They're All Wrong!! The REAL TRUTH About Todays Music!

[@RecordingStudioLoser]

YES! It's exausting to hear people dump on music. It ignores the efforts of everything happening around those individuals, and frankly shows their laziness to not hunt for something they enjoy but to complain that somehow the entire generation is doomed to bad music. If your mad at what apeals to the masses, then don't listen to what apeals to the masses. It's such a strange argument.

[@hoborec]

Eyyy Jeremy! I could have made the video a lot shorter just saying that 🤣

[@RecordingStudioLoser]

@@hoborec no please rant... your in good company

[@RainbowRadioLab]

Jeremy- absolutely! You know? In 1986 I couldn't understand what people thought was so great about Bon Jovi. But millions loved them, so I set out to find out why. I discovered that pop music is also great, and that has broadened, not narrowed my scope.

[@zeenuf00]

Today's pop music is neutered garbage

[@colorchaser]

We need to distinguish between pop music and "music" as a whole. The Top 40 vs all that's available. What's your favorite Zulu war chant? What about Mark Isham's Windham Hill releases? Gypsy Jazz? World Music? The average listener's palette is so small that these discussions are essentially irrelevant. Everything is streaming now, so of course there's a lot of "back in my day syndrome" but it has less to do with the music and more to do with the quality of experience. Music recording used to be a somewhat holy rite for musicians that very few people had access to. I don't think it's a delusional need to have my childhood validated as much as being inundated by media 24/4 (most of which my ears don't care for) The commercialization of music is absolutely relentless these days and 20 second blips on tik-tok and clever "placements" now drive the market. So, I don't know if Rick Beato et al always narrate their sentiments perfectly, but I I'm not going to pretend that I don't understand the general message.

[@hoborec]

Absolutely! I were never interested in the mainstream music anyways so this "problem" doesn't really touch me. I tend to hate the commercial pop a little less these days though. But there are so many explanations to why that could be. I hope you didn't take my "debate piece" video as that I don't recognise all the alternative genres of music. I just wanted to provide some perspective to people who are concerned that the top charting pop music are declining. I think all people over a certain age understand that general message. I just got tired of it and rather aim the little "anger" I have towards things that actually matter haha.

[@autobapt]

What I miss about todays market is giving bands a huge amount of time and resources to write/record albums. There are obviously many bad examples of records being overdone - but also example albums that would never been made without the patience given to the artists. I like the idea of an album getting on the billboard without having a single on it. The album as a thing seems to be dead now, as an artist/band you are encouraged to release singles in shorter intervals. Making an album is a a bad use of resources. It would also be interesting to see statistics and trends around organic instruments being used. When was the last time we heard a guitar or drum solo on the radio? Can think of a few at tops. Everything evolves, but trends comes and goes. Thanks for a nice episode!

[@hoborec]

I get what you mean but it can also be flipped the other way. These days you don't need a lot of money to make a really good pre-prod and writing demo. I bet there are tons of records released today that would never have been able to be made in the early days. At the same time back then some artists had super weird record deals where they were obligated to release a certain amount of albums within a specific time, resulting in a lot of crap from otherwise iconic bands. To get attention you're right about the album/single situation. Established bands do still release albums successfully. It was never a good idea for a new band to come out and release a full album the first thing. We tried the whole thing with singles with the band I have with my girlfriend. We released one song each month for a full year and got some good attention for it. When all the songs were released we made it in to a physical album and started a whole new release process which was also relatively successful. I think you need to get outside the box a little bit. There's no rule that says you can't release every song of an album as singles before releasing the album =) Don't know about solos but organic instruments have come and gone right? Late 90's feels like it had a lot of rock influenced pop. No doubt and stuff like that.

[@RainbowRadioLab]

No you just have to produce your own. I'm 40% completed on a self-produced double album. See 30 years ago it took a few hundred thousand dollars to record a commercial album. Today you can do it at home.

[@GRedit1000]

Apart from the clickbaity title I enjoyed that. Music has always been a money game and therefore the current winning "formula" will be copied until people get tired of it and there is a new winning formula. Almost every original pop/rock icon we admire today, like e.g. Bowie, Pink Floyd, Sabbath, Prince, Led Zep, Neil Young… you name it, actually all started as underground until their formula got traction. I started to get into music in the early 80s with Joy Division, the Cure and Birthday Party / Bad Seeds and literally nobody knew about them except for a few. Cure and Bad Seeds play arena shows now. Joy Division are legendary. That still baffles me sometimes. I would never have thought at the time.

[@hoborec]

I'm still learning to balance this thing. Can you elaborate on when it get's too click baity? I genuinely thought click bait was when you lure people to watch something that doesn't really keep that "promise". In this case I just wanted to effectively communicate what the video is about. You might not have watched it otherwise right?! But I don't want to be all cheesy either, I'm open for critique and suggestions.

[@GRedit1000]

@@hoborec They can't all be wrong. basically.

[@RainbowRadioLab]

Hear, hear! I'm a generation ahead, and trust me the 70s were no better: Disco Duck, Convoy, Junk Food Junkie... but let's not forget such composing giants as Kiss... Plus, the really important change is the one Beato et Al has ignored completely: 30 years ago only those who had a record deal even got to record at all! We have 60,000,000 independent releases in 2024. Many are undoubtedly very creative. Many, including my own, reflect a past musical tradition made new. Almost NONE are part of the mainstream music industry which isn't even paying artists anyway. How relevant is that? One last thing. The day Rick Beato writes a better hit song than Taylor Swift, I'll eat my '71 Strat. I've subscribed to your channel, thanks!

[@hoborec]

Haha right on! The democratisation of music is amazing really . Plus now it's much easier to chose what to listen too. Even though that can be a challenge in it self. Thank you so much!

[@Non-Doctors-Music]

Well, many of us know that pop music has been a polished turd for a long time. We're just sick of the fact that 'pop music' gets forced on us especially in monocultural societies. Personally, I now live in China and music is much more diverse. Big scenes in live music - particularly live metal, death metal, punk and thrash. Also K-pop. J-pop, and C-pop can be heard everywhere as well as some western music. Even a lot of trad music and Christmas songs (anytime of the year - if you've never heard Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer at 42 degrees and burning sun you've not had an interesting time. 🙂

[@hoborec]

Ha that is so cool to hear! But one good thing is that now it's much easier to choose what to listen too. You don't have to be fed the same crap all day by the radio or tv. You have access to exactly what you like at basically any time.

[@EncoreASMR]

There is one problem with (post-2000s) modern music: compression and loudness. Today's music is too perfect and overly produced. Truth is most music since the 1950s has suffered from poor songwriting and repetitive beats. Yes, there are bad pre-1950s music as well, but not to this extent. On the contrary, there are also great musicians around if you work hard to find them.

[@RealHomeRecording]

Hyper compression is definitely a huge problem. I don't know why anybody would purchase music that is physically defective!

[@hoborec]

So you're mostly in to classical music, jazz and old stuff then? The pop culture started at the end of 1950's early 1960 so I guess it has something to do with that. When entertainment became a commercial product. But as I said here a couple of times before. All that good old music is still around and will never be destroyed by anything new.

[@hoborec]

People buy ripped jeans and road worn guitars....

[@RealHomeRecording]

@@hoborec haha, true! And I recently saw Louder Than Liftoff selling "train wrecked" analog audio hardware on their site. Cost? A "cheap" 3,000 smackeroos!

[@pete7164]

Im 50 years old and iIlive in a major metropolitan area (one of the 5 biggest, in fact) in the U.S. I can honestly say that our local music scene is the best it's been since the mid 1990s. Great music is out there, it just isnt on the radio, and thats been true for a long time

[@hoborec]

So happy to hear this! Is there also many younger bands in rock genres coming up now? Seems to have been a bit of age gap.

[@StereotacticMusic]

The level of production has never been better than now in all styles of music .

[@hoborec]

Exactly. Then on the other hand that's not always the best choice for particular songs but that's a matter of taste.

[@Probos-Sound]

This is a great video and perspective on the subject. I've been subbed to Beato's channel for several years and he likes to constantly rant about this and how modern music (specifically pop) is hot garbage. As you demo'd I do think it's a pretty relative thing across the decades. I'm in my 50s and have a wide range of things I enjoy. I constantly search for new music and want to be inspired by it -- and there is plenty out there. I have friends in my age range and even younger that have adopted the standard attitude of "music was so much better in MY DAY". I always tell them,...."Well, maybe but probably not. You need to try harder."

[@hoborec]

Maybe that is exactly what was "better in my day". Not so many choices so it was easy to find the good ones.

[@StevePhoenix]

Thank you for being the voice of reason in this conversation. I enjoy music from many different eras, but I mainly listen to modern metal and honestly the only qualitative changes I've noticed between the different eras have to do with the technical limitations of the time period, which many engineers of the past did their best to overcome. Trends come and go, but good songs stand the test of time and I reckon many modern songs people like Beato bemoan will be classics in 30 years time. A thing I would like to add personally is people need to stop constantly using the term "overproduced". The term means "more polished than it should be" and that's not an objective standard. Every artist has their own artistic vision and only they can determine whether the end result is overproduced or not. Also love your shirt.

[@hoborec]

Thank you! That's a great addition, and very important! I'm guilty of it myself every now and then tbh. I guess it goes hand in hand with me identifying with making a bit more rough productions and that I like it that way. But depending on who you ask a lot of people would consider my work over produced as well. Heil Seitan! 🥕

[@TheLeon1032]

fucking extremely interesting take on this, for yrs ive been sick and slightly depressed recording bands for the organ grinder of modern music, copy paste autotune bla bla bla, for the last yr ive not recorded n had a brake from music, that's made me less sceptical and had way more enjoyment listening to music, im realising we live in good times for creativity. fuck social media though, it waters the experience down vastly, great video

[@hoborec]

Thank you soo much, means a lot! Yeah, social media is really a blessing and a curse especially for musicians. It's democratising the marketing thing since it's easy to connect with lots of people. But fuck it's exhausting.

[@davidduston1611]

I go to Old Time fiddle jams. Every song sounds the same

[@RealHomeRecording]

😂❤

[@hoborec]

Actually a good point!

[@agork]

Yeah so what you are saying is that all the pop shit isn’t shit it’s just pop and it was always shit unless you happen to like it. Gotcha bro

[@hoborec]

Haha, something in that direction. Maybe should have added you should quit wasting your energy hating on what you don't like and go enjoy what you do like. There has never been more of it than now.

[@iiwdpn]

The Warning, Freeze The Fall, The Sixsters, Pacifica and Plush to name a few i jam too.

[@zeenuf00]

The Warning is boring.

[@iiwdpn]

@@zeenuf00 if your trying to trigger me it's not going to happen. suffer from ptsd and learned to just ignore your intent and educate. thanks for the opportunity to let you know you can cause real harm with those of us that have suffered trauma. be good to one another and ROCK ON !!

[@hoborec]

I didn't know about the Warning... had to do a little check on KZbin and realised I saw their Metallica cover around when it came out some ten years ago haha.

[@iiwdpn]

@@hoborec Freeze The Fall are a young/new band inspired by The Warning. you can ask Freeze The Fall questions yourself if interested. they will pop in here if want.

[@Oliver-ty7xu]

Bra video Uffe! Jag personligen är en bakåtsträvare av rang, men det handlar mer om personligt intresse, roligare att gräva i gamla skivbackar än att leta efter det nya hippa. Och ja, pop musiken från 80-talet är fruktansvärt!!

[@hoborec]

Helt berättigat förhållningssätt! Jag är nog varken eller. Jag gillar det jag gillar och det påverkas inte eller hotas inte av vad som råkar vara populärt just nu. Du behöver inte titulera dig som bakåtsträvande föresten, kör på musikalisk arkeolog istället 😁

[@Oliver-ty7xu]

@@hoborec haha, bra titel. Ska skriva det på mitt CV!

Also the argument that the music had more value because you had to take the bike or bus to the record store, pay for the album, but now you just search for it on spotify.. You can still do it the old way. Many times I have found bands on internet that only have released on vinyl or even if they are on spotify, I can order the vinyl. And sometimes they are sold out and I have to really hunt the album down. Was waiting 8 months for one album. The feeling when it finally arrived.. wow!! And I discover allot of new bands via youtube and spotify. Before I had to read about them in a fanzine, and often forgot about it one hour later.

[@hoborec]

Isn't that the same with everything when older people devalue younger peoples ways. Video games are not as good as playing with pine cones etc...

[@Jazzguitar00]

I started looking for music on the internet real heavy in 2001 and I haven't got tired of finding new bands yet. That's different than trying to sort through the what's trending or what normies say. If you have good sources of information (or if you don't mess up your algorithms tbh) new stuff is easy to find.

[@hoborec]

A producer friend of mine has a daily routine to listen to new music for a certain time every day to keep updated. It sounds very romantic when you say it. Maybe I should give it a try. My girlfriend feeds me with great new music though 😁

[@SmokingNunRecordings]

Excellent video!! the slow zoom when reading the lyrics went crazy 😂🤘

[@hoborec]

Hahaha thanks Alex

[@stevedoesnt]

I’m definitely down for a good hard reality check on our taste, judgment and comparison. I think for me, some of the things I feel like I’m missing is a lack of risk and adventure and less predictability. But then again, maybe this says more about the music I let myself be surrounded by. I’m very bad at seeking out new things to like.

[@hoborec]

But that's nothing new is it? The really great piece of music that comes around every now and then that survives the time is not really the norm.

[@jlande6]

Excellent! Spot on. Love the way you intro-d the vid...so perfect. Long live creativity....and sarcasm, haha

[@hoborec]

Thank you so much 🙏

[@teddnagurski5583]

6:10 "pop music was never as diverse as we like to pretend it was" Oh Bullshit. Here are just some of the Top 40 songs from 1979: "My Sharona" - The Knack "Le Freak" - Chic "Y.M.C.A." - Village People "I Will Survive" - Gloria Gaynor "When You're in Love with a Beautiful Woman" - Dr. Hook "Heart of Glass" - Blondie "What a Fool Believes" - The Doobie Brothers "The Logical Song" - Supertramp "My Life" - Billy Joel "I Want You to Want Me" - Cheap Trick "The Gambler" - Kenny Rogers "Hold the Line" - Toto "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" - The Charlie Daniels Band "Rock 'n' Roll Fantasy" - Bad Company "Boogie Wonderland" - Earth, Wind & Fire & The Emotions "Sultans of Swing" - Dire Straits "Chuck E.'s In Love" - Rickie Lee Jones "Lonesome Loser" - Little River Band "Renegade" - Styx "I Was Made for Lovin' You" - Kiss "September" - Earth, Wind & Fire "Time Passages" - Al Stewart "Double Vision" - Foreigner "Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough" - Michael Jackson "Bad Case of Loving You (Doctor, Doctor)" - Robert Palmer "Somewhere in the Night" - Barry Manilow "We've Got Tonight"- Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band "Dance the Night Away" - Van Halen

[@hoborec]

Yeah that might have been strongly worded haha. There have obviously been some good periods.

[@frankwalter6975]

Good points . But, Production is one thing and writing and composing a Song is the other Part. Where are the Songs today in the charts who have the same great composing, lyrics and performance like Stairway to Heaven, Bohemian Rapsody, the Riddle (so many different keys), tears in heaven, Tonight Tonight, Old Man, englishman in New York, another day in paradise and so on? Big love for Shirt, btw. ❤

[@hoborec]

I think there a lot of great songs made still. But it will be very hard to get up on the throne with all the classics that are already there. It's not like they're going away. I just have a problem when some compare Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd with Justin Bieber for example. It's not a fair comparison and there were a lot of music worse than Bieber back then too. Based on the music you mention, have you checked out Greta Van Fleet and The New Pornographers? They had multiple songs on the charts the last decade. Thanks, Heil Seitan 🥕

[@frankwalter6975]

@ Thanks for the recommendations!

[@danireych]

There are still great compositions which make the charts. For example "hi ren" by Ren is masterpiece, Jacob Collier does crazy vocal harmonies, animals as leaders combine extreme metal and jazz with success. Personally I care about great rhythm and a melancholic vibe, and I never had such a breath of new releases that I love like in recent years. For me personally charts don't matter anymore, as I can avoid radio and tv. Here are some great and mostly lesser known artist from my. Ahab Akala Alluvial Anachronism Antimatter ....

[@jeffbridges6110]

You reading those lyrics was killing me lol.. This is a great video. I think your best one so far. Though I do like them all.

[@hoborec]

Thank you so much! Yeah this was fun to make. First time I made something so well planed and scripted. I'll do more of that for sure, mixed in with the more technical stuff.

[@oneammonday]

I was 18 in 1985 and I would have probably hated 2/3 of that album back then. Just listen to as much music as you can. Like what you like. If you make music, work at it. Make your music exciting and don't skimp.

[@hoborec]

Sounds like a healthy approach

[@Tannehillin]

I’ve been blocking any music creator, who is suggested to me who is a top 40 artist or close. And my algorithm right now has all kinds of suggestions for music from unknown artists from all over the world and I tell you what… check out Ginger root, Kit Sebastian, the little more well-known Chaos Chaos, FYNE, Fazerdaze, Leprous, Igorrr, Alice Phoebe Lou, Shadreck chimonya and the small boys… all of these are practically unknown yet they make amazing music with no auto-tune or teams of writers. As far as I’m concerned today’s top 100 artists, at least most of them, are comparable to individually wrapped, American cheese singles. Over processed, packed with fillers and plastic, with no nutritional value. Nothing for the soul. It’s the difference between a guitar built by a luthier and a guitar built in a factory on an assembly line. The “top 40 factory” puts out cheap guitars that “pass” as far as sound goes, but to true appreciators of quality instruments, they sound like garbage. The problem with the music industry is that the masses don’t know what good music is. Just look at how big songs like, “Achy Breaky heart”, “Gangnam Style”, “who let the dogs out”, “mambo number five” “Disco duck” just to name a few. Just look at the top 40, since there’s been a top 40. It’s packed full of industry plants and Nashville molds that are ultimately just piles of turds, polished up by a team of professionals to serve the masses bread when what the masses need is meat. I thought the meat was gone, but it’s out there, you just have to go looking for it. you have to train your algorithm to ignore the music industry suggested music and go hunt down your own “Soul Food”.

[@hoborec]

That's a great tip to find new music that connects better with your taste. And I like your last line about Soul Food. Just because Mac Donalds sells most food in the world no one expects them to have any were close to the best food. Yet people enjoy eating there when they just want something easy and cheap.

[@KeytarKris]

This is why I like bands who record in a studio. At least there is music filled with human nuance, dynamic contrast, and “happy accidents”. Digital music can’t do that.

[@hoborec]

I'm with you there! 100%

[@krowland7584]

There's so much good music getting produced today it's kind of insane. Just cause its not on your spotify feed or on a Clear Channel affiliate doesn't mean all modern music sounds the same or is complete dog shite. Every generation had objectively bad and/or fad based music.

[@hoborec]

Absolutely. Just because it's cheaper and easier than ever to produce crap it doesn't take away the fact that the same counts for good music too.

[@unclemick-synths]

Remember, the Beatles sang "Love me do" with a straight face.

[@hoborec]

Hahaha Beatles are apparently a sensitive subject 😆

[@unclemick-synths]

@@hoborec I don't mind them but the only song I dislike more than "Love me do" is "I just called to say I love you". I guess every genius has a day when they just have to get that cheesey song out of their system 😀

[@FlyingBystander]

Yup, very level headed and laid back discussion. As far as desert island records go - I'd go with After the Gold rush 1970 and Mezzanine 1998 :)

[@hoborec]

Oh, if you pack both discs on one cover I'll allow it ;)

[@codycreepcore]

Not much to say other than hell yea Brother! Also great pick for a desert island album.

[@hoborec]

Haha thanks 🙏 So what album would you bring?

[@codycreepcore]

@@hoborec Rum Sodomy & The Lash by The Pogues

[@That__Guy]

Yeah that’s what I’m commenting all the time on Rick Beato’s videos. Most that bring the argument “back in my day it was better” compare average modern pop songs with the few exceptional mega songs of the past. But if they had compared it to those average pop songs of their time it wouldn’t be any different.

[@hoborec]

Thanks, this is my point. Compare apples to apples right?

[@mattvdh]

Ya man I agree 100%. I am 42 and I remember how much absolute shit you have to fast-forward/skip over when you bought an album in the 80s/90s. Todays music is quite good, I think people are just spoiled for options and can't decide what's good anymore because the standards are so high. People consider the golden age of music to be the 1950s or 60's but I've dug into that rabbit hole and there's even more bullshit to dig out from that era. It was so expensive to record anything back then that they had to make a lot of compromises on time and quality...so the listener usually only got 1 good song on an album. And don't get me started on how bad sounding punk and metal was back then. Todays demos are better than most EP's back then.

[@hoborec]

Not to mention the skill level of most local metal bands compared to way back.

[@katatonisk]

Dina glasögon är minst lika snygga som mina. Så är det över 40. Det är bara att gilla läget! 🤘

[@hoborec]

Jag var glasögonorm när jag var liten men blev av med det då. Men nu känns det lite nytt och fräscht på nått sätt 😊

[@paszTube]

Hi Ulf, I'm of a similar age (a bit older...) and whenever I walk into a public place that plays modern pop music (say, stores), I think "wow, modern pop music sucks". But I think you're right. Pop music has always had one goal: Stick in your head. And I would add: sound recognizable, meaning: sound like other hot pop music of that time. I think that every decade has a ton of mediocre shit pop music but there are gems. I'm sure that nowadays there are gem pop songs too, it's just that I don't listen to modern pop anymore :P. I'm too old for that shit maybe ;)? Desert island album? That's easy! It's "We Get Requests" by the Oscar Peterson Trio! Hail Seitan BTW!

[@hoborec]

I remember when I used to work at the post office and had to listen to the radio every day, I hated the radio pop. Now I almost never hear it and at the few times I do I often get impressed with lots of it, even if it's not my taste at all. The gems are what survived I think. It will be harder and harder to come up with those gems since the old ones still live. Ah thanks for sharing the desert island album!!

[@Kenneth-F]

Bästa avsnittet hittills. Det här är din grej. Kör hårt!

[@hoborec]

Tack fan vad kul att höra. Tog dock en jävla tid haha

[@Kenneth-F]

@hoborec Det var det värt!

[@DeformedDevices]

Also there were sooooooooooooo many Beatles and Sabbath copies that have been lost to history. Motown put out a lot of great hits and if you really listen to it, it probably kind of all sounded the same, but it was really good sounding because of the point you make that there just wasn't that many artists in reality where nowadays because the industry has changed, they don't put the same money into these pop artists. It's just about cranking them out.

[@hoborec]

I'm a bit conspiratorial towards the fact that there are so little "real" instruments and studio recorded stuff on the top charts now. I'm convinced it's because it's much cheaper to push it out quick. And with streaming there are no upfront cost of manufacturing either. Just throw as much out there as possible and see what sticks, instead of building a solid foundation. Guess I full on contradict what I'm saying in the video now haha.

[@DeformedDevices]

@@hoborec I think you are right though. It is both cheaper and its so easy for even home studios to fix it. I think I listen to far to much indie and doom so I am more used to hearing the mistakes and the noise. I prefer it. The best albums I have ever heard lack "perfection" for depth and real sound.

[@DeformedDevices]

My criticism of Beato is that he's not wrong he's just short sighted. Top of the charts is mostly trash. But except for a few wonderful eras that has always been the case. Have to dig down a little to find real touring musicians making the great stuff. I mean that was the same until they elevated Nirvana.

[@timbrownhill7272]

I'm 49, and there has never been a better time in music than now. There's almost too much good stuff to get to it all. I love it. There's more bands and more musicians getting to record and release stuff now than ever before. Is there a lot of sh*t, yes, but there's a lot of amazing stuff too.

[@hoborec]

Yeah with 100.000 new released on Spotify daily there's some stuff to sort through hehe.

[@CaptPostmod]

They never account for the sieve of time. There's a certain Darwinism in place to any type of culture, whether it be music, movies, books, plays, etc. Each year a thousand or a million songs are put out. 100 of those become hits. And then 10 years later we only remember the best 50 of those hundred. And 20 years later we remember the best 10 of those hundred, etc. So then the past looks much shinier because all the dross has been lost to time.

[@hoborec]

This is exactly it!

[@GearStuffandThings]

There are so many great artists out there.

[@hoborec]

Sometimes I get really upset about the amount of awesome recordings I've done with bands that basically none have heard.

[@unclemick-synths]

They haven't released them yet but there must be cuneiform tablets complaining about the state of modern music.

[@hoborec]

Hahaha

[@studiolivkba]

I´m mostly sad about the lost years of recording 1993-1996? The Studers where collecting dust because Session 8 was the shit! (Note, it was! or the adda:s of those times..)

[@hoborec]

I wonder if that's the same time span where I hate all snare sounds haha

[@studiolivkba]

@@hoborec L1 on stealth?

[@metrisk8]

"pastism" is a common human bias, we tend to only remember the good thing of the past and idolize it (hello conservatism). Also, that is a weird elitism to keep telling that popular musics are inherently less good or not valuable. I agree with you and I unsubscribe from Rick beato because of this :) :) :) I love that you point out the sexism in the industry too!

[@hoborec]

Yeah I just realised that the kind of pastism as you say is what Beato is doing and people get all riled up about it. It's kind of a dangerous mechanism tbh. The inequality of the genders surprised me. I actually didn't think the gap was still that big. Differences that big is not by chance.

[@metrisk8]

@@hoborec Exactly, It is not mere luck that make thoses gaps.. And it's everywhere in the society. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@dougleydorite]

Damn. Great discussions!

[@hoborec]

Thank you very much!

[@MattnUska]

My one desert island record would probably be no record at all. If I listen to one thing too much I start hating it. I’ll just figure out how to make my own music with the coconuts and rocks. Haha.

[@hoborec]

You could have a record and make coconut beats too... just saying.

[@MattnUska]

@ that’s a good point.

[@andreasrowicki6393]

Neil Young - Harvest! Great choice Ulf!

[@hoborec]

What's yours? =)

[@neb999]

I agree totally!

[@hoborec]

Me also! 😁

[@divinenothuman8777]

Hey man, as promised, here I am. Cool video, not as controversial as I thought 😁 but it's really cool and I agree with you, especially in some parts! I've subscribed too 💪 My desert island record: Jeff Buckley-Grace

[@hoborec]

Haha sweet! Hope you’re not disappointed 😅 Good choice! 1994 is one of my favourite years for records.

[@divinenothuman8777]

Absolutely not disappointed! Your thoughts are really there in-between both views. I totally respect and agree with that but we could talk about this subject for ever 😁

[@kristofdevlamynck4786]

Saw Sleep Token on Tuesday and Idles,Gojira last year...so I still have faith in good music. Grew up on Roxy Music, Dire straits, Boney M and Abba thx to my parents. Also 43 years old, so my Music went from Slayer,Nirvana, thunder dome to Ace of Base,because all she wants is....😂

[@hoborec]

Amazing! Just go along with all the cool stuff going on =)

[@Charlyfromthenuclearcity]

God damn, this needed to be done !

[@hoborec]

It did, didn’t it? Thanks 🙏

[@monumento.f.501]

A clickbait without background music is not a clickbait.

[@hoborec]

Does this mean it's good or not?

[@miguelmikemigs]

Love it man!

[@hoborec]

Thanks!!

[@dc9662]

It's like Beavis and Butthead once said: "There's always been T.V.; there's just, like, more channels now." Some people just get a terminal case of, "Back in MY day...," and they use it to troll the rest of us for the algorithm.

[@hoborec]

Spot on! Cheers.

[@blackcoffeeworship666]

Great Video!!

[@hoborec]

Thanks so much Paul!!

[@lennartgruenewald]

That t-Shirt is awsome :)

[@hoborec]

Heil Seitan 🥕

[@bernardschomaker531]

Thanks man, so refreshing to hear someone on KZbin share this message. I TOTALLY agree with you on everything. Keep up the good work!!

[@hoborec]

Thanks! I just think it's a sad attitude to act like you're loosing something because other things than the specific thing you like also exits.

[@jtrnqvst]

Bra video!

[@hoborec]

Tackar tackar!

[@user-fv6jp1cv1x]

Nice t shirt!

[@hoborec]

Heil Seitan! 🥕

[@electriceyeswatching4415]

Congrats you have discovered every era has shite art the gems are mixed in. The difference between them and noe is now you don't need to know how to play a single instrument, and y'all will be complaining about ai generated music taking over in 3.2....

[@hoborec]

You didn't have to be able to play an instrument in 1985 either. Actually not back in the 60s either. You just let someone else play all the instruments.

[@DeformedDevices]

Beato is a great interviewer but an old fart with clouded nostalgia brain. Bon Iver is a platinum selling artist. Truly amazing artists and recordings can break through if the industry lets them.

[@hoborec]

There you go, good example!

[@thedddemon]

You've found a third rate compilation record from 85. Great job!

[@hoborec]

Haha probably, do you have a better one?

[@endyranaudo]

I think the decline in the quality of music started with MTV. Since those days, we have been objectively spiraling downward. Nowadays, there are great exceptions in every genre of music, 100%, but overall, we produce a lot of rubbish, partly because even a 3-year-old can drag and drop some beats and create a song on a laptop. Another problem is the lack of interest in music today. We have too many distractions (scrolling through social networks, Netflix, etc.), and art in general has been heavily affected. The best album in the world cannot compete with scrolling on Instagram or TikTok from a dopamine release perspective.

[@hoborec]

Video killed the radio star?? =) Anyone can create and release music now. Which is fucking awesome!! The hard thing is to communicate it to people and to get people to care. But is the lack of interest in music really a thing? Take Glastonbury Festival for example. They have been around since the 1970s. They have over 200.000 attendees every year. Last year they sold out in about an hour. This year they sold out in under 40 minutes. Apparently 2.5 million people tried to get tickets. Feels like the interest is pretty high.

[@skatterpro]

Exakt! Sagt samma sak i över ett decennium. Det produceras så helvetes mycket musik, och har gjort det hur länge som helst dessutom. Så saknar man den där virveln med gate:ad reverb så finns det garanterat 100 band du aldrig hört som gör det idag.

[@hoborec]

Den mesta musik är väl alltid skit egentligen. Sen att det släppt sånna kopiösa mänger nu när väl att det finns mer skit per capita kanske haha

[@braunhausmedia]

Those albums were always shit. That doesn't really prove anything.

[@hoborec]

Yes, that is the point. I'm comparing apples to apples. It doesn't prove anything to say that Pink Floyd made better music than Justin Bieber, it's not a fair comparison. I just wanted to show that maybe things aren't acutely becoming so much worse that some tend to feel.

[@boundbysound]

skönt per spektive en frisk fläkt i hjärnan till oss otacksamma människor tack music.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZTPZaikar1pjqc&si=wvJl-mf3SYkmQmFW

[@hoborec]

Tack för det! Jag vill veta mer om historien bakom fotot i länken du skickade haha

[@Jordannofun]

hahahaha great title

[@hoborec]

Thank you 🤩

[@MortenLeerhy]

To me, it is two different things - one being a product that's made to make someone money, and the other is (or at least can be) a work of art.

[@hoborec]

Is it possible that something can be both? There are a lot of professional artists in all kinds of arts and they all need to make money, unfortunately. But yeah, I know what you mean and I agree. Top chart pop music has always been the first option. Nothing new.

[@MortenLeerhy]

@@hoborec It can be both, but in general I don't think of most of the music that is played on commercial radio, as art. But there are always exceptions of course.

[@Kyp031]

I listened to those youtube videos and all I can think of is how metal kind of does not apply to it. Metal has its issues with sounding the same now a days but generally I don't think it applies to what they're talking about. At the end of the day the worst part about music... is the people.

[@hoborec]

Oooh interesting. During some periods I’ve had the opposite perception. I got really tired of metal because I thought it all sounded the same. In hindsight it was probably just me getting tired of it. I probably just didn’t have the energy to follow the trends haha. Over all i think there are way more really good metal bands active now than it was before. I agree 50% with your finishing statement. People are both the best and the worst thing with my job.

[@Lutzifer31337]

spread the love for music, not the elitism!

[@hoborec]

Preach!! 🙌

[@DALTRON666]

Tired of seeing these youtubers call out other youtubers and have their faces in the thumbnails. So childish. KZbin is slowly rotting.

[@hoborec]

I get what you mean. But I’m not really calling anyone out. Just a graphic reference to the topic.

[@Auspexgetchell]

It’s called discussion. He didn’t insult anyone or talk shit. It’s a solid POV

[@MattnUska]

Ya. Back in my day KZbin had soul.

[@fclefjefff4041]

The title is such obnoxious clickbait, the actual video isn't likely to be very good.

[@hoborec]

Hahaha I did my best 🤣 Actually put some effort in the video too.

[@stevedoesnt]

As unfortunate as it is, we live in an algorithm now.

[@fclefjefff4041]

You can choose to be a slave to the algorithm or not.

[@hoborec]

@@stevedoesnt True, just trying to play the game 🤷‍♂

[@hoborec]

@@fclefjefff4041 I choose to try to get more people to watch my videos. I don't really think the title or thumbnail is deceptive. It's exactly what the video is about. You clicked it right?

[@dotmavriq]

Ulf setting the record straight! "What bands did you grow up listening to? Leave your bands in the comments:" Grace Will Faaaaall! 🫂 I think the main difference can be summarized with a quote from Marshall McLuhan: "The medium is the message". Blabla the French revolution was not the actual irreversible event. The printing press a couple of years before it was. It was not the texts in the letters. It was that we now could distribute thoughts at an alarming speed, no longer held back by Central Authority in the same manner et. c. I grew up watching morning cartoons, VHS tapes, putting Fugees and rock bands on cassette from grandpa's radio. TV still ruled but throughout my life and it has slowly switched to the internet. Kids today won't grow up watching broadcast TV. The rockstar was often broadcasted live and recorded for television, feeding into the participatory culture of grand live shows and live music with performers to be adored and emulated by millions. The convenience of digital music production slowly switching affected me in my teens, we started demoing with our multiFX pedals when the (canonically) second wave of Metalcore came around and it was time for me to play music around the age of 15. With every subsequent evolution of "extreme rock" since that point, save for incredibly niche scenes and explorations, has had more and more production trickery first explored by modern production trends associated with Pop, EDM, Rap et. c. Knocked Loose playing Jimmy Kimmel now... Hahah... Poppy larping as a plant only to launch a metal band... Pop and Metal has arguably never been this close culturally nor technically.. but demographically it makes sense as metal is recognized as the categorically most popular genre across cultures according to some music experts. The computer is taking over. And I'm not sour about it honestly... We're having this renaissance of music that's revisiting and morphing sounds of the past with new conventions and realizations of what made previous eras great. I do hope meat space participatory culture makes a comeback though, but I trust the kids of the future to figure that out.

[@hoborec]

Fuck you all, Grace will fall!! Wow that was an elaborate comment =) Yeah I'm also pretty positive to how sub cultures are morphing. I used to be upset about it but then again, as I mention in the video, these cultural expressions are so damn young. Too young for any one to make a claim really. Let it roam free haha.