Hold On… So Ahsoka Can't Die?

[@richardschneider7629]

There is no death, there is the Force

[@dagothur5595]

There is no death there is the temper tantrums.

[@GenerationTech]

There is no temper tantrums just Purgil Tempura

[@sinful_katze7174]

Facts

[@kzybtw1599]

@@GenerationTech😋

[@Mizzle420420]

​@@GenerationTechI'm rewatching the last few episodes of rebels and the symbols on the stone DUME gives to Ezra is exactly the same as the ones in the Ahsoka show, such as in the end credits and the star map, these are the exact same symbols from the jedi temple that holds the entrance to the world between worlds. Once Ezra goes to the temple with DUME's help the symbols are everywhere. There's definitely a connection here

[@killingragethrowback]

Honestly, this just makes Thrawn even more impressive. He has none of these superpowers, he's just a normal man, and with nothing but brains, guts and an army, he's taking on demigods.

[@MrMikellsof88]

Yeah well they've already neutered him. The most brilliant tactical mind in Star Wars history apparently "needs to be told" when "the right time to return" is ... which is why he's apparently been in hiding.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

​@@MrMikellsof88it seems that thrawns return was somewhat a lie. Thrawn wasn't in hiding but was banished, yet he managed to set in motions what was needed for his return. A man that literally is planning via time and space the whole his return was likely propoganda lies meant to keep the warlords in order long enough until Thrawn returned and reigned in the lot.

[@MrMikellsof88]

@@metal_fusionDidn't watch Rebels and not buying the Mouse House propo that it's canon. Thrawn remains untainted. This also retcons my earlier comment because I also don't consider Arseokay canon either. Mouse House just continues to destroy this franchise so I will stick to what was accepted lore before KK started tarring it with her faeces.

[@kadegetslaid634]

​@MrMikellsof88 dude speak English instead of circlejerk forum

[@BenNS21]

@@metal_fusionYou act like Thrawn got outsmarted on a regular basis in Rebels. The first battle he lost was of subordinates betraying orders, the incompetence of Governor Price and a force entity that quite literally cannot be explained. And then he lost in the final episodes because incompetent price, space whales and Palpatine wanting Ezra to open the path. He lost twice, and both through no fault of his own. He quite literally doesn’t have an equal in terms of military strategies and tactics and it was shown clearly

[@spectreagent00]

Ahsoka has the greatest power of all: being a Filoni pet.

[@alucard8433]

Worked wonders for Kanan Jarrus... oh wait. lol

[@11Survivor]

​@@alucard8433The singular original character he has ever killed in twenty years

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@11SurvivorThe one that the entire staff of Rebels had to convince Dave Filoni of before he would kill him.

[@alucard8433]

@@11Survivor You forgetting about the Grand Inquisitor as well?

[@t8kabr8km85]

​@@alucard8433 Ahem, Kenobi wants a word...

[@bet0v966]

I don’t think it’ll be in battle. She may choose to become one with the Force whether it be self sacrifice or old age but in doing so she fully becomes the new Avatar of the Light. Not the Daughter but something new

[@geigercourtier]

I feel like becoming “one with the force” is no different than being dead to the audience. It just gives the writers a cameo excuse

[@FranciscoHOS]

@@geigercourtierI mean it’s part of the “world” of Star Wars. It existed even when George owned star wars (force ghosts), so why should they neglect that?

[@andyb1653]

I think it'll be a while. Togrutans are like cats, they have 9 lives. Ahsoka has only burned through, like, 2 of them? 3 maybe?

[@kadegetslaid634]

​@geigercourtier it's been a thing since the first movie, why not use it

[@thalmoragent9344]

I don't think so. She's great but there are plenty of other Jedi who could've done the same. And didn't. She can't just become another Mortis God. If she does, Anakin better already be there. Maul as well. But again, I doubt it.

[@ExUSSailor]

Unpopular opinion, I know, but, how about we fans, collectively, just enjoy the works of total fiction we're presented with, and, stop ruining everything by picking apart every little thing, and, over-analyzing it?

[@moabman6803]

Agreed!

[@richhutchinson2934]

The owl is actually a symbol for wisdom and knowledge in many of the ancient cultures. Which I find very interesting in this story.

[@Lukastar1]

When I was a kid I thought Ahsoka was a disposable character and I was fully convinced she would die at some point in each season of the show. Surely she couldn’t survive Order 66?? Well she did… and because she stuck around so long she became one of my fav characters lol

[@ArrabelIa]

Same.

[@andyb1653]

Ahsoka is proof to me that Filoni is, actually, a good writer. Some people say he's overrated, and some people think he's god's gift to Star Wars, but the guy really does know what he's doing. Introducing an INTENTIONALLY annoying character, then getting the audience on board with said character by giving them a REAL arc where they learn, grow and get better? How many modern Hollywood writers could actually pull that off? In the post-prequel Star Wars fandom, no less. It's nothing short of a minor miracle when you think about it.

[@andyb1653]

@@metal_fusion No, this is called "your confirmation bias". You can pick apart any long-running sci-fi TV show and point out a billion times this character or that one should have died. ALL main characters have plot armor to one degree or another. Especially in a show aimed at teenagers and young adults, and set in the middle of a war. Besides, I'm praising Filoni's handling of Ahsoka's character arc and relationships with other characters, not how specific action scenes went down.

[@andyb1653]

@@metal_fusion Yes, a Mary Sue. That's why she got her entire squadron smoked, causing her master to apologize on her behalf, and got demoted. That happens to perfect characters all the time. Just accept that you don't like the character and leave it alone. Let others enjoy liking things. If you actually want to debate why the character is good or not, leaving a 10,000-point bullet-point list is a poor way to begin the discussion. If you want to share your opinion, go ahead and write a wordy reply. But at least TRY to be nice about it. I absolutely HATED the sequels (8 and 9 in particular). If the sequels are being discussed, I'm at least gonna try to be polite about it. I could tell you everything I didn't like about them without using buzzwords like "Plot Armor" and "Mary Sue", too, even in regards to Rey.

[@teamdoghouse7920]

This sums up my feelings on Ahsoka perfectly. I thought she was an irritating teenybopper type character at first (and she WAS) but watching her grow and develop led to her becoming one of my favorite characters and a key part of Star Wars.

[@jmace2424]

She can’t die because she taps into the real Force in the Disney Star Wars Universe: David Filoni’s Ego. 🤣

[@josedavidcastillo9241]

*Filoni's great understanding of Star Wars.

[@TheCaroluss]

​@@josedavidcastillo9241if by understanding you mean stealing EU material and making it worse, then yeah he has a lot of understanding

[@wuspoppin125]

And this is why Star Wars deserves more better and capable writers

[@whiterock1865]

I overall like Ahsoka, she's powerful without diminishing others, she stands on her own as a character and was developed well. I think in the current series she's a bit too stoic, but with episode 4 we may be given a release from her of all the pent up guilt so maybe we'll see a much renewed and even more powerful ashoka afterwards...so I'm hopeful. And I like how Sabine couldn't pull the light saber back to her so glad there will likely be an evolution there too.

[@joluoto]

Never liked the Mortis arc, never liked the Chosen One stuff from the prequels and Clone Wars. And never really liked timey wimey realm, because time travel just opens such a big can of worms, which the writers were not considering.

[@seriousnesstv7902]

Not if Dave Filoni is the one writing her

[@GenerationTech]

if filoni actually kills her he'll go into depression for many days i imagine

[@DaleESkywalker]

Didn't you know that's HOW she becomes Ahsoka "the white" Tano? Many will think she's dead, just as we thought Gandalf was gone in LotR.

[@bendu8282]

@@GenerationTech I know you said The Shauman Of The Whills would be on the same level as The Mortis Gods but I’d argue they’d be even higher Then The Mortis Gods and most force gods and spirits because The Whills which they serve are the top Gods of The Star Wars Multiverse. They push energy into the cosmos that is The Force only to feed off of it. A natural form of balance. They’re also responsible for created The Chosen One: Anakin Skywalker to defeat The Sith for even trying to corrupt that balance.

[@bendu8282]

@@GenerationTech I will say I disagree with your take on Ahsoka being a chosen one because the force has given her opportunities to live. Being the chosen one in Star Wars isn’t based on how much chances you get to live or how much power you receive. A chosen one in Star Wars is given a purpose to fulfill and according to George all life forms are given a destiny but get to whether they choose to follow that path or make their own. Meaning that even a chosen one like Anakin gets to choose whether he wants to bring balance or not. Anakin had potential for greats amount of power, George even said if Anakin didn’t loose to Obi Wan on Mustafar he’d The King Of The Universe. It’s even known that Full Potential Anakin is the most powerful force user ever but this potential and these abilities that are beyond most and everyone else aren’t guaranteed to him. He can make decisions that could take these opportunities from him. As a matter of fact it was his choices in The Complete Saga to chase power and become the most power that took away his opportunities to actually become The Most Powerful. Being Powerful wasn’t what made him The Chosen One, it was The Job The Whills set in the force for him to do, and if The Force has no grand destiny for you that decides the fate of existence like it did for Anakin then you maybe powerful but you wouldn’t be a chosen one. Unless The Force inherently has a job for Ahsoka it doesn’t look like she’s a chosen one despite her current power level.

[@seriousnesstv7902]

@@DaleESkywalker Gandalf came back because he had unfinished business and his task was not yet complete. It was also a way to grant Gandalf more access to his power, with less limits. Of course he was not to fight the war of middle earth, rather just aid in buying time for Frodo to destroy the ring.

[@walter274]

Hmm. I came across this video after watching Ahsoka episode 4....

[@imjashingyou3461]

"Some greater Porpoise" there is a conspiracy here and I'm going to find it.

[@blackc1479]

They finally got to Alan, and this is him trying to warn us.

[@Ivbo]

Ahsoka is probably *the* only character aside from maybe Rey that I think has impenetrable plot armour…since her duel with Vader, I haven’t once felt that she was in any danger of dying. Dave literally created another realm between time and space to bring her back, and then he went on to say that just because you hear her talking to Rey at the end of TROS doesn’t necessarily mean she’s dead…let’s be real, Ahsoka is never dying.

[@alucard8433]

Ahsokas races life span would mean she would have died of old age before the sequel trilogy.

[@Ivbo]

@@alucard8433 Dave will probably make up some reason for her to live longer than usual, like *“oh the Daughter’s spirit is inside her and it’s extended her lifespan”* I would not put it past him to say something like that so that Ahsoka can go on to not only reach the time period of the sequels but to even go past them.

[@lenajohnson6179]

He really did't need to... it was beyond strange they felt the need to create time travel to explain how she and vader's duel didn't end in her death.... the building was exploding! They got separated... EASY explanation. Only due to the nerds insatiable bloodlust was it necessary to invent time travel to explain why she's not dead. Despite popular opinion, Vader is not a god, and he's WEAKER than he was as Anakin, while Ahsoka is in TOP FORM. Frankly, she woulda beat him.

[@goldobisen6234]

you wanted her to have a tough fight against a generic inquisitor?

[@goldobisen6234]

​@@lenajohnson6179she survived but lost the fight if you look closely if erza hadn't taken her out vader would have cut her from top to bottom.

[@CaptainBill22]

With the Father, Son, and Daughter gone, and Anakin refusing to take on the role of Warden, a power vacuum is created. The Cosmic Force probably sees Ahsoka as someone that can help fill in the vacuum and act as a regulator. She may even be serving that purpose now whether she realizes it or not. Perhaps, the Cosmic Force needs her for a war against the Yuuzhan Vong and or Abeloth. Have you noticed that her eyes are becoming more and more white like Bendu's?

[@thalmoragent9344]

I dunno, I doubt it. Mortis was gone after what happened, and if they're all gone, there's no need for someone to take the Father's place... cause the Son and Daughter are also dead. But regardless, Anakin better already be a Force God if Ahsoka becomes one.

[@inazumaprimex100]

Idk why people think the Vong and Abeloth are gonna show up in Canon. They're way too dark for disney. Not to mention logistically impossible with the sequel trilogy in the way

[@kittycat0876]

I’m thinking Bendu

[@sfkeepay]

It seems pretty clear that Ahsoka had an exceptionally strong connection to the force from the start. It’s one of the reasons Yoda assigned Anakin to be her master - she needed a teacher who had the capacity to keep her ego in check and realistically shape her perspective as a Jedi. So it’s not unreasonable to suggest that if circumstances had been more “normal”, she might have grown to eventually become as powerful as Mace Windu or even Yoda. Why not? Would we be complaining about plot armor if we were talking about Mace? I seriously doubt it.

[@bennybundi9671]

I think her death by Anakin or 501st would have been a way to crack Anakins conviction to the darkside and open up the way for his future redemption. I like seeing older Ashoka but I think the best stories often have meaningful deaths of known characters so I hope she gets one at some point

[@Belseroth]

filoni has killed off enough people in my opinion.

[@authoritariangentleman7570]

Luke, Leia, Han, Kylo and others, Star Wars is full of meaningless deaths.

[@kadegetslaid634]

​@authoritariangentleman7570 I mean they kinda had to kill of Han and leia

[@insomnia2869]

@@kadegetslaid634 partly agree at least for Han, leias death was a choice, not forced.. she was killed off prior to her actors death (scene was filmed and clearly was a big part of that movie even if the movie is less than stellar) personally i think star wars doesn't entirely need more death, just needs the deaths to be meaningful (Kylos death rubbed me the wrong way in this regard, felt like ray dying would of been better for this.. dying to redeem someone, the last of lukes jedi and his teachings, as kylos redemption to the light, though that's just me)

[@bennybundi9671]

@@insomnia2869 agree on that second paragraph for sure. To me Hans was meaningful in the story but I knew it was mostly bc he was tired of SW. The only meaningful death in Disney that comes to my mind is K2-SO. I guess i like knowing the end of a story but I don't necessarily want Ahsoka to die, especially if its pointless. I'm sort of against her being invincible though.

[@beneckendorff9256]

UNPOPULAR OPINION: I personally think she should've been killed at the end of the clone wars series because of the fact that she has no more important roles she needs to play. She's already gone through her well-written arc in the clone wars and matured into a loveable character. By then she also served her purpose as Anakin's apprentice and one of his only friends. I think her death by the hands of the 501st under her command would've been a good wake-up call to clone wars fans that the show and all the stories it had to tell were at an end. The war is over and the characters it created died with it. The fact that she's still alive and gets to nullify the importance of Luke Skywalker proves her plot armor is thicker than the Felucian Jungle.

[@erictsucks]

Maybe she was meant to, but when Disney bought Lucasflm and the show was canceled it never happened. then in rebels ahsoka appears and can no longer be killed when season 7 of the clone wars came out.

[@mburks3748]

This. All of this. I truly believe that _that_ was Ahsoka's narrative arc, that she was supposed to have been killed either during the Clone Wars or in Order 66. Since initially, her character was universally hated, her inevitable death in Order 66 was looking like a big possibility (and honestly should have happened). But then she became an immutable fan favorite and after that, the showrunners were afraid to off her. And I like her, I just feel like she's been overused, imo. No hate on anyone who feels differently.

[@titanjakob1056]

@@erictsucksoh yeah she was suppose to die Ina gunship crash a week before order 66 correct?

[@-TheMachineGod-]

@@mburks3748it also would have set the dark tone of the Imperial reign if Asoka, Anakin’s last link to the light side other than Luke and Leia were gunned down by the clones we followed all throughout the series without a second thought, a lot like what Warhammer did to Yarrik, at the height of his popularity, he faced down a demon primarch, a foe he had no reasonable chance of beating, and instead of pulling off another miracle, he was cut down in an instant

[@moabman6803]

I think she has a bigger purpose than ever though after the clone wars. She is showing that being a jedi doesn't necessarily mean you need to be joined to a order.

[@sgtepic4659]

I love Filonis interpretation and how he expanded on the concept. I was always very curious about how the force actually worked.

[@jeffjohnson1966]

Maybe the World between Worlds is how Dave retcons the sequels. Think about it, they left themselves the ultimate Mulligan. We make too many changes at the fans don't like, we just have a character go back into the world between worlds and fix it.

[@kadegetslaid634]

They're never gonna rencon the sequels

[@jeffjohnson1966]

@@kadegetslaid634 yeah I know. A man can dream tho

[@marcomcdowell8861]

I think Lucas and Disney have slowly realized that killing off popular characters hurts the bottom line and it really paints them into a corner as the galactic storyline continues. From Boba Fett to Maul on down to Andor. They either have to come up with a way that those money-makers survived, or make up a story of their adventures prior to their recent demise. Probably hit them that Ahsoka was good for business because she appeal to a wide demographic. She won't be becoming one with the Force any time soon 🤣. Money is the ultimate plot armor.

[@neutralbychoice3584]

I really like the mysticism of Star Wars. It makes it so much deaper. I resently watched through Rebels for the first time to prepare for Ashoka and the series just got better as it went on and more of that less explainable stuff happened. It kind of gives Star Wars a real religion with gods and demigods, which makes sense because one of the place George Lucas took inspiration from was classical Greece.

[@ihatecoffee7185]

that's what i been thinking. she has the potential of immortality because of the daughter's essence

[@metal_fusion]

A really cheap way of making a Mary Sue immortal. Sheesh

[@ihatecoffee7185]

@@metal_fusionu clearly don't know what a mary sue is💀 move along now.

[@Omnipulsar]

@@metal_fusion ok rey palpatine

[@Fuzzmo147]

Mary Sue? She’s kick ass, like his fave genre……. Manga

[@karlrovey]

0:23 Nice timing with that clip. The invisible hand clearly lies in the Works sector of Coruscant.

[@widget8973]

isn't Ashoka DF's Gandalf? so she needs to die one more time and come back in order to become Ashoka the White :)

[@rhov-anion]

She's a mentor now, Sabine is the apprentice, and we all know that mentors die for the apprentice to advance. It's part of the hero's journey, and if nothing else, George Lucas stuck religiously to Campbellian archetypes. Perhaps she will even pass the Daughter's spirit on to Sabine, finally awakening some real force abilities in her.

[@mariahspringstead775]

To me it is completely within the greater Star Wars lore that Ahsoka is "chosen" by the Cosmic Force for a certain task, or tasks. In the now Legends book "The Courtship of Princess Leia" Luke legitimately dies on Dathomir. (Legends Dathomir, not Canon Dathomir, they are very different as are the "Force Witches" of the same planet) There is this beautiful moment where the force itself decides that it just isn't Luke's time yet and revies him. In the aftermath of this his force abilities are enhanced. This takes place not long after the battle of Endor.

[@slicerneons3300]

I doubt Filoni will let anyone from his animated series work be seriously harmed. Cares too much about his OC's. Ahsoka being rescued from Vader and Sabine shrugging off a gut impale prove he is too attached, as the Jedi Code warns against.

[@Ryuk45]

Dave Filoni considers it a serious problem that Ahsoka isn't the protagonist of Star Wars. If he could, he'd retcon it so Ahsoka is the hero of the OT lmao

[@walterthompson2195]

I highly doubt this. Do you have a interview that you're referencing or are you just talking out of your arse?

[@goldobisen6234]

ever heard of kanan ?

[@alucard8433]

He had no problem killing off Kanan Jarrus one of his precious animated characters he created.

[@slicerneons3300]

@@goldobisen6234 Kanan is a male. Hera, Sabine, and Ahsoka are female. Filoni is a male nerd. Connect the dots.

[@erbsplays3869]

All of this is just a writer refusing to kill his darlings and jumping through ridiculous world-breaking hoops because of it.

[@moabman6803]

Why should a writer kill a character? If you have a well developed character you make stories about said character. Strange to just kill the character.

[@metal_fusion]

@@moabman6803 Arc Trooper Fives was a good character-> Guess what⁉️ He was killed off

[@moabman6803]

@metal_fusion7748 He was not that well developed. Anyway, his death furthered the clone story. He didn't die just because some people thought he was overused. It had a purpose. As a writer, you don't kill off a character just because you want to move on, that's elementary writing. In fact I believe that was the reason they killed Kaanan, and it was an unnecessary death that hurt the story more that helped it. Same with Han Solo's and Luke Skywalker's deaths.

[@metal_fusion]

@@moabman6803 Anakin Skywalker was a great character who died in RotJ. And his character still exists through flashbacks and stories that served a purpose. Is your ideal way of killing off characters should be used to evolve the story or used as plot conveniences?

[@moabman6803]

@metal_fusion7748 Usually you evolve the plot around the characters. It's usually the characters that draw people to the story. So I would say it's a delicate balance to both. If you kill off important characters you risk alienating the audience completely. That was done in the sequel trilogy in my opinion. Luke was killed off to simply make room for new characters as you would like done to Ahsoka. Ahsoka to the female Star Wars audience is like Luke Skywalker. I dont know if i know of any female fans that are tired of her character. I personally think that killing Luke alienated me from the sequels, but I'm sure some people such as yourself were glad to see old characters flushed out to move the story to new characters to take on a new version of the empire. Luke had been the focus of many many Star wars stories in book form, and he was very powerful which probably put a similar bad taste in the mouth of fans who felt he was overpowered and overused. I personally didn't feel that way about Luke, nor do I Ahsoka, but that's just me.

[@drizztatk]

I’m an og fan, saw the original back in 77’. As soon as the world between worlds was introduced, I couldn’t help but be disappointed in that direction. Time travel/portals usually don’t turn out well in the end. I usually roll with filoni’s storylines but since that happened…I keep noticing all these $hit story beats and decisions. There are too many to list, and I don’t want to bring up the Sabine stabbing that was a mere flesh wound…🙄

[@gmcxproductions]

There’s a really interesting theory out there that Ashoka will be the daughter, and Skywalker will take the place of the father to maintain the balance. Credit to Stupendous Wave (and probably others).

[@jeffreycarman2185]

Clearly Ahsoka is important to Filoni and therefore unlikely to die. What is likely is that Ahsoka will be in future Star Wars movies.

[@chadbrad8100]

Is that a problem?

[@Name1person]

R34 artist are the one’s keeping her alive Just like Overwatch

[@wuspoppin125]

To add more salt in the wound in her first appearance in TCW she was a minor 💀

[@t8kabr8km85]

​​@@wuspoppin125 bro if you know anything about the internet that sadly means more R34 not less, shes like the go to for those kinds of "artists".

[@kan-zee]

Interesting....Why not Tano and Anakin be the chosen one....their is a balance , like the God like Son and Daughter Of Mortis... Disney creators , did say they were gonna change the SW lore ....this is just another chapter of change...and Fans &Viewers, will adapt.

[@martesdeo]

"Porpoise" Really?

[@DaleESkywalker]

I caught that too.

[@thalmoragent9344]

She can, the Force just needs her alive for a bit longer. I doubt she'll become a new "Daughter" of Mortis. I feel that they, as Celestials within the physical plane, can't just be replaced so easily. Now, if she does, Anakin better already be there, and if those 2 are there, the likes of say, Maul, should also be there. Can't just be her. Why aren't the likes of Kenobi or Yoda "Mortis Godlike"? Not saying Ahsoka isn't capable or OP in her own right... but even she isn't built like that.

[@lics01]

Lol. People crying because in a world that can include wizards with laser swords and freaky mind powers can also allow certain individuals to cheat the rules of entropy with little or no cost. It's an epic , a story full of heros and villains that are all far beyond normal humans. The details are irrelevant, it's the message the story delivers that is important.

[@DaleESkywalker]

Absolutely not. She's wearing Plot Armor. She's Dave's babygirl.

[@obviouslysub-dude9082]

Yes, and The Daughter protects her with the convor, Morai. ❤

[@kenbrown2808]

this.

[@insertcognomen]

it's not plot armor...it's the will of the force. star wars actually made plot armor canon

[@discobroccoli198]

Good

[@discobroccoli198]

@@BryceByerleyyou’re weird

[@joranso2much]

I loathe this aspect of the lore I dont mind Ashoka being gifted cosmic favor its the lack of acknoledging the gifts that is reprehensible and the retcon aspect of some quality and some poor writting that ,makes it all THAT more polluted from the core of the original idea as delivered to us over thr last 40 plus years

[@zcorpalpha2462]

She’s not in Force Awakens Just saying

[@wookietalks385]

Yet, confirmed to be alive during TROS.

[@zcorpalpha2462]

@@wookietalks385 What about the rest of the crew ?

[@wookietalks385]

@@zcorpalpha2462 the ghost crew?

[@CosmicAggressor]

It occurs to me that calling anakin and perhaps ahsoka "the chosen one" is inaccurate. More apropriate would be something like "the choosing one" Seeing as they stand at the fulcrum of events and decide where the balence lies.

[@brianschlicher59]

You can call Anakin the choosen one. He was supposed to bring balance to the force which he did. There were numerous Jedi and light side users while few Sith and dark side users. Anakin evened the playing field which wasn't good, but it was balance. I do agree Ahsoka is not a chosen one.

[@TheRealSladeValentine]

@@brianschlicher59 wouldnt call the Jedi good either tho, sending kids to war, brainwashing toddlers with cultlike behavior and doctrines, not letting yourself feel natural emotions the Jedi and the Sith both are sides of an extreme and they are both bad in different ways Sith consume without compassion and the Jedi's lack of compassion consumes look at Grievous for example, thats a monster that the Jedi helped to create by inaction too fearful to help a burning world that was ravaged by war because something-something leads to something-something darkside

[@kadegetslaid634]

​@@brianschlicher59the chosen one is more of an idea tbh, I don't think it's SPECIFICALLY anakin, or at least that's my headcannon

[@brianschlicher59]

@@kadegetslaid634 A lot of words to say that's your opinion.

[@kadegetslaid634]

@brianschlicher59 I can state my opinion bro ☠️ it's not entirely baseless

[@Zminator1986]

As long as Faloni is in charge she'll live forever.

[@samruth240]

What if and the end of the Feloni verse (the movie), Ahsoka gives her life force to Sabine, transferring the daughter to a new host?

[@user-zv9um9pb6w]

I don't think people die from light saber attacks in the Disney star wars.

[@baki484]

Cere Junda did

[@richardwilmer4550]

Obi wan, qui gon jin, douku, countless stormtroopers and battle droids

[@turtlesandmoreturtles]

@@richardwilmer4550 everyone you mentioned was star wars before Disney. They said Disney star wars.

[@turtlesandmoreturtles]

@@richardwilmer4550 also storm troopers and battle droids don't count as they're mostly faceless hordes, not proper characters in the story. Finn is the exception, guess what, he survives a light saber attack in 7.

[@alucard8433]

@@turtlesandmoreturtles Maul would have to disagree with you, Rebels season 3 episode 20 Twin Suns, Obi Wan kills him with a lightsaber. Not to mention the numerous Inquisitors who were killed with lightsabers.

[@ripLunarBirdCLH]

Obviously Ahsoka Tano will not die. Not as long as Dave Filoni is working in Lucasfilm. She's Filoni's beloved waifu and he's ready to even struck a deal with Kathleen Kennedy to protect her.

[@skelleytor]

After Disney destroyed and devalued Anakin's sacrifice by bringing Palatine back .... I wish they would just get it over with finish off Star Wars

[@rodgill9376]

Um... did we sll forget that she died in season 3 of The Clone Wars?! Yes, she got brought back to life but that is besides the point. She was straight up dead!

[@nathanieljackson5554]

Star Wars uses a lot of "fantasy" tropes with it's storytelling and I've always liked that but every sci fi trope also exists in this universe. That's what I hope the Asohka show does lean into the "space magic" side of Star Wars. Seeing other Force using factions that exist outside or inside the Star Wars galaxy would be amazing.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Diehard fans who don't want time travel to be canon could easily be appeased by the fact that the World Between Worlds might operate on eternalism. It is not that Ezra saved Ahsoka, but that Ezra _always_ saved Ahsoka, and by the same token, can't save Kanan because Kanan's sacrifice got him to the World Between Worlds.

[@davidhabda9797]

figurativly yes but technically no as long as the porn/hentai industry exist

[@blucheer8743]

Yes there is a force but there is a positive and a negative aspect to it, a ying and a yang, if everyone is doing negative things the energy is dark,negative and if everyone doing good the force is positive… the Jedi and the sith are tips of the life energy pyramid so to speak. George did a fantastic job combining the spiritual aspect of Christianity and Buddhism with the idea of “anima mundi” world spirit. So basically the Jedi are a combination ninja/samurai and Teutonic knights and are guardians of the Anima Mundi.

[@MataNui.]

Probably, she isn't immortal as far as i can tell. Will Filoni let it happen? Probably not.

[@TheOutsider69]

Remarkably prescient video after Ahsoka episode 4...

[@padrehousecat]

To me Ashoka has same kind of immortality as Obi Wan, although you don’t hear too many people talk about Obi Wan’s immortality. Anakin has even both saved and try to kill both of them.

[@lilantny6462]

I started watching Ashoka and realized pretty quickly that I was missing some of the storyline. Because I never was a fan of cartoon serieses I never watched the clone wars. But after doing some brief research I found that I had to watch this and the other cartoon series in order to get the background of Ashoka that I needed. The final episodes of season 7 were so powerful it taught me never to underestimate cartoons again.

[@sentientmop317]

This aged perfectly

[@Ronythereditor]

Not if filoni has anything to say about it

[@evilchaosboy]

Hey. That was a lovely sermon... _and_ Do you mispronounce the odd one or two words in all your shows? "Ahsoka _T'no_ " , _"porpoise"_ ?? OH! Does she still have the Owl in this live action show? Thanks, Steve. \m/

[@Mac_in_the_Hat]

Filoni will never let his OC die

[@ZrodyApo]

I know this is just speculations but I really see Ahsoka trading her life to save her friends and more particularily Ezra, in a way to return the favor for saving her. So by the end her will and legacy will live on through Sabine (her apprentice) and Ezra (her friend) to finally defeat Thrawn.

[@oatlord]

Maybe after Disney mines all the money it can out of Ahsoka. They know people love her and she's female. Win win for Disney.

[@iyanapressoir3692]

To answer the question its Star Wars and according to Luke, " No ones ever truly gone."

[@Wintermute909]

@ 0:10 sounds like the dolphin's are holding Alan hostage ..... again!

[@theromanorder]

Day 156 PLEASE DO MORE TACTICS VIDEOS AND STRUCTURES LIKE THE CIS NAVY STRUCTURE AND RANKS

[@Reoh0z]

Everyone will like the space between when they realise its the tool for rebooting the sequalogy.

[@primal1233]

Ahsoka Tano basically has plot armor. That's the main reason why she can't ever die

[@chadbrad8100]

lol

[@baki484]

Filoni Armour.

[@dionr1168]

TROS may have confirmed that Ahsoka will eventually die before the Sequel Trilogy, as her voice is among those who spoke to Rey during the duel against Palpatine. It should be noted that all the other Jedi voices in that scene were the voices of Jedi who have long been deceased, going as far back as Qui-Gon Jinn.

[@robos3809]

Actually they confirmed shes alive during tros

[@cameronbaker97]

@@robos3809 I'll believe it when I see it.

[@jarretrausch]

@@cameronbaker97Filoni said she’s still alive at that point, why don’t you believe him?

[@11Survivor]

​@@jarretrauschbecause Filoni can suck a d

[@SupChad735]

@@jarretrausch Because Filoni hasent actually made any reference or story arc in regards to that comment. Until he actually puts it into some form of medium, its just words. In 5 years when he is involved with some other project he could think differently. Also, just because Dave says something in regards to unwritten story, does not mean he has the actual authority to make that happen

[@jameszombies7093]

Can there be another economics video, maybe on the shipyards, or on thrawn

[@GenerationTech]

We have a new republic geopolitics video in the works, can’t promise we’ll do economics only if there’s things that need to be discussed

[@slim420MM]

Shmi doesn't remember Anakin's father because he Jedi wiped her mind.

[@GenerationTech]

Lol that would be so unethical

[@ThadDePadua9928]

Well; for as long as she has plot armor, she can't go down easily. ;-;

[@josedavidcastillo9241]

If by plot armor you mean heavily trained by the Jedi and the Clone Army and specially trained by Anakin Skywalker himself. Then you're right.

[@t8kabr8km85]

​@@josedavidcastillo9241 World between worlds... i rest my case Fagoini simp.

[@MR_LARGE]

the clone wars episode (s) about mordis,w hich ones are they?

[@GGBlaster]

I remember hearing that when Filoni was asked if Ahsoka was dead in TROS, he said “in a sense.” Maybe she goes through some kind of ascension and becomes a second Daughter of sorts?

[@RealCodreX]

Without a second son and father? Impossible! At the very least unworkable.

[@saulokwong1410]

And she fell off a cliff in ahsoka ep 4 and got tp'ed to the world between worlds

[@jaumeroca9612]

Why did they destroy all of this with the writing of Ahsoka on his own series?

[@Golden284-fan]

The amount of word play in that opening monolog triggered me

[@davideluciano7761]

It's reality Lucus read old tablets and the Dejedi was real

[@stuartc2170]

I just hope they use the Celestial Portal to erase episodes 8 and 9

[@Belseroth]

the mortis gods always really freaked me out.

[@Flygupp15]

I think she becomes a bendu like creature

[@Liana-qd5rl]

I believe Ahsoka will die in the same way Obi-Wan died, by sacrificing herself for the greater good. You can hear her voice during the sequels talking to Rey so we can assume she was dead and one with the Force at that time but the sequels are such a mess that one can't know for sure. Btw, love that glass and all the vertical lines, it looks cool.

[@moabman6803]

Actually she was alive during the sequels

[@darkshadowssonic]

Dave never kills his characters. One problem Filoni has is basically he is like a fan fic writer who thinks his OC is the best most unbeatable character who just cant ever lose or die. Not saying Ahsoka is a bad character but Dave just always prioritises his own characters over others.

[@t8kabr8km85]

explains why ahsoka is a bad character and Daves a shit writer then says both facts aren't true. Make your mind up, you were right the first time. Ahsoka is mid, and Dave is fucking terrible. Half the "Star Wars What If" youtubers could do better.

[@Noone-qs5jt]

That's stupid. He killed Satine, fives, Kanan and most recently, cad bane who was a decade old character of his. You're just seeing what you want to see

[@t8kabr8km85]

@@Noone-qs5jt For Cad Bane his heart monitor was still flashing at the end of the episode so not to sure hes actually dead. as for the rest Satine needed to die or why would Obi Wan hide on Tatooine instead of taking Luke to fucking Mandalore. Fives, we all knew what was happening there they are called domino squad for a reason. and Kanan, Dave literally had to be bullied by his entire staff to kill off. when given an option where he has a choice he has only actually killed a character off once thats Kanan and even then he didnt really want to. Every other time they had to die because they arent in the films and for the films to make sense that character must be dead. Eg, Maul does not show up in the original trilogy so had to die in Rebels.

[@Noone-qs5jt]

@@t8kabr8km85 wow now THAT'S a way of covering your eyes and ears to the obvious. So the reasoning for Maul dying is that he didn't show up in the OT? Really? Why didn't ahsoka die then in rebels as well? Hasn't it occurred to you that maybe there was a purpose to his death other than the empty, lifeless "he wasn't in the films" excuse? Don't you think every single character in the clone wars and rebels would be dead by that point then? And what's the reasoning for obi wan taking a newborn to a planet where there was a civil war raging just because there was someone close to him there? If not killed, Satine would at the very least be deposed and fighting maul's rule and would definitely have no time or means for raising anyone. There is no way at all shed be a better option than Owen and beru, and I don't know what led you to believe that. Not to mention, the point of taking luke to Tatooine was knowing that it was the last place Vader would ever return to. And the Kanan part is just bullshit. It's been stated several times that filoni knew from the very beginning of rebels that Kanan would have to die at some point. No one had to "convince" him to kill Kanan off. Twisted reports from filoni detractors. You literally had at least 4 instances of prominent animated characters that were killed with a purpose and had to come up with the most possibly convoluted reasonings to avoid accepting that the evidence doesn't back the "filoni never kills anyone" bias

[@RedXlV]

I don't think it's all of his characters in general, I think it's Ahsoka specifically. Filoni seems to think of her like she's his daughter.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

You think Filoni will kill his little waifu?

[@josephesquivel4066]

We know it was heavily speculated that she may have died by the time of sequel series from the end of The Rise of Skywalker hearing "her" among the voices in The Force speaking to Rey.

[@lerneanlion]

So... the Force wanted what Thanos wanted. Everything to be perfectly balanced as all things should be.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Which is who Kreia hated it and wanted to end it's influence throughout the galaxy.

[@badgamemaster]

I still want to see a Star Wars Infinities story about the Son and Anakin gets away from Mortis...

[@cameronbaker97]

Yeah, they really should bring that back.

[@Reezy1888]

Disney star wars isn't star wars

[@larryhunzel6889]

i think it is fair to say that ahsoka could be another chosen one, especially when i think about the video you did recently about the new galaxy

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Might as well make everyone a Chosen One at this point with how difficult it is to kill main characters.

[@larryhunzel6889]

@@Lobsterwithinternet yeah I get that but I kinda hope that the theory Abt the other galaxy turns out to be true and that’s a new story they can focus new films on

[@jaredmerrill]

Strangely on point after ep 4

[@marksecker6606]

Who even cares?

[@UpcycleShoesKai]

Alans gonna be narrating in the shower next time i bet

[@StevenHouse1980]

Ah the greater Porpoise.

[@Narco42]

If anyone has legit plot armor it's Ahsoka.

[@chadbrad8100]

facts

[@Mister_Matt]

The way I see it, Star Wars has always had a very spiritual side, and I'm very surprised that Time Travel is basically the only major Sci-Fi concept not to have made it to Star Wars after all these decades...at least, not in a way that I know about. So I'm open to all the World Between Worlds bullshit, if its written well! As for this pattern, I wouldn't mind if Ahsoka cheated death one more time for a trinity to match the Mortis Celestials, or perhaps ultimately sacrifices herself or chooses to become one with the Cosmic Force for the Light. Despite the messy sprawl of storytelling across all these different sources, the way you explained her overall arc and this pattern of Cosmic Intervention was extremely satisfying and compelling from a lore standpoint. I have high hopes for Ahsoka, and your videos have me very excited for Star Wars for the first time since Bad Batch Season Two, so thank you - I guess we'll see where this goes!!

[@TheBlckMandalorian]

Personally I’m ok with it if it can all be connected to the chosen one balancing the force. Ahsoka is brought back because she’s an important example, teaches someone, fight/kills someone, save something,etc. Whatever it is has to cause a domino effect leading us to the Second Death Star where the Chosen brings balance back to the force by saving his Son, Sacrificing himself, & killing his master Sidious.

[@t8kabr8km85]

Ahsoka was brought back because Dave is a shit writer who can't stand consequences. He had the perfect opportunity to end her story with Vader really cementing that whole "Vader killed Anakin" thing that otherwise just seems like a lie told by obi wan so like doesn't immediately put that lightsaber through him in ANH. But no, he saved his favourite character and briught in fucking time travel into star wars...

[@Suhayl_Khatib]

I always look forward to these videos.

[@mikii692]

i m afraid I might end up saying this hasn't aged well in a month or two...

[@jibril2473]

I want to know why Ahsoka chose to train Sabine and not Luke?

[@sethviticus1651]

Ashoka considers him the next era of the jedi and probably doesn't want to corrupt it since she herself is conflicted and not technically a jedi anymore. She has more history with the ghost crew and more willing to train Sabine since she's an outcast like her.

[@VacadoRay]

My headcannon is that she was still alive during the time of the sequel series and is just an old lady on some planet

[@GenerationTech]

Haha I hope she gets super sassy by that point and we see some of the old snips. Also I’m pretty sure she is alive.

[@alexlaws5086]

*all the other Jedi show up as Force Ghosts* Ghosts: "Hey, we're going to help some dumbass beat Palpatine again by talking to her (I know, it's weird.) You down?" Ahsoka: "Oh, hell yeah."

[@VacadoRay]

@@alexlaws5086 she stops her heart for a minute to become a force ghost then goes back to being alive😂😂

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

@@VacadoRaythat's palps level force user

[@jaksco]

This aged well...

[@imadoggo3916]

A greater porpoise

[@BenMcNelly]

Greater Porpoise

[@rudolfsmith1748]

Expanded Universe is the only Canon. Disney Wars is KK poor money fiction.