Honda CBR 600f decat Akrapovic exhaust sound 2013 2012 2011 PC41 Black Widow

A quick video showing the installation of decat Black Widow downpipes and Akrapovic exhaust on my Honda CBR 600f. Skip to 0:53 seconds to hear the exhaust sound! Took it easy through the tunnel as there was a cop 👮waiting with a speed gun!
I've been wanting to remove the heavy cat and stock downpipes on my Honda CBR 600f 2013 for sometime now. They are super heavy, look awful and really restrictive for the bike. De-catting the bike and installing the Black Widow De cat pipes adds a nice exhaust tone to what was a quiet bike. It's louder, without being crazy. First part of the video is the installation, second part is the sound! Turn up those speakers!!!! I had the brackets welded on to the exhaust headers by a local exhaust maker. I bought the carbon heat shield online.
Next step is to get the bike re-mapped and a power commander installed along with my K&N air filter. Hopefully it should make some power improvements too.
Let me know what you think.
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[@togwilson]

I tried a track version of this bike at Donington with slicks and upgraded suspension front and back and it was awesome! Not loads of power but it was so fast in the corners.

[@SuggyRacing]

I wish mine had that. Yeah I bet it was good. It's so smooth to ride. No where near as aggressively as my RR and feels a bit sluggish at first in comparison, but with the set up you mentioned, It would be nice to ride. 👌

[@maarteneevers3648]

Ive done some kilometers with the Black Widow - Honda Original Akrapovic combination and i have to say its quite a bit louder in the lower rpm's. Exhaust temps are a lot lower, as is the oil temp.

[@SuggyRacing]

Sorry I missed this comment. Yeah agreed, it's miles better than the original pipes. Just the weight difference is enough to make a better change. Sorry for the slow reply 🤦

[@alexpowerbuilding]

Have you done a remap on the electronic after the decat? If not, any problems in performance? I am doing the same on mine and I hear a lot of different opinions so will be happy to know your experience. Thanks. The motorcycle is amazing!

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi. Yes I had it remapped. It's got a dynojet power commander 5 on it after I removed the cat. It does help it to run smoother and adds a bit of power. It mainly helps the performance of how fast it picks up. Without the map it runs, but not that good. You can get away with not doing it, but it definitely helps. 👍

[@Rallygupta]

Lovely looking bike!

[@andrewquintero-d9z]

Do you have a link for the downpipes with the belly pan? Cheers

[@elenaakutu5914]

What a machine! 👏

[@Meugalego]

Good job fella!!

[@speedyspeedyi]

Does this bike have a comfortable seating position? How does this compare to a cbr600rr for example. Sounds good 👍

[@SuggyRacing]

I have a 600rr aswell and the 600f is more upright. It's less tiring on the wrists and lower back. The RR is very leant forward and feels like you are sat on top of it, this feels like too are sat lower on it. Hope that makes sense. The seat on this is much bigger than the RR so way more comfy for longer distance. I'd class it as sporty touring bike. It's not totally upright and it's not leant forward like a sport bike, it's in the middle. As a first bike it's great.

[@speedyspeedyi]

I was hoping you'd say that about the seating position as that's what id imagine it would be. Is not my first bike, I've had a couple of sports bikes and am after something comfier and slower where I can go up and down the hearts a bit more on the road without going silly speeds. If I could find a modern inline 4 400cc/500cc sports tourer style I'd be very interested, but most of them are twin cylinders. I'm guessing this is a bit slower than the RR tho so might be worth a test ride.. thanks for the reply 👍

[@SuggyRacing]

Yeah it is a bit slower. It's about 100hp compared to the 116 on the RR. But it's still fun. Even the RR isn't quick for today's standards. It's a nice compromise and I got it for longer rides out and just taking it easy. I don't like riding fast on a road, personally I don't see the point. I try do that on a track. Yeah have a go, see what you think 😊

[@speedyspeedyi]

@@SuggyRacing same reason I'm after one really, cheers mate 👍

[@andrewquintero-d9z]

Did the cf belly pan come with the kit ? Where do you get it from?

[@frankedoodle3798]

This is a class looking bike, do you still have it? What's the issue with the brakes on this model?

[@SuggyRacing]

Yeah still got it. The brakes are linked brakes, so good for safety, but not good if you ever wanted to go fast on a track. It would be better in my opinion of they were just standard ABS brakes.

[@frankedoodle3798]

@@SuggyRacing ah ok I am going to look at a black on this week with Akra exhaust. Has 24k miles. Do you find the ABS any good on it? Thanks

[@SuggyRacing]

@@frankedoodle3798 Its a nice bike for a mix of sport and comfy. It's not mega fast, but it's smooth. It's a great bike to do everything. It's ok the brakes, they could be better but also nothing wrong with them as they are.

[@frankedoodle3798]

@@SuggyRacing thanks for the info. I chose those over the older CBR 600f4 because of the ABS

[@SuggyRacing]

@@frankedoodle3798 It's definitely better than the older 600f. It rides really well. I had mine mapped so it's pretty nice. I think you'll enjoy it if you use it for a bike that does everything. If you want something fast, the R6 ot the RR is better. This is way better for comfort though. It's not leant over as much.

[@Miguel95LOoL]

Hi, what is the brand of your windshield? Is it the original shape or did you buy with the bobble? nice video, your bike is looking great ;)

[@SuggyRacing]

Thanks, glad you like it. It's made by Powerbronze and it's the dark tint with double bubble that I went for. Fits the bike nicely. Here's the link... www.powerbronze.co.uk/honda-cbr600f-11-13-400-h129.html

[@gsxr750winnie8]

Hi mate - great but of kit, I have the same with stock system. The plans is to do what you have done, and I can deal with the fueling occasionally running rich but did the decat/system throw up any lights on the dash like the engine management light? Thankyou in advance 😊

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi. No nothing will come on. It's just a case of switching it all out. The power commander is just to stop it being rich. It does help smooth it all out too. I did have a quick shifter on it too, but took it off for my track bike. It was fun though 🙂

[@gsxr750winnie8]

@@SuggyRacing perfect, sounds great, do you have the link for the downpipes and link pipe/slip on? Thankyou :)

[@marcoserra8831]

Stunning result dude, from real is surely more impressive! I have the same bike and thinking to decat... Eventually would you recommend me Black Widow downpipes (cheaper) or Arrow ones?

[@SuggyRacing]

Cheers. 👍 It's up to you. Mine are black widow and my mates are arrow. Pretty sure his are titanium and mine are stainless. His are better made. They do sit down the left side of the bike, where as mine are on the right like the original pipes, which I prefer. His leaves a big gap on the right where the oil sump is. I'm not a fan of that.

[@NikkMarie92]

What mirrors are these? Look so much nicer than the OEM ones!

[@SuggyRacing]

They were just ones I found on eBay at the time. Yeah they are nicer, much smaller so visibility is harder.

[@MarcJWebbMusic]

Can you add a link to the downpipes. The ones I found online don’t look like your one

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi. They changed the design a couple of years after I got the original ones. The new ones copy the Arrow exhausts. Probably a better design and easier for them to make. They run down the left side of the bike, whereas mine run down the right and mirror the original honda exhaust. I also had someone weld on a bracket for me, so that I could use the heat shield. That's the latest model... www.blackwidowexhausts.co.uk/cbr600-fa-2011-2013-de-cat-race-exhaust-downpipes-headers-28087-p.asp

[@MarcJWebbMusic]

@@SuggyRacing ah got ya. I want to keep the side panel part so that it looks the same and keeps the body line. So that was just welded on brackets to screw the side panel onto ?

[@SuggyRacing]

@@MarcJWebbMusic yeah that's what I was trying to do aswell. Just looks nicer. Plus on that bike, you don't want to be making too many mods as it already looks pretty nice. Yeah I took it to an exhaust company and took them the original exhaust. They just copied the brackets and made them the same, to fit the heat shield. It sounds so much better with the new exhaust on it

[@MarcJWebbMusic]

@@SuggyRacing yeah for sure. How much did they charge you ?

[@SuggyRacing]

@@MarcJWebbMusic I can't remember to be honest as it was a few years ago. It was a bit more effort than it looks for them to make.

[@gabelfreak9843]

Hi, Did you remap the original ecu / used a power commander to go with the decat system? Have you noticed any performance increase? Also, where did you get your engine covers? They look great Thanks

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi. I haven't re-mapped it yet but I will be doing. I'm going to get a power commander put on then get it on a Dyno, see how it does. I've heard it helps a bit. But the sound difference is massive, so that's definitely a positive. The video doesn't do it justice at all. The covers I found on eBay. I just googled pc41 carbon and they came up. Just make sure you get the correct year and for the CBR not the CB. They came from Germany. Glad you like it 👍

[@gabelfreak9843]

M S Thanks :) Did you notice any performance drops across the rpm range? I’m considering a budget workaround that involves deleting the catalytic converter I’ve read some pros and cons and still not sure whether I should do it or buy a decat system. Please let me know when you’ve installed your PC, that should be noticeable

[@SuggyRacing]

@@gabelfreak9843 I haven't had chance to really try it out that much since I installed them. Mainly because the UK weather turned crap. However, I really don't think it made any negative effects on the bike. It's got the stock air filter in at the mo. I will put the k&n back in when I get the PC. So that should breath a little better. I'm hoping once the PC is in, it will have a few improvements. At the minute the main difference is sound and a bit of weight reduction. By budget, do you mean cutting the cat off and welding a pipe in place? Guess it's doable if you have the skills or know someone. Personally, id just get the pipes from Black Widow or Arrow, probably easier. The weight difference is pretty big. Yeah I'll keep you updated. Probably within the next month or so. 👍

[@arttupetskeles]

Hey man, sounds great! Where did you get that heat shield? Did it come with the down pipes from black widow? Couldnt find one from their site. And also did you have to re-map the ecu?

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi. The carbon heat shield was from a company in Germany called FF Carbon. I had to get a local exhaust maker to weld on brackets to be able to fit it to the black widow pipes. They don't have them as standard. It's got a power commander 5 and custom map on it. 👍

[@arttupetskeles]

@@SuggyRacing Thanks for the answer!

[@NGUmrra1n]

@@SuggyRacing Hi mate, what year is your bike and which PCV did you get?

[@SuggyRacing]

Mines 2013 and it's got a power commander 5 👍

[@manbiteslife3110]

Meanest looking 600f I have seen. I reckon a clear or light smoke windshield would take this to another level. just my personal preference tho

[@SuggyRacing]

@@manbiteslife3110 cheers. I'm actually looking to sell it at the moment. Fancy something different 😁

[@manbiteslife3110]

@@SuggyRacing You've kept it for so long! Yeah it's due for an upgrade, it's a bike that can do everything great but nothing perfect imo, but that's what makes it amazing. Decent low torque, comfy clip ons, pretty stable unless you smash the throttle (imo everything that exceeds 200kmph needs a stabiliser) , could use better brakes etc.. How did you find the suspension? I am a heavy rider 100kg so for me it was underwhelming.

[@SuggyRacing]

@@manbiteslife3110 yeah as a bike, I can't fault it. It's probably one of the best all rounders as you say. I still love riding it, it's just that I like doing track days and racing now. So I barely ride it. I'm tempted to not even bother with a road bike after this. Yeah what let's this down are brakes and suspension can always be better on any bike. But, it's still a decent ride on the road. Yeah if you are heavier, maybe get someone to try set it up for you. They will come set to a standard setting which is never ideal

[@manbiteslife3110]

@@SuggyRacing I've seen a lot of track videos in your page. I had a cbr500r when I was doing some track days and advanced lessons and it was so fun, and I kept up with everyone. The joys of riding a slow bike fast is unmatched. I need to get back on the track to hone the skills some more. So right now you don't want to ride bikes in the street or maybe you have a smaller one for errands? I'm situated in Greece, and the amount of time I save by zigzaging through the traffic is unreal to not have one. Are you looking to go all in in the track and racing thingy?

[@SuggyRacing]

@@manbiteslife3110 Yeah I just find it more enjoyable. The traffic on the UK roads is horrendous so it's just not fun at all, unless you go out very early morning or late at night. Then we have a lot of rain to deal with. I just do the odd day/race when I can. Gets very expensive. Yeah I agree, smaller bikes are so much more fun 😁

[@ashleyforshaw5782]

Are the black widow downpipes on the video from the 600f Hornet?

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi, no they are made for this bike. They did them specifically for this model, 2011-2013

[@ashleyforshaw5782]

@@SuggyRacing I’ve got some on a bike I’ve bought but they don’t look like the ones you’ve installed, fitment doesn’t seem great as they are touching the oil pan/sump

[@SuggyRacing]

I'm not sure then to be honest. I know arrow made a set, but they sit on the left side of the sump. And the black widow I have sit on the right. But both sets clear the sump no issues

[@claudiooliveira2270]

Hey, great bike. Where did you buy de decat Downpipes?? I can not find it. Thank you for the help.

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi. Thanks for the nice comments. The decat pipes are from a UK based company called Black Widow exhausts. From what I understand they've replaced this design for a newer style, which are a copy of the Arrow racing pipes. So they are slightly different for how they fit to the bike. These look exactly like the standard pipes without the cat. Whereas the new ones run on the left side of the bike, like the arrow pipes. They are supposed to be good though. These are the newer versions: www.blackwidowexhausts.co.uk/cbr600-fa-2011-2013-de-cat-race-exhaust-downpipes-headers-28087-p.asp

[@claudiooliveira2270]

@@SuggyRacing thank you so much Just another think, I have to place this O2 sensor Eliminator? www.ebay.es/itm/Honda-CBR-600-F-2011-2016-O2-Oxygen-Lambda-Sensor-Eliminator-Plug-/122327516192

[@SuggyRacing]

@@claudiooliveira2270 I haven't replaced it on mine. I put the sensor back into the pipe. I'm getting the bike remapped on a Dyno soon, so not sure what they will suggest is best for it. I think most people add it back in.

[@benavente9199]

Really awesome sound men. I have the ixil doublegun silencer at the moment on my pc41 and it improves a lot the sound compare to the original silencer for a very low price. But your combo of the Black Widow pipes + Akrapovic silencer is on a whole other soundlevel. Is this the originial Akrapovic silencer for the pc41? And how much € you paid for the Black Widow pipes? I have seen also a awesome combo in youtube what I am thinking about to get. Arrow pipes for the pc41 + sc project silencer. But now I don’t know what I will buy next year, both combos sounds awesome. Do you have any advice for me? :) And I like also very much your belly pan. I searched long time since now for a belly pan for the pc41 but couldn‘t find anyone. Do you have a link for this one? Would be pleased. I have the red/white/black tricolor pc41, love it.

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi only just seen this message, sorry for the slow reply. So for the exhaust set up, I bought the Akrapovic slip on exhaust first then added the black widow pipes later. With just the Akrapovic end can it didn't sound much different to the stock exhaust. Your ixil ones will, as they are much louder even without changing the down pipes. There are videos of the arrow down pipes and Akrapovic end can on KZbin and that sounds great too! I think the arrow down pipes would be great! With and arrow end can it would also sound amazing. It just depends how loud you like it. I wanted louder than stock set up, but not crazy loud. For the belly pan, I had this custom welded on to the black widow pipes. It's the reason I went with the widow pipes as they look very much like stock set up, and with the belly pan brackets welded on, its hard to tell that I've changed them. The arrow ones are better made, but they run the other side underneath the bike (on the left of the oil sump), so I couldn't get the brackets welded on. Hope that makes sense? Thanks for the comment 👍

[@SuggyRacing]

Here's a video of an Akrapovic and Arrow combo... kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJbbkmyBfsl1j5I I think the SC Projects end can would also sound pretty awesome. Once the stock exhaust has been removed and that huge cat is gone, the bike sounds far better.

[@benavente9199]

Thank you for your detailled answer. I have now ordered the same akrapovic can like yours for a good price - used one. I don‘t know if you know this already, but the finish/model from the black widow pipes for the pc41 have changed this year and now they look quite the same like the arrow pipes, you can see this also on the official black widow homepage. Now I don‘t know which one I should buy, they look quite the same now, the arrow is about 200-250€ more expensive, of course because arrow is one of the leading brands in this market since long time ago now. Now I have to choose one of them, the black widow has also surely a good quality. I have also found the same heatshild cover on ebay like yours but now it would be useless for me, because the finish of the black widow pipes have changed like the arrow ones and so its not really possible to add the heatshild cover anymore. I have looked now for a other solution and found a belly pan for the cbr pc41, the company‘s name which is producing them is lacomoto from portugal. I think I will order this one, but the only thing I am worry about this is, if it would also fit on the black widow or arrow pipes, because it‘s made for the stock one. I also found a video by some guy in youtube who already have the black widow pipes (old model) with the belly pan from lacomoto and also the same akrapovic silencer like yours. Following I send you the link, what do you say about this? Do you think it would also fit on other pipes? Thank you for your answer. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGG6kqWCfpyhe6s

[@SuggyRacing]

@@benavente9199 Yeah I saw they had changed when I had a quick look at their site. I think these are copies of the Arrow design, and probably very similar just a little cheaper. I think they may run in the same direction as the Arrow pipes, on the left side of the bike. You could contact the Black Widow team and ask if they have the older ones still at their factory, they were pretty helpful when I called. I know what you mean about the Lacomoto belly pan. My friend thought about doing the same thing and getting this to cover his down pipes (but he also has the old style). I'm not sure if this would fit the newer pipe design, it depends where the belly pan mounts to the bike underneath. I imagine the newer Black Widow design pipes would fit within the Lacomoto belly pan, as they shouldn't sit lower than the oil sump, but I'd double check before buying one (you could call Black Widow to ask them about how they fit to the bike). On that video you sent, it looks like the belly pan bolts to the rear of the bike, near the O2 sensor and towards the front where the oil sight glass is and completely covers the underneath of the bike. Those belly pans do look good! Hope that helps.

[@maarteneevers3648]

Hey, question. How did you get those exhaust ports so clean?

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi. I just used brake cleaner and a 'light' rubbing with fine scotch brite. Nothing too rough though. 👍

[@maarteneevers3648]

@@SuggyRacing With my bike the exhaust studs came out of the head :( The nuts were rusted stuck to the studs. they werent really tight so i guess the threads werent damaged. I ordered new nuts and studs. Did you experience any of this? I found it weird that this happened on a 9 year old bike with 17k kms.

[@SuggyRacing]

@@maarteneevers3648 yeah mine were exactly the same. It's best to replace them if you can get them out ok. Some of mine came out, others didn't. On my 600rr track bike I replaced them all. Yeah they aren't very tight at all, just enough to keep them In place 👍

[@maarteneevers3648]

@@SuggyRacing i got new studs and nuts from Honda. I contacted Black Widow today concerning their exhaust system. I bought their newer version (which you have to assemble yourself) + a link pipe to fit the silencer. You don't need the link pipe if you keep the original silencer or the Akrapovic option (0F88 MGV 900)

[@bojanmitrevski8417]

This one has ABS right?

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi, yes it's ABS and it also has linked brakes. Although to be honest I wish it didn't have linked brakes.

[@highwaybrothers6855]

Hi there, noticed youve got belly pan with pipes. where did u buy it from? thanks

[@SuggyRacing]

Hi, the carbon cover is what I bought for the original stock pipes. When I bought the black widow down pipes I had someone I know weld me on a set of brackets to match the exact ones on the stock pipes. I wanted them to look like be original pipes but without the cat. So to answer the question, if you want the carbon cover you can get them on eBay. But to make it fit the black widow pipes you'll have to do some modding to them. Hope that helps.

[@highwaybrothers6855]

@@SuggyRacing ahh great. Thankyou

[@kontroversus]

Hi, 1st, what did rub in the pipes that actually took away that natural shine and 2nd, would you have the ebay link for carbon belly that you attached to the pipes? Many thanks!

[@SuggyRacing]

I rubbed Autosol in to the pipes just to clean them up before I put them on the bike. I had the brackets welded on the pipes (to fit the carbon heat shield) so they were covered in finger prints. The heat shield was from a company called FF Carbon on eBay. Can't seem to find any on there now. It was 2 years ago I bought it.

[@molesx3430]

Do you have a link to the carbon exhaust shield I can't seem to find it?

[@SuggyRacing]

It's from a company called FF Carbon. Google it and they might have some in stock?

[@Petr22777]

Топчик, братан!!!

[@A1dize]

hi, what mirrors?

[@diegoperez2912]

what akrapovic model is it?

[@SuggyRacing]

Not sure but they only do 3 options. A carbon, titanium and a megaphone pipe. This is the titanium exhaust. The downpipes are black widow.