Honda 250cc 6 cyclinder replica

Stuart Graham rides George Beales replica 250cc 6 cylinder Honda around Cadwell Park for a lap, as shown on the BSB coverage. I was there and he had to keep it revving otherwise it stalled due to a really light flywheel.

[@davidhall39]

Never heard so much drivel whilst the best sounding bike in the WORLD is going round the track.

[@twotonetonybaloney9963]

He never did shut up like he said he would, no commentary needed!

[@johnbarry2976]

why dont they just SHUTUP

[@uralbob1]

I wish they could shut up a little!

[@aronernesto423]

I know im asking randomly but does anybody know of a way to get back into an Instagram account..? I stupidly lost the account password. I would appreciate any help you can give me

[@akatzkiyhgrey7037]

Allen Millyard built a replica on his own with just a modeller's magazine as reference. He's my all time favorite bike builder

[@daver3057]

My favorite too! For those who are unfamiliar, Millyard has an expansive collection of amazing creations. Thank goodness he goes the extra lengths to chronical and share his work! This is as good a place as any, to enter his rabbit hole kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4XZnZehpsp-nck

[@keretomayit]

lebih gahar punya Allen Millyard.....

[@kdmc40]

And a whole lot cheaper than £200k I'll bet!

[@pbysome]

Not the same, Alan is fantastic but this is an exact replica down to the last nut and bolt.

[@zander8752]

​@@pbysome yes but Allen's was never really intended to be a replica, it was intended to be inspired by the RC166 for sure but it was larger cc for a reason. For one it didn't need a starter motor so I suspect the larger cc and inbuilt starter motor was more intended for practicality rather than performance. This bike in this video and Allen's are equally spectacular for different reasons in my opinion

[@peteday1491]

So rare you get to hear the best sounding motorcycle EVER. But these guys think the event is enhanced by their chat. IT ISN'T!!!

[@warrenwoolley9040]

These two blokes blabbing spoilt the whole video!

[@Spamcan81]

So Keith Huewen says "this is probably the only time you'll hear me shut up" and then just carries on yacking. Just shut up man.

[@johnjones8148]

@Kash Zayn No one cares, you are a moron

[@johnjones8148]

@Cullen Rowan idiot #2

[@norbertzznagy]

Even the endless blattering, couldn't destract the attention from one of the greatest sound, and masterpiece of all time.

[@836dmar]

Boy, they came really close though! Unbelievable. Maybe they get paid by the word!

[@michaelhuggett1756]

If the commentator stopped talking it would be better .

[@BlownSkillet]

I thought he was going to SHUT UP!

[@leifvejby8023]

That was what he promised!

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

he got us in the first half not gonna lie

[@The9meister]

The commentators spoilt this video, they love to hear their own voices, two knob heads, great little honda six.

[@CyberGasty]

pure sound kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWaae6qfl9Z2mJo

[@peterroberts3453]

You should have heard it with Mike Hailwood on board....At full chat on the IOM in the 60s.. That thing was absolutely amazing..

[@CaptHollister]

One of the original Honda sixes stayed in Canada at the end of the 1967 season, I was there when it did a demonstration lap of the Gilles Villeneuve circuit in 1981(ish). You could quite literally follow its progress around the track just from the sound. What a glorious noise ! Fast forward twenty-odd years and I had the pleasure of chatting with Michelle Duff (nee Mike Duff) who was a Yamaha factory rider in the sixties. She says she still has a ringing in her ears from chasing Hailwood on the Honda 6.

[@carlosoruna7174]

Yup. I was there that weekend. Could hear it at the victoria bridge hairpin when it was at the jacques cartier bridge hairpin. Epic motor

[@uralbob1]

Here's to you, Mike "The Bike" Hailwood! We remember you!

[@rgadave]

"This is the only thing that stops me talking"........then all his does is rattle on !. Divi !.

[@darrencameron6919]

I was lucky enough to see 2 of these at the 2019 classic TT. Did a start up in the Jurby paddock just as i walked past. OMG the best thing i have ever heard. Daz from Adelaide.

[@martinmcgovern8696]

I wish the commentators would just shut up and let us hear that fantastic sound. Far far too much yapping

[@raymondsanderson3768]

If that’s a 250, it should have green number backgrounds! The blue ones are for 350’s.

[@shanehnorman]

Classic and tidy knees-in riding style, very appropriate to the machine.

[@derekbond3512]

What an absolute joy to see and hear this great machine, just sheer magic.

[@leifvejby8023]

You must have heard a different video, all I could hear was two goons yapping away - couldn't stand it past 4 minutes.

[@derekbond3512]

@@leifvejby8023 I have to agree with you

[@nealefrazer4247]

The power of Dreams by one of the Greats..Mr Honda...vision,foresight ,determination and loyal work ethics plus a brilliant mind ...

[@tonyguest9744]

I remember the 250 and 297 Honda 6's in the 60's at the IOM TT ridden by Hailwood. Together with Read and Ivy on the Yamaha 4's and Ago on the MV great times, thanks for the memories.

[@camgere]

Thank you for posting this!

[@howardosborne8647]

As a young lad I saw the genuine items of this replica screaming down Bray Hill. The TT circuit is about 5 minute cycle ride from my front door. Back then they were just another interesting race bike,nothing more than that. The noise was very special. I sat on top of the same bus shelter on Bray Hill and watched Ago go by on the MV's many times and Bill Ivy and Read on the 4 cylinder 125 Yams. Back then it all just seemed par for the course,so to speak.

[@derekbond3512]

Howard what great memories to have, and how fortunate to live on the IOM.

[@geoffgreenhalgh3553]

Me too.

[@howardosborne8647]

@@geoffgreenhalgh3553 my ears are still ringing😂😂

[@geoffgreenhalgh3553]

@@howardosborne8647 I have been to IOM 15 times, but not this year. I was there one year when there were many Honda classics being srtarted up by white overall cladded Japenese mechanics. That noise was painfully loud.

[@trevorthomas2373]

Fond memories of my visits to the island TT in the sixties.

[@alanhoughton2535]

I was at Cadwell park and watched Mike Hailwood ride the Honda 6 in the late 60's brought back lots of memories

[@alanvanallen7762]

So was I ,I'll never forget that day,whatching Mike wheelieing up the mountain ,just superb.RIP Mike Hailwood

[@peterg2yt]

Title is wrong. Its a 297cc Honda RC174. Raced in the 1967 350cc class. Maximum revs 17,500. Maximum power 17,000 (66BHP)... Keith Huewen says in the (incessant) commentary that it will rev to 22,000.. what tosh! He is confusing it with 125-5 and 50cc twin.

[@gitaneVYS491R]

First thing I thought when I saw the blue number-boards.

[@adamniland6528]

Fantastic commentary, had keith commentimg on many of my races , made me seem far faster than i was

[@janeblogs324]

66hp? Sounds like more HP per liter than an s2000

[@peterg2yt]

jane blogs certainly a LOT more power/ltr than an S2000. It only weighs 113Kg and is really quick for such a small bike. Capable of more than 150mph

[@Team-fabulous]

100% correct as the blue plates denote that.

[@Unfunny_Username_389]

2:17 - bloody hell!! Thought it was all over for a second then. That could've been a dear day.

[@dogstar167]

2:13 the owner of the bike has just ran to the toilet

[@peterg2yt]

The owner of that bike is Honda UK

[@xWILZTAx]

I was there and its honest the best wngine I've ever heard. Even better than anything I've seen at goodwood.

[@robbateman7987]

Blue Number backgrounds? it must be the 297 version, 250's are Green

[@jarnosaarinen4583]

My thoughts too. The blue plates is for 350's not 250cc!

[@rohzpopper4922]

Love the six scream !

[@ronnieka3309]

Great that this bike makes such loud beautiful sound. I could still hear some of it while those crappie commentators could not SHUT UP

[@TheImtoomuch]

Damn that sounds angry! I love it!

[@2009bassline2009]

masterpiece just like the v16 brm

[@whalesong999]

I just read two articles published by Kevin Cameron of Cycle World fame about how the pressed-together crankshafts of these sixes were designed and built, just fascinating. Unlike most of the previous Honda multis, there are no full circle flywheels; the crank webs are made in a kind of a flattened ingot shape with a pressed in chunk of dense metal balance opposite of the crankpins. The crankpins are intregal with one half of the parts for each cylinder. Torsional vibration was cancelled considerably which allowed these delicate, high revving units to survive a race. Pictures show that the parts were forgings.

[@leslieaustin151]

whalesong999 Watch Allen Millyard’s videos to see it being done... Les

[@peterg2yt]

@@leslieaustin151 - except Alan Millyards bike, as amazing as it is, bears verly little resemblance the RC174 internally... its like a tractor by comparison, having been made by grafting two road bike engines together.

[@leslieaustin151]

peterg2yt Yes, I fully accept that this bike is not a carbon copy of the original race machines. But Allen’s motivation and skill to put together something that ‘resembles’ the race bikes, in appearance and in sound, is to be applauded. I didn’t say it was an exact copy. And I merely directed “whalesong” to another of Allen’s videos where he takes cranks apart and reassembles them. But “tractor”? Having heard it and (on video) seen it go, this is no tractor. Give proper credit, please. Les

[@peterg2yt]

Leslie Austin You misunderstand my remark. I do not intend it to detract in any way from Alan Millyards amazing creation, but to compare what he did by grafting two road bike engines together means that you don’t understand what an astonishing creation the GP Honda 6 was, and in particular at the time it was created by Soichiro Iramajiri. I am very familiar with the RC174, I have ridden more than 150 track miles including a lap of the Isle of Man in 2017. The Honda engine bears more of a resemblance to a fine Swiss watch than an internal combustion engine (indeed the cranks on the Beale replicas are made in Geneva by a company involved in F1 and NASCAR engine parts AND watches). The crank has three different diameter big-ends (bigger in the centre and smaller outboard, exactly like the original) and three different diameter main bearings, all needle roller and all stressed to be minimalist enough to take the load required. The crank webs on the Honda look more like domino pieces than parts of an engine. Counterweights are pressed in pieces of tungsten. Zero flywheel effect, and certainly no tick over as the Millyard 6 has (plus electric start). Most notably, the Honda engine is really tiny... it’s about 18” wide total, with massively more power per litre than any road bike to the current time (66 BHP @ 17,000 rpm from 297cc). BY COMPARISON to the Honda, Mr Millyards amazing creation (and indeed the GP MV Agusta 350 six) is really like a tractor.

[@whalesong999]

@@peterg2yt Along these lines, I haven't seen any video or description of how Alan made the crank for his Honda 6 engine. It cannot be built the same as the factory 6s as I understand that particular engine uses high pressure oil insert bearings, not needle-roller ones. Perhaps I missed something already posted about that but it was a significant bit of machining effort.

[@markbarber7839]

Beautiful

[@TS50ER]

Would have been better if they had muted the bike sound and we could just listen to these two ends of bells waffling.

[@TS50ER]

@@stpbasss3773 , LOL! Totally agree mate.

[@tombridge3608]

@@stpbasss3773 it's a 4 stroke...

[@tombridge3608]

@@stpbasss3773 Watched Mike Hailwood race the 250 version of this bike in the 1960s. If you want facts look here www.mbike.com/honda/rc166-250/1966 The bike in this video was simply a bored-out version...

[@tobydell66]

not surprised you have so few subscribers

[@paulshelley4754]

The concept of this engine Honda built from scatch is awesome the crank is a work of art whatcha Honda strip it down to it's component parts on you tube seen this in action with Mike up

[@kpc5]

That's a F1 18000 rpm racing car engine sound, love it.

[@CaptHollister]

It's the other way around. It's the F1 engines that sound like the Honda 6. But not quite. Having heard both an original Honda 6 and current F1s, the Honda sounds better.

[@kimjessen737]

Goooooosebumps all over my body…

[@brianhudson7058]

Pity the commentators competed for audio time they should've just let us hear the bike

[@triplebuses955]

I remember that at the Chimay Classic bike, I heard an engine screaming in the riders' park, it was impossible to stay next to the bike because the noise bored your ears. It took all the ingenuity of the Great "Mike the bike" to tame this "monster". In those years, there were many manufacturers and technical diversity was the key word, the various regulations have brought diversity down, too bad! In MotoGP 2, they have came to have all the same engine, in short, almost production races ...

[@peterg2yt]

:-) that was me at Chimay riding replica number 007 for the very first time (the one in the video is number 001 and is owned by Honda)... not an easy bike to ride until you get used to the lack of flywheel... At Chimay it was overheating, clutch dragging and the carburation was way off... finally got it sorted in time for the 2017 parade lap of the IoM. Fantastic!

[@triplebuses955]

@@peterg2yt Congratulations on being able to tune and ride such a bike, I envy anyone who saw it battle other manufacturers in the 1960s. Thank you for bringing such a bike back to life.

[@jarnosaarinen4583]

This is a RC174 replica 297cc raced in the 350cc class not the 250cc RC166.

[@kweeliso3601]

Right! And build by the french manufacture JPX

[@peterg2yt]

kweel iso - one person who worked at JPX did the initial work on engine drawings/CAD work but the bike was built by George Beale... using many specialist parts manufacturers and suppliers.

[@bigred8438]

What are we watching this old thing for?.....Because he was great rider back in the day.

[@tonykartracer8032]

I'm next!! :)

[@peterlovett5841]

How many gears has this thing got? He seemed to be down-shifting forever there at one point. What a fantastic machine but I bet it was a bugger to race with little to no fly-wheel effect.

[@peterg2yt]

Seven

[@peterlovett5841]

@@peterg2yt Thank you - I thought it might be double that at one stage.

[@jameseastwood4984]

I read that when Honda developed it they kept it secret and even shipped the bike with only 4 exhaust pipes so as to preserve the design until it's first outing.

[@Jenuin]

WoW ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@eslermanu47]

Proper racing bike the best ever you can't buy this in a shop like these modern bikes not in the same class

[@46danz]

When he went off,first thing he thought “oh fuck”

[@originaLkomatoast]

In the early 80s I worked at a Honda dealership that had a new Honda 250 6 cylinder on the showroom floor.

[@peterg2yt]

You worked at 'Hailwood and Gould' in Birmingham! It wasn't a 'new' bike... I have a photo of it.... It looked rather tatty.

[@originaLkomatoast]

@@peterg2yt No, it was in Oklahoma City.

[@peterg2yt]

@@originaLkomatoast that’s really interesting to hear… there was a very well known case of a 250cc RC166 which was lent to Mike Hailwood who had a bike dealership in Birmingham at that time in partnership with another racer called Rodney Gould. Mike Hailwood was tragically killed in a road accident in a car (along with his daughter) and that bike was sold, illegally to a collector in Holland. It never re-surfaced. I wonder if you know what became of the bike that was in the US?

[@originaLkomatoast]

@@peterg2yt Don't know.

[@exb.r.buckeyeman845]

Sounds like Neil McKenzie.

[@ptityamaol]

2 1/ en plaques bleues ?

[@burgey2145]

I see it at Coventry motofest always come down the ring road full throttle

[@kawall7140]

You want an electric bike listen to this fella

[@Steverinomeister]

2:15 Target Fixation

[@seantheberge4182]

Why would you talk over such a beautiful sounding engine??? Mind bending....

[@michaelwillette5738]

Just found this. Honda made both 250 & 350 versions. I remember when these were so secret they were just rumors.. A now deceased family friend and one of the first American Honda dealers, John McLaughlin, being a champion racer and personal friend of Sochiro Honda rode them in Japan to evaluate them. He gave me a rundown on them. The voice-over attributing the stalling to a light flywheel effect is wrong. The ultra narrow power band was/is the major factor here.

[@hectorherbert6585]

Have you watched the complete home/hand build from Allen Millyard here on YT..???

[@stephenscholes4758]

@@hectorherbert6585 That is a fantastic story and I'd love to have it or ride it but it's not in the same ballpark as Beale's, for one it is not a Honda base, and is water cooled, not air-cooled like the real thing. Also, I have my doubts it could be ridden hard for any length of time.

[@voodoochild800]

Honda never made a 350cc version of this bike but did compete in the 350cc class with the rc174 which was just under 300cc. The bike was so advanced for its time it won the 350cc class and championship that year.

[@peterg2yt]

As an owner and rider of one of these bikes (number 007) I can say that your late friend was mistaken. Actually the power band is astonishingly wide... nothing like a 2-stroke racer from that era which had a very narrow power band.. The engine pulls cleanly and linearly from about 10,000 to just over 17,000 (which was a surprise to me). On the other hand, the total lack of flywheel means that until you are really 'in synch' with the bike, it is very easy to stall the engine on gear-changes... that is exactly what happens on the video.

[@kazuR6]

Is this 350? Blue number base.

[@mightress]

My guess: those honda bikes back than where not perse the fastest but no one dared come close enough to pass because the fear of hearing loss.

[@classicraceruk1337]

Takes me back to Brands in the 60’s watching and listening to Hailwood scream the life out of it. It was the 297 6 beautiful

[@monsieurcommissaire1628]

Like an air raid siren.

[@noverguy]

Great ride! Great sound! Announcers good riddance. What a couple of knuckleheads...they never shut up.

[@francoiscartier2486]

It sounds like the world is coming to an end !

[@kenrobinson6685]

Blue plates was 350 was it not

[@jpmorgen5726]

297cc...?

[@fullgas1413]

What a fucking Nice screeming!!! Que ronco lindo, puta que pariu! E é uma réplica do gênio inglês!

[@tobydell66]

is this the one built by millyard

[@callan1929]

No, completely different replica. This bike was built just like the original bikes down to the last nut and bolt type build

[@monsieurcommissaire1628]

If only Honda had done a decent sized production run of the 250 inline 6 (not too likely, I know), Allen Millyard could by now have made a totally bonkers 500cc V12 from a couple of them...

[@t.s.racing]

Back in the late 70z, while I was attending Honda PRO private school, I achieved the overall highest grade for the Engine Building section, the Instructor gave me a spark plug from this bike, or one of the same. It was smaller than my pinky finger. The cener and ground electrode is located so far inside the shell, it was hard to imagine a plug this cold of a heat range. 🏍🏍

[@stephenscholes4758]

Guess which bit george Beale couldn't replicate? NGK asked a motza to recreate them but Beale said no and used a slightly larger example

[@peterg2yt]

@@stephenscholes4758 Actually George Beale had an agreement with NGK to make a batch of exactly the same plugs as used in the original and Honda put a stop to it (actually they bought the entire batch and wouldn't supply anybody else - they used them as 'corporate gifts!), which was very strange because the first Beale replica was made with assistance from Honda and they bought it from him (personnel changes at Honda with people with different ideas)... it the bike in this video. The original plugs are 8mm thread and the plugs in the Beale replica are 8mm too. The plugs used in the Beale reps were were designed to fit the Honda NR750. The spark plugs are the only parts on the Beale replicas which are not interchangeable with the original Honda six bikes.

[@camilo8cheryl]

So its 42cc per cylinder?

[@redrobefan]

No, 49.5cc

[@Team-fabulous]

The bikes blue number plates denote it's a 350 and I think the true CC was 297!!!! I think....

[@user-cs1rx9zu9k]

World Heritage Site

[@Lee-70ish]

Its a shame the Weslake 500 never got beyond design prototype. 20000 rpm from a single 500 would have been something. That said modern big bore short stroke was Weslake's idea.

[@jamesevans164]

Those two Muppet's have Absolutely no respect for a Godly Sound... can we listen to the bike please... I could cry...

[@xvdd1]

Some nice footage, I read the Beale replicas were going for 450,000 so who knows, I hate Stuart Graham because he is so thin I am ten years his junior and decidedly fat lol.

[@rayworx]

Ever notice how most all racers and ex-races and wanna-be racers 'blip-blip-blip' the throttle? Reason is that these Honda's had NO idle circuit in the carbs. So if you let off the throttle (like what happened to the rider in this video) the engine will die.

[@mr.x6409]

It doesnt has pilot jet

[@threestripe4835]

Allen millyard is the brilliant behind it

[@stephenscholes4758]

No, different bike...his is a vague "tribute", Beale's is a perfect replica, he made six, spending millions £££

[@peterg2yt]

@@stephenscholes4758 Ten, not six.

[@viggo48sam]

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🏁🇩🇰

[@finnianjenkins2872]

Rc174 297cc

[@joedoe4918]

Si les commentateurs pouvaient fermer leur grande gueules ça serait parfait 😁

[@jamato2004]

Not any word heared!!!!

[@martinhambleton5076]

This is a 297cc version.

[@raffiazwari3962]

sound like a f1 v12

[@mattharte7334]

Didn't Allen Millyard make from scratch an exact copy of this bike?

[@peterg2yt]

Whilst not wishing to detract from Alan Millward’s fabulous achievement, his engine is made by grafting two road bike engines together and it makes his engine about 50% wider than this one, which is an EXACT replica with fully interchangeable parts to the original.

[@cramos7287]

@@peterg2yt yes sir... from 2 Yamahas he made 1 Honda 375cc 250/4 = 62.5cc per cylinder x6 = 375cc

[@peterg2yt]

@@cramos7287 Exactly… it is not an exact copy of the Honda RC174 (but it does have six cylinders and is a very clever piece if engineering).

[@vinm300]

They never shut up.

[@shaunlastname391]

1:06 The hairs on my arse???? Seems a bit much 🤣

[@pabrennan6877]

1:33 "Front Back Straight" - this counts as commentry then?

[@user-ee8lv5jq8m]

250CC ? THE NUMBER PLATE ARE BLUE WHICH I BELIEVE IS 350 CLASS. I RODE A 250CC AND THE BACKGROUND COLOUR TO NUMBER PLATE WAS ALWAYS GREEN.

[@johnshrimpton135]

I bet his arsehole went tighter than a snare drum skin when went over the grass ! Well saved !

[@gerriteggink4700]

Hoe kunnen motorliefhebbers hier doorheen kletsen. En het gaat ook nog nergens over

[@angeloterribili3525]

It would have been nice to listen to

[@niedernhall1]

If he ever would stop talking!

[@duellingscarguevara]

It does sound in better tune, than the factory Honda guys could do on their original. (What a bitch, gotta be kept on the boil?).

[@nickohare7187]

Too much talk!!

[@Madd_Budiman]

replica ??,, I think that is original.. the sound is similiar

[@peterg2yt]

Yes, replica but apart from electronic ignition, identical.

[@davidellis2286]

Just fund this video which I thought was all about the fantastic sound of the Honda 6, but virtually all we got were the two commentators talking over the sound. What a terrible waste.

[@goosedeathable]

The commentators talked about the amazing sound, yet won’t shut the hell up. As others have said, they ruined the whole video.

[@redtrummy]

Now I know why I stopped watching Moto Gp - worse than woman rattling

[@grahamambridge2856]

Commentators.. Just shut up on this occasion...

[@jameswulzen590]

can't be a 250 it has blue number spots on the fairing, it must be a 350cc rep.