Honda CRF250L Long Term Review in 4k

Heres my review of my very own 2014 CRF250L after owning it for 2/3 years. A great bike and more capable then people think...
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[@davetexd6619]

Nice video, thanks for posting it up. I've got 6500 miles on my CRF. Mostly use it for daily work commute, but also do some riding with friends on country roads. I have absolutely loved the bike for what it is. Can't beat the price point, it's been rock solid reliable, and it's just plain fun to ride. This bike offers a lot of bang for the buck.

[@happylielieXD]

Davetex D got the Same bike last year using it for the Same things. Have you done any adjustions which you van reccomend? I am thinking about doing some minor perfections but as I am a beginner I could need some ideas!

[@yessirrskii0361]

what’s this bike like on the road? faster then the cars in the road? and how’s it handle just on street driving?

[@michaeltutnichts-zursache8258]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! I recently bought an 'as good as new' CRF. I consider it as a bike for trails, not for moto cross. So, I guess it will be just fine for my purposes.

[@shaunm2208]

Just got my CRF and had the Ohlins fork upgrade and rear shock... really pleased...

[@6___________99_____________64]

@DR Dan but with that said and done I bet he learnt a hell of a lot along the way and had fun doing it.

[@MrDailos81]

close your eyes while you listen and you can almost make Ali G out lol

[@motomanvlog]

Not the first time that comparisons been made lol I made a vid on it hahaha

[@loki1066]

That's exactly what I thought ! Why do people do it ? It's makes them sound so dumb!

[@vwluvin9164]

I have a 2016 it's my first,bike work commuter I have about 1,200 miles on it. I drilled some holes in the airbox and removed the spark arrestor (I don't go off road) I was so impressed with the increased throttle response I later installed a 13 tooth sprocket which makes her a little more lively on the highway. The 85ish mph top end is killing me. I am seriously considering selling her for a more road minded fz07.

[@motomanvlog]

Yep not great road bike at speed. FZ07 is wayyyyy more bike.

[@gsabella4]

Still have the 250L? How exactly does the 13t impact the performance?

[@XJOCK69]

2017 CRF-250L 5,000 miles logged on. 13/42 sprocket upgrade w/D.I.D. chain G. Modified the stock exhaust bye taking spark arrestor out & taking about 3 1/2 inch off of it. Slid it it back in there and it sounds amazing and yes more air to my engine means just a bit more Hp.

[@StreetGremlin]

Nice long term review mate. I totally agree with you on the issues with the bike. The biggest problem I have with mine is the suspension. When I ride around doing trails it is great, but when I do something a little more MX oriented the suspension bottoms out quickly. Which is definitely disappointing.

[@motomanvlog]

Great bike to a certain point I guess.

[@waynes.2983]

Street Gremlin it's not a motocross bike. Jesus dude...it's barely a trail bike.

[@StreetGremlin]

No one said it was a motocross bike, nor do I expect the same performance out of it. I just pointed out the suspension bottoms out quickly. The WR250R is a very similar bike, but due to adjustable suspension doesn't have as much of a problem bottoming out. As far as trail bikes go, I think this does perfectly fine for trails.

[@GOWvMatchstick]

And....24 seconds in, and I spent $6700

[@jessw6349]

Great video! Right now I’m actually deciding between this bike and a DR-Z400S for my first motorcycle. I’m 16, 5,8 around 160 lbs and my inseam is like 34 inches, which one do you think would be better?

[@dmoney8177]

I think you’re tall enough for either bike.. The DRZ is def. faster.... the maintenance on the CRF250L is crazy good!

[@michaelpryor2981]

I HAVE A 12 CRF250L ...BEST BIKE I EVER HAD AND I HAD A KAW750, KAW400 AND NINJA600 !!! DOESNT EVEN COME CLOSE..!!! WILL BUY ANOTHER !!!

[@DeiotarusBlogspotEs]

After more than four years of following the evolution of this bike, I finally bought it. It is the new version 2017 Euro 4, with detachable ABS. Right now, once the KLX 250 and WR250R are discontinued, it has no competition. It's what I expected and wanted, a bike light enough, and versatile, with better performance than the basic 125, and very little more weight. For me, the ideal motorbike for excursions and departures on tertiary roads and natural and rural environments. Anyway, regarding its reliability or if it is worth or not for other tours, ask Steph Jeavons or PeterLeonie, who have been around the world with this bike. Of series, I see two shortcomings little autonomy and little load capacity, but almost everything is correctable because the amount of auxiliary industry accessories for this bike is overwhelming. In short, very happy with her. I hope to have a lot of time, many routes and many experiences ...

[@jdroofcleanpw]

Deiolupus but KLX250 and WR250R are not discontinued...

[@mxgryan]

Deiolupus dr650 is best.

[@kevscanada4741]

I heard that Honda will be making a CRF450L for 2018. Came out of the mouth of my Honda salesman at my local dealership,, we’ll see if that’s true soon. 👍

[@upsidedownpeon9984]

@Ticky Tocky with a horrible maintenance schedule as well, though its basically a full on dirt bike thats tagged.

[@russodle2378]

Another great video! I hope you've replaced the radiator guard by now, that was one of the first things I did on mine. Keep the videos coming, bro! Peace

[@motomanvlog]

Cheers mate

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Have you replaced the OEM tyres? I found that to make a HUGE difference to my CRF - best mod by far (after changing the exhaust). Also the air-box mod is super-cheap and you may want to consider the EJK to really get the best out of the CRF. Great review - thanks for posting, I love my CRF :0)

[@motomanvlog]

Glad you like the vid mate. I found running low psi in the dry that they performed reasonably well + its always dry here. Kinda figured id done stage one mods and as of yet havent fully committed to stage 2 mods haha. Will try new tyres soon tho.

[@benzinschnueffler187]

Wich Tyres did you put on? I think about buying a 300L next year

[@juandeleon5738]

Thank you. Usefull! Greetings from Guatemala, many beutifull places around here to offroad ride

[@TheSmartodd]

your tires look like slicks - new run flat rubber would make a world of difference

[@longboardguy]

Well I’ve decided I’ll buy one of these. At $5799 CAN before taxes etc it’s a bargain deal and I’m looking for a bike to trail ride mostly but connect me to the trails on the roads legally do to where I live. This will be enough for me. When I want power I will trailer out and ride my 850sp sportsman. That is my true off-roader/muddier. This bike looks perfect for someone like myself. I’ve ridden a rm125at most and a crf250.

[@jermus]

Nice video! Dig your stuff - would love to see the video of how you setup your yoshi exhaust with the rear plastics/shield.

[@jimmyrgv]

Tecno viking had a baby with Ali G

[@omarsaifudin3692]

I own honda C50, C70 and EX5.. honesly honda does know how to build it last forever.. I got from my grandfather the 50.. good job

[@jeffferguson7256]

the torque and power are exactly the same with different sprockets , it is just the final gearing that has changed

[@garijarmany465]

In the interest of not spreading misinformation your comment isn't exactly correct. The gearing changes, thus torque changes. You are correct, with respect to "power" not changing.

[@damon2692]

less face...more bike....

[@tenent6463]

Daëmon i was going to write the same, then i saw your comment

[@mxgryan]

Even my girlfriend thinks this bike is slow. I would like to re-gear it but I don’t want to make it useless on the highway. Thoughts?

[@frankzappa2274]

Great vids motoman, i just bought last week a 2014 crfl with fmf powercore4 & powerbomb included mint shape for 4500$cad, almost wonder if i should have waited for the Rally as i have purchased Rally windshield,black barkbusters, Nelson saddle & tail bag, tail rack, gps mount, two way radios, power inverter, black seat cover. Really want to set up 13/40 sprocket, new spring and that fule injector system thingy, fist bike just got learners and im' 44 lol. But i am thinking of maybe getting that African twin and love the bms etc, saw a great deal on a Dakar Dr Big (matte olive)bike looked amazing. This going to be so much fun on Vancouver island :p

[@jnb894]

19hp stock?!? Man, so it means they've got 5 hp stock from 2013 to 2017! I'm actually trading my Rally for a 2017 250L, can't wait for the next season!!!

[@stevec-b6214]

i dont think changing the gearing alters either power or torque, like on a pedal bike putting a big sprocket on the back means you go slower, i.e you can get up the same hill you had to dismount before with the same legs,

[@StainsPOV]

Actually bigger sprocket in the back gives you more torque less top end and smaller sprocket gives you more top end less torque.

[@godgirlsguitars]

I'm stuck between this and the suzuki dr200s. The Suzuki gets 88mpg but has only 5 gears. This honda has 6 gears, I love more gears, but only gets 73mpg. I'm really going to have to test drive them both and then it will still take a while to decide.

[@theibault]

Sold my WR250R a few months ago and really miss it. Looking at this or another WR. Great video. PS, my only little silly comment is regarding Acerbis. It's pronounced A-chur-bees lol. Sorry to be silly about pronunciation.

[@vaerenbergh]

i had a klx250s doing the suspension on these bikes, more agressive tires and exhaust and powercomander do it plus maybe the sprockets, and you have one hell of a bike

[@motomanvlog]

Yep they are capable no doubt

[@affordablecabinetrefinishi1079]

Hey jeff bikes, your rating system should politely be left at home - Motoman's skills are a self assessment - not a public outcry for input.. this is not a forum for negative frustration but hopefully a helpful and entertaining platform for all of us. chill baby

[@tjridez6331]

Jeff doesnt own a bike, jeff wished he had a bike, jeff is just jealous.

[@jeffferguson7256]

what the crf needs is the cbr 300 motor or a 400 cc motor would be awsome , a bigger tank, better suspension. but then you are looking at a $7K bike

[@nestserau]

Yeah, and then you can just buy a Husqvarna 449.

[@Baszilton]

Or just buy the DRZ :P

[@Astrix_Jaeger]

or just buy the Verseys 300

[@Baszilton]

that CRF will run circles around the versys :/

[@bikingfordays6951]

delcastillo1000 the crf will put the verseys to shame in any off road situation

[@lakeeedwards414]

I'm getting one for sure

[@ridingwithjander5520]

Im heading out on a 2 hour dirve next week to go get my CRF250L

[@will3362]

Crazymonkey Killer good luck, my dad might purchase one soon

[@1990-t1j]

Just spoke skins? Are the wheels standard? With all the mods you've done, it's not exactly a cheap bike for a 250, is it.

[@motomanvlog]

Powder coated the rims black too. Price went up a bit with upgrades. Not to bad, but no more now haha.

[@leftfootforward1040]

Thanks for posting.

[@trevorjameson3213]

I keep seeing one review after another about how good this bike is. I like this model a lot but I'm sure I would miss the huge torque of my 650.

[@motomanvlog]

It can be great but its no 650 hahaha

[@xSean145]

Nice bike and very cool CRF250L videos! Can you please tell me where in Thailand you got the performance upgrade parts ? Been wanting to get the fmf and EJK from CRFsonly for years now but not happy about import fees. Also sad that you sold the bike. You not gonna miss it?

[@motomanvlog]

Im real sad I sold it mate, but it was the right decision. I got something planned for offroad tho mate ;) Try BNS on facebook, they have loads of CRF parts here in CNX.

[@ride_with_neilson]

PLease let us know which bar, because there are so many types :p decal set? looks amazing! how much speed lost do you have with your new sprockets?

[@pu11y]

Nice review. Where did you get the mirrors?

[@senilefoolidge2777]

Where is the video of you putting your side cover plastic back.

[@Gonthor1000]

Dude, pin that throttle

[@crjmoto]

Definitely capable bikes (with Motoman mods). If unable to get a wr250r, this would be my 2nd choice for sure.

[@Recon9143]

where I live the WR is 2000.00 USD more. Not worth it in my opinion.

[@waynes.2983]

Recon9143 that 2 grand more would be well spent. The WR is in another league. The CRF is just a reliable toy.

[@XXLrollingpapers]

Awesome review. Where did you get that luggage rack? I need one bad lol

[@motomanvlog]

Cheers mate. Its just a local made one. No brand mate.

[@Pavillon-Noir]

hi, where have you buy the little mirror ?? (4.25 min)

[@SGFAdventures]

Check out flatland racing radiator guard. Picked one up for my crf250l and it is a great addition.

[@motomanvlog]

Yeah I need one mate. cheers

[@GeordiLaForgery]

Nice bike and mods for real, I'm wondering what part of london this man bunked english from? North side?

[@motomanvlog]

Haha great guess mate. Your spot on.

[@proftobes]

considering you changed the sprockets so much, the odometer can't be trusted anymore -- with your changes, it reads higher than the actual mileage. Or did you recalibrate it somehow?

[@MrPavlo25]

considering this bike, like your tips, cheers mate!

[@motomanvlog]

Pleasure mate

[@deathlesszero]

interesting my 2014 doesnt have a hazard light button

[@justintaylor4900]

I know it’s a long time ago now. But how did you keep the exhaust heat shield on?

[@DoctorDrywallLatinoAmerica]

And also would you recommend it for a newbie ?

[@Supernova12034]

Bro...you changed the gearing so much..it must be horrible on the highway then..

[@sdqsdq6274]

come on honda 400 CC not 250 lol ,seem like straws on the spoke is a trend now

[@ARCHSTANTON61]

STICK A K&N AIR FILTER ON IT. GOT MINE UP TO 28 BHP WITH THAT AND FULL YOSHI EXHAUST... OH AND REMOVE THE SNORKEL..

[@CallMeOGS]

If you could do it all again would you have picked a different bike or are you happy with it?

[@motomanvlog]

Thailand only has this and the KLX so im happy with it. But I would of bought a WR or proper enduro bike if they were available here ages ago.

[@vincentcruz4835]

I have a 2014 250l and I am loving it. A couple times when I have been driving it it just turns off. All electronics are still on so I pull over start it right back up and then drive away. Any of you have this problem?.

[@vincentcruz4835]

And before anyone asks no I am not stalling out

[@TheExibus]

Starter relay recall mate

[@kelvinjusnor1657]

Dude how u cover that yoshimura exhaust? Can u make a tutorial?

[@AzNpowangeFTW]

I didn't know Boaty has a motorcycle channel

[@RMC2021]

Can you please tell me where you got the mirrors?

[@jigrodrigues]

Hi motoman, in your opinion, is it possible to ride at 60mph in stock form (around 90 kph) without straining the engine? Cheers

[@mrmichael972]

Motoman, what tires were you running on the CRF in Thailand? I hear that there are limited choices. Thanks!

[@motomanvlog]

IRC Trail something are decent with lower tire pressures for dualsport use. Quick brand for more offroading use mate

[@raka8672]

MY DREAM BIKE

[@joecamel6835]

It's too powerful for you.

[@florynake93]

hey bud! what would be the price for a moto just like yours? I found one from 2013 with 10k kms

[@motomanvlog]

I sold mine for 90k baht back then mate

[@DigitalSamTV]

Cool vid. It looks like a thailand chiang mai area trail... Is it?

[@motomanvlog]

yep your right mate

[@adventureriders4515]

cool mate, its sam here again (just replying from my bike channel in case you are interested in having a look at some of the vids). It would be great to go for a little ride on the dirt sometime if you are still in chiang mai?

[@lexa8057]

Hi! It is better to buy, Honda CRF 250L or Kawasaki KLX 250S? I plan to drive asphalt/off-road 50/50.

[@MrMegaPerez]

Get the CRF :) it has (you feel) more torque, fuel injectors and its better looking ;)

[@stevehufngel7221]

The klx’s engine is an older technoligy and there are more crfs on the roads so you can get parts easyly for that bike

[@shierfuzzball6956]

I can’t watch in 4k, only 1080p

[@simonwylie1193]

Hi Mate! Just bought a Honda CRF250L and living in Thailand aswell. Know any good online shops for accessories etc?

[@bangkokbanshee6323]

www.bns-speed.com

[@bangkokbanshee6323]

www.tntmotor.net

Hi there, where can I buy small round mirrors on the handlebars of your bike?

[@DoctorDrywallLatinoAmerica]

For city use how would you rate it ?

[@BradtheAirsoftBiker]

can you show how you mounted the cover on the exhaust? as I've just got a new pipe and the misses is melting on it haha cheers

[@motomanvlog]

Been meaning to mate.

[@Mr.BlueOfficial]

where on earth you riding at man! looks sweet!!!

[@rico5071]

Is this a good bike for street riding

[@motomanvlog]

Yes

[@Kev506]

I would really like to know how you fit the shield back over the yoshi exhaust!! Please !

[@thanakornkuawong7943]

Nice clip !!! I also ride klx250 in chiang mai too. Hope we can ride togather some day.

[@motomanvlog]

Yeah for sure mate, message me on FB @motomanvlog

[@TheApo98]

were did you get the mirrors from?

[@motomanvlog]

+TheApo98 I made them mate, blind spot mirrors

[@ur2slob724]

Love the kreiga mate

[@motomanvlog]

Awesome bags man

[@mrthomaslaux1]

expedition recomend?

[@senilefoolidge2777]

How did you put the heat shield back?

[@fluffycat087]

Nice, rally is coming.

[@keeganjeans2625]

where did you get the carrier rack on the back?

[@achillesagustin8531]

What do you think about Ohlins Suspensions? is it Maybe worth it? Maybe Better than YSS, RaceTech & HyperPro?

[@motomanvlog]

Id like to try Ohlins. Im sure itd be the best.

[@shaunm2208]

Just got my CRF and had the Ohlins fork upgrade and rear shock... really pleased

[@tristanphillips6637]

What size chain do you need for that?

[@matthews852]

He said “bash plate”. I love the British. Their words are more elegant and functional at the same time.

[@thumperbangin2000]

Mateo i call em skid plates mate

[@mrt1097]

Hey Motoman, how did you refit your heat shield/trim on over the yoshi can?

[@motomanvlog]

I made a couple inch bracket mate

[@dk3keaton]

where do you get your clothing and gear?

[@PeterPrism]

Hy man, I'm 1.80 cm tall and got on the honda crf Rally. it's too high and I can not control it well. this model is a little lower, how tall are you? Do you feel secure at low speed? I see that you dominate well ..

[@butkusfan23]

PeterPrism in the vid he said he is 6’3”. That’s 75 inches. 190.5 centimeters.

[@PeterPrism]

Matty23 uhu tnx, a giant...

[@thien1809]

Hi mate, what camera did you use to record this video?

[@motomanvlog]

Beginning was Go Pro Hero 4 black/silver. Vlogging style bit was a Panasonic FZ1000. Links to the gear in the description mate.

[@justbanter8727]

How come you talk'in like dis bro? - were your parents of mix marriage or is it to do with were you were raised? No offence meant, just ciurious; It is kinda odd/unique. Thanks for the upload btw

[@martintin250]

Sounds English mate, somewhere southern accent

[@thepastorbenjohnson]

I live in Chiang Mai too and I own a CRF 250M. Do you have a good mechanic and parts/accessories shop you can recommend in town?

[@motomanvlog]

Try BNS (Burning) they are centrally located. On FB also mate

[@shaunm2208]

Great service for parts too

[@spartanj2957]

Radiator gaurd??

[@cannabiscove]

Whats the gearing mod ?!

[@karlwalker1771]

HI sir, is this bike a good commuter/ off-road bike at the price or should I look for a 2stroke barn find from the late 80s-2000 TWO-STROKE KINGS? I realise this question is a bit of a conundrum and maybe a little hard to differentiate but if you could answer me I would very much appreciate it, Thank you, sir:) PS I have a VTR 1000F FIRESTORM as my fun ride and I do not wish to take such a machine on the icy roads so I am looking for a second bike to get to work you understand but I would like to take a scrambler offroad from time to time.

[@matthewtrent2019]

Commute? Crf by far lol

[@karlwalker1771]

@@matthewtrent2019 so would you recommend this machine to commute in the snow? I ask you this question because you have ridden it off road but tell me young man is a four stroke engine good or would a barn find 2 stroke be better? Thank you for your reply earlier but could you please put me out of my misery and make a suggestion for my situation,that is commuting in the SNOW😂 I do realise I should go by car but seriously in the 90,so we had 6ft of snow and ice got to work on a HONDA MAX 200R😆PS Google it for comparison.

[@matthewtrent2019]

@@karlwalker1771 yeah I honestly think you can get on this and ride it forever. Keep up on maintenance like anything and I'd say this will run forever. Its efi, which sounds complicated but in actuality is a system that rarely fails. A big plus to efi is this bike will start no matter them temperature with no hassle at all. Old 2 strokes are great, I have one myself. A ts185. That being said, if I were you I'd buy a crf250l and ride it through snow, hell or anything you can throw at it. Because at the end of the day, properly maintained it will probably last longer then you or me.

[@matthewtrent2019]

@@karlwalker1771 so to put it simply, I'd buy the crf and ride it through as much snow as you can handle. Because the bike sure as hell will.

[@TheMessinaround]

hey motoman did this exhaust need fuel controller or not?

[@motomanvlog]

nope

[@bangkokbanshee6323]

See I'd have to disagree, full Yoshi exhaust really requires an aftermarket air filter (K&N, Hurricane etc.) to maximise output. If you do that, fitting an EJK or other fuel controller is essential to account for the extra airflow. :-)

[@bangkokbanshee6323]

See I'd have to disagree, full Yoshi exhaust really requires an aftermarket air filter (K&N, Hurricane etc.) to maximise output. If you do that, fitting an EJK or other fuel controller is essential to account for the extra airflow. :-)

[@bangkokbanshee6323]

See I'd have to disagree, full Yoshi exhaust really requires an aftermarket air filter (K&N, Hurricane etc.) to maximise output. If you do that, fitting an EJK or other fuel controller is essential to account for the extra airflow

[@alpertezcanrookieenduro]

The Sticker is very nice,Whats the brand or how can we get it from where

[@motomanvlog]

Head over to FB for one mate.

[@motomanvlog]

Link in description

[@powderaddicts6364]

I’m getting one of these for highway and city riding. Should I put street tires on it

[@motomanvlog]

If your not gonna ride the trails yeah

[@powderaddicts6364]

Motoman k thnx.

[@foolingdown7075]

So if I want to get the bike to use it as an actual duel sport should I still change the gearing, because the gearing helps torque and acceleration but it hurts some of the speed you would want for a street.

[@motomanvlog]

depends on which you ride more offroad or on, but id say go 13-42 as thats the best all round mate.

[@foolingdown7075]

Motoman thank you for the info

[@mktoysreborn]

How tall are u? Um thinking buya Crf250l but um tall

[@motomanvlog]

190cm mate

[@briantrend1812]

I've been offered a good deal on this 2018 model towards the end of the year but I want to put a luggage wrack on the rear and attach a plywood strong base to that and then attach a doggie carrier for my medium size springer spaniel with a little room for him to move about. I am not sure how the back steel supports to the mudguard will hold up, any advice guys?. I don't want my best friend Charlie to mope alone at home when he can come along for a good road trip. I will only use this bike in the summer. He wont be in his pizza box for long trips no more than an hours ride up the coast to see the waves. we will stop for a break every 20 minutes or so he can run around and stretch . Any advice guys has anyone out there tried this. Charlie is hyper so theres no chance of sitting him on the tank and behave himself he's wild . Im a pensioner and haven't ridden a bike for a few years. I've had two Kawasakis 4 stokes and 2 Yamahas (2 stroke scrambler dirtbikes simple and reliable and easy to get into ) In the 70's. If I purchase this bike which will arrive from a dealer half way up the UK in a box for £99 delivery charges, it will be my fist new bike since 1980.. the insurance charges in the UK are a rip off. when you purchase any vehicle in the UK you have to work out your costs for the long term . they are the highest I've ever known after purchase.

[@artthurman3446]

Hey Brian! What I have learned, is that Honda has designed the sub-frame for "two passengers", plus 50 kg for gear. Two Asians is not the same as two Westerners...but, if you are just hauling your Springer and not a two legged passenger...no issues. I personally do not like the sub-frame for off-road. A side loaded crash destroys it. No big deal, it is not expensive. I am doing a stronger carbon fiber version, for future fun and weight reduction.

[@briantrend1812]

Thai Gyro thanks Thai I have'nt purchased the bike yet but its good to know because hes about 20 kgs I guess in weight and the cage (I would get on ebay) weights about 10 kgs, I guess, plus the plywood base so I guess total weight plus gear for the trip will still weigh less than a person on the rear.. I think in the UK you have to pay extra annual liscence fee to pull a trailer, or have a side car, turning the bike into a 3 wheeler. so a pizza box cage with a roll bar fitted to the steel cage he can look out and be safe inside if we have a slow crash , hopefully not. cheers thanks.

[@briantrend1812]

Thai Gyro I typed out a whole long reply and lost it dam. ?!! thanks for the reply, yup that's the way I will go thanks for the info. Even with a plywood base, the cage I buy on ebay, fitting a safety steel roll bar to it, and the 20 kg dog, and the travel bag, the total weight will still be less than a human passenger weight . I'm short so will be heavily reliant on the bike stand to climb onto whats left of the seat but atleast the new machines have electric starts . I always kicked a bike up on the stand. will just have to get used to the weight swing the tail in a wind

[@jacobb5812]

how fast does it run being that it has a couple teeth down

[@motomanvlog]

Mines geared for acceleration. So top end is worse.

[@jacobb5812]

Motoman gotcha thanks

[@CRAZYEXTREMEENDURO]

Wow Good technique

[@motomanvlog]

Cheers mate