionable so I took an older spare shroud that I had with me on the boat. Sure enough the shroud in quetion broke and the mast came down. I took the sail off the mast, cleaned up the boat, replaced the shroud, restepped the mast on the water and sailed home with no assistance. I was able to do this because we used to run really lose rigs on the 14s back in the day so you could step and unstep the mast with the standing rigging connected. I had about 12 knots of breeze and 1 to 2 foot chop.

[@lordvezzon6188]

Hello. Would it make any difference with a two pieces mast? Any chance to get the two parts apart and loose anything? I just got a very old HC 14 to resume sailing with my 8yo kid.

[@JoyriderTV]

As long as the mast doesn't leak there shouldn't be any difference. It certainly won't come apart once the boat is rigged.

[@duku9738]

why would i be hurt when the mast fell?

[@JoyriderTV]

It's unlikely but I just wanted to check. When anything like that happens - mast down, capsize, anything else unexpected where you end up somewhere out of the ordinary, It's very good practice to check that everyone is OK immediately. On this occasion although I was solo I did it almost as a reflex but also to highlight that point.

[@earling22]

Where are we?

[@JoyriderTV]

Vassiliki on the Greek Island of Lefkada - wildwind.co.uk

[@npegg]

what exactly failed?

[@JoyriderTV]

The forestay at the top just below the ferrule

[@jaysparc]

Haulin' ass mate.

[@Violins_]

Hobie 14 wakeboarding???

[@JoyriderTV]

wakeboating

[@riccardom7129]

Hi I'm a beginner... to start you recommend me a hobie cat 16?

[@JoyriderTV]

The 16 brings with it some challenges. The Hobie 15 is a more suitable beginners boat but if you want one boat to last you forever the 16 would be the one. It will be more difficult to start with and you'll need to only go out in lighter wind but it is possible.

[@riccardom7129]

@@JoyriderTV thanks... otherwise what catamaran do you recommend?

[@JoyriderTV]

@@riccardom7129 a good choice would be the Dart 16, possibly easier to find a used one than the Hobie 15.

[@riccardom7129]

@@JoyriderTV in italy It's difficult to find dart 16 or hobie 15 😭

[@JoyriderTV]

@@riccardom7129 Hobie 16 it is then! Just start off with less wind

[@thearizonawildmandoessomes3624]

I love watching you ride that Cat like a Skateboard on the trap. You are always cool, Joseph! Check out when I met the other Flying Fish on Lake Roosevelt, it was champagne sailing! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5CmpWqFrpZ2msU

[@JoyriderTV]

For some reason I read cat on a skateboard, which is pretty cool too!

[@kaimccallum3317]

I did the exact same thing last weekend wtf? 😂 I sail a Arrow Cat. If u want to see it u can check my channel. I love your vids mate keep up the great work!!!