Holosun EPS Which Reticle & Color Work Best For You?

[@lawless911sc]

Green dots need less color tint in order for the green light to reflect off the inside of the glass. Red is a lower wave length of light than green, and therefore you need a blueish hue to off set that low energy, so more light is reflected to the user's eye by blocking it from transmitting through the glass. It makes the red "pop" as blue blocks red light better. For night vision use, the lens for the green reticle will be coated to block/ reflect green colors - like the reticle AND your green phosphor NODs. That's why the red reticle'd dot sight works better.

[@CDOES]

Thank you for the education! Makes absolutely perfect sense!

[@KeterMalkuth]

My question then would be how the green tint would affect night vision, unless you're using a clip on NVG in front of your red dot, for some odd reason? Assuming we're referring to passive aiming here, Nods translate infrared light into visible light of a single color. The spectrum of light that the tint blocks, hopefully, shouldn't be within the infrared bands of light. If it was, you'd think that the red reticle tint would be worse for night vision, as red is closer to infrared than green is. All that said, I just don't understand how the night vision use would be affected the way you describe?

[@lawless911sc]

@@KeterMalkuth I probably hip shot my comment a bit, so here goes it. Let's use Green plant life as viewed by the naked eye. Chlorophyll gives plants their green color because it does not absorb the green wavelengths of white light. Chlorophyll, which cannot be detected by visible light, is sensitive to near infrared light. A high percentage of near infrared light is reflected off the leaves in healthy plants. Also, reflected near-infrared radiation can be sensed by satellites, allowing scientists to study vegetation from space. Healthy vegetation absorbs blue- and red-light energy to fuel photosynthesis and create chlorophyll. A plant with more chlorophyll will reflect more near-infrared energy than an unhealthy plant. Thus, analyzing a plants spectrum of both absorption and reflection in visible and in infrared wavelengths can provide information about the plants' health and productivity. So it goes with the coatings on the lens of the dot sight: The green dot will not show up brightly unless you turn the brightnesses settings waaaay up and get reduced battery life - unless you coat the lens with a filter that blocks or reflects these wavelengths of light. This causes the green dot to "pop" and it will also block near-infrared light as well. The green phosphor dot display will only display green at the ocular end of the NODs, but you must also keep in mid that depending on what hue of green the dot sight lens is calibrated to block/reflect that will also have some effect on what color is displayed on a green phosphor display (darker or brighter). That's not to say that if you had a white phosphor dot display that you could then easily see through the green dot sight - I hope I didn't confuse anyone over that. Whatever coatings are on the green dot sight they are having a similar effect as a LIF (light interference filter) maybe in the 500ish nm spectrum. Next time you have a set of Nods on, try looking at a bunch of green plant life, and you will notice a variety of different hues and brightnesses that do not represent what you would see with your naked eye. I hope this is the answer you were looking for.

[@spitfiremac]

Lawless... any clue on how light transmission would work in the green dot if using white phosphor or digital like a sionyx opsin?

[@ryang8040]

The man behind the most detailed optics reviews on KZbin.

[@CDOES]

POW!

[@AlexP_626]

Honestly best review I have found in my opinion. Other guys drag on without actually displaying how they are used. Great job.

[@28_babyshark]

Great video. I really like how you show us all the close-up on what the dot and what it looks like under different backgrounds. This video really did help me. Thanks

[@silly_ghillie]

Great watch! It's a bit weird having listened only to your voice for the last 2 years and finally seeing your face. But worry not. you passed. I will continue watching your channel! ❤

[@JonesyMcDanes]

what a handsome lil guy

[@CDOES]

🥰

[@seymour2113]

Seriously

[@silly_ghillie]

I know right!

[@jedi7489]

The best optics reviewer. Period.

[@CVilla49]

My brother just recommended me your channel. Got to say, it's a good start when I saw the planetside shirt. Wasn't expecting a optic review channel to feature anything planetside related. That being said, I look forward to seeing what you do next. 👍

[@coser293]

The suits should cut him a bonus check

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

NC for life.

[@aceryn2341]

Great breakdown! Helped me decide on the green EPS.

[@Taino5]

Thanks bro. I’ve watched countless videos to find which I should put on my pistol and after watching this I know exactly what I’m going to run on my pistol, carbine & rifle. Thanks bro. Your the truth!

[@CDOES]

Perfection!

[@jimsjacob]

I was leaning towards the 6MOA myself as well. From a retail RMR site, they reported that overall, people with an astigmatism report that the green color is more “friendly” plus uses less power and distorts less. I realize as you pointed out, “no two eyes are the same” and you lean towards the Red Dot however. Great content and info. My first choice is the EPS-Carry-GR-6 and this breakdown has been very helpful! Thank you!!

[@LeadSteel]

Always knew you were a stud 💁 Thanks for the comparison homie.

[@gord033371]

Thank you for the information in this video. I was on the fence between the two and your video helped decide

[@bearwoolsey9949]

Great to see your face C! Long time viewer here!

[@ChocolateStranger]

Been having this exact discussion with a friend. Thank for this awesome video C, best optics man in the business.

[@CDOES]

Pew pew!

[@dmoney6005]

Can’t wait to get this optic, thanks for a great review as always

[@CDOES]

My pleasure

[@Dooby0071]

Woooow a voice to the face! Awesome video keep cranking them out

[@mattrampulla]

Very in-depth review! Great work! Thanks

[@jmarvosa6x3]

Amazing speaker, reviewer, DP… & a cutie. Keep on C!

[@CRinJersey]

You dropped a face unboxing/ first impression vid! Thanks for the content!

[@Westonwat]

Best dot review I’ve found on YT. Thanks

[@CDOES]

You flatter me. Thank you

[@michaellowery928]

C, I appreciate what you do! Keep 'em coming!

[@koja6241]

I like the 2moa grn inside the 32 moa circle.

[@RiverBoundXJ]

Insanely underrated channel.

[@touge242]

6moa red EPS is hands down my favorite pistol dot. Compared to a 509t-x2 (improved 2nd gen), the 6moa red EPS has less distortion or parallax and less blue tint. Better than the glock native scs as well. It is the closest I've experienced to "a red dot floating in thin air".

[@CDOES]

They are quite nice

[@patrickmurphy8008]

Im not used to you NOT being a disembodied voice while i subconsciously imagine myself as your eyeballs

[@PkwyDrive13]

What an odd thing to say 😂

[@davidbetts9344]

Thank you for this video, I found it very helpful in my current decision-making.

[@wonderloaf]

Nice review, really like this slightly different style of video :)

[@jjmag3107]

Very information and nicely done vid. Thanks for posting.

[@wisco_guy]

Great video as always! Thank you! I too run the M&P Competitor with a Holosun, but with a green ACSS reticle.

[@CDOES]

M&p bros! F yeah!

[@jsirius94]

In my subjective experience, the tint on HoloSun green dots is more noticeable and I usually prefer the blueish tint of the red dots over the reddish tint I see on the green dots

[@CDOES]

All eyes are different. Perfect case and point.

[@nighthawk9264]

Green has less of a tint because our eyes are so much more sensitive to green light. We perceive it as brighter -> the dot can be darker compared to the background -> needs less power -> no notch filter needed. The notch filter is artificially creating the same effect, by filtering red light out, hence making the red dot brighter compared to the environment. Next time Steiner MPS? 😇

[@CDOES]

Science foe the win! Probably very very soon.....

[@MrIanmclarty]

I bought into the hype of the 6 moa dot for astigmatism and fast shooting, but unfortunately it didn't work for me. The circle dot comes through nice and clear every time, it doesnt matter red or green.

[@CDOES]

Proves my point exactly with everyone eyes being different. I'm glad tho that holosun at least has as many options for reticles and colors as they do. They try to cover everyone.

[@MrIanmclarty]

​@@CDOESexactly. It really is best to see them in person if possible or at least buy them from a place that makes returns easy. I really have liked the EPS carry. I'm glad holosun gives us options on it.

[@jsirius94]

On the other hand, the 6 MOA HoloSun dots work really well for my eyes. Circle dot is ok but not as clear as the 6 MOA. But then the circle dot from some of the Sig Romeo pistol dots works great for me. Best option is to try it out yourself as always!

[@davidgaines8607]

It's really a shame that prism optics are like 3 inch eye relief. An etched reticle could resolve this whole situation. Maybe someday we'll have the technology. Seems like a relatively simple mechanical thing for engineers or inventors to overcome. I guess there's just such a small market or demand for it .

[@SugarFreeTargets]

I have really bad astigmatism too and decided to go with the circle dot with no center dot. It's excellent and it does allow you to shoot accurately despite no center dot.

[@jgb4072]

Pass review video ever thank you for all the information and the great examples.

[@Snapper314]

I have tried many of the EPS Carry versions. The ONLY one I use today is the EPS Carry MRS in Green. It is the most expensive, but it is also the most feature packed. I've got over 8,000 rounds through a couple of them with no issues at all. The EPS Carry MRS in Green has one additional feature that the Red version doesn't. Because the Green emitter is more energy efficient, Holosun was able to give users more control. So you can set the "Minimum" Brightness setting even in *Auto* Mode. So you can set the reticle to be bright enough to use indoors and even under a weapon light. But once you go into a brighter area, the reticle will still automatically brighten to adjust.

[@ericstreich9620]

I’ve always used green dots for all of my optics. Gambled on the red eps carry mrs… low and behold, its now my favorite optic

[@CDOES]

@@ericstreich9620 everything is the best until you try something else that is even better.

[@modap3000]

I have the EPS Carry MRS Green. The reticle looks fuzzy like an EOTECH. The reticle that works best for me is the circle-only.

[@CDOES]

Interesting!

[@charlesburney1930]

Very helpful information. Thank you.

[@jeffreygriffith6399]

Covered some great points. Thanks!

[@JakeCamo]

I started off this video without seeing the channel like “who is this guy, well I guess he does sound knowledgeable” -and then- “oh these side by sides are good, guess he’s taking notes from cdoes” -And then- “Wait isn’t that cdoes’ weird/cool basement building” Eventually “Holy crap this is cdoes, I’m just realising I’ve never seen his face!” Haha Love your work

[@kringleburtfistyebuns]

I just heard aboot you recently from either hop or bf and so far, I'm loving the content. As for these optics, I went with a green MRS. For me, I generally pick up the green better and I like the option of reticles. Two options trijicon are generally frightened of. So I guess that makes me a holosun simp

[@CDOES]

Thanks for stopping by, mate! Hopecir works out for you!

[@bawhite125]

Phenomenal video. Subscribed.

[@thatonedoood]

I went with a 6 moa red for my eps and couldn't be happier. Prefer it way more over my buddy's 3.5 moa sro

[@CDOES]

Excellent choice!

[@thatonedoood]

@CDOES I went back and forth for a long time about the other options. None of my local shops had any for me to handle and look through so I kinda took a leap of faith and glad I did.

[@CDOES]

@@thatonedoood more often then not we need to listen to our gut. It's usually right. And if it isn't. At least you can say you have it your best guess.

[@pashabelat2849]

Thank you for the detailed review.

[@jesseweems4851]

Just bought a HS eps green. I'm excited to get it

[@shirolee]

Awesome video! Thank you so much for making it!

[@kksrv]

I'd be interested in EPS vs EPS Carry comparison. My other 'tism flares up when seeing optic overhang on the slide.

[@CDOES]

I'm trying to wiggle my way in to get one from Holosun. My friend won't give me his off his carry gun to review 😂

[@aarongerdts216]

I almost pulled the trigger on one of these last night 🌙

[@jesseweems4851]

I did. I did tons of research. Ended up getting the HS EPS green dot for my duty pistol. Everyone I talked to said green is much better

[@Mkkboi]

Awesome review !! What about mounting options for non solar EPS.Thank you

[@NVEMBER]

I have a 6 MOA Green EPS (full size) on a S&W Model 66. I like the size of the dot, as someone with astigmatism, I find the larger dots bloom less for me. I like the EPS, but I'm considering replacing it with an ACSS 507C.

[@touge242]

I had the ACSS 507c, took it off for a 509t-X2, I think the chevron is pointless: - on a pistol most aiming is center of mass sloppy sight picture, where the chevron becomes a lopsided "large dot". Pistol shooting lacks the precision of using top of the chevron at a 6-oclock hold with inherent distance holds for the rest of the geometry. - The oversized circle is a neat gimmick that loses all value after a few hours of presentation practice. - Realizing I have an astigmatism myself (why are dots always so fuzzy??), the precise chevron looses more value with the fuzziness due to said astigmatism. Overall I'd say the ACSS 507C is great on paper, but no real value over a normal dot in practice. Finally, after running that open emitter 507c on a backcountry handgun for one season, I definitively claim that open dots are pure obsolete trash

[@CDOES]

That's good to hear. For me the red doesn't bloom as bad. Either way 6 moa is ideal for pistol

[@seanoneil277]

I've used EPS (red) 6MOA extensively, and the ACSS 507C about 3/4 as much time. They are good for different purposes I think. For USPSA & Steel Challenge I'd prefer the 6MOA EPS. For a pistol that's unfamiliar the ACSS outer ring helps a bit, but I find the chevron reticle distracting for faster shooting in matches. Functionally it's faster if I just put the whole chevron where I want to hit, but my brain wants to use the tiny point of the chevron and I slow down needlessly to accommodate that. So it's slower in matches even if it's helpful in orienting the sight picture otherwise. The ACSS might be the best training optic to help people dial in their presentation, however. It's really good for that. It's also very good for awkward shots from positions that don't let you begin from a known draw presentation. Ultimately I'm probably going to put it on a precision AR as an offset RDS.

[@fattigla]

Great video, I like the green 6moa dot on my 407k, but I had not yet seen the red and green models compared this way.

[@TheSquirrelE]

Great infovid. Thanks!

[@patwalsh2868]

Thank a lot I’m glad your explanation of the 6 moa up close is self defense ! Not Murder !!! Thanks for your help , I’ve watched many videos n you told me what I was trying to figure out, and now I know what I want , 6 moa dot , not sure of color , I have a Stigmatism also ( did you have better luck with blue or red ? )Going to try n watch again 💥💥🔫 thanks from Commy Ct 🇺🇸

[@Klownin2hard]

Im about to try the new scrs with a magnifier. You should too!

[@Jello998]

Just can’t decide between the MRS or 6MOA on the EPS Carry…

[@map900]

I just tested a red Mrs versus the Green 6 MOA and the glass was the opposite of what you say for them. the green one showed a blue tint and the red one was clear.

[@wesjohnston8286]

I have the 2moa plain red dot on my g20, and it has been flawless. Have no desire to pay more for the mrs

[@CDOES]

Nice!

[@DannyTammaro]

Video popped up in me feed. Great job. You mentioned a magnifier, any link?

[@thomasstevko9368]

I have holosun AEMS I feel like dot alone isn’t as clear when I run it with the 65 MOA ⭕️ and dot maybe it’s my eyes how’s it with EPS?

[@merlin593]

I always wondered what you looked like! ;)

[@dangerdoberman]

I like the circle-dot and in red.

[@josh48315]

Man just ordered an EPS and EPS carry both MRS. Kinda wish I got the 6 MOA dot for my carry gun for the reasons you mentioned, those were my exact thoughts too. Bigger dot for carry = easier to pick up faster.

[@CDOES]

Sometimes the gut is correct. Either which way you'll enjoy them I reckon

[@josh48315]

@@CDOES wouldn’t the 2 MOA + 32 MOA circle be great for concealed carry because in a moment of stress, the 32 MOS circle would be super easy to acquire and place over the target? I agree 2 MOA for carry is a no, but torn on the 32 or 6 for carry

[@brett9382]

I got some friends in law enforcement and they did training with "robot targets" (basically dummies on big rc cars) they said that if your half way close to a threat your not going to have time to aim. It's just muscle memory and point shooting. After hearing this, my theory is that if you have time to actually aim, it's going to be at a greater distance where accuracy is more important. For this reason I went with the 2moa dot. Definitely don't think you made a bad choice.

[@dkmgm2011]

Totally concur on the gold dot synopsis. I adore my he512 gold.

[@CDOES]

Gold would be Sweeetttttttttttttttt!!

[@dylanmartinez2157]

Awesome video thanks man

[@daleeveland5579]

I like the green dot thank you

Just ordered green 6 moa eps carry

[@joshbeasley21]

I wish they had a 1moa, but 2 moa green has served me well.

[@anielparache]

Great video. Thank you

[@XrayMike17plus1]

I have the EPS Carry Green MRS and a 507 X2 Green MRS. Both are quite good. They are a little criper and smear somewhat less than the 507x2 Red MRS.

[@SaltedSlug85]

Whoa, New Conglomerate shirt. This guy Planetsides.

[@fshizl2918]

Hey C_DOES, thanks for this review. Been wanting to buy one of the green holosuns. I was also wondering how do you guys set up your cameras for the rifle scope reviews. I tried looking to see if you guys had a video on the set up? Thanks.

[@CDOES]

Black magic. Hopefully it works out for you!

[@darrenlawson4909]

Dude! I had you pegged as looking a lot more like Ian.

[@tmaddrummer]

Thanks and Blessings! Green Six for me. (new sub - great review!)

[@brilesab]

Before I buy an optic I always see if C has reviewed it. Best optic reviewer on the planet! Pew Pew!

[@Chonkasaurus]

Woah the legend reveals himself

[@megakillowning]

Can't help but notice your New Conglomerate shirt ❤

[@ozarkman291]

Really looking forward to more NV passive aiming comparisons, especialy for these budget dots

[@CDOES]

They make more sense to me then doing laser /light. If you can see it anyone else with nv can see it to

[@ozarkman291]

@@CDOES the hardest part seems to be light transmission and extreme low light without supplemental illumination for passive. I still want to have both options. Hope to maybe see some LAM reviews in the future now that you have nods

[@CDOES]

@@ozarkman291 let us how that some companies are willing to send me a million dollars worth of gear

[@gordon926]

This is a helpful video thank you

[@spitfiremac]

Love your content... So here's the question: if you had white phosphor or a Sionyx Opsin would you have clear passive aiming through the green dot?

[@FMDad-dm5qo]

Went with the green reticle AEMS specifically because it appeared to have better tint than the red. Some red Holosuns are not great in the tint department. If I get a 510c it will certainly be the green. I live in dry, beige/brown country and I don’t use night vision.

[@schizosaint777]

Great vid!

[@amendez457]

I want to mount an optic on my Glock 43x and have Ameriglo orange iron front sight. Do you recommend red or green dot? I go back and forth and not sure if the red dot will blend in too much. I'll also add that I have a duty pistol with a red dot.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Green dots are so freakin weird. At least amber dots make some kind of perverse sense.

[@tidypog3272]

Yeah

[@CDOES]

Your telling me that green doesn't make sense for you? A man that practically lives inside of a forest?

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

Our eyes evolved to distinguish various shades of green

[@timb8970]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen your face. Nice to put a face to the name! Great videos btw.

[@Kartyman550]

What a beaut. And I’m as straight as they come. Love the channel dude.

[@50beowulf]

The 6 moa is still smaller and more precise than any pistol front sight post. With that said and having used both, I still prefer the 2moa dot. It just works for me.

[@RandomGuyOnTarget]

Came here for the optics, stayed for the face 😘. Sweeter than the reticle reveals.

[@FlowBaka]

Totally not what I figured you looked like. But I have the red 6 moa dot and really like it for carry. I’ve got 3 MPSs and I really wish they had a 6-8 moa dot for pistols.

[@CDOES]

Ad to overt your expectations lol the mps excites me. But yeah 6 moa needs to be a thing for every optic.

[@daltonrobinson253]

So I ordered a shadow system xr920. The iron sight in the back black but the front sight is green. This sight would co witness with my irons. Based off your experience would that be too much green if I got a green dot to use? I was leaning more towards the 6 moa version since I would rather pick up the dot quicker rather than make 100 yards hits

[@ganthrithor]

THAT SHIRT! Hahaha, just when you think this channel can't get any better.

[@Swampytheroot]

Their SCS Carry optics are only available in green. Because they have no battery other than an internal capacitor system (?), they require absolute minimal acceptable power draw. Green is much easier to see with less power being used. Also, I have astigmatism in both eyes. Dots are hard for me to use without my corrective glasses. That said, the green dot (and green lasers) are dramatically easier for me to pick up on without RX glasses. Not quite grasping why the more heavily tinted lens on the red (which makes it easier to see on the projected surface) appears to have more light transmission under dark conditions. I haven't tried it myself, but your camera makes it pretty obvious. Nice review.

[@prone_wolf8871]

I have one green optic.....I like it enough not to get rid of it......but if buying another it would be in red......in my environment in the summer foliage it's just seems like it's easier for me to not let the reticle blend in with the background

[@joeflowers9084]

I wonder if the tint varies...I've had a few, all red, all EPS Carry, all 6MOA, and one seemed to have more like 25% more tint than the others. **I didn't really notice until I shot at an indoor range once and was going for tiny groups at 20Y.

[@mattfleming86]

Laughing at all the people who haven't been here enough to have seen your face before. It is a great style though. Kudos.

[@jus_jun]

I'm wondering if the red lens tint is a defect? Or are all the red eps like that?

[@hansblitz7770]

Lookin' like a movie star homie.

[@MADMAX839]

If, someday, I can afford NODS, I think I’ll be able to then flip for the red red dot. I’m going with the green for now. Thanks.

[@J.M.415]

Bigger and better reveal than the talking Baklava.

[@compulsivegunbuyer]

Ayeee! C_DOES has a face!

[@CntBckt]

I wonder if a circle dot for the green would make a difference when it comes to night vision. I know circle dots read more clearly for my naked eyes in day and night conditions. I don't know if it would be the same effect, though...

[@CDOES]

For the many smart people on the comments. It makes sense that the green isn't as good, because the tint is designed to reflect green light. And with s green nv tube, it reflects it back.