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[@BoroCG]

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[@0ia]

Had a bad experience with skill-share; simply the content isn't good. It doesn't feel like a place for *experts* who are both good at the craft and good at teaching it.

[@steampunckairship]

The new touch of infinity feels like almost a mokery of the normal skin wrinkles, like the infinity cant tell the difference between wrinkles and the rings of a tree. It feels so viseraly wrong in such a unique way. I love it.

[@aliterallumpofcoal9577]

I mean, thematically they can be viewed similarly. Wrinkles on humans and rings on trees are both a sign of age. Maybe it can be viewed as a mockery of the insignificance of lifespan in the face of infinity.

[@PotatoPlayerCraftGames]

But in all seriousness, these new eye designs are so much creepier. Really cool!

[@MoltenMonsters]

Tf you mean “but in all seriousness” you didn’t say anything not serious first?

[@Spookatz.]

@@MoltenMonsters ssshhhhhhh, shut up

[@BoroCG]

He said "First one!" in an earlier comment, which is arguably less serious. Though he was indeed the first one to comment.

[@PotatoPlayerCraftGames]

Really cool that you try to answer most of the comments, I've been following your channel since the "What Makes A Great Monster Design?" video, 1y ago. Keep up with the awesome work!@@BoroCG

[@THE-CHEESE.]

Grandpa still has his warm smile *even with his eyes plucked out* ☺️

[@faceless_zer0]

I love what you're doing with the wrinkles around the eyes of both Grandma and Grandpa, especially with the whole "infinity" concept. The fact you do this almost gives this a Junji Ito vibe to it when I look at it.

[@socialgutbrain7774]

Yeah! It's giving me the one girl from Uzumaki who disintegrates into a spiral. (Her name escapes me with how long it's been since I read the manga)

[@overlordofkebabs7779]

This is so Holesome

[@dcbandit]

I think this works very well, it definitely makes it easier for these two to look "normal" under the right lighting from a distance. Just shadows from the hat or brows can hide the fact they have no eyes until you get too close.

[@animesubway7433]

R.I.P. Olives

[@phalamy9180]

One thing i might suggest, push the darkness further into the back and have the spirals go much deeper. To really elevate the feeling of DEEP endless holes.

[@infinitesimotel]

The dark voids look far more unsettling than glowing eyes it looks far more visceral and "realistic", therefore more immersive. Great work

[@basic6735]

Realistic ≠ immersive

[@infinitesimotel]

@@basic6735 I said "realistic" not Realistic. When it comes to horror in particular, a level of believability is required for it to be immersive or it doesn't work. I'm NOT talking about real in that you have to include sneezing, tiredness, accurate physics etc.

[@juhor.7594]

I feel like gandpa's eyes still look a bit too cartoonish. If for no other reason than that the shapes remind me of a cartoon expression. I think he could use some more uncanniness. Because he looks so friendly, I got the idea of animating his mouth a bit as if he was trying to tell you something, but no sound is coming out. Dunno if it fits your vision.

[@DonGeritch]

those are nice holes. looks better indeed. however, what I did like about old eyes is the idea of something poking out from inside. like the whole vibe of this creatures seems to be like it's a skin worn by something that doesn't fit, like the giant alien cockroach from men in black. the old yes were probably too revealing about the foreign nature of creatures, but maybe theres a more subtle way of having things poking through the eyes. one idea I have is maybe have a shader that keys out the black part of eyes to project some kind of image behind them, so that from a certain angle you could see something in the void beyond the eyeholes looking back at you. and not having it move with the creature, as if the holes are see-through and were just looking through them on what is behind, but we just only see it through holes. I'm not sure if my explanation is clear or I'm overexplaining, but hopefully, it is clear😅 some tendrills poking out sometimes could be interesting too

[@IamSpacedad]

A big problem in a lot of games - including in horror games - is when complicated or realistic creatures/characters are tough to 'read' at a glance. So I like that the first thing the new designs here grab you with is the silhouette of the eye sockets, and the weird exaggerated expressions both have. In addition to Junji Ito vibes, there's a surreal 'scary stories to tell in the dark' book-art vibe of these designs now that feels like whatever corrupted these old folks is sadistically mocking the viewer. I hope that the gameplay and interactions the players have with these creatures is able to keep up with the implications their designs have! Because they definitely deserve some really good animation and strong acting/story moments to capitalize on how memorable they could both be.

[@dffgffffffdddddddddd]

you're always on vaush videos lol

[@AScribblingTurtle]

I wonder if, with some clever shader work, you could make the holes look truly infinitely deep. Like having a static texture, that is bound to the Camera/PlayerView. So if the Granpa/ma move, the texture in their holes would stay static relative to the View of the player. But if the player moves, the texture reacts too. Like a Skybox, that is only visible through these holes. making it look, like what is in these holes is far far away. (Similar to how the stars at night IRL look)

[@lavallion7471]

I think a pulsating light ripple from the center of the holes would be really cool.

[@twistedmyth5860]

I think so too, but I don't think you would be able to see it while playing the game.

[@MigiloDiPilo]

Agree, the new eyes a way better. If I can make one little suggestion, because I see you checking the way the textures look in Blender, but imo it's better to import that mesh and texures and setup the material in Unreal and also checking from what distance/angle you will be viewing those characters as a player. That way you will get a better feel on how they will look in the end. Because the hdri and materials in Blender are different from that in Unreal. Yes, it will cost you some time now to set it up in Unreal, but could save you a lot of time in the end.

[@katydead]

they look so much better honestly! It's so cool seeing you discover the visual concepts and story telling real time. Its so true to the creative process and I'm so happy you're sharing it with us!

[@robot7485]

I love the new eyes! The glowing eyes always looked a bit more charming and friendly to me rather then scary and intimidating. These holes with the distorted wrinkles look so much more surreal and unnerving. I also like that they look like ripples in water, like one drop of infinity completly distorting them! Very cool, cant wait to see more of you working on this game!

[@thejoyfuldragon887]

looks way better! Maybe you could try bringing back that feeling of the eyes from inside looking out by having a tiny light faint source int he centre of the hole? not sure if it would look good though

[@BoroCG]

Pitch black, but shiny little pearls

[@thejoyfuldragon887]

@@BoroCG something like that, yeah. would be worth trying, I think.

[@Reed-ud3vp]

maybe the eyes can roll in and out of the holes if they witness you that could be cool. when the eyes roll into the grandmas body it could have a glow from the chest hole area! looks pretty creepy tho you’re good at what you do!

[@flamingbullett]

The red around the eyes really sells the "infection" look and the idea that the fractal dimension stuff is foreign to their bodies unlike the neophytes

[@zhenshei9398]

These are awesome. I much prefer them now, but I do feel like I’m missing the sense of infinty within the eyes themselves. Continue the glowing rings inside the holes!

[@Zagregarian88]

Plus the glowing ripples will be more recognizable visually from afar. And cause more motif connection to the neonates

[@catpoke9557]

I agree! The glowing rings inside added an eeriness to the design that they don't have now. The way it draws attention to the eye holes and emphasizes their depth, it's just creepy.

[@sebos1790]

i remember when you aded the glowing i was like "please noo" really glad to see you changed it for the better. honestly amazing work. the holes look extremely unsettling

[@NataN-0v0-]

oh my goodness. these new holes look amazing! and the way the roughness and normal combine together and made it even creepier - stunning! Absolutely love it! I am deeply amazed with your work and so inspired 💖

[@stavwolf]

I would like to see some areas where we see normal human qualities show through. Maybe some patches of normal old person skin and liver spots or one normal eye socket. Maybe one side of the mouth is normal with lips. Creepy is good but creepy everywhere starts to lose it’s power. Thanks for showing this process.

[@LuciusFinn-ir5ri]

I love those character designs! Imagine if those waves/ripples were animated, so that it looks like the skin is perpetually being sucked into the eyeholes. That would freak me tf out, in game wise

[@jeffreywarrenpark9149]

Rather than sculpted "ripples" on both characters, why not try "animated ripples", that radiate INWARD towards the centers of the eye sockets & mouths? Although, I don't personally know how to implement it, I would think there should be a way to include your idea of glowing rings into the animated texture. So, in effect, these glowing rings would be flowing into the the depths of "infinity" within the deepest areas of the holes in your characters. 'Just a thought...

[@terrazicaio]

i thought the exact same when he did the neonates touch of infinity, imagined the ring either rippling, or some some of emissive color pulsating arround them, not entirely litting them up, but rather iluminating tiny spots, very faintly, pulsatiog and rotating arround the rings. Could look really ood in a cool and fitting wya, or just look terrible, but might be something to look at (also might be way to complicated to do, but by the way Boro impresses me by how much he can learn, i wouldnt be surprised if he figure out how to do this)

[@GoodSoda]

Was gonna comment this, would look sick if it was animated.

[@Estel_]

I definitely thing the new eyes are a huuuuge improvement compared to the previous ones, however I can't help but feel like the new ones make the old couple oddly... adorable in a way. With their goofy grins and the place where their eyes are supposed to be being a solid black, their faces remind me of a Pomeranian puppy! Like, the solid, beady, black eyes. Very cute, imo. Maybe if there was a small detail, or something to hint at there being something within that darkness could change my perception. They currently don't hit that 'uneasiness' that your other works do, but nonetheless, great work!

[@coltonhasty7694]

I think it would be a cool addition to have bulging veins coming out of the holes under their skin, especially around the eyes, but it could take away from the "touch of infinity" look. Another thing that could be cool is to see about adding some white "pupils" into their eyes that look like they're very far away, almost as if its whatever is looking through the witness's eyes. I love the new eyes and am just throwing out ideas, but seriously these are awesome looking already!

[@socialgutbrain7774]

The veins idea could work. Perhaps the rings themselves could be colored like veins? And the pinprick eyes are very intriguing

[@alexhydron]

Hey Boro! In the blender shader editor, you can select multiple image textures, hold ALT, while holding ALT change the settings of one image texture (like switching to non color) and it will change all of them... This same logic works pretty much throughout the hole software, whenever you want to change the settings of multiple things at once hold ALT! I wish someone told me about this sooner 😅

[@gloomeglo224]

Awesome video, and they look much better than what they originally were! On a different note, I found something interesting. As time went on in the video, your actual eyes became more and more bloodshot, near your tear ducts. It's ironic that you were working on the eyes of your characters, meanwhile your actual eyes were becoming strained in the process. Completely useless, but something I noticed that I found interesting.

[@pangtrilby9286]

Holes! Man I can't wait to play the demo

[@tunk_2ton168]

i think a very very subtle tiny yellow glow in the deep would look cool. like when they are in a very shady area the eyes draw you in more.

[@heliumowl1840]

Yeaaa while the original eyes felt creepy in an amphibian or salamander way, they did start feeling dorky a tad after Love at first Move short. Holes definitely fit with the other enemies much better design language wise.

[@jilliancrawford7577]

I hope your game blows up and finds its way on the biggest gaming channels!

[@leethememerwolf]

the models are stunning to be honest

[@tristanmarler43]

The holes look sweet! Super creepy

[@DemanaJaire]

So glad you removed those eyes. I never liked them but never had courage to say that. xD

[@ttabata]

i loved the new designs for the characters! you're very creative and your decisions for improvement its always on point

[@AllExistence]

How about adding small glowing balls inside eye sockets? Or even better, several ones? Or maybe like insect eyes growing inside, except glowing?

[@stunthumb]

So much creepier than before, awesome work!. Maybe it would be cool to have them crying... like constant dribbles of, as if there's a tiny little bit of humanity left in the eyes.

[@azelusnova]

Any hole is a goal

[@ChickeS0up]

when i saw this on my fyp, i thought this was CG. Like, some trailer for a game or movie. this is so frickin cool

[@wilted_kale]

Loving the progress. I can see your art style better in these characters than the environments.

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

These ended up looking amazing!!!! I first found you through the witness modeling video so... Nice to see them remade!

[@richardconstable5086]

Massive improvement Boro. Looks fantastic!

[@jakecavendish3470]

I feel like this could be a good advert for sunscreen and retinol

[@Achilless1]

When I take a look at these characters I can't help about thinking how cool they would look in a little nightmares esc game, Where you the player are small and the characters - bigger.

[@ssscout]

terrifying

[@oldtools6089]

some subtle deformations as an anticipatory prehensile sensory organ would be unnerving.

[@GasMaskedThings]

Hope i can binge all 54 videos before the game comes out

[@LYMOZ.]

i think interesting addition would be making a small even tiny light sources as if implying that something is lurking deep inside these holes or inside of their minds.

[@Vege-Table]

Oh yeah, that looks way better. I didn't quite like the original eyes when I first saw them so I'm glad you decided to fix them

[@feldinho]

now I want a pair of vantablack contacts

[@user-qy1wd7si8o]

You are amazing. keep it up😊

[@chuzzbot]

A far off star field behind the eyes

[@socialgutbrain7774]

I haven't checked in on your progress in a while now, but holy cow, they look so much more... wrong. In a good way, of course! The body horror aspect is heavily strengthened in a way that makes these bodies feel more corrupted than simply possessed.

[@sickreboot]

Made the mistake of trying to eat while watching this. Nauseating. Big fan!!!!

[@artofmenezes]

That looks 100000000% better. Nice choice.

[@alexm666]

Man, I didnt know about you 30 mins ago, and now it's an instasub! Keep it up!

[@cybcov]

what if u give the grandpas stomach spine thing scoliosis

[@greyarea_games]

Hehe good job man :) it’s not easy to make something creepy nowadays. Really interesting design :)

[@jacksteiner1034]

I did like the eyes before too but maybe not glowing? The new ones are awesome too

[@killwillgaming4261]

This gives off the vibe of courage the cowardly dog Muriel and Huestis

[@obione_ken3037]

They look too good. Congratulations

[@Leo-ht7od]

Woah, I’m so happy I found this! I can’t wait to see the finished game.

[@fire_opal11037]

Ive been following this videogame project and it looks so amazing so far, will this be on steam when released?

[@bob-joe]

You should add voicelines, but not many. Like some of the grandpa saying something maybe the monsters will make a sound or the chatacter might talk a little but only when logical

[@Clybielike]

Yessss so much creepier!!

[@SpectreKelevra]

Amazing, very beautiful in a gnarly and grotesque way. Could you share some of the specs of those models? Like poly count and material/texture attributes needed for that level of detail in a game?

[@hunderc_]

looking pretty good man

[@GriffinTwo]

Try fingers, but holes

[@BoroCG]

I read that too quickly

[@3dscanstore]

Horrific! ha ha, nice work!

[@besseralsgut111]

hole is hole, game is game

[@renoia3067]

What if, on the grandma maybe, her eye-holes were merging together into one big hole, still obviously eye sockets but like the flesh between them was receding

[@The_Wall7283]

Looks very cool

[@IvoryShard]

I love the new look!

[@Neyspaniel]

He solved the FNaF Movie problem 🎉 🐻 🎶 Hor hor hor hor hor 🎶

[@speedb.bernard5404]

I think that whitneses should make mufled screaming noises as if they are trying to call for help but something isn't allowing them to open their mouth

[@mashtyx928]

Indeed Holes. Very cool and creepy holes.

[@m_art8494]

iam so exited to play your game one day

[@sebastianthecat4839]

It's weird shading on the right eye of the grandma

[@Term-0]

what if you could see another pair of eyes deep within the face. you wouldn't see it normally, but it would be pretty apparent in cut scenes for example.

[@artastic_friend]

They look so much better now! (In the creepy way) Very gross, it’s perfect

[@saeshii]

Gaping Eyesockets

[@averageaustralian7488]

Holes.

[@Maschinengoth]

Little Nightmares vibes. I love it.

[@TheBonbon3272]

Creepy and awesome!

[@joemotive]

20:31 made me laugh 😂

[@mruniverse9500]

Oh hey it's the grandparents, long time no see

[@kien197]

Hey boro, what is that laptop you use ? It seems to handle all the 3d workd pretty well

[@TUKMAK]

I like the no glowing eyes, think thats a huge improvement. But now they seem a lot less... fleshy. I dunno

[@WaltMarkson]

You have an incredible talent!👍🏼👏🏼

[@TruthSurge]

I liked them better at 10:49. Showing flesh inside the socket looks more visceral as if his eyes had been plucked out and they healed that way. just my 2 cents. scary either way.

[@catpoke9557]

Can't do it that way, because it's supposed to look like infinitely deep holes. Seeing flesh makes them seem... well... not infinite

[@TruthSurge]

@@catpoke9557 ok, but I hadn't heard that part of the vid yet. I just compared them only visually and I thought having the flesh there looked more repulsive and brutal but if he wants to make a theme of it, that's cool. At least he added ribbing to imply that the eyes do go back and back. I just saw the first part where it was a black hole and that didn't cut it for my tastes.

[@catpoke9557]

@@TruthSurge Personally I also don't find these just straight up hole eyes scary either. I'm wondering if he can find a way to get this infinity hole look while also making it look more eerie

[@TruthSurge]

@@catpoke9557 Prob not. Any kind of fractal or design would be really small from a distance. Fractals are basically infinite. I guess black could be like outer space. Oh well... They look okay with black holes but... maybe have stars in there to imply that the black goes WAAAY back. Maybe galaxies? heheh

[@AviusL]

Just your average, cute, elderly couple you'd see walking down the street, hand in hand 👍

[@MNoddle]

holy moly

[@420SanSai]

Spooky

[@TheGallicWitch]

You've made them IMPRESSIVELY gross and I'm... impressed. I have the simultaneous want to stare at them for hours and also to forget they ever existed

[@samoht1288]

0:07 😂😂😂 I know but I shouldn’t

[@Ryouhen_]

Hey Boro, I would be interested in purchasing the 3D models of this video, would it be possible?

[@Kuating]

I wanted to sleep broooo. NOOOO