HoI4 No Step Back Templates Guide: Multiplayer Templates for No Step Back (hearts of iron 4)

Today im doing a video on hoi4 no step back showing the best divisions templates for the game! currently with so many changes to combat width with hearts of iron 4 no step back, division templates are more important than ever and im doing a video to help everyone like the hoi4 no step back tank designer video i did. hope it helps!
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[@Jammer._]

Easy click and find on Templates! 5:39 Garrison Division (All) 6:02 Anti-Air Division (All) 6:42 Main Infantry 8:18 Elite Infantry Division 8:48 AT Bataillon (All) 9:12 AT Division 10:24 Artillery Division 11:24 Paratrooper Division 11:59 Marine Bataillon (Forest) 12:39 Marine Division (Forest)

[@ynwa8835]

Thx

[@yeettheheat]

The Video we were all waiting for because we were too lazy to figure it out ourselves

[@dustinl796]

lmao, makes sense

[@Josephpesoj]

Theatre icons + the division icons are an absolute must for me. Almost no one I play with cares about theatre ones but I really like having lots of options to find my armies quicker.

[@dustinl796]

same, makes a huge diff for me

[@themusus]

what mods are there I can't find

[@theoheinrich529]

Really excited about all the theory-making that resulted from the new DLC, keep it up!

[@dustinl796]

same, it is pretty cool

[@catgirlleah]

didnt realise this was your channel for a sec.. love your vids !

[@MrJozny]

Well done!! Thank you for explaining!! Now I can understand more of the game :) .

[@dustinl796]

Glad I could help!

[@Comnyando]

Excellent explanations thank you

[@Tonio445]

Hi Dustin thanks for this video but could you explain how do you build you army with that divisions 'cause i assume you dont build 24 seize army of each.

[@balintkosa4724]

Nice video Carly! I never tried making 21 and other width units so far, but I will test them. Thank you so much for working on them!

[@dustinl796]

i mean, with nsb they work since the combat width is changed now

[@konfuchie357]

Time to do a world conquest challenge with the new supply system! I'd live to watch a series like that.

[@IQUnder30]

Thank you for this! I don't play multiplayer but I'm sure these templates will work against the AI horde!!!

[@dustinl796]

oh yea, they are gonnadestroy the ai

[@maldlions5313]

@@dustinl796 you should put in description/title that it works against AI as well. Us plebs need help.

[@charliecartwright491]

Multiplayer's meta is broken now anyway. You can literally just make 10w infantry and spam them with air support and win.

[@gameshock3897]

@@dustinl796 Am I doing something wrong? I'm playing as Germany and my templates never worked.. (I've got them off a steam guide.) Hopefully yours will work. I am such a noob at this game. As Germany, I always manage to take Poland, take the Benelux, but stall in France. Even by trying to bee-line all the way to France with tanks.

[@PaddeGaming]

@@gameshock3897 there are about a million factors that might be stopping your advance, but make sure you have supply, air superiority and equipment. You should also try to continue pushing when you are fighting in the benelux/france because you don't want the allies getting entrenched.

[@renano95]

Hey for the paras dont forget you can attach a flame tank to them...

[@dustinl796]

honestly i didnt know that lmfao

[@HerrKaizer]

Hey lovedx the video but could you tell me what mods you are using for the army and division icons

[@yote557]

Best template 10/10

[@hariitokyashimoto3458]

Thank you for the good stuff Carly! I´ve experimented a bit myself and though it is not the most effective one I took a liking to a 24 width template with 8 inf, 2 arty, 1 AA and 1 anti tank. Supports are pioneers and whatever I feel I need the most. It is not the most optimized one, but pretty versatile and also doable for countries with small amounts of mils.

[@Gwebb74]

I told someone the other day 24 width seems great 9/2 or what you said works P.S 6 motorized 4 Katushas

[@Brosky01]

It s dustin

[@hariitokyashimoto3458]

@@Brosky01 You may not be up to date. Please check her video from 3 months ago and the other social media.

[@Brosky01]

@@hariitokyashimoto3458 ooooooo now i understand , but i kinda miss the old dustin with his cringey intro 😅

[@hariitokyashimoto3458]

@@Brosky01 Yea, it also took a bit for me to get used to the change. But the content is still amazing and Carly can be her true self now which both makes me happy :)

[@jameswg13]

Interesting, I've been doing the Grisha method of 10 widths with everything to focus on air spam ( also cheaper for smaller countries) this gives options though

[@cmlcorp]

Thank you for doing it, I had similar idea, basically from what I have tested it's better to have division with less or exact width of the tile, penalties were less severe than putting 2 x 45 in 86 tile, I got pushed back like division had no org at all

[@dustinl796]

yea, its really weird how bad the penalties hurt now

[@Peter-qh8zh]

You're nice continue like that !

[@dustinl796]

thanks! :)

[@nickwells2558]

Do you have to have the dlc for all these changes or to combat width and what not or nah

[@DarthMuffin677]

i have been running 26 width infantry when playing as minors as I dont have massive manpower as them. you can fit 3 in forest and jungle without going over and only missing out on like .3 width. 26 fits exactly 3 divisions in marsh tiles as well so they function great there.

[@DarthMuffin677]

its 2 anti-tank 2 anti-air and 2 arty with the rest being infantry until I get 26 width.

[@dustinl796]

interesting...

[@quaka1312]

thamk chu! :D

[@GojoRIPbozo]

For france in multiplayer would using 42 width pure inf with engineer and anti air work? (With some AT divisions mixed in)

[@arvindravindranath]

Hey Carly! Love your content, been following you for a long time. Can't wait to play No Step Back once my semester ends in a few days haha. Just a tip, your insta link is broken and it leads to your old insta, maybe you want to fix it? Cheers!

[@dustinl796]

oof..... thank you lol

[@lebronjames5717]

Hey! Thanks for the tips! I was wondering if 20-width divisions are still meta in plains? Since the division size limit hasn't changed in that biome? I was also wondering if it is worth getting sloped armor for light tanks? Especially early game? Also, any roleplay servers for me to join? I'm a new player looking for a welcoming community.

[@BigUndertaker]

What do you think about 30 widths for desert and plains? They do fit in 90 terrain tiles.

[@dustinl796]

they work, but ive been using 15 width for infantry and 30 for tanks

[@janwieczorek7545]

is 15w 1 at or 10w 1 at better for defending? planning a czechoslovakia game with my guys and i want to troll the germans hard

[@mohammedshannag161]

Thanks

[@dustinl796]

np :)

[@nilshofmann5912]

I like the TEMPATES

[@dustinl796]

thx!

[@jackscotchland8947]

What’s the template icon mod you’re using?

[@asguard101]

Why do you not use a support hospital or recon on your main infanrty division?

[@uitblazenindepijp]

Question: Should I pay any attention to this if I'm a new as a player and I'm ust learning the game? I started trying to play hoi 4 when it was still vanilla. I got really excited about after I watching your guides to playing the game. In the end it was still too overwhelming to me, as much as I'm into world war II and grand strategy. A couple of days ago I watched a really long video helping players enter the game around summer 2021. It was really long but it was encouraging how the person from the guide told me as a newbie that I could just disregard things like anti-tank weapons, my fleet, nukes, special forces. (he recommended playing germany as a starting player). He also recommended building 10, 20 and 40 width templates in single player. After that it seemed doable again to play Hearts of Iron 4 and I was encouraged that I could learn to understand this game again. Then I saw this video....:((( And when I try to make 21 width divisions in the game, my game which doesn't have "One step back" disadvises to make it that width. So now I'm overwhelmed again..

[@Bigzthegreat]

this is the Multiplayer meta, you can ignore all of this. you could literally just use artillery in your templates (obviously you'd need some skill) because HOI4 AI is braindead.

[@PanzerKingWarThunder]

9:13 why the extra anti tank support company when you already have a ton of anti tank ?

[@thecommunistdoggo1008]

Isn't it possible to get half of 45 using Mass Assualt doctrine left pathway? The one that decreases combat width for infantry

[@nikolatanev1140]

Hi there. Great video but can you tell me division templates for hills mountains and for extreme defending. I'm a Yugoslavia, Bulgaria main and i have lots and lots of hills and mountains to use. For forests 21 width, for hills 20 width, what about for mountains? I'll be trying to perfect my fortress yugoslavia and fortress bulgaria in mp when i'm against germany, italy. I have had and held many times against both and more but its stressfull trying to punch me with tanks on plain tiles and simply cucking me over when i have a tile (always have atleast 1 or 2) that can be attacked from 3 or more sides.

[@vesimirblack1779]

For hill tiles, 20 widths and 40 widths remain the norm as before; for mountain tiles 25 widths are the norm. You can do 50 widths as well, but they're pretty hard to fully equip and can only be reinforced by 25 widths so thus far I have seen 3 25 widths outperform 1 50 width and 1 25 width on mountain tiles (at least on defense). Mountaineers are obviously the best pick, I believe at 11/1 with Arty and support Arty and AA as well as your pick between logistics, engineers, recon and anti tank. Plain tiles are now 15 and 30 widths, so a 6/1 Infantry-Artillery split or more likely a 7/1 Infantry-AA split works relatively decently for the 15 widths, as for the 30 widths you can pretty much safely double the numbers and be fine; though I will say that Mech/Armored Cars/Tanks do much much better in Plain tiles and those pretty much only work at 30 width. My current 30 width Tanks are a simple 9/6 Mech-Medium split with support Arty, Armored Car Recon, Logistics and Engineers. Hope this somewhat helps

[@noncasualgames7263]

Hi people thanks for the content. Just a question: If there is a division with high AA in a battle, does this AA affects the air superiority reduction in the rest of the friendly divisions involved in the battle? BTW as Soviet Union I use a 45 combat width division, just to share

[@TheNixck]

Yes I think so.

[@williamsessions4110]

This is all true with version 1.11.5 even without the NSB DLC, right?

[@Stank18]

I found 14 and 16 to be the best for me when I play as the Soviet’s

[@dustinl796]

interesting.... ill look into it

[@dilanssprogis205]

What is your template made of?

[@benbaselet2026]

How can so small template work with the soviets when you will have a ridiculous number of armies? You will suffer from bad leaders.

[@vortalcombat4702]

HARDCORE TO THE MEGA

[@dustinl796]

thanks!

[@StokedMD]

can you ,ake an updated german ironman guide

[@ComanderSev]

why do your guards get 2 AAs and support AA, isnt that expensive? Isnt support AA enough, also no support arty? In the same sense, why is your main infantry without support AA? am I missing something?

[@Rohit-tp7qx]

Summary of video 42 width is meta

[@QueueWithACapitalQ]

ok, ive always set my divisions up as either 10, 20 or 40 width. the only notable thing is that you use a LOT more arty then I. I was starting to put more focus on arty going as far as changing the soviets land doctrion from mass assault to superior firepower. I guess ill just try to use even more artillery next time, ive left the short story of how that game went below as a sort of rant as its just fusteration having my devisions just lose for no apparant fixable reason. I hadnt played a in a few years. I go play the soviets and want to replicate one of my first games where i just straight put all my units unaltered on polands border, justified on poland and germany and then fought my way through them and won. I only have like 2 DLC, nothing since waking the tiger or man the guns whichever came first. This pArAnOiA sys i hate, i noticed i could just do a focus to gain a war goal on poland so i canceled my justification i spend all my political power on only for the paranoia to come and it now i gotta spend 2 years going through either a purge or civil war. I do this, take the balkens, fight the polish, the japanese declared war on me part way though so after poland capitulated i turned around to go fight them. by this point i had started re organising my divisions to be 10 20 40 with with artillery sprinkled in, the 10 and 20 only had support arty and at whilst the 40 had arty and at batallions. the japanese are still pushing me back for some reason. i was able to gain a little bit of ground again once my divisions sittled and supply cought up a little but then the moment i lost supply im losing. dont know how my 10 width are attritioned yet the japanese who are advancing into my teratory that not even i have the supply for arnt attritioned. Then germany started justifying. i line up my armies. i have supply as its in europe. they still push me back a little and at this point i have no clue why my divisions are just somehow objectivly worse and will just lose so i stop playing.

[@dustinl796]

The problem is Supply, you're fighting in the mountains in the East with low Supply so you're going to have attrition penalties which will always destroy you. For the East just use small divisions with tactical bombers on ground support

[@angelcenturion9398]

Hey which mod do you use for the army icons?

[@dustinl796]

GDW's Army Insignias

[@angelcenturion9398]

@@dustinl796 Thank you, and I have another question actually, 2 questions as I know you are far more experienced than me, what do you think it about the number of divisions? I mean, I'm having troubles as I want to conquer the allies, chechslovakia and romania starting a war in 1936, usually I don't have any problem fighting france and then UK by 1937 but fighting the french and slovaks and romanians at the same times is diffucult, should I have some few divs of 20-40 wide or many divs of 10-18? The other question, any tip to improve my industry? I cannot understand how people can have 5000 fighters and dozens of full equipped divs before 1939-40

[@SlekensuOfficial]

I did used 21 witdh before this i knew they are gonna be New meta and is powerful i mean 25 witdh is not a bad idea tho but 21 witdh is cheaper so yeah...

[@dustinl796]

yea, i get that

[@SlekensuOfficial]

@@dustinl796 also you can just add another infantry battalion and 1 Single AA to make it 21w with also aa companies and the usual stuff for infantry is Also 21 witdh but is defensive basically 20 witdh but with a AA on it so its 21

[@mh_speedy6235]

Yes queen

[@dustinl796]

yesssssssssss. thank you lol

[@deathdealer312]

Sorry to break it to you, but since the combat system changed, stacking attack and defense onto a division is pointless. anything above 21w is dumb. 15 is the best for everything.

[@algeriangamer1618]

I am confused what do i use for my maine template 21 or 25

[@dustinl796]

it depends on the terrain your fighting in. if they are in mountains you want 25 because, (combat there is 75 +25 for each other direction) but for a forrest the combat width is 82 +42 for each other direction so you want 21 or 42. it depends on the terrain now

[@---es8wx]

At the moment, 10 width infantry with support arty, rocket arty, AT, logistics, and engineers + superior firepower (right, left) is the meta. They are completely broken and will probably be nerfed soon.

[@Hamilcar_Valka]

There are a ton of videos that poke holes in the Grisha one, check out the comments of that video there are a few linked there

[@dustinl796]

(1 german 42 width tank arrives)

[@JoeBurner1720]

When will part 2 drop?

[@dustinl796]

either tmrw or day after

[@VonPlanter]

7/2

[@dustinl796]

not anymore lmao

[@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329]

@@dustinl796 I did a run as superior firepower Germany. 30w. 10inf, 3 arty, 1 aa. Recon, engineers, logistics, field hospital, and signals. It dominated the AI and I lost very few casualties. Something like only 30K in a war against the allies. It also wrecked even without air support. It was so good. Question though, what do you think of that for MP?

[@zeri5261]

deezz nnutz

[@dustinl796]

haha, got errrrrr

[@zkave1899]

40wdh are useless since update The new meta is maximum 30wdh

[@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329]

Honestly though. I did a meme run as Germany with no tanks. Went superior firepower and 10 inf, 3 arty, 1 aa with log, signals, field hos, engineer, and recon is so powerful, even without air support.

[@Dinawartotem]

I dont like this change and I find the dev's attempt at "shaking up the meta" idiotic. All they did was confuse everyone, and when you look at what people are making in therms of divisions it's not realistic at all.

[@dustinl796]

42 width are pretty insane too

[@dustinl796]

epic!

[@zkave1899]

@@dustinl796 they will get destroyed by 8 10wdh inf with full support company but if u decrease the wdh to like 25-30wdh tank than u can break them easy

[@Benjamin-ml7sv]

No tanks?

[@AproX_]

wher tank temp

[@dustinl796]

coming out in 2 days. (the 13th)

[@roboparks]

The guide doesn't make sense when you use mod

[@dustinl796]

everything is still the same stats and etc... the only thing different in the video that means anything is the division template icons. not the template itself

[@Aiphiae]

*Newb question:* How is this guy getting such high organization rates on these templates? I'm like 10 org below on every one he shows - is it simply because he's got certain doctrines active?

[@benbaselet2026]

Yep.

[@paxlux5288]

It's either because of better tech or a different doctrine. As tech gets better, the stats get better. Some doctrines buff org more than others.

[@deadboi2249]

"multiplayer template" >looks at artillery division >wtf.png jokes aside some of the divisions can be considered bannable offense, such as the marine template, given that amphibious tanks are considered trash even before NSB 21w inf division looks fine, so at least there is something to salvage in this video

[@dustinl796]

when you update them in tank designer, they can be just as strong as normal tanks so you have tank divs that have naval invasion bonuses

[@deadboi2249]

@@dustinl796 i know, it's just that that module lowers reliability and increases production cost, which means you can invest less on engine/armor before hitting 100% reliability (reduce it by 5% per level of maintenance company), not to mention that the tanks in general already got nerfed really hard compared to pre-NSB to the point some people advocate using infantry and (more) CAS instead

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

@@deadboi2249 the only country that should ever have god tier amtraks and marines is Brazil, that's literally their only purpose for the allies, that and annoying people with guerrila tactics.

[@Parvian93]

you clearly don't understand the mechanics of the game.

[@dustinl796]

well, the people who i use these templates on in multiplayer who scream slurs at me for kicking theyre butts disagree

[@bittenamehiereinfugen3713]

This builds are ridiculous

[@dustinl796]

what makes you say that? unless you mean ridiculously good

[@bittenamehiereinfugen3713]

@@dustinl796 instead of a overpriced AT division you simply build a Tankdesttroyer. The marine divisions are 3 times more expensive as tanks. Over 13.000 production cost is waste of industry. The idea behind anti tank divisions is that you counter with less expensive divisions. And if the enemy has more armor what is normal with the update system you just get destroyed by infantry and tanks. Only AT guns where never good and will never be good. Also if you make 42 with divisions support companies have minimal cons in organization because its relative to the size. The only good division in this video was the 21 with.

[@bigmanoclock4513]

why you makin your voice softer shit weird asl

[@dustinl796]

voice training lol

[@therealclp7488]

@@dustinl796 I love your new voice :-)

[@maximpact4070]

Are you a femboy?

[@zoeya2955]

She is a trans woman.

[@sniper3134]

Your "elite infantry division" is not good. Lol