Homeworld - Before the Exile

A tale of the Hiigarans learning the hard way that: When you pick a fight with a guy bigger then you, make sure your first shot knocks him out. They're failure to heed this lesson would have consequences lasting for thousands of years.
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00:00 Introduction
00:31 The Bentusi
02:59 Origins of the Galactic Council
04:32 The Hiigarans & The Taiidani
05:29 The Second Core
10:09 Fall from Grace
11:19 Riesstiu's Revenge
13:22 Exile
14:24 Credits
#Homeworld #HomeworldRemastered #Homeworld3

[@MacsLore]

The Homeworld Revelations RPG Corebook has been released, and it turns out I will have to redo this video (yay). Most of the core ideas here about the pre-exile era seem to have been kept, but certain others like the meaning of Unbound, and the expanding of certain other bits of lore have been added. I just got the book now so I haven't fully dived it, but here's what I surmised: - The Hiigarans were aggressive - The Taiidan Empire used political manuvering with the Council to get the disputed worlds between them and Hiigara - Hiigara found the 2nd Hyperspace core and placed it in "Sajuuk's Wrath" that led a fleet to wipe out the Taiidani and attack the Bentusi - In the aftermath, the Taiidan Navy struck back so hard against the Hiigarans that it forced them to surrender and go into exile. Also about the Unbound, yes, they went with the Cata definition where it's guys/girls/& others jacked into their ships. So those who brought up concerns of me using the HW2 definition (Any race that has Hyperspace) have been proven right in the end.

[@UtubeH8tr]

All the while the beast still roams. Good lore.

[@davidsalinas21]

Curious, when do you think you will post the updated/revised vid? BTW, great video on HW lore : )

[@veritasg9020]

Agreed, great lore video. Your efforts will certainly bring everybody up-to-speed, too! On "Unbound", I always thought of it as an elusive term with several meanings. Not to say it is a macguffin term, but - say - in a way how it was with Star Wars' prominent "The Force" analogies (excluding Midichlorians/Prequel explanations).

[@blaablup222]

Yea sorry but no. Your info is from the much more developed wiki. The core book is also missing key stuff (wich wasnt hard to spot... like a certain between HW1 and 2 war that is even present in the timeline) And yea, Hiigarans where the agressors, they had an EMPIRE not a federation. Dozens of races where beaten up by them but... those are info's from the wiki already, not first appeared in the core book right now. And how did you not know about the Unbound being.... SHIPBOUND? Thats beyond me as HW1 and 2 already tell you this, as well as Cataclysm telling more about it. Oh and there is not only one bentusi on each trade habor ship ohhh no. Each weapon, each subsystem is its own unbound. THAT is the only bit of info that was not already present in the wiki pre core book release.

[@ithinkitsaurus]

yeah i was gonna say you have bound and unbound backwards. they Bentusi were yelling we will not be bound during cataclysm

[@Cp-71]

One example of this game's attention to detail is that the Taiidani ion frigates are also called Sajuuk's Wrath... This name was definitely chosen to raise the fleet morale.

[@mazack00]

Homeworld is fantastically rich with lore. I remember back in '99 i bought HW off the shelf and it came with a grey book that was just PURE information and art. Have been a fan ever since.

[@MacsLore]

Legit, I saw the Homeworld Game of the Year edition once as a kid for like $15 at retail. Even today it still bugs the hell out me that I didn't buy it.

[@DaytonaRoadster]

Still have mine

[@3xfaster]

I found a copy of that same gray/grey game manual in a tiny used book shop in Julian, California a few years ago. I snatched that thing up as soon as I saw it, and I’m glad it caught my eye because it wasn’t even on their main bookcase displays, it was in a hallway. Say what you want about steam or digital platforms, nothing beats a physical media that you can open up again and again or just hop to a spot and read it again and immerse yourself.

[@nickcher7071]

I legit envy you man... I always wanted such lorebooks and artbooks on my shelf, but came really late to the party. When HW1 released I was barely 2yo lol. And when they were shipping "The art of homeworld" I was broke af college student who didn't have options to buy it online from the other side of the world. And now HW3 collector's edition won't even be shipped in my country, and even amazon/eBay is out of questiob because our government being a total ass for the last half a year...

[@sloo6425]

@@MacsLore I bought the game of the year edition and thought initially it was like C&C: Red alert or Shogun:total war in terms of game-play. Boy was I wrong, it was a piece of art, intertwine with exceptional game design for most levels and units and it was a sonic bliss on my sound system then. I'd rate it my favorite game during that time in the 2000's and top 5 of all time personally.

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

The Hiigaran people's backstory is very engrossing.

[@DickbuttDirk]

Feed me more retro science fiction lore you wonderful space man

[@MacsLore]

I loled way too hard at that last part.

[@whowantsabighug]

It's entertaining how Homeworld was clearly inspired by Battlestar Galactica and the Battlestar Galactica remake clearly has elements inspired by Homeworld

[@james8449100]

That makes me sad there won't be mod support for vast reaches

[@ladiesgentswegothim]

If you return to the Karos Graveyard in HW1, most of the ships deposited there resemble the post-Kharak Kushan ship design; sleek, curved, and with elongated engine nacelles. They look like ancient versions of the ships you command in the game. My head canon was always, that these were the defeated or surrendered fleets before the exile, and were left there to rot. I only wished that the game addressed this, the way they found similarities in origins with the Kadeshi cultists and included that in the story. When you first arrive at Karos, there is a derelict heavy cruiser floating near the Mothership's location, and fleet research reports they are ready to research "heavy guns", no doubt from seeing them on the derelicts they encountered there.

[@seasons1745]

I badly wished they expanded on this even worse the ghost ship mission didn’t get any more background either why was it abandoned there for that long? How was its armor immune

[@zimriel]

IIRC the Graveyard is where Relic dumped the ship-design sketches they didn't use for the ships we saw in combat.

[@strategicsage7694]

I don't think the heavy guns come from the Graveyard. You encounter Taiidan Heavy Cruisers in missions previous to this, and it's possible to capture them. I think that's the source of the technology.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

@@strategicsage7694 and it is all a lie. coz in Home dok, galseein already has WHOLE TAIDAINN TECH. HOM DOK retconned first game. Forget about design of ships here, it is not canon anymore.

[@ghostpanther2189]

​@@BloodyArchangelus ???? No really, the gaalesiens were only using taidani technology to keep themselves alive and to arm their ships, it's doubtful they researched higher level tech from the crashed ships that were related to space warfare, especially since they were paranoid about the Taidani taking revenge on them for seeking space travel.

[@comentnine1574]

2:10 actually the Bentusi called themselves unbound whilst the rest of the galaxy are called bound with the exception of Keran Sjet.

[@MacsLore]

I looked into this a little, and the line about the Unbound I think you're referring to came from Cataclysm, which has it's own status of being both canon and not-canon due to being made by Barking Dog and not Relic. Which I take as, "It's canon as long as it doesn't contradict the Relic/BBI Games". Which unfortunately in this case, I believe it does. The part where I got the definition of Unbound from is a line in "Prelude to the End times", which in turn was taken from the Official Homeworld 2 Strategy guide written by HW2 producer Dan Irish. An excerpt from that line is: "...each race thereby joining the Bentusi as unbound races among the stars." Which means that "Unbound" in this case, would be implied as being able to travel in Hyperspace, as the section it was pulled from was talking about "The Gift of Hyperspace". I believe this meaning of Unbound to be further reinforced when later it's stated: "...becoming a galactic community released from the shackles of sublight travel that once *bound* them." As HW2 was a Relic game, I believe it would supersede anything that Cataclysm says about being "Unbound". If Homeworld 3, or the Homeworld RPG core book makes a definite statement about this that sides with Cataclysm, I'll go with it. But for now, I believe the HW2 definition is the safer bet.

[@comentnine1574]

@@MacsLore I see.

[@zimriel]

@@MacsLore I always liked "Cataclysm" even though it made such a drastic mess of the worldbuilding established up to then.

[@maxrander0101]

@@MacsLore it has a dual meaning in the series as in the bound to a planet or area of space due to not being able to far jump and also in relation to the war with the beast not being bound to that dreadful fate

[@cossack4444]

Man, Homeworld is such a beautiful and interesting setting. I remember reading somewhere on the tubes about this piece of history. Thanks for doing it such justice Mac. Certainly looking forward to future explorations

[@CaptainSentry]

*Hiigaran attacks the Bentusi* The Bentusi: "I see you have chosen death."

[@MacsLore]

"Omae wa, mo shinderu."

[@AgentK-im8ke]

Actually I manage to engage and destroy the Bentusi mothership in HW1

[@El.broder]

​@@AgentK-im8ke we can assume the kushan ships in HW1 are stronger than the hiigaran ships from thousands of years ago, also the bentusi in HW1 were practically unarmed

[@jupiterbjy]

Count me in about "Holy Hell these Hiigara skyboxes are amazing"

[@jeremydale4548]

One thing about the exile. I believe a term was that none were permitted to aid or follow the fallen. And yet a taidan ship deployed an orbital weapons platform over Kharak. I'm reasonably sure that was a violation of treaty. Meaning they had NO grounds to glass Kharak since they violated the treaty LONG before the Kushan did.

[@MacsLore]

There's a very good chance that I may have to come back to this topic with new and updated information, because of the upcoming Homeworld Tabletop RPG, Homeworld: Revelations. As it turned out they recently announced that they're bringing in one of the original writers for the Homeworld Series to work on their Core Rulebook, which is supposed to be filled with all sorts of delicious lore about the history of the Homeworld universe from the beginning up to the start of Homeworld 3 I think. Since I was already deep into working on the video at the time, I didn't want to just junk it and wait for the new RPG book to come out. So I'm going to release what I have for now, and when the book is released in Winter of this year, I can make another updated video based on the lore from the Corebook. Hopefully, I wont have to change too much. As an aside, on the extreme off-chance if anyone working on the RPG is watching, I'd like to ask if maybe we can get a canon location for the Taiidan Empire before they annexed the Hiigarans? That part bothered me more then it should have while working on this, as it seems no one officially placed them in the galaxy besides a mention that they "Bordered the Hiigarans". And maybe a little more detail about how Hyperspace works, pleeease.

[@danwhelan443]

when are you gonna cover the exosquad

[@MacsLore]

When I'm able to watch the series in its entirety. However, there are no streaming services in my country carrying it. So I can't say when, but it's most likely going to be awhile.

[@danwhelan443]

@@MacsLore what country you live in also you can use nord vpn

[@Summersong2262]

WHAT Oh my god I had no idea there was an TTRPG in the works.

[@alkalinik]

It is not sure that the progenitors are dead... they just dissappeared from the galaxy. It was said that they where not indigenious to the galaxy.

[@AoiNymph]

Oh my, with Homeworld 3 now confirmed, I can't wait to see the chad lore enjoyers swarm here for context. Amazing, yet way too underrated video. GGs!

[@iainburgess8577]

A nostalgic retelling of a grand title from the days where narrative was the driving core of gameplay, rather than a thin intro & lip service.

[@inuboy867]

I have been waiting SOOOO LONG for a Homeworld Lore video like this, thank you so much, thank you please make more, please?

[@MacsLore]

Definitely, Im aiming to have a decent spectrum of Homeworld content before HW3 comes out next year.

[@jckcc]

With such history, I wonder if Hiigara will become a villain in Homeworld 3. They seemed to have portrayed Karan as somewhat evil and also seeing ships of Taiidan design with friendly colors might point to that.

[@BadlanderOutsider]

A wonderful start to what I hope will be a long series.

[@Chumblybum]

I find due to the back and forth and bad behavior on both sides it's hard to root for the Taiidani or Hiigarans

[@zimriel]

that's war for you

[@bravomike4734]

And here's to hoping that the Kushan and Taidan cooperation in HW2 is long lasting.

[@jakeg3733]

I really like the idea that they are finally expanding this universe. My interpretation was that we aren't so much dealing with different species as members of the same species that have diverged from a common ancestor. The implication is the the Progenitors were reduced to a bunch of scattered populations on different worlds, which became the modern races of the galaxy. So while there are probably other species, the ones featured in the game appear to be essentially human. As for the hyperspace modules not generating power themselves, in one of the cutscenes in DoK it was stated that the energy output of "the primary anomaly" aka the core rivaled the output of Kharak's sun. Not much is known about how they're supposed to work, but I think at least the big 3 cores can generate their own power. That the thing had the ability to redirect ships near Kharak to the surface for thousands of years, I'd say it must have been generating it's own power because the fusion core had failed or been powered down when Khar Toba was abandoned. It seems that even the Bentusi didn't fully understand the tech so all these races are copying and using a lost, then recovered technology without having any mastery of it, hence why these 3 cores are so coveted

[@Thraka5]

Homeworld will always been one of the greatest and most innovative RTS games ever. I really enjoyed Deserts of kharak as well even though it didn't start off as a homeworld game but still very good game. Excellent RTS. And they did a good job of pulling it into the universe as a prequal. Can not wait for Homeworld 3.

Homeworld 3?

[@Thraka5]

@ Oh yes, a third game has been annouced!

[@bratticuss]

Hopefully Homeworld 3 is a full complete game.

[@snoodles1234]

This was presented fantastically, I love Homeworld.. Yes all of them.. bring on HW4. If I had a voice like yours I would be making money !

[@HevonCZR]

Great overview!! Homeworld is a rich universe, hopping to see more content!

[@wmgthilgen]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[@TheSonOfDumb]

Excellent narration. Would not be out of place in-game at all!

[@landonlacy1954]

Awesome video. I love homeworld and wish there were more channels that did videos on it and really hope we start seeing new Homeworld games again. I miss this game so much. Thanks for doing this video, it was awesome

[@N30-JLI]

Love the lore dude keep at it because i love Homeworld

[@hajtom6280]

Thanks for uploading this. :) love it.

[@hernanialves6938]

I'm a fan of Homeworld lore, and I can say that this is a really good job! You've connected all the dots! Weel done!

[@DemonKing-lc2sc]

this is godly the bentusi remind me of how i play stellaris as a rouge servitor at late game

[@mr.lonewolf8199]

Dude this is such a masterfully done video. You have new subscriber ☺️

[@chris714n83yh1]

Perfect to get a grip (again) on the homeworld-story.. - Thanks.

[@FizzleFX]

0:58 i really love how they changed them from "just traders" to "wise galactic travelers" who trade/share technologies with those they deem worthy. The voice went from generic to this far more dramatic echoing ~ and the detail about them being INTEGRADED in their ships and the consequences it would have if the BEAST got a hold to them, was incredible. Not just would they gain resources and tech, aka the usual, but it would mean endless torment so they rather blew up their ships! (ingame). wtf Thats some huge leap in storywritting (and telling) that made me love the expansion a lot...

[@wither5673]

i still absolutely love the Bentusi and i shit you not i almost cried when that last Bentusi ship blew up in homeworld 2.

[@pokepete3]

Excellent! Learned so much.

[@martinseemann1202]

Superb story telling and editing. 11 out of 10

[@MikeCloud666]

Nice, Homeworld topic right when I finished replaying Homeworld 1 in its Remastered form

[@bl8de3]

+1 Subscriber. Severely underrated Channel.

[@creekdweller07]

Just found it. Super sweet video. Thanks !!

[@CaptKarel]

Beautifully done, loved the game when it came out first.

[@carpemkarzi]

I have loved this game since it first came out…thanks

[@ImperialistJoe]

I prefer the starmap origin from HW1 to the hyperspace core plot from HW2. The hyperspace core origin just leaves too many problems in the story and isn't as narratively potent.

[@MacsLore]

Even I have to kind of admit I preferred HW1's story, as it kept me invested into keep going for one more mission to see what would happen to the Kushan.

[@gregorymuir1985]

Yes. I don't like the new lore.

[@sharpi1507]

Waiting has been rewarded!

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Minor point to clear up. After the destruction of the Taiidan Imperial Palace, in addition to demanding the Dismantling of the Sajuk’s Wrath and surrender of the Hyprespace Core, the Galactic Council immediately demanded that the Entirety of the Hiigaran Navy be Disbanded and their ships abandoned in Neutral Space. As you say, The Hiigarans accepted the terms, but only if they surrendered the Core to the Bentusi, the only force which could rival their own. This is why the Bentusi so willingly entered the space where the entire Hiigaran Fleet was waiting, seemingly deactivated and abandoned. They did not expect to be double crossed by the Hiigarans, little that it mattered… The Holocaust of the Hiigaran Race was the greatest Tragedy that the Bentusi would forever regret being responsible for, and brought about the Taiidan Rule over the Galaxy for the next three thousand years.

[@inkbythebarrelandpaperbyth6905]

This is awesome

[@stefanacimovic5231]

Marvelous video!

[@africanelectron751]

Amazing storytelling

[@briandfox16]

Wow. I think the year was 1999 and this was/is one of the most perfect games to arrive. If you guys enjoyed homeworld, you may enjoy these sleeper hits that pushed RTS, were top rated, but Noone new of their existence. They also hold the test of time: 1. Battlezone by Activision (remastered version is on steam, still amazing). 2. Sacrifice by Interplay (available on steam).

[@michaelandreipalon359]

...Nice to see someone recommend Sacrifice. I'll also recommend Summoner in return.

[@edpiv2233]

Excellent

[@LordTelperion]

The Harborship didn't fight alone against the Hiigaran sneak attack, they warped every Bentusi vessel across the galaxy to themselves.

[@LG-ff5bn]

As a Hardcore Honeworld fan.... this vid rocks 😘

[@james8449100]

I'm counting the days until vast reaches

[@kolotei]

Finally some explanation!))

[@KlaxontheImpailr]

So when the Hiigarans were exiled, was there no cut-off point for said exile? Did the Bentusii not know that Kharak would eventually be uninhabitable through natural processes? Did they not send occasional covert expeditions to check on the Kharakiid? If there was a point where the exile was meant to end, did the other races just forget about it or did the Taidan deliberately violate that part of the treaty? Man, the Homeworld galaxy is a diplomatic clusterfuck. 😅🎉

[@jadali9983]

Wonderful video, even a homeworld lore fan like me learned a lot. To me it seams like you are saying that the Bentusi only gave short jump tech to other races on purpose(correct me if I'm wrong) but from What I understand even They can't reproduce the cores far jump capability. They shared short jump tech not to keep an advantage but because unless you have the core it's the Best you're ever gonna do.

[@MacsLore]

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[@cardiv5zuikaku944]

I remember reading this one somewhere else, there is one detail that I kinda wondering though, in the piece I read I remember Hiigaran realize they can't defeat Bentusi so they decide to perform multiple jumps around the Galaxy, but Bentusi follows them, every jumps result in Hiigaran lose more ships try again and again to defeat Bentusi, and finally ended with that crash on the Hiigaran moon. But I could be miss memorize it, anyways, great job on explaining, I've been looking forward to lore video explaining this for a long time, it kinda also shows that Hiigaran isn't particularly an angel in the past, adding the gray side of the conflict, love it!

[@MacsLore]

You were mostly right. During the battle the Sajuuk's Wrath was jumping around the solar system to give them a tactical edge against Bentusi. At the end they decided to just crash the ship into the moon since the Bentusi could follow them anywhere.

[@BRiTORC]

Dude what a voice you have!!!

[@Crimsomreaf5555]

to me that punishment was way more severe than what higarans did to the tidan

[@BigPapaKaiser]

Hiigarans: *Ambush the Benthusi* Benthusi: *Lol, one might say. Lmao, even.* The beast: *Sneezes lightly* Benthusi: *Leave, escape, flee, run away, now, NOW, N O W!*

[@FizzleFX]

7:05 *PAYBACK* YESSSSSSSSSSS!

[@L0N3R665]

Hey, just wanted to say you've put together a great set of vids; love how the footage is cut and how your voice sounds :) One thing I wanted to ask though; did the exile agreement stipulate that the Kushan were not to develop far jump tech or hyperspace tech in general? Admittedly, I'm a little fuzzy on the changes introduced in Homeworld 2

[@MacsLore]

Ah shucks, thanks. The exile agreement essentially meant short-range jump, as no one knew the Hiigarans still had the Hyperspace core for far-jumping. If the Taiidan knew, the Hiigarans most likely would have met with a mysterious "accident" en route to Kharak, followed by select members of the Taiidan Navy suddenly having the ability to Far-Jump.

[@HenningKoch]

Danke!

[@MacsLore]

Thank you for the Super Thanks!

[@mreboric8406]

They need to explain the GIGANTIC Structures found all over the Milkyway. Because the Bentusi did not build them.

[@FFWorldHD]

I love your voice!

[@masontartaglia3808]

Damn, so we actually kinda play as the bad guys this whole time. I wouldn't say the Hiigaran are any better than the Taidan after hearing all this.

[@miketacos9034]

This lore feels so real, it’s such an amazing setting. Plus I like how the Hiigarans are not perfect. Betraying the Bentusi is a mistake straight outta history.

[@Lesminster]

It felt different when I played this game second time when I grew up and understood the language ;) Suddenly it didn't felt like I was the victim in this universe, but rather I caused all the harm that was brought upon me.

[@NeuworkNetral]

Awesome video! In the first game, one mission obj is to save the bentusy of a Taidan attack... 2 destroyers, 3 ion frigates and ome multigun corvetes however, in history, higarians sajuk's wrath and its entire navy was destroyed by one bentusy ship?

[@Alex13501]

11:10, thats kinda mentioned here, bentusi we know, are not the same they used to be.

[@MacsLore]

The Bentusi were boss-level asskickers "back in the day, but were so ashamed of their actions with the Hiigarans afterwards that they de-militarized their ships. Making their fleet much more vulnerable to Taiidan reprisal.

[@yuriythebest]

wait so if the Bentusi had just the one "progenitor" core, how come at 4:00 we see multiple ships. can only one of them jump longer distances?

[@goannaj3243]

Love the game.

[@neishark1735]

I have a question. These red marks we can see on the Hiigara's moon surface, were they caused by the crash of the Sajuuk's Wrath ?

[@MacsLore]

I'm not sure, but I dont think it was. As far as I know their's no canon reason why the Angel Moon looks like that, I just assumed it was just a group of Hiigaran Colonies/Industry/Resorts.

[@neishark1735]

@@MacsLore Yes that's what i thought too. But It really looks like cracks on the surface. It would be soooo cool if it's the remaining of the crash !

[@TacticianMark]

Excellent video; I enjoyed the documentary-style commentary on the Homeworld lore, and I also learned a little bit as well (I was previously a bit confused about how the Galactic council was organized so the clarification/explanation definitely helped)! Unrelated question: who/what is your profile pic from? I feel like I've seen it before (I wanna say it was on a book cover), but I'm not quite sure.

[@MacsLore]

I might actually have to redo this video in the future depending on what Homeworld Revelations says about this era of the universe, as I have no idea what they're going to keep or throw away from the HW2 fluff. But unfortunately it's been delayed until September. :/ My AV should seem familiar if you've played Starcraft, as it's a take on the Battlecruiser Portrait, but instead of some dude with a 'stache, it's Kongou from Kantai Collection.

[@TacticianMark]

That's fair, although to be honest I'm personally not a big fan of retcons in general but I'll remain optimistic for now as I've been hoping to see the worldbuilding of Homeworld explored more. Also: Oooooooooooh everything makes sense now lmao - I was a Terran main back when I still played Starcraft a lot.

[@SebastianSastre]

Homeworld is the story of why you never let FTL tech at the reach of children.

[@nuruddinshah684]

Sigh..... Bentusi.....True strength. I can sense that the "Council" was only using Bentusi

[@skotnica93]

Didn't we discover in Emergence that the Bentusi referred to themselves and S'Jet as unbound because they were one with their ships?

[@MacsLore]

Read the pinned comment. This originally came from HW2 which used a different definition.

[@Jaxck77]

“Race” in the context of Homeworld refers to different groups of humans, not separate species. From what we see of the Bentusi, they’re a particularly ancient & advanced human civilization not actually a separate species. Of course the functionality of becoming unbound and the thus the bizarre nature of Bentusi biology functionally makes them a unique entity compared to the other human factions.

[@cmdrsorrowful4823]

this lore is fckn EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jackp492]

Interesting the far jump hyperspace core and there exile in the desert reminds me of the Israelites and the hyperspace core being the ark of the covenant

[@lasvista2tech]

The story is quite believable and close to life because there are not good or bad guys, everything is grey

[@saladinbob]

OK you get a few things wrong in this. Firstly, Bentus is the only Bentusi ship that can far jump because it contains one of the three Progenitor cores. Trade ships, such as we see in the first game, are not capable of this unless their core is activated by the Progenitor's in some unexplained manner (much the same way a Frigate can far jump when activated by the Mothership's core). The way you explained it sounds like all Bentusi ships can far jump which is incorrect. Secondly, the "unbound" is what the Bentusi call themselves, and the only other individual they've referred to as that is Karan. This is because the Bentusi are integrated into their ships in the same way she (and possibly Makan) was. The other races are not "unbound".

[@MacsLore]

I had to think about your first point for a bit then reread the History of Hiigara. And well, your right. I believe the way I read the text was that all Bentusi ships could Far-jump, somehow overlooking the established fact it's dependent solely on the Hyperspace Core and what's around it. Which is why such it's implied here, and is something I need to keep in mind when I redo the video with the new content from the HWRPG/HW3. However, as to the definition of "Unbound", someone else brought up this issue before. So I will use the same answer I gave to them: "I looked into this a little, and the line about the Unbound I think you're referring to came from Cataclysm, which has it's own status of being both canon and not-canon due to being made by Barking Dog and not Relic. Which I take as, "It's canon as long as it doesn't contradict the Relic/BBI Games". Which unfortunately in this case, I believe it does. The part where I got the definition of Unbound from is a line in "Prelude to the End times", which in turn was taken from the Official Homeworld 2 Strategy guide written by HW2 producer Dan Irish (or by someone else on the HW staff). An excerpt from that line is: "...each race thereby joining the Bentusi as unbound races among the stars." Which means that "Unbound" in this case, would be implied as being able to travel in Hyperspace, as the section it was pulled from was talking about "The Gift of Hyperspace". I believe this meaning of Unbound to be further reinforced when later it's stated: "...becoming a galactic community released from the shackles of sublight travel that once bound them."....

[@MacsLore]

...As HW2 was a Relic game, I believe it would supersede anything that Cataclysm says about being "Unbound". If Homeworld 3, or the Homeworld RPG core book makes a definite statement about this that sides with Cataclysm, I'll go with it. But for now, I believe the HW2 definition is the safer bet."

[@MarkoLomovic]

@@MacsLore I don't think there is need to supersede anything because bound can mean different things. it can mean unbound as in not having a homeworld/ living in space and, unbound from shackles of the planet and having hyperspace capabilities. Also in refrence to Karen she can be seen as unbound because they see her as similar to them selves in both being integrated to ship and in possesion of core. So I don't think one exculedes the other and more to do with just the way Bentusi communicate.

[@winnie8614]

Damn, how do you make this videos? This is amazing. Where did you get this footage? is that all modded on top of a game?

[@TheJingoist]

The beautiful quality of your vids and the hard work you put into them deserves a like and a strong subscribe. Please keep up this magnificent series. Still love the Taiidan, though.

[@AdredenGaming]

Where was all this history. I don't feel like this is what I got out of the games for the ancient history of the Higarains. Its an interesting history for sure. Lots of mistakes by the races involved. Leaves me with so many questions

[@bratticuss]

Haven't played Homeworld in 20 years

[@VulpisFoxfire]

One thing missing in this...where did the *third* core come from, and who built not the Sajuuk's Wrath, but the Sajuuk? (Ie, the plot of Homeworld 2)?

[@komandorbentus2731]

Vaygrs found Third Core while searching Progenitors wreckages at Hithlum Icefields. They were originally nomadic race scavenging such wreckages at eastern side of galaxy, getting new technologies. Being surrounded by leftovers after progenitors and discovering all those things, technologies, gifts led them to think, they are the choosen people, Progenitors descendants. When they found The Core, Maakan has unified all Vaygrs and started conquer. As HW2 game says, remnants of Old Taiidan Empire joined also Vaygrs, seeking revenge after defeat of Riesstu at Hiigara 30 years earlier (final battle at HW1).

[@michaelandreipalon359]

As much I'm not a fan of HW2 and its retcons from the magical Hyperspace Cores to the idea of Progenitors (am more into preferring the DoK > HW Classic > Cataclysm/Emergence lore), the fact that the Kharakian Kushan actually repeated what Admiral Riesstiu did to their past ancient Hiigaran vestiges actually makes for some nice ironic storytelling. Still, will wait for HW3 whilst hoping for its success. Addendum: Say, any plans for lore vids on Star Control I and its far better and more canonical sequel Star Control II/The Ur-Quan Masters?

[@Coldbringer]

What always bugs me in this story is how Bentusi would have missed the hyperspace core on Hiigara's moon, and how Hiigaran could smuggle something with such massive energy signature onto the exile ship undetected. It would make more sense if Sajuuk's wrath would have purposely crashed on Karak instead of on the angelmoon.

[@citizen_or_civilian]

*Ego has been the death of the strongest men...*

[@BladeValant546]

Should have used the mods for the derelicts they are the old higgarian heavy cruisers.

[@MacsLore]

I'll look into that.

[@BladeValant546]

Most def epic video homeworks deserves more recognition imho

[@Chounubis]

Any history/lore possible for the Bantusi?

[@alkalinik]

And how where they able to smuggle the core? Memory was erased.

[@MacsLore]

Read "Prelude to the End Times."

[@logangagnepain7154]

Ill be honest, i kinda wish the Taiidan were more justified. In the first Homeworld game, the Bentusi made it sound like the Hiigarans were a truly despotic and cruel race that deserved to be punished. It made it all the more tragic to see the Kushan come to terms with their terrible progenitors. But the Hiigarans, while short sighted, certainly didnt deserve the hatred of that degree from the Taiidan! It makes the Taiidan seem like monsters. It just doesnt feel right.

[@testinghydra5652]

I’m slightly confused with the cores. The only way you can far jump is with one, but they’re only individual cores, can a single one work for an entire fleet? Or does close analysis of them reveal how to replicate it? That would explain how the Bentusi could respond to some but not all wars that broke out. But taking away the core from whoever had it wouldn’t do anything because the former owners would still know how to far jump.

[@MacsLore]

The Core can only far-jump whatever ship it's attached to and whatever ships in the fleet happen to be around it at the time, and I don't believe there was any method of replicating it. So taking away a core would take away one's ability to far-jump. There might be a slight possibility that the Bentusi had some method to far jump without it, but it was never mentioned directly. The source I pulled this from, the Prelude to the End Times/HW2 Official Strategy Guide was kind of vague. It simply said the Bentusi could far jump, never mentioning if it was one ship, a fleet around a far-jump ship, or their entire navy. Admittedly it was an oversight on my part that implied all of their ships could far jump without taking into account how we've seen the hyperspace cores work in the actual game.

[@testinghydra5652]

@@MacsLore thanks!

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

It's a shame that the Hiigarans got the short end of the stick in the exile. The Taiidan were clearly asking for it with their subterfuge and political assassinations, both clearly dishonorable, but the Hiigarans were the ones who got punished for leading what would be considered a retaliatory strike against them, all because another power wanted to "conserve peace." This is why having a big galactic government (or any big overarching power controlling smaller players) is a bad idea.

[@TheJingoist]

A "retaliatory" strike usually doesn't involve the glassing of someone's homeworld

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

@@TheJingoist Dunno why you parenthesised "retaliatory" there, since the description's apt. The Hiigarans involved were retaliating against Taidan political aggression. It definitely was overkill and the later Taidan response was arguably more than justified, but it had all started because of Taidan political leveraging.

[@TheJingoist]

@@kerianhalcyon2769 It's a shame how everything turned out, both for Hiigaran and Taiidani.

[@shayminthedoctor9663]

It's a shame there isn't a movie or tv show about Homeworld. The lore and universe is so rich, I have no doubt it could meet the same level of engagement as Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica

[@stalwartteakettlepotato9879]

The galactic Council is an even more incompatent version of the UN

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Made even worse with their destruction by the nomad Vaygr come HW2.

[@BolinFoto]

Why isn't this a tv series or a movie or even an anime? I played this game day one back in 99 and I said that then and I say it now.

[@ladiesgentswegothim]

Same. I was absolutely captivated by the story. I think a series would serve it best, since there's so much to tell. 2 hours would not be enough.

[@BolinFoto]

@@ladiesgentswegothim I know right. I still remember on my way home on the bus with my brand new copy and flipping through the manual and there was this story of what happened long before the game takes place. How they found a signal in the desert and how there were doubts if they really were native to the planet and all that. The search for the signal and finding the way stone with the map and realizing how they were not from this place but a planet far away. And how it took years and generations to build the mothership and all the strife and hardship. And Karan S'jet and the S'jet family and how she sacrificed herself to become fleet command... oh man that could have all been the first season alone. When I came home and installed that game I was so determined to get these people home that it was crazy. So therefore this is so crazy that there is no movies or series or Anime or even a comic. The story is freaking epic and the nearest we got to this was the reboot of Battlestar Galactica. BG was great to but it was no Homeworld.

[@ladiesgentswegothim]

@@BolinFoto I always read the backstory stuff again before I played through ;)

[@angrydragonslayer]

As someone who has no clue about the setting, i feel like the tiidani are blatantly at fault to the point of logical inconsistency in how the other powers acted in the situation From what i heard in this vid anyway

[@MacsLore]

Interestingly, the supplementary material in Homeworld Cataclysm painted Riestiuu as insane and paranoid, which only got worse over the long centuries. It got so bad that the rest of the galactic community pretty much shunned the Taiidan Empire, laying the ground work for them siding with the Kushan/Hiigarans. But take that with a grain of salt, Cataclysm's canon-status has always been kinda weird, and might get retconned with the Homeworld RPG.

[@ithinkitsaurus]

honestly it sounds like the hiigarans had it coming.