Hoka Clifton 8 Ride & Energy Return | Road Running Shoes 2021

[@Bamhim12]

QOD: Quality over quantity. If you’re going to do a podcast, just make sure you’re not spreading yourself too thin!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

exactly

[@christianbucher-johannesse1253]

Greetings from Norway🇳🇴 Thanks for the livestreams lately, really been enjoying them!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

Welcome!

[@Run4un]

QOD: Podcast could be cool, but daily video takes so much time for such high quality and now you got all the nice gear to make it so, I'd hate to see podcast detract from daily vlog. I think 1x month podcast could deliver unique mode/content without detracting from daily vlog.🤙

[@somethingnewhere]

I have never seen such a comprehensive and thorough review of a running shoe - my oh my I’m happy to have stumbled on your channel. Excellent work !

[@joshlitton1430]

I personally think you are mastering the "running youtuber" space. Your consistency, dedication, talent, and energy help set you apart from all the other channels out there. A podcast sounds great, but I'm not sure how much of a value-add that would be in addition to the daily vlog, live streams, and now Discord, for the DGR family and yourself. More channel content like shoe battles, additional running shoe matrices, and more training talks could make more sense than a podcast.... but thats my opinion. I'll be here to support DGR regardless of the direction you go, Seth!

[@philippecarrier]

Hoka isn't completely out of it... The Mach 4 is a joy to run in.

[@ryandarricott8815]

Be patient with Hoka. They take at least 50/75 miles to break in and become soft. After that period you wont look back. They are great trainers and great company.

[@ericberg922]

I must say, seeing all of these trail runs on strava is getting me excited for those summer vlogs with the beautiful shots of the lush green trees up in the mountains

[@dannyj1983]

I agree with a lot of the other commenters. A DGR podcast would be very cool, i just wonder how much more effort its going to take and what the toll could be. You will create brilliant content no matter what, but at what cost to family time and focus on your running goals? I'm patient, I say lets save the podcast for a time when DGR has a sound engineer or a vlog editor; just a team to enable you to manage the workload to allow for high quality AND great content.

[@mohammedlabeeb]

OMG. This guy always has great videos and so much knowledge and info in all of his videos.

[@ErikConstant]

QOD : podcasts are the best! Although I like to watch DGR on KZbin most of the time when I am doing the dishes, Podcast are so much easier to integrate through my daily routing.

[@treyshepard1717]

Good Morning DGR fam!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

[@billycnh319]

Podcast is great idea and I used to listen to podcast when I’m running. However, the key would be with quality content. Quality is more important than quantity.

[@bretstevens262]

QOD: Interviewing pro runners would be a cool pod cast series, but it would be really awesome to interview via skype or whatever the shoe designers at the shoe manufacturers, like Hoka, Puma, Adidas, etc. They could answer specific questions from you or the DGR listeners about shoe design, construction, and runner implementation of their shoes. Just a thought! You rock Seth and DGR strong!

[@jsherzog]

Yes a little script goes a long ways and questions from members or voted questions is a good route. The agenda seems a bit too structured bit the format works out well and almost organic.

[@tjs1189]

I would love to hear you interview normal runners talk about their journeys towards their first marathon, 5k, etc. that’s a podcast I would love to listen to.

[@TheSaltyFilms]

Your shoe matrix vlogs are so helpful. I need to get trail running shoes, and road running shoe in a month or so. So, looking forward to the matrix vlogs! :)

[@aeafisme23]

I love my Clifton 6 but I knew going into the shoe that it would never be more than an amazing walking shoe and that is how I use it to this day !

[@swenderich]

QOD: I think the way you interact with all your followers is your strong suit and your unique selling point! A ‘regular’ podcast wouldn’t quite tap into your strengths, if you ask me. Then again: maybe a format in which you get guests to interact together with you with your followers would be something! Please keep finding ways to bring your spontaneity, positivity and energy to interactions with all of us. Stay unique 💪🏻

[@ajkracer72]

QD: I agree with not spreading yourself too thin as you have some great stuff going right now. We all love the VLOGs. But if you were to do a podcast I may focus it on training. You could have sessions of training for road versus trail, training for varied distances, and focus on nutrition etc, for example. You could bring in other runners and experts. Thanks for all that you do Seth!

[@zoeyan708]

QOD: I love the idea of the podcast! I watch your videos every day and so if I can listen to your voice when I’m out running it would be even better and will definitely make my long run easier. For the content, even just a like a question of the week would be interesting enough to us. We love listening to everything you say, no matter what the content is Seth! (of course running related haha) Love from China!

[@MatsSambu]

I think the livestream is a good idea!! Maybe have a "featured shoes of the stream" every time and rotate between road, trail and racing. So that you can recommand and talk more in detail about a single (or multiple) running shoes and connect different peoples questions and needs too a shoe? Anyway have a good day DGR fam!

[@courtneyr.6680]

Yes yes yes!! A podcast would be AMazing!!!

[@courtneyr.6680]

That is what I listen to on my runs!!! I always need more material I was already wishing you had a podcast so I could listen while I ran since I cannot watch and run lol

[@mtollmaster3747]

You are such a positive, motivating force, I think you would be great at incorporating life tips, motivational based psychology type podcasts. Maybe including various guests. Your energy and zest for life IMHO is sadly rare these days. Breaking into that arena may be a whole new universe for you. Thank you for being you!

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

I appreciate this sentiment M Tollmaster!

[@Deadbuck73]

Clifton... never really my go to... they finally make a fantastic color... can’t wait to see how it does in the marinade... come on 50...

[@dazh4698]

On way to first race in over 12 months 10k carlisle uk urban trail race 🏁 wish me luck guys

[@philippegagne268]

QD: I’d listen to the livestreams in a podcast format as it is hard to catch those “live” due to busy life! Also it would not be too much extra work for you as well...

[@kevinscott4938]

Thats how I listen to Kofuzi's live streams!!

[@chrisemery4966]

How many more directions can you be stretched in Seth?!? I must admit I only got onto Discord today and I am loving all the advice I'm getting. I'd recommend it for all, especially newer runners looking for advice from seasoned runners around the world I've learnt so much already!

[@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907]

I am a neutral runner standing 6ft tall, weighing 180lbs. I have very narrow double AA feet with high arches!! I got back into running 2 months ago. I recently got my 1st pair of Hoka's and chose the Clifton 7. I love 'em. "Believe in the Run" those madcap duet guys evaluated the Clifton 8 and concur with you that Hoka needs to learn some new tricks. The EVA has run it's course. They are slipping behind the times. My local running store has a Saturday training/fun run whereby they have the test shoe of the week without obligation to buy. Last Saturday was the Rincon 2 and I super loved em! That is one light, fast, fun shoe to run in.

[@phenix2317]

I think you are right Seth, the Running warehouse review mentioned it was a more compressed EVA foam from 7 reducing stack height and weight a tad, but definitely looks to be more firm at first glance.

[@timd7981]

QOD: I have been listening to “the drop” by believe in the run during my Saturday morning long runs, 1 hour 26 mins long, with 30 mins of chat then an interview, great for the relaxed effort I am putting in on that run. I wouldn’t copy the format though, I would release something at the start of the week where you discuss your training goals for this week, shoes coming up and give training tips and thoughts, a very upbeat, shorter, podcast helping set everyone’s minds for the week ahead and getting their running work done. DGstaRt the week?

[@soutarm]

I saw your run in these on Strava and have been eagerly awaiting this video! I loved the Clifton 7s but my old footstrike destroyed the heel after 600km (rubber totally ripped off, foam worn way down). Now I've fixed my footstrike I'm pretty sure the Clifton 8s will be my next shoe.

[@etiennehuard7249]

QOD: I love the idea of a podcast. I could listen while doing other things and having the opportunity to listen a deeper dive into subjects.

[@steveilg6134]

only if you can truly see yourself creating the time, feel yourself energetically able to produce a regular podcast without overlapping content with your Vlogging. My students have asked me to do a Podcast, but not yet. I just don't have the time. What you DON'T want to happen is compromising the Vlog, which is your ! head bowed, from Durango! oh, Dewa absolutely CRUSHED Her final Track meet; PR in Hurdles, 1st in Distance Medley, and 1st in the 1600m! Thanks for helping keep Her stoke high!

[@tnan123]

Don't spread yourself too thin Seth and burnout! With the podcast idea, livestreams, website, discord group, other social media, and all the things you do for youtube it's a lot! We appreciate it but take care of yourself as well. As for feedback on a podcast I would agree that certain interviews on your channel are already podcast episodes on their own. Just do more of those.

[@amattrey]

Very surprising review. Especially how high you scored the Clifton 7 as an easy day shoe last year. Wonder why Hoka made these changes to a tried and true shoe.

[@gregprevite8548]

Looks like picking up the Clifton 7 on sale might be a good idea

[@tommytfaa]

mine is in the mail

[@davebelcher1656]

I think you missed the boat on your comps. Price point matters if you are comparing apples to apples. The daily trainer equivalents are the Saucony Ride 14, NB 880 v11, Nike Peg 38, ASICS Cumulus and Novablast, Skechers GORun Ride 9, Brooks Ghost 13, and Mizuno Wave Rider 24. In that group, there’s a still a lot of EVA going on. Midsole innovation is more typically happening at higher price points (Nike Invincible Run) and different use cases (NB Rebel 2).

[@bradballantine9644]

I love the Clifton lineup, just bought the 7 since it is on sale! 🔥 red color way

[@Mojavehixon]

The Carbon X 2 took a good 75 miles to feel the right “soft” and break in. It may be the case here also.

[@catchpole11]

Would you consider introducing sustainability into your full reviews? It overlaps with durability (because a shoe that lasts longer is probably going to have a lower carbon footprint) but I think it's really important for shoe-influencers (and runners) to start pushing brands to be more sustainable. Recycled materials, low carbon packaging etc. Love the work. Keep it buttered. X Chris X

[@ivanbarcot3827]

QD: Podcast is a great idea. I like that suggestion. Onward and upward!

[@antigravity19]

QD: For a unique format, imagine a Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee but “Runners Running to Get Coffee”. Do an on the run section(easy day likely) with guest, then conversation over coffee. Plenty of reasons not to do this but thought it was an interesting pitch

[@leedaviesfitness]

Like many probably worth sticking with the 7. QD. As long as you have the time then I would say go for it. Because whatever you do no stone is left unturned. ❤

[@1519Spring]

Enjoyed the niche Livestream.

[@agsmith001]

thanks for the first impression = very helpful! QOTD: i am not really into interviews with elites. as a mid pack runner they really arent that helpful. maybe interviews with coaches, PT's or someone who cares about/is like the rest of us. for sound, study acoustics a little. don't make you room sound like it's made of tar, use diffusion instead of absorption to give it a little liveness since you are just talking and not playing drums. your setup now sounds fine but it does sound like you are in a closet :)

[@WadeGlass]

QOD: It’s my humble opinion, but I believe podcasts in general are better when you have 2-3 people in a conversation. Whether it’s interviews every time, or you find someone to team up with, it makes the podcast feel more like a conversation and less like a lecture. For equipment, check out RODE podcaster.

[@RunningOtaku]

Seth, if you want to start podcasting without investing in equipment, my company rents out podcasting rooms (and offices/meeting spaces) around the country. In Denver (Littleton, Capital Hill, etc.) it’s about $14-$18/hour.

[@19Kamau79]

Updated models are really popping up I just retired my Hoka Clifton5s at January 1st 2021 ☺️

[@PatrickJDicus]

Hey Seth, just wanted to give my perspective on heart rate. As a former runner who is now a cyclist, I was surprised at how widespread heart rate monitors are in the sport of cycling. It is extremely key for us to measure the physiological effect that the power we are putting out has, mainly to make sure we are not about to blow up, but also to pace ourselves on aerobic base rides. I think it could be useful for you on the trails because when your running vertically the pace per mile isn't super useful. Maybe in your harder trail runs or races, you wear a monitor to make sure you don't blow up. Just my 2 cents.

[@DanRuns]

Disliked the 7 a lot as a runner, but good for a daily trainer. Intrigued by this little number, but will likely pick it up next season instead. Podcast would be great! Ben, Chris and myself have enjoyed doing our Runners Round Up chat vlog / podcast

[@geertjanvanaalten]

:QOD: yes to podcasts. Also perfect to go live more for questions.

[@davidohearn8047]

Glad I got the 7s in 2020. And I plan to get another pair of 7s when it’s time. Seems that you and other reviews I’ve seen on the 8 is that is just good not great. Seems like the Clifton line up needs an update to make it more relevant with these other daily max cushion shoes. QD: A podcast would be a good idea. You could do solo or guest episodes and being able to go into even more detail in a longer format. Hope to see that in the future.

[@kenfox7007]

QOD: use your livestream with Kilian as a template. Maybe 1-2 livestreams per month on youtube and social media with high profile athletes, other running youtubers/authors etc. If you wanted it to also be available in podcast format to broaden distribution then you could edit it down afterwards (the "How I built this" podcast from NPR is one example that combines livestreams/podcasts). But the Kilian one was great so you should build on that!

[@Triptisim]

QOD: Love the idea of a DGR podcast! I listen to a lot of podcasts when I run, but I definitely prefer them to be at least 1-1.5 hours long to take me through my whole run. If its hard to make time to make them that length I would definitely love to see emphasis on the length and quality vs. quantity as I have other creators to fill the rest of the time. Keep at it Seth!

[@michaelbell6041]

The new cliftons looking good. Unfortunately can't run in them. My flat feet got torn up by the v6s, the narrow protruding arch in these tear my feet up. Such a shame.

[@amirfarhan4516]

Good Morning Seth, from 🇲🇾

[@Deadbuck73]

Gooooood Mooorning DGRrrrrrr!

[@janetduback5161]

I would maybe listen to a podcast once a month. I’ll be honest a few KZbin vids a day and that’s my quota for social media. I might check out the fb group a few times a week but that’s it. Just don’t have the time. One thing though I’ve listened to a few podcasts and sometimes it just is a lot of rambling conversation. Also lots of podcasts will have someone on and they will ask the same questions if they have a guest as another podcast. For me to listen would have to be a interesting person and a bit structured. As others say Seth don’t spread yourself too thin. You have a multitude of projects going on now. Quality over quantity.

[@JordanThomasmedia]

Hey Seth! Was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on these. Still compiling my thoughts, but I think you’re onto something with these kind of being “meh. Got something cooking for later this month. Hope you and your family are well. ✌🏽

[@cdigdawg]

QoD: There might be a studio in Denver where you can go once a week for X dollars. They provide the sound proof space, equipment and an engineer. Saves you all the upfront cost. Might not be cost effective though. And there is covid to consider with shared spaces.

[@SimonSez83]

QOD. 20 min shoe focus QA is a good idea. Idk about the frequency. Podcast with running world individuals. I'm all for it. Make sure the production value is good. There are tons out there and a lot of them have terrible production. Also... the conversation don't have to be running related 100% of the time. I wanna hear their story. The interview with Killian was really cool.

[@taylorschaefer9297]

Podcast! Would love this. Marcus Brown of A Runner’s Life has a great format. 👍🏼

[@Feemy]

I got myself the More v3 instead. They are so plush and bouncy and just so good. NB definitely out-Hoka'd Hoka with that shoe. The fact that he says this shoe isn't as fun or bouncy, is in line with what Believe in the Run said.

[@MrEric295]

I am not a fan of a Dgr podcast. 10 minutes a day is perfect. I do like the idea of a pro question with a quick clip or answer.

[@gosekinz]

Might be a bit early to judge the midsole after only 10miles, especially in cold conditions. My question is "Is the Toebox any wider than the 7?" That is the issue many runners have with newer Hoka shoes - they've just lost the plot when it comes to fit. It is the main reason I now almost always train in Altras

[@philippegagne268]

Same here. The fit with my Clifton 6 is not great. The shoe seems narrow and long. It is not a bad shoe overall but nothing spectacular either.

[@Eagle7433]

I usually go wide anyways

[@hordboy]

Same here too. v6 is a bit narrow in the toes, but a wide is too wide everywhere else. I want to be a Hoka fanboy, but I can’t until they fix their fit. Mach 4, Rincon, all too narrow. I’m stuck with Brooks, Topo and Altra, and their boring foams.

[@gosekinz]

@@hordboy Ego isn't bad .. and the Torin 5 is coming soon with Ego Max ... looking forward to the upgrade - loses some weight apparently.

[@in-reachrun7225]

Great Video Seth! What would you say would be your favorite Marathon running shoe?

[@GyulaJentetics]

Great video 👍💯 Thanks 😊

[@dannyj1983]

I wonder if Hoka wanted the Clifton 8 to "break in" to a soft landing, opposed to the soft out-of-the-box 7. Perhaps so the midsole lasts longer but will eventually have the same feeling under foot. Especially considering that bigger runners seem to be a large part of their customer base. I'm 195lbs and run in the Clifton 7 on easy days; have just over 70mi and can see how the midsole might die around 300mi, because its so soft.

[@runshoottech]

Seth, I do not have the Clifton 8’s but I’d have to agree with you on the midsole based on my experience with the 7’s, I’m new to running and I got the 7’s and Pegasus 37’s and the initial feel was comfortable when but I got both shoes to 100 miles in about 3 weeks and the 7’s are not as comfortable as they were on my initial run, it feels blah as you said, the 37’s are more comfortable for my long run, my only issue with it is that it could use a more plush tongue. So Hoka does need to do something about that midsole and it wears way too fast, maybe by the time I get to 300 or 350 miles I’ll have to retire it.

[@greggg4781]

I don't think a podcast is necessary. I feel like we've got something better than that in the vlog itself. I'm not a creative person, so I can really only one thing that could be in a podcast that isn't in the vlogs--interviews. I'd be interested in hearing from runners and folks from shoe companies. It may be hard to line them up on the regular, so I don't know how viable that is. I mean, Seth's thing is that he is regular--we all know when to expect each vlog to drop. If there were podcasts, I would say it shouldn't be more than bi-weekly at the most. I agree with what others have said about quality over quantity, but I don't think it's something we have to worry about given the track record of the vlog and the commitment we heard Seth talk about today.

[@ZenDao_85]

Seth! Regarding the firmness / durometer of hoka shoes! I've got several clifton 7's and several bondi 7s, they ALL differ significantly durometer-wise, from pretty firm to very soft. was the same with the clifton 6. I dont know if hoka messes up diffrent batches compression / heat wise, or if the density of the EVA differs from batch to batch. It is very annoying since I love cliftons alot! The only way to know what you get is to go to a store, otherwise it's just a lottery ticket. anyway, love the channel!

[@saskiakaarsgaren3346]

Podcast YES! But make sure to invest in sound quality. There are so many podcast start ups with crappy sound. It seems especially difficult when interviewing guests. So annoying when you have a great podcast but as soon as the interview starts you keep on twitching with the controls to be able to follow along.

[@geoffb2900]

Just ordered the Altra Torin 4.5 Plush for recovery days. $99.88 on sale at Running Warehouse. Glad I didn't go for the Clifton 8's!

[@knightbear49]

I'm relatively new to the channel! Love all the content! I learn something from every video and I've been a runner for over 12 years. Why do you twist the shoes? You like the loosey goosey shoes but why does that matter? Curious to what that's telling you! Thanks!!!

[@catchpole11]

QoD. Could consider pushing the audio from your vlogs straight to podcast platforma? A lot less work than a specific podcast, and things like live q&a would be great to have in my ear on runs. :) I think Kofuzi does something similar.

[@Runnerrwe]

I suggest if you do a podcast then do a video podcast on KZbin. You can always upload audio file to Anchor or Apple podcasts to hit the other avenues. Do not interview pros since that is format of most podcasters. I suggest come up with your own type of podcast idea.

[@coachsmith4950]

I’m in Canada and every Hoka has preformed MUCH differently in the cold vs the hot. I’m interested to see if the Clifton 8 is a warm weather only shoe.

[@Chrislubey__1]

Love the podcast Idea

[@johnboever8246]

Exactly how I would describe the energy and ride of the clifton 5. Why can't they just keep making the clifton 1??

[@trevorcross7751]

A little strange with this shoe I expected that it would be a nice easy day shoe with a real soft ride but I have watched other reviews and read about it I've actually heard that they made it softer than the 7 so I hope that either when you run in it more or it warms up that the midsole will soften up because I was really looking forward to this shoe definitely looking forward to the 50 mile full review also DGR Podcast YES PLEASE!!!

[@caspererasmus7480]

I've found that the Clifton "softens" from 4-5km into my run. From about 18-20km they are much more softer than from the start.

[@jewyrl1305]

Looks like the Clifton 7’s might be better for my easy days

[@johncandler]

QOD: If you do a podcast - I think it would pay huge dividends to make sure you have a good script or agenda for each podcast. Like have dedicated segments, questions, topics that happen each podcast. There are just too many podcasts that are free flow and you can't stand out.

[@antigravity19]

I feel like some people started saying with the Clifton 7 needed around a 30 mile break in where I didn’t feel like that was needed in the 6s. Still love my 6’s for Daily Trainer/east miles. Trying to plan my next set, may end up with the 7s as they 30 off now

[@trbeyond]

. If you are too busy to figure out a heart rate monitor, how will you find the time for a podcast?! Keep doing what you do best. I like the subscription idea and the discord sounds feasible, but there are just soooo many podcasts already.

[@randallanimal]

That intro cliffhanger though

[@TechnicallyBrian]

I tried store new Clifton 7s side by side one I put 300miles in, my personal pair were significantly softer underfoot. I do think it's a thing with Hoka foams starting to soften up and really get comfortable after putting about 50miles in. Also when I was buying my Invincibles at a Nike store, I noticed some pairs feel softer than others (Wanted a different colour but ultimately went with the colour I didn't fancy because the foam felt softer and livelier for some reason) So there might be inconsistencies between pair to pair.

[@sfgiants5486]

As a terrible runner, I enjoyed the Clifton 6 over the 7. I guess I need to look for a new daily this year.

[@Pietrotherunningfarmer]

Really looking forward to this shoe. I loved the Clifton 7.

[@tommytfaa]

buy another 7 now for 100 bucks! i did

[@manno9621]

Buy the NB Fresh Foam More V3... Awesome

[@manno9621]

@Chris Abraham I don't know mate really surprised. Believe in the run have done a great review that's what tempted me....I think maybe just a slow release??

[@iaingourlay6782]

When you have tested and sampled many a different running shoe; just on the drop/offset; What would you say is the best drop for runs on Easy, Steasy, Tempo, Threshold, Anaerobic runs ? There’s so much more to it I know, but do you have a preference? ie I like a lower drop to running faster/shorter and a higher drop for longer/sustainable?

[@toresergio4873]

hello Seth congr for the videos which you make. I have to run an ultra marathon 54 km in dicember which shoes do you think is better for me to buy. the hoka clifton 8 or the asics noosa tri 13? thanks for the answer take care

[@andrewpozza6024]

Would love to see a podcast 1-2 times a month. Specifically, KZbin crossovers like James Dunne, kofuzi, Ed budd, Floris Gierman, Ben parks. And also some versatility with a sprinter or ultra runners. Most interested in learning what they have learned from their running journey

[@jsherzog]

Yes let's add to this list; Billy Yang-Jim Walmsley, Courtney Duwaulter Kipchoge, cheptoge, Hayden Hawks, Max King- shoot even Andy Wacker or Koop any XC coaches ect..

[@monicaandhyunwootv1337]

Hi Seth, Jay from LA. Is Marc 4 better than this? I am thinking of a marathon training shoe? Have a great one.

[@oskie501]

Seth, do you think more miles (in addition to warmer temps) will soften up the midsole?

[@colleennolan-dahlstrom7251]

I will keep to my Clifton 7’s. Seth, from d you notice the laces if they are still flat and tend to slide? I ended up replacing the laces on the 7’s with laces U had from my retired Brooks Cascadia’s. The laces are round and don’t slide or come loose like the laces on the Clifton 7-8’s.

[@starath1362]

New to the channel.. nice set... love the Shoedio..👍🏾

[@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907]

I wiil certainly tune in when I can to your live stream for shoe questions. One difficulty though, since there are so many questions and you can only get to so many answers. Would it work for those with a membership to write in questions so you have a list to start with? You did get to my question which was, "What is your favorite model of Skechers" but I had to repeatedly type it in there. The texts come in fast and furious! It can be frustrating as well as distracting to try to get one's question in. Next broadcast, I am going to focus on listening and not any question I have.

[@tomaxelsson]

I was very sceptical of the midsole in my Rincon 2 at first as well but after +400km it's definitely a completely different experience. They feel much softer for my legs now, however the outsole/exposed midsole is wearing out quickly..

[@houmm08]

There's something about Hokas that my feet don't like. Maybe the metarocker. I had the Clifton 6 and found it was about as responsive as my teenage son pre 8am. I found it sapped energy rather than returned it.

[@spacemanstanly]

You've got to try out the Reebok Energy 3 before the next road running shoe matrix video, $100 super versatile daily trainer that blows a lot or more expensive shoes out of the water