Holmes Hobbies Revolver vs 3Brothers RC Yellowjacket - Best Outrunner Motor?

[@majicsmokerc3664]

I have a Revolver 1400kv with a Sidewinder 4 ESC and really like it. The Mamba X is nice for the adjustable BEC though. Just tell people that ask about the sound that it has a soundbox that's set on Tesla.

[@teslatech8914]

I have that set up as well and it is awesome.

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

Sound comes from the electric impulses from the esc and the outrunner acts as a speaker. Different esc's , different sounds. Yes , Holmes motors are stronger by far. He's been building them much longer and is the actual tech behind these motors. But I can't say anything bad about 3Brothers , they have really good motors....I have a couple of ACIS SIX motors but roughly 15 or 16 Holmes motors. Where'd you get the idea that you can't run Outrunners in 2-speed rigs? Or in bad conditions? Or bash with them? They are extremely durable. Rinse them with clean water, compressed are and oil the bearing it'll obviously last longer but even ran hard and put away wet they will last years.

[@Bassin07Si]

I run the 2000kv yellow jacket and i absolutely love it

[@WillB.6759]

Holmes hands down!! Just my preference is all.

[@x3thelast]

New to the crawling scene, but I really appreciate your work for the hobby. Learning so much and I'm already planning out my second build! haha

[@michaelmaxwell7638]

Good video. I’m run Holmes Revolver 1800 stubby with micro mamba x in my Capra. Play with castle software for esc to help with throttle control and noise. I run on 4s. Lol Cheers

[@HighhScore]

Michael Maxwell how loud is it on 4s? I run mine in my Capra with the Sidewinder4 on it’s limit @ 3s and my motor fucking screammmmms

[@jdsrcs8061]

This was a cool comparison!!! I think the noise would kill me or give me a migraine after awhile!!! Can you do a comparison video of their brushed motors?

[@ok1mon]

To me, the outrunner sound is very cool and “mechanical”. It’s a conversation starter at the trail. The motor/ESC combo is relatively cheap and gives excellent control; it compares well with a more costly sensored setup.

[@joshluper2947]

I can’t find a cheap esc to run do you recommend any ?

[@byknmikerc7153]

John holmes says the 540 snub makes twice the torque of 550 brush motors

[@chrisvinicombe9947]

Don't know if I could put up with that noise. Otherwise they seem great for fair weather rock play.

[@jerrywatson1958]

You get very use to it. In fact while rock climbing it gives more feedback on how much stress I am putting on the drivetrain especially when I am bound up in tight rocks. (TRX4 Defender)

[@jasonrobson676]

Some of the best RC info on the net! Keep it up.

[@RCReviewChannel]

Appreciate it.

[@mrboat580]

2000kv Yellowjacket with about 60 hrs of crawl time on it and it has been flawless with the Copperhead10 ESC on a 2200 3s lipo. I don't use a fraction of the power this puts out with rock crawling. I could almost just set the transmitter to idle speed and just use steering alone. Hard to believe that this motor technology is a couple hundred years old by now.

[@coldstne1]

I love my revolver! Even though the sound reminds me of sitting in the dentist’s chair, I’ll never choose a different motor, Holmes Hobbies all the way! Franco

[@RCReviewChannel]

Dentist's chair... ha ha!!!

[@laserbeam1620]

My wife is a hygienist and she says they remind her of her job lol

[@HighhScore]

I have the bigger cheaper version of the revolver (Devolver). I was wondering if I am able to run this motor in clean fresh water?

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

You can abuse the crap out of that motor. Yes , you can run it in water. My son runs his in lake and river water often, does mudbogs sometimes(he did the Motor-drop conversion on his Trailfinder so its one of the first things to see crud) never cleans it...tho I do recommend cleaning it after with fresh water, compressed air and re-oil the bearing. I know of someone that runs deep mudbogs with a Revolver. Outrunners have no internal electronic's...very simple and durable design.

[@HighhScore]

Woww did not know that! I’ve been shying away from running my Capra in water but not anymore! Ahh man that makes me excited for the next time I take my rig out! Thank you for the reply!

[@tomlucasrccrawlers9108]

@@HighhScore Oh , you're welcome. I love being excited for a project. But I'm feeling more rushed than excited for my builds because I have so much to do before the yearly Pro-line By The Fire event coming up....this happens every year. Hahaha

[@cutximbiriosos3239]

Do you think that a really cheap Surpass C2820/3542 could do something similar? The surpass costs only 15-20$ and looks great but could it works great on a crawler? Maybe on a buggy or similar?

[@MCsCreations]

Great review and comparison, dude! 😃 About quadcopters, we use BLHELI_S or BLHELI_32 escs and they can even play music on the startup. So... Someone should create a version from one of those for rc cars!

[@sparkmastermeow6926]

Thanks for the video :) Can i ask what part you used to mount the element battery long ways?

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

Francis, I've had several conversations with John Holmes over the years... The KEY is Magnets! Holmes uses the highest quality Rare Earth Magnets that are almost twice as strong as in any other Motors. One thing I can't get the answer to is... I have flown RC Aircraft for years with Outrunners. NONE of them make that racket!! 😖 Now, RC Aircraft ESCs are forward only (of course) but that can't be the only difference. Carmine ✈🚂🚙

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

Frankly, noise or not, I'd love to have one!!

[@RCReviewChannel]

The reason outrunners don't make noise in planes or drones is because they are not modulated at very low rpms. That's where it makes noise and the outrunner serves as a speaker.

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

@@RCReviewChannel Funny, John just finally gave me a reasonable answer too!! No, they're not modulated. Also the ESCs run at much lower frequencies, because there's no need for any slow speed control. He told me that if Outrunners catch on more, he's going to work on the "speaker" issue! Then he started going into quantum electronics, and totally lost me!! 😳😖 Could be interesting... John is a brilliant Electronic Engineer. And a NERD!!! 😜

[@GrumpyOldManRC]

Always great info from you guys. Thanks!

[@hillie47]

I'm looking for low speed crawling control on a Capra. I intend to keep it lightweight, of course with strategic weights for climbing performance. What's your take on motors? An outrunner (revolver, yellowjacket) at lower kv (1200 to 1800) or a sensored puller pro stubby in a similar kv range? I don't care too much about speed, want to keep weight fairly low. Punch occasionally matters of course, but the yellowjacket didn't seem too much worse than the revolver. I'm considering the sensored option because of the noise, I kind of like lower noise.

[@jesusibarra3608]

Hey buddy, great videos. Could you upload a video of you guiding a gspeed chasis rig? With ar45 axles? nd the parts one may need to finish the build??

[@Boss-dr2zk]

Love the sound

[@davidgt754]

Hello friend, a question will you have any of the engines that you are showing in this sales video

[@danhodgkiss9798]

Will these work with a xr10 justock esc?

[@take-care]

Feel like I’m setting in a waiting room at the dentist! Think all pass on the snubs I like my 3.5t tekin brushless set up in my trx4

[@daronbantin2126]

Are all brushed 380 motor cans the same dimensions

[@Jrod_FPV]

has anyone ever tried a quiet FOC esc? (Field oriented control) supposedly they're very quiet and even smoother than traditional esc's. HW uses FOC technology in their system but it's a sensored inrunner.... i want to see it done with a motor as you have in this video. I have a FOC esc here, just waiting on a motor to mount it up.

[@fernsolo]

Great video, great information as always 👍

[@rccrawlersmid-wales645]

Great stuff, cheers! 👍😀

[@udishtelman687]

I like the sound of it , sounds like a jey engine

[@Ennis09]

So I have about a $230 budget, I am stuck between axe 550 3300k, or Sidewinder 4 w/ Tenshock 2400kv, ( cheaper set-up ), or wait for a mamba X w/ a 2800kv or 3800kv slate motor to come in stock, whats your take man! Your the go-to man for information, you have tons of experience!

[@lemonzai5775]

Can the revolver v2 2200kv running on 4s?

[@rccochesspain1108]

Hello. Please tell me which engine is better to use on a trophy model 35T or 55T(for a smooth ride )?

[@RCReviewChannel]

What brand/model vehicle?

[@rccochesspain1108]

AXIAL SCX-10-2 2000 JEEP CHEROKEE in stock stood 35T.

[@mcplutt]

Why not a 45T?

[@rccochesspain1108]

Svein Hanssen . So it was in stock. I bought a car on RCMart.

[@johnroddy931]

Motor comparison awesome

[@marccyberwiz]

All these Motors are out of stock. Where can I find Holmes revolver?

[@johnrobholmes]

I have a batch in assembly right now, probably another month. Some vendors may still have stock though.

[@HighhScore]

Buy a Devolver!

[@marccyberwiz]

John Holmes best customer support! John you make me want to purchase all Holmes products going forward. Thank you

[@johnroddy931]

John Holmes is working on a silent esc gonna come out this year

[@ScaleCrawling]

Where can I find more info about this?

[@johnroddy931]

ScaleCrawling on Holmes hobbies Facebook page but it’s still in the works

[@agoodballet]

Any sensorless motor will make some noise. The 380 revolver will blow your mind, for how tiny it is it sure does make power.

[@dogcrick]

This is funny lol! Knockoff vs Original using a dishonest test.... 2020 is lit lol! I will be sticking with Holmes Hobbies the original. The innovator not the imitator. Been in it since the beginning and knockoff efforts never cease to disgust me.

[@dogcrick]

@UCSQCY2DqZ6-9cU2iDWen-aQ 1 Never gotten a free product in my life. 2 What in the fuck makes you think I never heard of 3brothers?? I literally work in the rc industry. Willing to bet money I knew a out them long before you buddy. 3 I don't "think it's a knockoff" because you think I have never heard of them. I know it's a knock off because I actually know the ins and outs of the industry and the products in it. And thanks for sending me your little smartass message on fb. Made my day lol! Like who in the fuck goes around threatening KZbinrs with unsubscribing?? That is a special type of entitlement you got lol!

[@HighhScore]

Holmes or nothing.

[@proraptor4146]

You guys are dorks, god forbid there is any competition out there.

[@Voodoobrew101]

Where is the line drawn? Is the trail king just an axial knockoff then? are all 3slot 540 motors knockoffs because they are all built on similar principles.

[@xr70man]

Oh yeah because there was no such thing as an outrunner before holmes hobbys

[@mohdkhusairi4048]

Sir" Esc Surpass 45A cant this is a moto ?

[@RenoLaringo]

Always heard brushed motors were much more appropriate for pure crawling for their ability to be much more torkey and precise in low speed control (even the Holmes Hobby ceo testifies it. Who is right ?

[@RCReviewChannel]

That was more in the past when brushless motors were not sensored and jerky. Now, amazing brushless motors have been developed. And these new outrunner motor like the ones in this video have so much modulation and power density now. And they require very small batteries that can be placed anywhere. As far as John Holmes statement, he says a lot of high level competitions still have guys on brushed motors. That's likely cause they're old and have their brushed motor setups dialed perfectly already. In our local areas, competitions are dominated by brushless. Just so many more options with power, delivery and weight. That being said, very high-end brushed motors are still very good. But they require a lot of maintenance.

[@RenoLaringo]

@@RCReviewChannel Thank you so much Francis for the attention and the time you put in answering my message! 👍 I really didn't expect an answer from the guru himself 😉. Man I spent hours watching and listening to your videos. You became my main information source regarding RC hobby. I really like the vibes when you present your opinions. It's refreshing, funny and soothing all at the same time. I really appreciate what you do. When I will eventually build my rig (I'd like a high -perf capra) you can be sure I will owe it to you and John from Holmes. You guys are at the top of the food chain when it comes to crawlers knowledge😁. You also helped me keep some sanity in this crazy world we live in. Thank you!!! Have a blessed year, you, your family and your loved ones. Best vibes from Belgium !

[@jamesbruce1183]

A higher frequency switching ESC should move the sound above the hearing range. Also you are comparing a brushed motor to the brushless outrunner. Not a fair comparison.

[@bravo1xray522]

300kv at 11.1 volts is a big difference. Like 3300rpm. You need to compare equals not different kv. It's really not a fair comparison. Love your videos but need to keep it fair....

[@evintacy7272]

I maybe crazy but I don’t mind the noise!! Haha

[@RockinTrailZ]

Awesome, reminds me of dial up lol

[@sikolikhole]

I've been tempted to buy one but that noise is awful. Plus the only gain I'd have is weight loss.

[@ThatGuyKappa]

talk about thinking outside the box

[@RCReviewChannel]

Yeah, mind-blowing

[@josh6575]

1800kv vs 1500kv is 300kv from having a comparison. Both are very good performing motors.

[@RCReviewChannel]

That is true. But there exists no matching kv for these two. For the record, we have a 2000kv 3Brothers Yellowjacket and the Holmes 1800 is still faster and has more punch. Both are great motors indeed and we have use for both. Noise and modulation are key for us.

[@ruftime]

Remember that’s a difference of 300kv per volt😎

[@JViello]

@@ruftime 300 *rpm* per volt. We are talking 3000rpm difference, not much at all really. That "pop" you see from the HH motor has nothing to do with the difference in KV.

[@paulmastone6886]

Pass to both of those. Team brood riot ss for the win.

[@BlackUnitAdventureSport]

🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟

[@lmankj]

The sound is a deal breaker for me

[@RCReviewChannel]

Yes, that is true for a lot of folks

[@trinhquy]

Brushless for crawlers is such a bad (if not dumb) idea.

[@JViello]

Yeah, who wants greater efficiency, less waste heat, more power, longer run times, virtually no maintenance, worry free under water running, incredible drag brake and super smooth modulation. Such a bad (dumb) idea...

[@aaroncarey2909]

Im pretty partial to my holmes hobby revolvers. Its nice having low end crawler torque and plenty of power and wheel speed to throttle out when in doubt. Sucks having to pick either torque or wheel speed with a brushed motor.

[@terjehimle3107]

too loud :(

[@dennispobanz8165]

Sounds like your at the dentist's office.

[@HedlessHorsman]

I've had 3 Yellowjackets, all were terrible. Awful drag brake power, much less torque than any other outrunner I have. Brood for life

[@semenovss]

Greetings. Thanks so much for your work. We are happy to watch your work from Russia. For ourselves, we found that these engines are wonderfully controlled by ESC with BLHELI_32 firmware (BLHELI_S behaves worse) from quadrocopters. The firmware allows the engine to operate at VERY low speeds. The engine with these controllers runs silently. It remains cold. The regulator itself is tiny and costs $ 15. It supports up to 6S and can be easily sealed. It is necessary to switch it to Biderectional mode through the BlHeli configurator. Hope this helps you.

[@RCReviewChannel]

Russia, oh man. Proves that a rad lifestyle and hobby crosses all borders.

[@pishpash75]

Does it have a drag brake? Cool idea, i’m looking into it for a 1/18 brushless buggy

[@KorDen77]

Сергей, здравствуйте! Какой ESC рекомендуешь для outrunner двигателя? И какой конфигуратор? У меня crawler на колёсах 140мм, двигатель DXW C3542 920KV (может два двигателя установлю на один спур). И как одеть пиньён на ось (двигатель пока едет ко мне - по этому пока не имею представления как установить)?

[@Molekulasti]

65 dollars for a cheap quad motor... Jesus Christ. You can call it crawler specific as much as you want.

[@RCReviewChannel]

Interesting option. Have you tried it in a crawler? Experiences to share with us? Drones are certainly helping keep the industry push the technology and price envelope since they have economies of scale. Small builders and developers in crawlers have to do all the R&D and testing themselves and make a living.

[@Molekulasti]

I'm slowly replacing all my motors with outrunners but I'm not falling for the hype of rebranded drone motors "specially" designed for crawlers. I'd give HH a chance but not for that price. It's not my duty to overpay for something just because it's being sold by a small company. This other company... cheap Chinese drone/rc airplane motor with a fancy graphic. At the end of the day, esc is what matters. I can make a silent crawler esc with AM32 firmware for 30 dollars. Can't believe that people pay 100+ bucks for a flashed drone esc, either.

[@jettthomas9453]

how loud is the brood riot how does it compare??