Honest 1st Drive BMW's i4 M50 all electric 4 series GC! 544hp and 795nm | 4k

[@user-fq5bz6po3b]

I genuinly thought this was a biased review from an M3 owner. Then I drove the i4M50 and Joe is once again bang on! Maybe a little too kind as I thought it was boring.

[@johnnyr25]

I just want to say, Joe, that I thoroughly enjoy your perspective on cars. It's honest, articulated well, and well judged. Keep doing what you're doing! 👍

[@JoeAchilles1]

Thank you 👊👊

[@pmr01]

@@JoeAchilles1 i was thinking exactly the same as johnnyr25. considering where you get your input from (ie car manufacturers), i think that was a great honest piece and they should respect that

[@_Atomic_impact]

Its not Well judged. Its known for numb steering But hiding its weight. He says The opposite 😂😂😂

[@Robert.L]

The reason for the lack of door space in the rear is due to the fact that the Gran Coupé, is the same dimmensions as the normal coupé. Same lenght, wheelbase and width (Counting without the added wheel arches). I have a M50 on order myself. Fiew reasons for going for the M50 and not the eDrive40; I wanted xDrive, the added bits of power and style, and price difference here in Norway. It was only 10000 nok or about 1000£, for fully specced models in the start. Later they realised that the M50 was too cheap so the price went up 56k nok / 5.6k £! Another reason is that the M50 was almost half price of a similar specced M440i, due to taxes.. You're absolutely right about this not being a M3 alternative or replacement. I believe it never was supposed to be, as BMW themself said current technology hasn't reached that far yet. Its simply too fat and can't drive all day on a track without killing its tires and draining the battery too soon. But atleast to me, its the best alternative in the current EV marked if one is to choose a electric car. Great review as always Joe! :)

[@andywmoffat]

But it’s got less space than the previous generation GC. That’s the issue.

[@Robert.L]

@@andywmoffat Door opening on previous gen was tight aswell. Same problem with the headroom and C pillar. Only the legroom was better for obvious reasons.

[@cybercityoedo808]

Trying to get one of these for myself, my gas guzzler FJ Cruiser is killing my wallet. I have and FK8 Type R as a weekend car so this would be great for my day to day. Although I may end up getting an i3 to save money.

[@andrewmontague2636]

“Do you need all this straight line performance ?” absolutely hits the nail on the head, Joe. Manufacturers are obsessed with making EVs quick off the mark because, well, that’s about it for driving enjoyment. I’m going electric for my practical daily - a Skoda Enyaq which will be perfect for schlepping about in and which has no pretensions of being fun to drive. I’m keen to try a new M240i which might be my next fun car (M2 will be a bit beyond my budget). I also really question too whether all of that weight is really very green. No tailpipe emissions, sure, but what about the carbon footprint?? Hmm! Absolutely great vid as ever, detailed, thorough, crisply presented and above all, honest👌🏼

[@JoeAchilles1]

Thank you 🙏

[@artansadiki3244]

Spot on.

[@stuartbrowning3074]

I also drove the i4 M50 this week, and totally agree with your review. Having briefly driven the car, over roads I know well, I felt exactly the same way about it. Thanks for being so honest, we do appreciate it!

[@supercarMOMcbrtkk]

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[@watermelon1221]

i4 is the best electric car in terms of balance and getting everything right. performance, price, practicality, service centers, sound, range, interior, ride.

[@ragestunts6990]

This is the review I needed! As a self confessed petrolhead, I ordered a car in August last year, thinking it would be the last petrol car I owned before we were all forced into EVs. That order hasn’t arrived and there is no sign of it anytime soon. So I am considering a Model Y, but now the M50 is looking tempting. I just needed to hear a review from a ‘driver’ not a fanboy. Thanks @joeachilles!

[@JoeAchilles1]

Absolute pleasure!

[@johngoodwin1710]

The majority of buyers just want a metal box to move people and things around in, with the right badge on the bonnet - so this ticks the box. For those who like a drivers car, this doesn’t tick the box as it’s a one-trick pony with its acceleration. The i4 will still sell very well however as it’s the future - and we’re going there whether we like it or not.

[@aviator-kn8zq]

sad state of affairs

[@PQV-8898]

I don't think even BMW intended to make the i4 M50 as great a driver's car as their normal M cars. And I don't think any of their customers would think so either. It is what it is. A super fast EV with comfort and luxury.

[@Richard--99]

Amazing video as always, I'm totally with you with ev, I've driven a few and yes they are great cars but no way they're as exiting as real high performance car

[@Riceyminimad]

Exactly, just don't see the evs taking off, disappointing that they're never really going to be as good 😕

[@waynerussell6401]

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[@donkey8990]

I right now have a 2017 M5 and placed an order for the i4M50. The only reason is that it is saving me about 600 euro's a month and the M5 as a daily is just not a good car for me, since I only drive short distances (which is terrible for the engine, so i tend to drive about 30km to warm up the engine). I am a true petrolhead, so ultimately I also regret this decision, but I guess we have to move on to the 'new way of life...' and also save some money in the meantime.

[@chrisvincent5933]

I ordered my I4M50 as well, short commute to work but I test drove the I40 base model and was sold on the smoothness and like you said to save a couple bucks. Helps I have a Huracan EVO for Sunday driving in the summer, I can get my petrol fix.

[@donkey8990]

@@chrisvincent5933 Having a 458 'on the side' was also a big help for me, so that I don't lose all my fun in driving.

[@Leechy-df8pg]

We have ordered the i4 m50 and can't wait for it to arrive.

[@adams7405]

Great review. Expensive and heavy and no drama,no noise.Need the coming soild state batteries to clip the weight.

[@Neojhun]

No that 2.3 Tonnes has nothing to do with the battery. It's just an absurd weight which almost seems implausible. Even with weight penalty of a high capacity battery it should 1.9 Tonnes max.

[@astongrad930]

Jiggling anology-marvelous. I'm not taking the mick, well explained and I've been watching you for a couple years now, possibly a bit longer. Keep it up.

[@astroplutonium]

I think it is a very commendable 1st try from BMW for a FEV. A bit late but still quite nice. I have ordered the 40, longer range, good enough power, cheaper and filled with equipment instead of extra weight and power that might make me lose my license :) I am selling my model 3. Cannot explain why, most Tesla fans would not get it anyway. Nice review, i agree with you with all your points besides the rear size. I do not think any cars can put a giant in the front and a giant in the back :)

[@poroapina]

Lol can’t take this guy seriously after rambling about reserving the mirror caps to ”real M cars”. So he’s the ultimate judge deciding which car is M and which is not? Not BMW who lists this under the M performance cars?

[@JoeAchilles1]

Ultimate judge 🙌

[@poroapina]

@@JoeAchilles1 🙏

[@gavinhill4121]

Another great video Joe. If we're to all be taking the transition to EV's seriously, why are manufacturers still involved in this power / torque arms race? 200bhp and twice the range would be much more likely to get a regular punter to consider the move from oil burner to cleaner (supposedly) models.

[@christianolsen9781]

Agreed - Id much rather have 300hp and as much range as possible. If possible 500+ miles as I am not able to charge at home.

[@jaromor8808]

200bhp in an EV does not sounds like enough, thank you but no... 200hp would be enough if it wasn't for EVs being heavy af.

[@alexhaddock4554]

Some of it is to get the buyers in this class of market. The battery is still a large cost of the car but coming down. If you get into the higher end, performance sector then you are playing to the strength of EVs. Also with current tech there is a limit from reducing battery size and thus weight. Still, just about to sell my 1st EV after 3 years and awaiting the next to be delivered. Regularly do a 400 mile journey in a car with a realistic (i.e. average motorway speed of 70 plus ..er a bit) range of 200 miles in the summer and about 170 in the winter. Drive it for fun, use all the toys and never get range anxiety simply as always plan to stop between 120-150 miles. That ties in with when I want to stop for coffee etc and I arrive way more refreshed than if I’d done that whole journey in one.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@jaromor8808 The Tesla Model 3 is comparable in curb weight to the M3: Standard Range RWD : 3,552 lb (1,611 kg) Standard Range plus RWD : 3,627 lb (1,645 kg) Mid Range RWD: 3,686 lb (1,672 kg) Long Range RWD: 3,814 lb (1,730 kg) Long-Range Dual-Motor AWD (including Performance): 4,072 lb (1,847 kg) BMW M3 3,840 lbs.

[@darrenbarlow5759]

I own a Tesla Model Y Performance and you're bang on about the handling. They're so heavy and I always feel like the Y should handle better with the big rims/tires. It's almost 5000 lbs and EV manufacturers need to solve the riddle for those who want an EV that is the full package of speed and handling. Good video mate 🍻

[@aasimyousaf2455]

I do have hope that battery manufacturers will soon find a way to make them significantly lighter and charge significantly faster but until they do I'm not sure why anyone who enjoys driving would even consider an EV

[@dutchdna]

Never thought we'd have a "jiggling Joe" BMW.

[@carl9184]

Nice to see an honest review Joe. Not like many who say nice things not to upset the manufacturer. 👍

[@nelsonr32]

To clarify. It’s 400kg heavier than a base 7 series, not a LWB. A better comparison would be it’s slightly lighter than the Porsche Taycan with performance battery packs.

[@JoeAchilles1]

740Li 1815kg

[@simongibbs3936]

As a car enthusiast who started out in mk2 Escorts I think EV’s make great everyday cars, especially if it means we can enjoy proper (petrol powered + manual gearbox) sports cars for fun!

[@spicytango]

My m50 is arriving in March next year.I'll save up for next 5 years and then buy a 2020 low milage M3 Comp for my day off!

[@peterlappland]

Correct! Great Dailys and lacking in weekend cars =)

[@leedorey1490]

Agreed, that's why I have an Exige for the weekend.

[@rodjohnson3771]

Top notch review, As a bmw fanboy the transition to EV's is a tricky one for manufacturer's that built their reputation on a driver centric model! As you mentioned Porsche seemed to have pulled it off with the Taycan, whilst this seems more like BMW trying to tick all the boxes but with out the core values of an M performance car bar the freakish straight line performance! I have no doubt BMW will eventually re-discover that sweet spot that made them the driver's brand of choice within the EV new world, but for now appealing to wider the EV mass market is the priority. I currently drive a Panamera V8 4S which is an amazing do it all car and the Taycan is definitely the only EV I would consider at the moment - bar the cost! But great review and I still love and respect BMW during this transitional and disruptive period within the Auto industry!

[@tlo1154]

Solid review, really appreciate your brutal honesty because know it or not you have an impact on BMW sales. At least you do for me anyway!

[@colinw1591]

Enjoyed the review Joe. In terms of performance, without a gearbox, the i4 only has direct drive, so it's pulling away from rest in probably the equivalent to 5th gear in an M3. So despite the extra torque, I'm not surprised the M3 can beat it....

[@z00h]

Think that through and come back with some valid observations.

[@colinw1591]

@@z00h Power transmission: two-speed transmission unique to Porsche First gear gives the Taycan even more acceleration from a standing start, while the long second gear ensures high efficiency and power reserves even at very high speeds.

[@simonupex2628]

Hi Joe there are 3 things handicapping this car, weight, range anxiety and the charging network, also one other point are the brakes, at over 2.3tons you are going to need a very good set of brakes to stop the car regardless of what the regen can assist with when you take your foot off the accelerator.

[@Veyronp87]

fair video i think! it seems like all manufacturers have work to do to make high performance EVs seem more special than just straight line machines. But until that happens it just makes more sense to buy the cheaper variants with more range.

[@TRD1949uk]

I had a look at the range! 315 miles on 19’s 260ish on 20’s sadly so that’s why it’s so low compared to the 315 you expected

[@elh93]

I love my M50, and that I ask for some speed and it just goes "ja" Living in the states the autobahn inspired engineering is great for the mess of highways near me.

[@dimitriskep4488]

So after making their cars less roomy (6ft 6 guy here), after letting best BMW M staff go to Huyndai Kia group and after designing the ugliest BMWs in history. They decided that it was removing the buttons and making everything "touch" that made Tesla chosen against their competiors ! Great job guys, for sure it wasnt that Teslas are AWD, offer a much better range and of course so more powerful. Just to give an idea of what clowns make decisions in Munich.. They are offering an all electric RWD X3 !!!! And they are expecting this to sell units. BTW Great job bro !

[@JoeAchilles1]

Yep it's not good times at the moment, I think we have 2-3 years of interesting ICE BMW's to be launched (new M2, M4 CSL and M3 Touring), after that it's looking very average...

[@dimitriskep4488]

@@JoeAchilles1 They Germans are arrogant, they cannot learn from their past mistakes. They let a brilliant mind go to Huyndai group, mr Albert Bierman! Google him, a guy with deacades of presence at BMW Motorsport.. And the Koreans honored him ! Because Joe its the people who make a brand rise or fall

[@andrewmoorhouse687]

No one can say this isn’t an honest review Joe! Interesting, as I’ve been considering EVs for a few years now, but still have found that for me ICE is the way to go (current car is a M240i). It’s interesting BMW’s approach to EVs over the last 10 years or so, because they’ve gone from ground up EVs (i3 and i8) to shared EV/ICE platforms such as this. I’m thinking the reason for that is cost. I’m pretty sure the i3 and i8 never covered the massive investment that was involved in their creation (even though they’ve been relatively popular and the i3 remains an advanced and interesting car). Cost saving, due to the shared platform, is the reason this is compromised I would suggest. To be fair to BMW, I think they’re in a very tricky place at the minute; a company that historically was about great driving cars (saloons/sedans and coupés) has had to transition to SUVs (to meet increasing customer demand) and now EVs (to meet ever tougher emissions regulations and environmental concerns). As their range of cars has expanded, so has their customer base and now many frankly buy a BMW simply for its badge and less for the actual car itself. Tech seems to have taken over too in many cases, so it’s less about the car and the drive and more about whether it has Apple Car Play. As I say, tricky times for a company that was all about the drive.

[@PhonyBologna]

Funny, I went from a 2016 M235i to a Taycan 4S. It really is the only EV close to being a drivers car, can't wait for the Lotus Type 135 or Porsche Cayman EV though. Even then, they really need to make the paddle shifters engage the regen braking, to mimic engine breaking IMO. Maybe even purposely have a minimum of two drive moves, one where the low end torque a bit so it 'builds', versus giving 100% at the start. They need to start engineering fun instead of just putting stats down in EVs, I guess is what my point is, even if it is a bit gimmicky.

[@fiftyfirst9745]

I love driving cars, looking at them, cleaning and washing and shining them. I clean 'em inside and outside. I'm very touchy about cars. I don't want anybody leaning on them or closing the door too hard, know what I mean?

[@93455Driver]

Very honest review. As Joe says the Taycan handles, so it shows it is possible and I reckon BMW can can chase that goal. Do see an EV daily and an ICE fun car being the future.

[@stuw4055]

BMW have got stuck in their ways it seems. Using the old conventional platform doesn’t work for something so different as an EV. At least they were creative with the i3 and i8. I’d love to see how you feel the drivers experience is with the new Kia EV6.

[@ReeceT20]

9:30 I'm pretty sure it's also a lot cheaper to put it in the screen than make physical buttons for it, which explains why VAG are doing it so much after the Diesel gate fines

[@whyimustusemyrealname3801]

25:16 what a beautiful e90

[@supercrazysane]

Honest opinion and the end segment nailed it 🤓😎🙏

[@31crazyice]

You are one of the best reviewers in the business and I still can’t watch a review of an EV in one go. They are just too boring and unpractical. Cheers mate, get us something nice sounding after this video hahah

[@Neojhun]

What do you mean by unpractical?

[@31crazyice]

@@Neojhun range of 250miles/380kms is very unpractical. The fact that you charge it for 30mins at best case scenario and 6-7hours at home is also extremely unpractical.

[@Rollermonkey1]

Much like a 2+2 coupe, my theory about the tiny rear doors is so they aren't particularly inviting to people, but if absolutely pressed, you can take more than 1 passenger in a pinch. ...and I'm quite OK with a backseat that doesn't invite extra passengers. : )

[@dang6092]

Appreciate the honest review.... but I'm still getting one! 😂

[@Nick-vp7lp]

Range is reduced on the 20 rims and BMW publish a reduced range to reflect 👍 M50 would be the way to go for me as I'd want Xdrive.

[@GTI_CHHA]

Excellent and honest review Joe. Just one correction, this car may max torque from zero, but not max power as you mentioned. The reason is simple: horse power = torque x revs. Most electric vehicles therefore make max power somewhere between 60km/h and 100km/h as the product of torque and revs is the maximum at that speed. After that speed, they reduce the torque of the electric engine faster than the revs are building (so horsepower reduces). Cheers buddy

[@tjk_9000]

whenever i drive at night i appreciate my old school amber dials. i spend all day looking at a screen for work…ugh i hate this future.

[@charlesstewardson8546]

Thanks for another great, thorough review…did you ever drive an iPace? Just curious as we bought one for our daily treks and, as a keen petrolhead, I was genuinely surprised by how engaging and fun it is to drive. Sure, it’s not a GR Yaris ok the lanes, but it has poise and handling to match most of the best SUVs and big saloons and wasn’t far off the Taycan in my experience in terms of fun.

[@Daniel189HLL]

Any eV you buy will be out of date within 12 months

[@stickshifter8]

You do come across as credible and honest. Good job!

[@AmitPatel-cg9mj]

i4 E40, M Sport it is!

[@LSD04]

We’re doomed, don’t forget to thank Boris.

[@kaceynguyen2873]

At 6:21, I swear I heard a fart. Hahahahahahhahaha trying to get in the back seat, man got squeezed so hard, he farted. Go listen to it lmao. 🤣 dont get me wrong, i still love the car lol.

[@leemace9638]

Happy Christmas joe frm Australia another awesome review can’t wait for more content next year 👍🇦🇺

[@FenTour]

I think one needs more than one car, my current main driver is a Tesla S100D and it's the perfect long distance comfortable vehicle, V fast in a straight line but a bit wooly around sharp twisties. My hooligan car is a Z4M which makes every corner a joy, but it's horrid for a long journey. We also have an iPace, now Jag really have sussed this EV, it is heavy but does not understeer and grips like a leach.... having said all of that I get a test ride in one of these good looking i4 M50s next week, I wonder if it is as pants as you suggest around a bend? If so the Tesla stays put! Cheers...

[@thebingaling1105]

Great video again Joe. Was possibly looking at one of these or the slower one. However I love my 440i as it’s fun to drive (in the dry) and still plenty fast enough for the roads. Think I’ll keep it for a while longer.

[@aneebaba06]

OOOOH BEEN WAITING FOR THIS. My future carrrrrr.....

[@aneebaba06]

I have to agree though, the climate controls should have been on the lower part and not on the touch screen. (I'm 40 lol). I knew you didn't expect much with this car, but I'm still excited for mine to arrive in 4th Q of 2022. Gonna go for the non-frozen Protimao blue. LOL at the end-credit scene. My cousin bro I grew up with is 6 ft 4, so he will not fit in the back seat for sure.

[@aneebaba06]

Update: I'm enjoying mine very much. 5K miles. Picked it up on Feb 17. Still have my 3 series for the time being.

[@Billywoo12]

Great review Joe. 5 Series and up could be good for current EV tech. Rear ergonomics are terrible!

[@supercarMOMcbrtkk]

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[@BMW7series251]

Brilliant review Joe, thank you.

[@Ross01111]

I've seen a few of these reviews now. The lack of steering feel is a deal breaker for me unfortunately. Waiting for technology to progress a bit.

[@Djwatzy]

I wonder if we will ever see an electronic manual gearbox simulation, that'd be interesting!

[@artansadiki3244]

Lol why would you wan't something like that?

[@gregp.7148]

7 series LWB is "only" 345 kg lighter at 1870 kgs, not 400 kgs. But how can a 7 series be this light in the first place?! S Class Mercs are over 2 tonnes easily. And the X5 40i is just 9 kgs lighter than this i4 at 2206 kgs. i4 is still extremely heavy. Everyone, you're welcome! 😉

[@Breadfan00]

The original Audi A5 showed perfectly what a 4-door sedan-coupe-hatchback-thing could be. No one could ever quite follow up imo, not even Audi themselves (at least design wise)

[@stevem2323]

Last BMW 4 series grand coupe was perfection.

[@leafarchitecturedesignltd1110]

Great in depth review as ever however the performance difference you highlight against the M3 Comp specifically the 0-60mph is a little unfair sighting weight being the reason it’s half a second slower on paper. However as you know yourself BMW often unrates it’s 0-60 times and Matt at Car Wow times the i4 M50 at exactly the same time as the M3 at 3.6secs, so it’s actually more remarkable givens it’s a ton heavier!! Hadn’t put me off placing an order in Brooklyn Grey on 20”’s but will be sad to me my M2 go!!

[@JoeAchilles1]

But if that's your argument, I've had 3.07 out if the M3 xDrive.

[@wesbear6969]

BMW really know how to make a heavy car

[@CarsofGlasgow]

Great video Joe!

[@craigfielding6799]

Great video joe. Seen some recent rave reviews of the taycan GTS any chance of you getting one soon?

[@karlschmidt269]

Man what a poor back seat cushioning. It made him giggle when he squeezed into the back and heard the sound it made.

[@SDK2006b]

It’s a Coupe, which are never designed for 6ft+ adults in the back, especially with the drivers seat set in his position. If owners need that, then there are other choices available now, or coming soon.

[@Scorpio1075]

No matter how hard any EV maker tries you just can't cover up the weight issue. EVs are 1500-2000 lbs heavier than a sports car, and you feel it.

[@sparkgsparks1736]

Great honest review certainly makes you think..

[@sv-rh4dz]

I noticed the extra weight going from a m140i to a m340i touring, so this m50i is just too heavy . I can remember my old 1999 subaru impreza, it weighed 1260kg , nearly 1000kg less than this , they need to be so much lighter

[@roland7270]

electric cars are best in city as daily commuters, they arent great track days cars which looks like the only thing what Joe is interested. Try your M3 in London traffic and very quickly you will see what I mean

[@PrivateEyeYiYi]

No traditional automaker is ever going to sell an electric car that can beat their gas powered siblings, even though they could.

[@stefanmolnar4345]

For the money the performance is great, but this money i still take the briliant m340i xdrive its just much better.

[@Shane-zx4ps]

I’m scared for the future with the speed these electric cars can do and are they are only in their infancy, imagine in 20 years time with young boy racers behind the wheels of these rocket ships, anyway great video joe, very informative and interesting as per usual..

[@entropy5431]

These crazy heavy cars are going make a real mess of small hatches when there are high speed crashes.

[@mathijsgabriels6478]

Please make the timing gear usage mandatory!

[@jm9371]

0 - 60 Jiggles in 3.9 secs!

[@claudioagmfilho]

🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Main problem that exists with these electric cars, are the lessening of its autonomy with time, after 5 years you’re down to 50% or less, these batteries are so expensive. and after five years your range of use starts to shrink. For example the cheapest batteries from a Tesla The model 3 is 17 grand (dollars), for the model s it will be 27 grand (dollars) in America 🇺🇸, so I don’t know, I mean am sure that they will get cheaper cheaper overtime and all, but for now they really cost a bit much for my taste.

[@shaneisaacs666]

I always appreciate your objectivity in your reviews Joe.

[@z00h]

How tall are you, Joe? 107kg doesn't look bad on you.

[@misterdragzon]

Baffles the mind why they didn’t just do a 3 series body instead of the 4-door version of the 3 series Coupe 🙄

[@kbs01256]

How did you mount your license plate? I couldn't find and mounting screws holes.

[@BogeyTheBear]

There are no holes. Conventional wisdom says you'll have to drill into the flat portion in the middle of the grille, but there are no-drill plate holder options out there (Tork Lift, Sho-N-Sto, or a tow hook mount).

[@johngoodall7097]

Joe good as always too rich for my blood Petrolped has reviewed a little on the red one but needs mo re time to make a considered view, I suspect he’s of the same opinion as yourself and maybe when batteries get lighter the cars will feel better👍👍👍🚘🚘🚘

[@paulkaminski8829]

It’s getting silly now isn’t it. 2.2 tonne dodgem cars with naff slab dashboard that Merc introduced years back. As a car geek I’m really losing interest in this end of the market. Good informative video again Joe.. thanks mate

[@SDK2006b]

The Merc screen is smaller and not curved. Most of the weight sits in the floor of the car - feels a lot different to a 2.2 ton ICE car.

[@skyfiblue]

Driving pleasure is all about handling dynamics but the Plaids will just never get that through their heads. The denial is strong amongst the EV cult.

[@andrewb293]

Nice car.

[@commuterbranchline8132]

Greater choice of EV is a win…. The weight of this car is enormous…..

[@36hounddogg]

I think the high performance car market will decline with electric cars. They will be boring so eventually people will not want to spend large sums of money on an underwhelming experience

[@JoeAchilles1]

Totally agree!

[@36hounddogg]

@@JoeAchilles1 hi Joe been following your channel for years! I remember you with the m140i and thought thats what I wanted. But finally treated myself to a 2018 430i gran coupe and absolutely love it! Thanks again for all your videos and content, been tremendously useful in making a decision.

[@martinboulden3540]

Nice looking car.

[@stigbjorge2579]

Thanks for telling the truth ;-) I wonder what it will take to create an electrical car that is not “overweight”’, and still has got a sufficient range of say 400 km (250 miles)? (My car is an Alpina B3 Biturbo Touring)

[@Neojhun]

Just use the latest best design is all you need to improve weight. 2.3 Tonnes is just absurd to the point it makes no sense. Even with the weight penalty of a large capacity battery it should be 1.9 Tonnes max. Not sure where 400kg came from.

[@jasonharryphotog]

Instrument display looks terrible I had a hire car this week with one of those displays in the centre of the dash and I found it very distracting YUK

[@MostCedric]

I had owned a Tesla Model 3 Performance for 8 months, then I sold it for various reasons. One of them is the lack of soul or excitement. Yes, the acceleration is fast, at first it is very impressive, especially during the test drive, but you know what, after having done maybe 5-10 times the full acceleration, my body got used to the G force, then I couldn’t feel anything special about the car anymore. There is no acoustic feedback (engine noise), no revs, nothing, there is no feedback, nothing to work with, it’s a super super boring experience, I am not attached to the machine. Then I sold it and switched back to a manual mx-5 with 8s 0-100, super slow, but very exciting to drive, you are connected to the machine, you can work your engine, you get a feedback, it’s rewarding. Another reason to sell Tesla is phantom braking, another topic.

[@lotsofcurveslover]

My thoughts exactly. Driving an electric car is like driving a fridge.

[@alexandrepf8471]

Exactly evs are more for daily. for spirited or philosophical or musical driving conventional ice esp na ice still tops the exp

[@seechim]

Performance EVs are a one-trick pony. Combustion engines have so many facets to their personality that I mourn for the future. And Mark Williams… a sound generator just doesn’t cut it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DrivinZ]

Same. Selling my M3P because it’s a heavy one trick pony. Just not that fun - you really feel the weight in the curves

[@ronaldov09]

I feel sorry for those that can only have 1 car for some reason. I have 3 all suited for a different purpose. The model 3 P is a great daily. But yeah, not great if thats your only car and you're a bit of a driving enthusiast.

[@henning.a4646]

Guess I’ll stick with my lightweight i3S then. Corners like a go-kart and every trip is a blast. The new i4 looks allright, but i think BMWi has lost some of its engineering momentum from the great i3 / i8 days.

[@Neojhun]

It's kind of Insane this car achieved 2.3 tonnes. Something went with the engineering or they spent extra effort to achieve that. This class of EV should be 1.9 Tonnes max which is already a bad weight penalty. How they made its 800kg more than an ICE equivalent is junk bonkers.

[@pearsebarrett2660]

Great honest review as always Joe. I’m looking forward to getting my I4 M50 in March. It’ll be my daily and then I have my manual M2 comp for the weekends. Best of both Worlds 👏

[@JoeAchilles1]

Cheers man! Ahh yes that is the perfect setup 👌

[@dimsoneill]

I really hope you don’t have any rear passengers, that rear seat is a joke.

[@pearsebarrett2660]

6 year old son so not a bother

[@alexhaddock4554]

Nice car, very surprised how much i like this and how the grillie doesn’t bother my as much as expected (don’t start me on the iX though). Taycan due in April but I’d seriously consider whatever the evolution of this is when my PCP is up. Oh, and no kids, so the comedy back seats Joe pointed out would just serve to make me laugh if it was my turn to be the designated driver taking mates to the pub…😂

[@stuartodell2828]

@@dimsoneill I have the i4 m50 and I’m 6 foot 2” and I can sit in the back with good leg room head room is a bit tight but I’m not hitting the roof it’s not that bad also there are not that many families that are all above 6 foot

[@kiplingordon]

I really appreciate your thorough car reviews. Especially points about interior space. Many car journalists forget that people need to be able to actually use with these machines everyday.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Cheers man, glad you appreciate it 👌

[@NicolasOulevay]

Oh sorry I am of the opposite opinion. Carwow can tell me about interior space if I want. I always watched joe for the thrill of driving

[@TheTechGiantYouTube]

Nice to see more EV's coming through from premium manufactures. Tesla make some good cars,but IMO they can't compete on the quality.

[@CASFAN]

Loved this review Joe. Honest and informative as always. 100% agree with what you say on cars being too fast to enjoy on the road now. Even the M340i (as amazing as that car is) is too quick to enjoy on the B roads. Fully understand what you’re saying about an i20 N or a Fiesta ST, for some B road thrills.

[@Peanutdenver]

I think the E92 M3 with a naturally aspirated 414 hp was the sweet spot that was useable on the road. I loved mine and would have kept it thinking back on it now. I also love my F82 M4C but the power can be a bit spikey and could be dangerous in the wrong hands on a public road. I've driven a 991.2 Turbo S and it was insane how that thing accelerates, I can only imagine what a car like the SF 90 or 765 LT would be on public roads. You can only exploit these cars on track and you need skill in order to do so...Here in the States we do have a little more room on our roads but the point still stands.

[@russodean2]

I agree. I got an M240i. On Sydney roads it's just too much power to have fun all the time. The Abarth 124 spider will be a fun car to redline everywhere.

[@Peanutdenver]

@@russodean2 I had a 06 Dinan Mini Cooper S that was the first car I ever tracked and it was probably the most fun I've had on track too. So I totally get how an Abarth 124 spider would/could be the pinnacle of a 200ish hp car driving experience on road or track. They won't kill you for making a slight mistake in a bend during a weekend outing.

[@russodean2]

@@Peanutdenver yeh exactly. My first car was a 2012 SKoda Fabia VRS. 132kw and 250NM. Hate to say it. but I had more fun driving that car than my BMW. Definitely had some scary moments around corners in my BMW haha. Makes you check yourself.

[@russodean2]

I'll also add that my BMW M240i is the best car I've ever had. love it.

[@vindevhunta4905]

Ugly car...previous gen 4series looks way better

[@TheWs25]

I'm a fan and enjoy all of your videos, but I have to say I can't help but feel you got out of the wrong side of bed on the day of this review. Felt very negative from the off, like something was up. I've seen your edrive40 review which is much more positive, and i understand the reasons why. Any plans to revisit the M50? Seems a great car going by other reviews.

[@drew5200]

This car will improve over the years. They will make the adjustments they need to make sure us BMW enthusiasts are happy. It’s the first generation let’s all relax and enjoy the car for what it is. Cheers 🍻. Nice review Joe as always.

[@supercarMOMcbrtkk]

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[@henrymacleod6592]

Nothing more to say Joe ! The weight of the cars today is driving me crazy. I drove two Peugeot 205 GTI with a weight of approx 900 kg in my youth :) you can have a lots of fun with only 120 hp. Same opinion - EV's are good and they are doing their thing to save the environment in a long range but if you want to have fun, your garage needs at least another space left for an inline or a flat 6. If my M240 were a manual, I would never sell it. I'm currently waiting to replace it with the incoming G87 - but only if this will be build with three pedals and RWD.

[@Lkpumpin]

There shouldn’t be any compliant about the rear on this. It was never designed for 4 tall adults. It’s a grand coupe. If you need a comfortable rear, then wait for their i3 or go for the iX. For me, this is perfect, I rarely carry ANY adult in my rear seats. Mostly empty, occasionally kids