HoMM 4 Game theory #2 + "wet dream" reveal

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Heroes of Might and Magic IV is a turn-based strategy game developed by Gus Smedstad through New World Computing and published by the 3DO Company for Microsoft Windows-based personal computers in 2002. A Macintosh port was subsequently developed by Contraband Entertainment and released by the 3DO Company. The fourth installment of the popular Heroes of Might and Magic franchise, it is the sequel to Heroes of Might and Magic III, and was the last to be developed by New World Computing.

[@echoes_93]

It used to be my wet dream for years too. Now my actual wet dream is to make modern Disciples 2 xD

[@szabolcsbruckner7785]

Yes, that was always my dream too. Although it did have a lot of potential and was a departure from the Heroes formula, it was always my favourite. After all, even as a kid, it was the first Heroes I played, and I've been in love with it ever since. The story and gameplay of the original campaigns was phenomenal, not to mention the music, which is still the best to date for me. 😍 Yes, it would be great to make it in a new engine (because modding is quite good, but it's pretty limited for such an old game). But we need some people who know how to code and program! It really would be a dream come true! 😄

[@Ragnar-id8kx]

Same building grid in Heroes IV is functionally better even if aesthetically it looks worse and towns are not so unique. In heroes III, it sometimes happens that I click on the castle instead of the town hall and vice versa, because the location of these buildings changes in different towns. In Heroes IV, all towns have the same buildings in the same places, which works well for me.

[@1q34w]

Don't you have the drop down menu for all the functionality in line town?

[@Ragnar-id8kx]

@@1q34w Yes, there is drop down menu in Heroes IV but not in Heroes III.

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

I dont maybe like all castles. Some of them lack of culture very much. But i love order town. Its so great.

[@MrThezyga]

I love homm4 but I agree with almost all of your points except for the story. Expansions are lame but saying original's story was quite good is an understament, in my opinion it's peak of fiction and no doubt best story in heroes of might and magic games xd. To trully fulfill the wet dream we would need Terry Ray (author of original campaigns) to write the story for another expansion

[@topsna1667]

I dont think unit upgrades are needed but giving heroes some uniqueness is a way to go. Either giving them new unique abilities or just giving them skills to get a specific class and restricting the amount of heroes you can choose from in the tavern

[@Asherran]

There's something so pure about this video, maybe it's the text to speech voice and the nostalgic music in the background. I'm no game developer sadly, but I'd be happy to see your dream come true soon! You have an awesome content, keep up the good work!

[@emperorjustinianIII4403]

They're remaking Battle for Middle Earth 2 (Reforged), Victoria II (Openvic), Knights and Merchants, there've been OpenTTD, and a couple more. It's not unthinkable

[@bonifackener3943]

Oh my God. This is exactly what i was planning too. I'll try joining development asap.

[@randomdunmer]

I like HOMMIV graphics!

[@codrutbujdei5958]

Man, it would be awesome if you'd actually pull this off. With help from other dedicated modders or programmers in the homm comunity I think you could really make a great game. Praying for your succes brother

[@dolanuscaesar1326]

There once was a dream. Dream called Rome. Oh w8, wrong franchise

[@inioszi3053]

I enjoyed it

[@TheLemmo21]

I suggest you look at Knight and Merchants Remake. It's a fan project where they literally rewrote the whole game themselves and implemented an online matchmaking. You might find some info how long it took for what I think was 2 devs.

[@zahavzilberman3646]

Basic Noobility, your dreams are way easier to realize than it seems you're thinking. KZbin won't allow me to post long comments appearntly, so I'll explain this in your discord server. TL;DR - I think I can fullfil your replay mode and random map generator dreams, by making my own version of HOMM4 from scratch that will only include all the core gameplay elements, but without music, without complex graphics, without AI and without online multiplayer mode. Ironically, this will probably be way easier than doing those by modding the original game, which, as I explained in my comment in discord, is way harder than creating a basic version with just the core gameplay without any uneccesary content, I'm guessing.

[@massalzheimers4021]

I say don't let your memes be dreams. Let it happen. Sadly, I have no way of supporting the project other than being a tester.

[@kacid3108]

It will be so cool ...

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

Buddy, I can only respect you! 💪 Because you are speaking not only about your dream, but MINES too! Homm4 one of my most favorite ganes and i love it design, details and im still dreaming to see new honorable Homm 8 (aka Homm4 v2.0). For many years ive think how it can be done and outplayed. I even experiment with it in my ttrpg. Also, i can suggest you to look at age of wonders 3. Its kinda only modern version of homm. And there are sone good ideas and decesions. It can be helpful maybe. But dude, please, remember also about right holders. Im speaking of EA. They are horrible idiots. They can easily kill your project if youll try to ressurect it as it is if it will get any attention. But again, huge respect. You giving me hope by sharing your content about that old and heavy underrated game! 🎉

[@some4el]

Thx bro! I wrote Ubisoft a letter about permission of doing this remake - you sure that EA have the copyrights?

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

@@some4el No problems! Nah, I mistaked. Anyway EA and Ubisoft the same literally. Horrible abusers of modern gaming.

[@danygg9543]

I understand your point of view for what you want to do, for you it was disappointing, but believe me for me Homm 4 was truly a notable improvement to the game, then consider that it is not easy for a developer to make a new sequel to a great game happened like Homm3, and I think that the third chapter isn't perfect for me, it also has some defects that I don't like very much, but I still like it and I play it when I feel like it, while for Homm4 even with its few defects , an example is besieging a castle fortified at the highest level with three turrets, the attacker does not have the catapult to demolish the walls or turrets, in this way those who defend a castle can more often than not win even against enemy armies that are much superior in number , another thing I don't like are the fogs, basically in homm4 in addition to the black fog there is another transparent fog that shows what we have explored and conquered, but in this way the opposing players can remain hidden in that fog and attack the good moment, these two elements are quite annoying, for the rest Homm4 amuses me enough I don't find any other annoying defects, I find the magic department much more balanced than the previous chapters and also easier to find the spells you are looking for, just choose the starting class, however on homm3 or 2 you have to immediately look for coveted spells such as slow or blind hoping that they come out in one or more castles, then blind in Homm4 and a higher class spell on the 4th level and therefore less abuseable than first, but in its place there are other similar spells but less strong and easier to find as confusion, swarm, song of peace. For me these are just some aspects that make it a great game, obviously everyone can make their own judgements, but for me I quite like Homm4 as it came out and I'm satisfied even with some defects that make me turn up my nose.

[@Throrma]

Actually there is a random map generator and it works fine

[@MadJak91]

Is the google search and Agraynel's uh... specialty related? ;)

[@ArkNito]

😢

[@mikehos4351]

:P

[@maninsomati5681]

Discord link is dead(

[@jotarokujo6501]

Try one in channel description

[@maciejsuszka8754]

I appreciate Your enthusiasm very much and don't want to be an asshole by bringing down ambitious ideas, but wouldn't it be better to just make a new game from scratch at that point?

[@some4el]

If someone could do the programming - yes.