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[@MrNicolaiN]

Hey Rick, loving the show and your other videos. Just a quick request, could we get timestamps on the videos for the different topics?

[@jordanlynam3135]

Hey Rick if you need help doing this I can go back and help you collect time stamps I use an AI program to save time, I’m a social media manager so I do this all the time

[@Insert.Name.Here.]

Come on rick! Listen to the fans!! We need timestamps

[@asierraa70]

Absolutely, Rick, this is much needed, regards!

[@whitson6777]

@@Insert.Name.Here. They'll never do timestamps as they want people to sit and "listen" to the whole thing, not just jump to the bits they want...it's a painful, but sad truth

[@HansKoch]

@@whitson6777 that's why i am not a subscriber, the mic sounds like they are in a bathroom....

[@giii7599]

"Forty years ago, it was considered by some a risky move for the guys who play professional golf to break away from the group created for golf professionals." This was about the PGA Tour splitting from The PGA of America in 1969. "The golf breakup occurred largely because of the influx of money that television had started to pump into the game. The top players (Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer among them) wanted to use the additional TV money to pump up the purses." "The PGA of America wanted to put the money in the general fund. That's when the compromise was reached, with the golf professionals and the professional golfers going their separate ways." Sounds a bit like today... The PGA tour categorized itself as a non profit so it could avoid hundreds of millions in tax revenue. That decision is now haunting them since it also means they can't hand out guaranteed money contracts like other professional sports.The LIV tour is doing exactly that so it's not surprising top level golfers want guaranteed money. If someone loses their PGA tour card they're gone with very little support. I don't see how you can treat people as independent contractors and then complain when they go elsewhere.

[@FloridaManRacer]

Yeah, well the PGA Tour wasn't started by a murderous regime that was also complicit in flying two planes full of innocent people into towers full of innocent people... So none of that crap actually matters.

[@CarnivoreDMD]

That's a great comment!

[@greghobson4161]

Agree 👍

[@stephennixon15393]

Obviously Jay Monahan doesn’t know his tour history 👀

[@thatguymark8381]

To me this feels like the attempt to create the European Super League - raid the best players (clubs) from an already established system to create an elite league. Instead what's happened is basically two categories of players jumped to LIV 1) past their prime, very unlikely to win on the Tour, but not old enough for Champions League (think 35 to 49 year olds) and 2) complainers and dissenters on the Tour (Mickelson, DeChambeau, and Reed).

[@raymondmassie4898]

Forget about the golf, what about the Walk150!!! That’s an amazing challenge and bravo Rick for taking it on for such a wonderful cause. Looking forward to monitoring your progress and keeping fingers crossed for a huge turn out on Sunday. Please donate and support Rick on this exceptional effort

[@kevinmontgomery1054]

I started watching you as just a golf coach to improve my game. You became a distraction to while away the time. You morphed into and through entertainment, news and opinion. During Break 75 you became the friend I cheered on. A new facet of our relationshiop started evolving during the Covid lockdown as you talked about mental health, did some charity work, etc. Respect. I wish I were in Scotland to cheer you on for the prostate cancer walk. Go for it, my friend.

[@emilforsells7981]

Feel like no one mentions Martin Kaymer when going through the list of successful golfers in the LIV lineup. 2 time major champ, players champ and former world number one. Barely talked about for some reason (I know he has had a tough time the last couple of years but still).

[@georgesj9536]

It's such bullsh*t that the golfers get judged.. They're all sponsored by Nike, Adidas etc as produce clothing in terrible circumstances in Asia. Most of us drive cars run by arab oil. Its just stupid politics, and different standards which we don't need in our sport.

[@overpar9878]

That's easy to say sitting in a democracy.. try criticising the Saudi regime over there, or being gay, or being a woman...

[@foxual13]

Yep and sky sports going in on the players about morals but they will still be showing Man City and Newcastle games next season after chucking both clubs loads of money to do so. Staggering

[@kylemitchell9397]

we used to not need arib oil.. you can thank biden for that.

[@harrymartin3072]

@@foxual13 so true haven’t seen anywhere near the outrage for their involvement in other sports

[@reesbritton6623]

@@kylemitchell9397 that is categorically not true in multiple ways… get a clue!

[@jonnybgood9162]

I love it it’s free no ads and you don’t just see Rory and tiger even if they are not even in the top 10 like other channels does

[@SJKLR99]

Exactly,tiger warming up or walking over to warm up rory in the rough walking 60 yards to look at the green just amazing tv cbs

[@jonnybgood9162]

@@SJKLR99 the uk channels does exactly the same they are obsessed with rory and tiger .

[@jerryharlin9896]

The broadcast of LIV golf was far superior to broadcast of PGA events. No more pharmacy commercials, no auto ads. That alone is enough for me to watch.

[@JHOLE21]

I would love to see the team aspect of it and it become like F1 in a way. It’s something different and interesting and maybe they could have Ryder cup type things as well that could be their “majors” or something like that.

[@ryanrichardson9915]

We just got back from London. Once the people found out we were Americans, we were treated terribly. Me, my wife, and my two teenage daughters (all golfers). We were actually refused service in a couple of places. We went to a cool little place to order some fish and chips, she told us the kitchen was closed and they weren't taking orders, then we watched the girl take 4 more orders after us. I said, "hey, I thought the kitchen was closed? I told my daughter that England was the home of Fish and Chips, she loves it, so she couldn't wait." She said, "kitchen is closed...for you". I was like wow. The people in Liverpool were pretty cool though. What a beautiful country. Hopefully your trip to New York was better.

[@Groz18511]

I liked it! I'm a golf fan, not a PGA fan. It's nice to see something different to the boring PGA coverage on boring golf courses that only show US players unless an "international" is leading

[@3rdgroove]

Yep, that's the difference between a US and a Saudi run tour.

[@corylee091]

I personally watch your channel because you are very Transparent about your golf game. You are personable, and funny. We want to see your best rounds, worst rounds, and everything in between. Much respect for the 150 mile walk for charity. You truly are a legend! Cheers!

[@AR_Sands]

I love that the blinders are on when looking at Nike

[@FloridaManRacer]

Never bought a single Nike product, never will...

[@BeingAndRhyme744]

What has Nike done that rivals a genocide in Yemen?

[@jefflarsen3821]

I think the understated part of Liv streaming on KZbin for free is that they didn’t have any other options… there were no tv contracts for them to be elsewhere. I still think it’s great that it was free but don’t think it’ll stay that way.

[@jpfau24]

I agree it’s a little strange but that is mostly because of all the exclusivity deals PGA has snatched up

[@Chris_UES]

It was on DAZN in the US

[@finalfrontier001]

Theg got DAZN and sky sports now.

[@PIP-zf9yb]

they have options. streaming is taking over anyway. it's got crazy momentum after how well the first event. great for golf

[@southerncaladygolfer8651]

I tried to watch on KZbin and I got asked for my CC number….not happening. I am a subscriber to KZbin but not paying more to see this tour.

[@wkndwarrior4733]

Rick, they knew the ramifications before playing. The PGA was clear. The letter was just the actual action of suspension

[@vacuumboots69]

100%

[@surindersingh724]

Yeah, but the point is the PGA are acting like a bunch of babies. So what if golfers decide to play in other tournaments? They are grown men, not kids. The PGA need to grow up.

[@jonny1872]

@@surindersingh724 Exactly right. The reason the PGA give them a massive pension is to try to keep them under the thumb, amongs other things. Imagine needing a massive pension when you are a pro golfer!!!! The PGA is stale, god knows if Liv will change that but damn it's worth a try.

[@krisjohansen9132]

@@surindersingh724 if LIV had stayed out of the US it wouldn't have been a problem and they knew that before hand.

[@surindersingh724]

@@krisjohansen9132 What has that got to do with anything? The PGA don't have a monopoly on which golfing organisations can play in the US. The USA as a country make trillions from plying various trades in countries all over the world. US golfers play regularly on European and Asian Tours. So what if LIV wants to organise tournaments in the US? Afterall, "it's a free country" right? The PGA need to wake up and accept that their piece of the pie is about to get a little smaller and that they aren't the overlords of golf.

[@casario2808]

It is hard to really believe LIV had things "stacked against it" when they have an endless flow of money to throw at the thing. Would be really hard to fail with all those billions. Not impossible maybe, but really hard.

[@DanielSong39]

Exactly, this is how we see "miraculous" stories with all these tech companies. It's a lot easier with the Fed throwing trillions at them

[@3rdgroove]

It's not an endless flow. After a few years the want to see a return on the investment.

[@pelster944]

I listen to so many podcasts, and Guy is by far the best co-host of any of them. Always adds value and never distracts/annoys. He is always a breath of fresh air in the era of obnoxious co-hosts. So much so that I'm sad when he is gone and they have a guest replacement!

[@golfeus]

Completely agree 👍

[@Sam-tx1tn]

Get off the comments guy😉

[@Gays4Trump]

Guy, is this your grandmother commenting?

[@benjaminblakemore9704]

UNCLE GOOGLE SAYS... THE ESTIMATED WEALTH OF THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY IS... 1.4 TRILLION DOLLERS!!! SO NO I DONT THINK TWO BILLY TOUCHES THE SIDES HAHAHA. GREAT VIDEO BOYS 🙂☺️😎👍👌💪🔥🔥 KIND REGARDS BEN FROM NZ

[@joelcopeland3018]

Kodos sir for the walk. I wish you the best and will say a prayer for you each morning. Stay safe and hydrated. YOU ARE THE MAN. God Bless. The PGA tour wants to keep their monopoly, period. They are cutting their nose off to spite their face. They don't own the players. Let them play where they want to play. Golf is Golf. This opens up more opportunity to the golfing world. The more the PGA screams about it the more they drive curious people to go and see what it is about. The Pro golfers play for the money so why not go where you can make the most money?

[@biszal7581]

Wouldn't have even heard off it if commentators and pga weren't slamming it

[@johnking5006]

Mainly because the Saudi show is not a competitive business it does not and will not ever make money

[@davidmiddlemast9030]

G'day Rick, totally respect your opinion and appreciate everything you've done for golf and the people in which all of your work extends too ($100k to charity? Absolutely unreal!). But c'mon man. This LIV thing is about so much more than just the tournament. It's all about the money. You danced around the sports washing claims but at the end of the day you are just sitting on the fence. Your voice and reach is huge. I'd love to see you take some time, do some research (No Laying Up and The Fried Egg has some great pods on this) and then come back to us with where you stand.

[@jeffmckinnon5842]

The fence is a legitimate place to be right now. If Canada had started this new league, would it have been received any better by Jay M. or the PGA in general? No. He would still find ugly controversy to spill all over the media, for the benefit of his PGA monopoly. It's just throwing rocks. Any rocks he can find, to protect against threats to his interests. Rick Shields personal, or political beliefs are not on trial here. This is his opinion and I am glad that took all of that media generated hate, and set it aside for the sake of a meaningful conversation about golf and it's players and it's future.

[@petegalindez9961]

I agree with 99% of what you guys are putting out…I was hoping LIV would really shake things up a bit…54 holes is not new despite some PGA Tour pundits saying it’s stupid (Champions Tour), or having no cuts (hmm…WGC events)…I want to see more like an F1 atmosphere, or like an all star game week…have a day of skills competitions…long drive, chip and putt, team competitions that earn you some privileges on the course like they did with that Golf Channel show some years ago…loud music, crazy uniforms for the teams…some Ryder Cup style stuff like 4 ball, or alternate shot, instead of 3 rounds of stroke play…if they really want to grow the game, they need to showcase the fun aspects of golf…the shotgun start is good, but not crazy. Add a shot clock to showcase golf is fun and you can play it in a reasonable amount of time…Lastly, the 1% where I disagree with you guys…the PGA Tour is the one making the source of the money a big issue, trying to create a moral aspect to selecting LIV over the PGA Tour…No one attacked Jack Nicklaus last week at the Memorial about him taking money from the same Saudi group (his words) to build a signature golf course in Saudi Arabia…yet, he’s a starter at the Masters, host of a PGA event, etc…without any issue…so, not buying it. The PGA issue is two-fold…losing current players (so they use the allegiance card and cut them off from competing), but the bigger issue will be the new guys who are in college or other non-PGA tour competitions. They have no allegiance to the PGA or anyone else…so, the PGA Tour is trying to play the morality card with the source of the money argument…

[@ronswansonsalterego8533]

I watched a good bit of the LIV. Quite liked the shotgun start and that the whole round was over in less than 5 hours.

[@TreyWK]

I thought it was horrible. If they ever got over 100 golfers how would that shot gun start work?????

[@ronswansonsalterego8533]

@@TreyWK Well, theoretically you could play 4 ball and have 72 in each wave with a morning and afternoon wave and handle up to 144. If you wanted to only use 16 holes (to reduce backups) this would be you could handle a field of 128, which would make the coding geeks feel good. You'd still get both waves done in around 5 hours each. Now the first group routinely tee of before 7 and the last group finished after 6pm.

[@TreyWK]

@@ronswansonsalterego8533 There's a tradition it goes back hundreds of years we'll just keep it that way while live golf can try to reinvent the wheel.

[@squareman10]

Best comment in this podcast has to be how Linn Grant's enormous accomplishment was overshadowed by a crazy golf news week and this sham of a tour.

[@markh6301]

Mixed DP (Euro) Tour tournament in Sweden, brilliant, great way to elevate the women’s game, great win by Linn, let’s do 5-10 weeks a year

[@joshpelham8745]

I absolutely loved it. The PGA tour is sounding like a bunch of NFL owners. if you know you know

[@kevinregan3224]

Rick, I think it can all live together. There will be an anti-trust case in the US and those "banned" players will be given a stay and be able to play while the case makes its way through the court system. I think DP sees the writing on the wall and will not ban players.

[@stevenwitcher8087]

Eh, probably won’t shake out like you think. NFL players can’t play in the XFL. At worst, the PGA will just be forced to contract players.

[@kevinregan3224]

@@stevenwitcher8087 The PGA Tour is set up as a non-profit with players as independent contractors. They'd have to change their entire structure.

[@stevenwitcher8087]

@@kevinregan3224 they’d have to count players as employees. That’s about it. The nonprofit status doesn’t really factor in to my knowledge.

[@kevinregan3224]

@@stevenwitcher8087 I've done a bit of research on what folks are saying in terms of anti-trust here. It looks like the players will have a case. We'll have to see. ;)

[@pjpredhomme7699]

@@stevenwitcher8087 non profit has nothing to do with the players - it has to do with the charitable beneficiaries in every location they have a tournament . In case you did not notice -each tournament has a host sponsor - ( some corporation) - they fund the tournament - and part of that goes to prize money - and they have a charity that they team with as a beneficiary - the non-profit - is the tour administers these events - that is all they do - butt the non profit part is exactly it - it is an entity owned by its members - run by a board made up of members and a few selected sponsor representatives. they set the rules /policies the staff carry that out . It is funny how i hear everyone say - well Rory McIlroy is all for the PGA tour - NO SHIT he is on the board of directors - he knows where all revenue comes from and where it goes.

[@robmurray6676]

I recorded the Scandinavian mixed and watched ‘as live’ later. In the final 9 holes I noticed that a few of Linn Grant’s second shots were really close to the green so I was curious to see what the course length was for the ladies. I couldn’t find any mention of it so I replayed her full round and wrote down the distances for each hole. This is the results: Hole 1 - Par 4. Men 434 - women 357 Hole 2 - Par 5. Men 551 - women 478 Hole 3 - par 4. Men 387 - women 340 Hole 4 - par 3. Men 195 - women 167 Hole 5 - par 5. Men 599 - women 503 Hole 6 - par 4. Men 358 - women 323 Hole 7 - Par 3. Men 212 - women 155 Hole 8 - Par 4. Men 427 - women 377 Hole 9 - Par 4. Men 466 - women 400 Hole 10 - Par 4. Men 394 - women 343 Hole 11 - Par 5. Men 530 - women 433 Hole 12 - par 4. Men 444 - women 333 Hole 13 - par 3. Men 176 - women 142 Hole 14 - par 5. Men 569 - women 505 Hole 15 - par 4. Men 331 - women 274 Hole 16 - par 3. Men 179 - women 160 Hole 17 - par 4. Men 353 - women 308 Hole 18 - Par 4. Men 395 - women 313 Front nine - Men 3,629. Women 3,100 Back nine - Men 3,371. Women 2,811 Total - Men 7,000. Women 5,911 This was just for the final round so whether the ladies tees were longer in earlier rounds - ie 6,400 as Rick refers to I do not know. Now don’t get me wrong I really wanted Linn Grant to win and she was pretty amazing under pressure. But the ladies were playing for the same purse and I am not sure if I was one of the male professionals that I would be entirely happy that the ladies course was so short. I do agree that there needs to be some compensation for ladies in these events but over 1,000 yards difference for 18 holes seems a lot to me. On the other hand the top of the leaderboard was not packed with ladies so if only 2 ladies finished in the top 20, it can’t have been that easy for them!

[@ronswansonsalterego8533]

Thanks for the effort in doing that. That almost looks like they tried to have both men and women hitting the same iron into the green. e.g. That is now a relatively short par 4 for the guys. It could be drive - PW or 3W - 9I and same for the ladies. The 7th and 12th look the most egregious. Maybe they didn't have better teeing areas to use.

[@_warren6659]

The shotgun start will prove to be huge for LIV golf. The average fan can’t sit and watch a tournament for six hours or more in a day. Even if it’s a major and they really want to! Life often steps in, as it tends to do, and we’re pulled away to do something else. That being said, if a tournament round on the LIV tour only takes as long as a football game, most of us are able to tune in to the full program, and become more invested as a result. I personally love what LIV golf is doing. I think it’s good for the game. I think it will ultimately force the pga to make some changes that will make life better for their golfers too. That’s just my perspective. Cheers friends 🍻 and may your next round be your best round ⛳️ 🏌️‍♂️

[@grahamclayton675]

LIV golf is like WWF everything is stage managed. I suspect that even the result can be manipulated. Where money is , corruption is no far behind!! I bet DJ wins the next event !!

[@sib5750]

Big Rick, love the podcast mate. With Liv golfs prize of $54mil to score a round of 54, how about you grab nine (or any number you choose) good golfers and yourself and play an ambrose/best ball and give it a shot! Any golf course you pick(no mini-golf or pitch and putt).

[@javiersalas7670]

LIV announcers tried SO HARD to make it seem like the greatest tournament ever...when in all actuality the PGA Canadian tournament blew it away.....

[@gweave17]

"Too much golf to watch this weekend"...man oh man what a problem to have. LOL Thumbs up Guy and Rick!

[@haydenshaq05]

I went on Friday and Saturday. Sat was at least 3x busier than the previous day….. atmosphere was decent with a lot of things to do for the kids….. activities which were all free when usually a couple pounds unnecessarily. Overall I would definitely go to another LivGolf event! Certainly when I got Dustin Johnson’s signature 😁😆

[@theelmagoo]

The one thing I think that is detrimental in all of this is the PGA Tour has turned this into an Us vs Them situation when there's no need for it. This has made the majority of the golfing press take sides, as well as a bunch of the players! There's no reason these tours can't co-exist, and there's no reason that players shouldn't be able to play events in both. The PGA Tour already has requirements to remain on it, as long as a player fulfills those requirements, why can't they play any other events that they want?

[@vetteguy1647]

The more the PGA players and the Golf Channel degrade the LIV, the more I hope it’s a tremendous success.

[@MPaulCezanne]

Wow couldn’t care less that it’s backed by a guy who’s no better than Putin eh?

[@brian______]

I wouldn't have watched if not for the free advertising. Then after seeing be pretty good, I watched it over the RBC. PGA might want to rethink their all out attack before they convince everyone to watch LIV.

[@KonQ242]

Now Bryson too, its gonna be interesting. I'm all for this

[@zmannsportscards]

I enjoyed it! Was fast paced, got to see more than a few golfers, like the interactive scoreboard. Overall....not bad at all. Brings something fresh to the game.

[@adriancox-thesantjordigolf3646]

It reminded me of the old Johnny Walker event in Barcelona when they had 12 professionals including Peter Jacobso , Seve, Gary player, Tom Watson Jack Nicklaus and we walked round the last round on the fairways with and chatting to Arnold Palmer.

[@devzer645]

Great Podcast Guys, I would love to hear your opinion on this. Do you think major sponsors like Titleist or Callaway could not renew deals with players who opt to play Liv Golf?

[@thomastrain7311]

Why would they even want to? Jay Monahan is not going to be the commissioner of the pga tour much longer and this whole feud is between his monarchy/monopoly and liv golf. So far the media has been on his side but that will change. And once it does the pga tour will suffer to some degree. Let them play.

[@scottmccaig6185]

would be more interesting to make it even more like F1 with teams that only use 1 club manufacturers products: Team Cobra, Titleist, TaylorMade etc

[@stanthomas9890]

When you're paid before you start..........it's an exhibition! With players finishing on different holes, it doesn't feel like a Championship event.

[@JLew365]

NFL,NBA, NHL, and MLB all get paid even if they sit on the bench the whole game. Paying last place 6 figures is just like paying a backup QB millions to hold a clipboard.

[@dondunn7]

Agreed. Have to ask whether these players would've jumped ship if not for the massive appearance fees

[@cobra7282]

@@JLew365 Exactly and those aren't considered exhibitions. Also your lower ranked players making money no matter what means that they can continue to dedicate their free time to actually working on their game and improving as opposed to maybe having to get a part time or full time job to pay the bills. As to his point about finishing 20+ shots behind the leader. What if the leader has a dominant 3 rounds and finishes like -20, should everyone that shot over par make nothing?

[@gmd2222]

Good job boys, I think you covered this topic in a fair and respectful way and I agree with the multiple perspectives you point out.

[@EagleLost]

The PGA Commissioner said it best, " Has any PGA tour member had to apologize for playing on the PGA tour"?

[@outtaurmind8554]

Why was the Saudi Invitational a PGA sanctioned event until 2021? Its hypocritical in my opinion how everyine ia all about the Saudis and their terrible right BS

[@old_dog9953]

yeah? How about PGA's support of China. Apologies needed far beyond Saudi

[@dentbiztraining]

The PGA and the media created the hysteria that led to the apologies.

[@springinfialta106]

Things that are not mentioned: 1) All golfers got to play with the same weather unlike some tournaments where the weather changes massively between morning and afternoon. 2) Not a lot of time wasted waiting for golfers to choose an iron or eye a putt. 3) No time wasted establishing some sort of narrative behind particular players. This can be good for the majors, but really is over-the-top for regular events.

[@michaelbateson8636]

The weather aspect is a great shout. I didn't think about that.

[@WilliamDunn1]

The anti LIV arguments are pretty contradicting and hypocritical: - LIV is not a "proper field" of "subpar players", yet we're so bothered they're not playing in the PGA? - LIV players taking money from Saudi is so bad since Saudis are horrible, but it's OK to buy the Saudi gas for the rich PGA players' luxury cars & the course maintenance equipment. - It's also totally fine to buy all the golf club heads, golfing equipment and broadcasting electronics and smartphones from China, though China does all the things we complain about Saudis doing. Every PGA player uses and accepts sponsorship from Chinese made equipment and clothing - Jack Nicholas designs golf courses for Saudi Arabia, yet he is the all time hero of the game while the LIV players are unethical I'm not any more a fan of what Saudis have done than anyone else, but I'm not in a position to judge people for doing business with them

[@FloridaManRacer]

Our fuel supply is dictated by the moron in the white house who made sure to make us dependent on foreign energy supplies instead of becoming energy independent by reopening refineries and drilling... So if you want to bitch and moan about where PGA players buy their gas, call the fucking president. However, those players had the free choice to stay or capitulate to a murderous regime and they chose to sell their souls for the almighty dollar. That's SOLELY on them.

[@brainboyrut]

Indeed, i started watching golf in the early 90's on BBC, It changed my life

[@SkillBill37]

Ricky do you think your views would be different if your pals Lee Poults and Sam were not involved? as previously you were not interested in LIV Golf . I agree with you that its confusing to watch on TV but it must be worse to watch live as you could miss the winning putt if its close and one is on hole 5 and the next player who is tied is on whole 15

[@VanishingTime]

The event was fine (I was there on Sat), but I think it really lacked quality on the course especially given the amazing Canadian Open. Also, I don't think anyone cared about who won, it lacked competition.

[@si777]

Yeah competition is the major thing for sport at least for me. When there is nothing really on the line then what's the point. It's the same thing when the teams tried to create their own super league, Sure it's having good teams face good teams all the time but over time it will get boring and when you have no promotion or relegation basically a gate kept league then what's the point. I do however think the tours should support more financially though, See it all the time up and coming and even veterans of the game are struggling so hard to make ends meet and must play on peoples minds all the time. This is where you might see more people go over to LIV golf. To put in perspective Ian Poulter made around 1.5mil last year or the year before. He would of had to play semi decent to do this making cuts etc etc. Now all he has to do is to turn up to 8 events and come last and make 960k.

[@mercharris5266]

Rose scored a 60. JT and Rory scored 62 and 64 respectively. How hard can the course be?

[@si777]

@@mercharris5266 That was mainly due to a change of wind direction if I remember rightly that happened on Saturday and Sunday. If you look at the weekend scores vs Thursday and Friday I assume there will be a contrast.

[@markrolofs8866]

I agree, it does depend on the fan, when Bryson won the US open, it was just him and Wolff for have the final round, but to see the players play a course that is just brutal I think is fun for me. More of like players verse the course. With the RBC open the course was so easy it's not as interesting for me. Considering the Liv golf had a real test of golf did seem better.

[@stuartlee4564]

DP World tour was in Saudi last year, they have also been in China (and PGA) so they cant bring up Human Rights issues when the other main tours have been in these countries.

[@robertrenekerjr6819]

You are a good man Rick Shiels. A bit crazy walking across Scotland, but for a good reason. Good luck and good weather.

[@claytonpetree527]

Enjoy the walk. It seems pretty dangerous on some of those country roads so watch out and don't get hit. Much respect for your effort and enjoy St. Andrews. I can't wait to go back!!!!!

[@tunafishboi4236]

I loved watching you and Guy playing together for break 75! I feel the chemistry was very casual and not so much a competition but 2 friends playing golf. More of that! As for this episode, i appreciate that you took the time to watch LIV and come up with pros and cons as opposed to all the negative press which is getting overwhelming to be honest.

[@DanielSong39]

@@emilrefseth769 The tournament did not resemble an exhibition Those are tournaments like QBE Shootout or Father-Son event where everyone is relaxed and they're making birdies every other hole If you weren't on your top of your game you got crushed

[@DanielSong39]

@@emilrefseth769 I think you'll see trade teams, 8 man rosters (only 4 play in any given week), players getting cut and traded, etc. The team aspect will evolve and change and I think this is how it changes

[@DanielSong39]

@@emilrefseth769 Well this is my best guess in how things will unfold The other option is to have like 80 players in the pool and we get to see which 48 players get drafted (qualifiers have automatic spots and must be drafted). Draft Day would be high stakes drama and a reality TV show in itself Team Captains would be the top 12 qualifiers so they can differ from week to week

[@DanielSong39]

@@emilrefseth769 Well I'm making my best guesses on how the team concept will evolve. I could be dead wrong Whether the players like it or not, well I have no opinion on that As for whether fans will like that, unfortunately I do not have a crystal ball

[@paulc4601]

It was an exhibition event. Will take a long time to build up the quality and calibre of the established tours. I

[@DoperThenMost]

I was at The RBC Canadian Open this weekend and it was absolutely awesome !!

[@charlesbell4738]

Congratulations Rick on supporting meaningful charities, all the best!

[@jackpohl6140]

Aside from the disgraceful blood money the players are willing to set aside their morals to take.. The event felt like an exhibition. I watched on an off on Facebook (UGH) and absolutely no sense of urgency, no drama, this did not at all feel like a serious pro golf tournament. The PGA event, even though small in scale last weekend (compared to other PGA events) felt real, genuine and far more interesting.

[@jackofsuit]

Honest question about the source of funds: Does any of the PGA's money come from China, Russia, or Emirates/Saudi? What about the DP World Tour (formerly the European Tour) being taken over by an Emirati company--a country famous for being a slave state? Is this just a convenient talking point or is it really a principled stand?

[@RT-wl6tq]

@@jackofsuit you really need to do a basic Google search

[@jackofsuit]

@@RT-wl6tq You think Charles Schwab has these moral qualms? Maybe Amazon is currently boycotting countries with human rights abuses? No, they are getting their money from Russia, China, and the Arabian peninsula too. The fact that they launder the money before it goes to Rory doesn't make it more ethical. It's like everyone woke up yesterday and are shocked to find out that golf is a luxury game that is filled with dirty money.

[@S25-k2p]

@@jackofsuit well said sir. It’s always with the same with Western media, if the big boys feel threatened it gets turned into politics to cause division. How ironic the uk/ USA buy oil and sell weapons to Saudi. When you take a step back, you realise how much the media try to control our opinions. It shouldn’t even be a talking point or a small one at that. I don’t recall the same kick up when Anthony Joshua fought in Saudi not to mention other sporting events, Saudi International, 😳 ⛳️😂🤷🏼‍♂️

[@mvansb23]

You do realize the entire Rick Shiel’s business is funded by the same folks who are funding LIV. Why is Rick so ashamed? Why won’t he just disclose his own relationship with the Saudis. It’s disgusting to hide it and offer views about LIV without letting people know you are clearly biased.

[@macheesmo3]

One thing to consider, the World Series in baseball was considered an unimportant exhibition for many years. You can't expect a new upstart to ha e heritage. It has to make it.

[@ProAmGolf]

The liv golf events look like fun especially for the kids! Great entertainment value and for me, it's good for the game

[@carpchaser698]

My son loved the fanzone, it was great fun

[@ProAmGolf]

@@carpchaser698 there you have it👍 great to know!!

[@whogg0521]

What a great show and great discussions.

[@ralphlombardo2390]

Rick, when you say that if the product is good over time "People would overlook" the atrocities you are defining "sports washing". We are in a very sad state if you are correct.

[@Aaron-nj4ou]

So true. Especially for someone like Rick who gets paid to talk. The idea that we can overlook a journalist being murdered for something they said because there is enough money being paid shows how far we have fallen.

[@robh316]

Every country in the world has committed atrocities at some point in their history are we to boycott everything? This argument is ridiculous

[@kentalbertawrex]

formula one.

[@wallywinglepop7379]

It’s blatantly sports washing and it’s hilarious that people are buying into it IMO. I understand it’s prevalent across pretty much every sports league which is sad but for it to be this blatant with the LIV I really can’t support it

[@robh316]

@@wallywinglepop7379 what is this sports washing bollocks has I keep saying every country in the world has committed atrocities at some point do we boycott every sports event because of it

[@Marc-hn7ft]

Free to watch golf , I'm in !

[@SgtPepper69]

Thought it seemed like an expedition game with not much competition, Canadian open was much better

[@watson956]

You mean "exhibition", but I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[@ziipscottyboy]

Totally agree. The RBC on Saturday was amazing with JT and Finau shooting amazing rounds. I also watched Stenson play amazing at the Scandivian mixed on Saturday to put himself back into the fight. Along with Linn Grant that was some great golf. Then the conclusion on Sunday to both tournaments was some of the best golf I have watched and it felt important. The 4th oldest Open, the first female to win on the DP Tour! Not some has been sorting their pension out. I watched LIV for a bit on YT. Thought it was terrible. Looked like an ESPORT or something. Their is no substance to it. Just exhibition which is fine at the right time. Not for me thank you.

[@ridhwaanmahomed4609]

i disagree when the stakes are wayy higher the competition is even more may have seemed like an exhibition beacuse of the fans and the access they had to the players but for the players it surely musta been as competitve as a major not in terms of prestige but setting them up for life every putt was worth 100s of thousands

[@Screamm39]

@@ridhwaanmahomed4609 almost every player playing was a multi millionaire before they played. Much money do they need? Also look at some of the scores, Lee Westwood and Sergio garcia +8 and +6

[@scrout]

​@@Screamm39 how much money do you need? decent money is 2x whatever your best year has been, good money is 10x. but I'm suuuure you'd pass.....right?

[@natpaul81]

You guys are right about PGA Tour coverage being boring. Most coverage on the mainstream networks has become unwatchable. You'll watch for 15 minutes and see about 5 golf shots.

[@gmuzz]

No issue with LIV golf (actually think it's a good thing for the game) but I wish Rick would disclose his links to Liv Golf LTD through Performance 54.

[@MusicMatters95]

Totally agree.

[@MusicMatters95]

I also commented on this, but my comment has been deleted. I didn't realise Rick is censoring comments on this.

[@wallywinglepop7379]

Performance 54 is doing the PR for LIV correct? I’m assuming its owned by the Saudi government

[@gmuzz]

@@MusicMatters95 for the record I don't mind if he is connected to them. I just wish he was a bit more transparent about it.

[@MusicMatters95]

@@gmuzz exactly my thoughts. He should just be transparent.

[@gleamac]

Is it Liv or LIV - 54 to reflect the 54 hole format?

[@catman1050]

LIV was a refreshing break from the Tiger Woods show. Watching PGA on TV has gotten to be more about Tiger than the actual golf. Announcers at every opportunity talk about him while the golf is just an extra.

[@stanthomas9890]

Tiger Woods show? He played no events last year and twice this year. I HATE how they focus on only him when he plays..............but he seldom plays, The PGA Tour is full of talent, Tiger doesn't play in PGA Tour events, only the majors.

[@MusicMatters95]

I can't agree with this comment. Tiger has only played in The Masters and the USPGA this year. Do you even watch golf on TV?

[@catman1050]

@@MusicMatters95 You have just made my point. Although Tiger has played very little, he has been a constant topic discussed by the broadcasters. Even when it looked like he would never play again, he was always the center of attention. It was non-stop Tiger hour on the gold channel.

[@MusicMatters95]

@@catman1050 I watched a lot of the coverage of the Canadian Open this last weekend and don't remember hearing Tiger mentioned once.

[@catman1050]

@@stanthomas9890 Exactly, nothing last year and 2x this year. Before he and Charlie played, announcers/broadcasters spent a lot of their time speculating on whether he would play again. After Tiger and Charlie played, it was non-stop speculation on when he would play again. I just got tired of it.

[@hobysprouse7111]

Guy, Rick, hey guys. I like what Liv golf has caused or started. Competition for the PGA tour. The PGA tour has been printing money for a long time. Now the players are gonna find out how much power they have, and should have. I'm 57, american, play golf, love golf, but i do not watch golf. Majors only for me, so i don't care about world rankings, don't care about Fed-ex points, etc. Liv golf for me, is upsetting the right people, and i love that. Hopefully it gets better with more players coming over. I'm a player fan, so i really like guys like Bryson, Phil, Daly, Homa, list goes on. I like characters, guys with personality, guys that will get pissed off sometimes. Hopefully more interesting guys join Liv. Glad to see Pat Perez joining, hopefully he has finished his plate of crow by now. How about this. Let the guys on Liv drink beer, play music, use illegal balls and equipment, use carts, wear shorts? etc. PGA=boring. Liv Golf=has potential to be awesome.

[@sofiabrandefors5783]

I really love your show, but this was a low point. It is all good and well to talk about LIV, since it is so controversial. But Linn Grant beat the guys on DP World Tour with 9 shots. Worth mentioning?

[@johnnewell3530]

Did you watch the whole thing, Linn’s win got more than a mention

[@thegreatwebstar]

4000 less yards,,, also worth mentioning

[@trevormason3825]

Maybe you should watch the whole episode before opening your keyboard

[@thegreatwebstar]

@@trevormason3825 stopped watching directly after responding to 🗑

[@richardowen7729]

Everyone is overthinking this massively!

[@vaughnselvey2658]

If Putin offered a golf tournament with even larger prize money, would you watch it? Would you be able to sympathize with those playing? How much are we willing to overlook before it compromises our own morality? You keep saying "where the money comes from aside...." How much can we keep putting aside until we lose our own compass?

[@codybryant8458]

Has it ever stopped people from buying fuel because the vast majority of oil comes from Russia, and Saudi Arabia?? There have been electric car options for years now…. The point is that people always follow the money, whether by earning or saving! These golfers are being criticized for doing what everyone is already doing, just on a smaller scale!

[@kevinregan3224]

Competition is good. Golf will get better if golfers can choose the events the want to play in.

[@eddy4688]

Jim Nantz didn't ask him really tough questions at all, they were prearranged softball questions. You're right about Monahan not giving any real reasons for their tough stance though.

[@deidmoose]

What I don't understand is how scalable this format is. Surely if a shotgun start with 3-balls means a 54 player cap? In terms of the long term sustainability of this, it does have legs because like Rick says, if the biggest players migrate to this breakaway, then it could create a new tour, which isn't that dissimilar to what Jack Nicklaus and Co did back in the day

[@3rdgroove]

They don't want a big new tour. They want the 48 players forming teams to play 14 events. This would allow them to go back to the PGATour for a few big events.: LIV / PGATour = PGATour / European Tour At least that's their plan.

[@Simplycomfortfood]

I believe these discussion regarding the LIV Tour have been pushed towards two points by the media, social media, and the PGA Tour. Crazy amount of money and being in bed with the Saudis. I believe it is about having a "Free Market". Here is what I mean. The guy that owns one of the famous golf shops in the town of St Andrews, finds out tomorrow that the UK government has decided that Decathlon Sporting Stores will be the only store in the UK allowed to sell Golf equipment, clothing and accessories. All other golf shops throughout the UK must close their shops. Also the only automotive company that can sell cars is Tesla. The PGA owns and runs the World of Golf. Do you want to talk insane money. Think about how much money the PGA gets from televison coverage each year. They also controls the players of golf, these independent contactors that do not get health insurance, profit sharing travel expenses, nothing. So of course the PGA is going to fight. Next the Saudis. Next month, President Biden is visiting the Saudis to beg them to produce more oil. The Saudis are America's largest and most important importer/exporter. Let's talk about some small companies that deal heavily with the Saudis. Chase Manhattan Bank, RBC is listed as an underwriter of a 1.2 trillion dollar deal for the Saudis. The RBC is the Dustin Johnson's sponsor who cut ties with him because he decided to play in a LIV Tournament. Ford Motor Company that owns Bentley. Also Marriott Hotels, Hyatt Hotels, and the list goes on and on. You see a small independent golf cannot make money for him and his family but The major World Corporations can. There is something very wrong with all of this. Sorry for the long comments. Love your channels Rick.

[@gdouglass10]

I loved the format & the coverage on YT was great. My only issue was the competition didn't seem to be that high, I fully expect that to change when more PGA players make the move to LIV. I have no issue regarding the source of the money, and as a counter point this spotlight on Saudi may help promote change. Lots of regimes have a "chequered" past including UK & USA and have been allowed to change, only time will tell...

[@Aaron-nj4ou]

Please provide an example of when the US killed a United States citizen journalist because of something they said? I can’t believe how many people pass that off as acceptable.

[@0HollaAtChaBoy0]

@@Aaron-nj4ou it’s not acceptable. I don’t think anyone thinks it is. But if we’re going to boycott LIV then we might as well boycott Nike and any other company that uses child labor.. along with the athletes that are sponsored by them.. because with your logic we should boycott every time an organization/country/company has done/is currently doing something unacceptable.. surely you don’t think child labor is acceptable right?.. “where does it stop?” Is where a lot of people are at with it.. we support corrupt and morally wrong people/organizations all the time and don’t even think about it... Saudi has billions of dollars in Uber, Door Dash, Twitter, Snapchat etc.. but ignorance is bliss I guess.

[@gdouglass10]

@@Aaron-nj4ou I don't believe anything in my previous comment condoned the actions of the Saudi gov or the human rights issues. And the fact that the PGA had no problems letting players play in the Saudi International until 2021 tells you everything. Where was the outrage then??? There was no outrage because it wasn't a threat to the PGA's monopoly. The short memories of Americans tho... CIA assassination attempts, Bay of pigs, Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, Vietnam etc etc etc...

[@stephenfowler5699]

It's a good thing that no one organization has a monopoly on professional golf.

[@redi275]

I thought LIV was great. I look forward to Bryson joining.

[@golfbulldog]

Rick, how about leveraging your subscriber power and setting up a crowd funded fund to support talented tour pros so that they can pursue their goal by playing only ethical events? 10 percent of your 2.2 million subscribers would probably put 2 tour pros through a year of tournaments. #Payitforward

[@r1.454]

I love LIV golf Looking forward to Portland

[@roythomson638]

I enjoyed the LIV golf loved how the shotgun start makes the entire round watchable ,the team and individual dynamic made it more exciting hopefully the PGA Tour can learn from this how boring the traditional golf format can be

[@murphymagic]

If you really think this then 1. you didn't actually watch the golf and 2. You have no clue about golf.

[@roythomson638]

@@murphymagic you sound like a traditionalist I understand

[@murphymagic]

@@roythomson638 You sound like a jealous old girlfriend

[@roythomson638]

@@murphymagic speaking from experience?

[@murphymagic]

@@roythomson638 yeah - ask your mom to stop calling. its over.

[@TjBruce817]

I didn't watch the Saudi Prince's Harem of rich old washed up golfers, i watched the Canadian open and Rory and that field were fantastic to watch.

[@jaykosco9811]

I’m American so I watch golf on CBS their production and commentary felt really good this week at the RBC idk how it works on sky but CBS did a great job

[@swardmusic]

They definitely put in more effort didnt they! You can see the benefits of competition already 👍🏻

[@JP76511]

Rick is the most fair man in golf, not bashing LIV and the players like other media. DP World tour is not going to suspend players like PGA. These LIV players will make DP & Asian tour stronger and it will be True World Tour.

[@davidmcclintock6841]

I think LIV golf is a great thing. PGA tour seems to be upset but they’ve had a monopoly in major golf as far as at the level it is at. I think some competition is good! I do feel that the players who went over should still be able to play in PGA events though.

[@mglegacy012]

That doesn’t make any sense though. Can you say the NHL has a monopoly on hockey just because the best players play there? Or the MLB? Premier League?There’s like 10 other professional tours in the world. LIV golf was created for one reason: money. Any tour player who makes some bogus excuse about how the PGA tour is structured is lying through their teeth

[@MPaulCezanne]

@@mglegacy012 it was created to sportswash the Saudi regime. MBS doesn’t need more money. It’s not like he’s looking to turn a quick profit off some golf events.

[@WilliamDunn1]

@@mglegacy012 NHL and MLB are both considered monopolies. However, they have collective bargaining agreements and unions for the players which along with non profit status makes it OK. The PGA is unlike them because it is a monopoly with no player union, all the players are independent contractors with no negotiation power beyond how much the PGA decides it values them

[@stanthomas9890]

The PGA Tour has never had a monopoly on professional golf, there are many other professional golf tours you can try to qualify for! If you do qualify for the PGA Tour and decide to become a member...........there are rules to follow............just like any other professional tour.

[@davidmcclintock6841]

@@stanthomas9890 What rule says they cannot play in this league? Correct me if I’m wrong but some of the PGA pros play in DP and other leagues. But PGA tour has a monopoly on Major Professional Golf Leagues. There are other pro leagues, but they get nowhere near the coverage of the PGA tour.

[@johngillies9666]

Dear Rick I stay in Glasgow quite near the Calder course I have plated it once and I was not that impressed saying that my nephew is a member of a golf course called Mar Hall in near Renfrew which he takes me it has buggy that I just love also in the draw for the set of cobra golf clubs hope your feet can take the walk from preswick to St. Andrews it for a great cause I would love to join you but I have had two strokes so cannot walk that far all the best and check the weather as you can get four season in one day all the best

[@michaelhutcheson5897]

For me this is simple, if players can fulfil their PGA contracts and their LIV contracts then they have the right to do what they want, without the fear of being suspended as they are not in breach of their contracts. They should only be suspended if they breach their contract. Does anyone know if these players are in breach of their contracts, as I haven’t seen any evidence that they are.

[@WayneCatlin]

They are in breach of the terms and conditions with regards to retaining a PGA tour card.

[@michaelhutcheson5897]

@@WayneCatlin what is? Do you have a copy of it?

[@WayneCatlin]

@@michaelhutcheson5897 I don't have a copy. I don't know if it's something that's obtainable to be honest ... I know PGA professionals are allowed to play any number of co sanctioned events. And they can request up to 3 releases a season for non co sanctioned events. My understanding is that the releases for Centurion were denied because LIV is not an official tour, it isn't recognised by any governing bodies. Hence why there are no ranking points.

[@michaelhutcheson5897]

@@WayneCatlin well if that is in the pga contract then yes if they want to play LIV they should resign from the PGA. I haven’t seen that though, and I heard that isn’t the case, but happy to accept it is until I know otherwise.

[@mikestewart3670]

If for whatever reason you wanted to start or thought there should be a competitive tour to the PGA tour or the DP tour, what way besides money would you be able to convince the best players in the world to play on this new tour? Or personally if they can keep the format such that the golfers enjoy it and the fans can enjoy it similarly to a normal tour, then the challenge is to only get players over to your new tour…

[@krispe2512]

Plalease add chapters or something in descriptions for each section!

[@maynardwaynehughes6914]

Hey Rick, i have one kind of statement/question that has been picking at me thru all of this LIV golf ,PGA back and forth. I've been a fan of golf for a long time thanks to my love of the underdog story and Tiger of course, but have only been playing since summer of 2020. I've played at hundreds of courses now and have met a ton of great people, and everyone ive talked to has said how since Covid the game has grown. ive watched more golf on television and follow numerous channels on youtube,(by the way would love to see you have Good Good play with you in some of their formats and yours in europe of course and maybe in the U.S. later if we're lucky)and on these platforms and in person have some amazing young talent. ive also seen the struggles of guys trying to stay on the tour and others who just want to make a single tour event.I feel like with a world population of as many of us as we are, whatever that number is, is there not enough "good golfers" that deserve to actually make some money?. i understand the importance of playing well during a tournent to earn better, but does that devalue what a person has gone thru to even just get there? to me a 150 man field seems easy to me to fill with people who can play good golf, while inviting and inspiring viewers to watch. i have about thirty people i could think of and there are probably tons more i havent been lucky enough to even know for whatever reason that i would love to see play and get paid for the hard work it took to get there.How many times have you or me or anyone played well one day and other days not so well? it doesnt make these guys on the brink of qualifying or "making it to the money" any less deserving of something so that they can continue the fight for par!!!!i think over the upcoming years we are going to see some really good young golfers that can fill a roster on any league..curios as to your thoughts!!!! big fan i hope to break 75 someday!!!

[@dougkillough]

We need these to be live! A live Q&A would be awesome!

[@3percentmick705]

Having another option for the players is obviously great, however I don’t agree with all them jumping on board with the Saudis. Morally, not real real sure how the American players can do it especially.

[@edekitrex]

Guess we can’t put fuel in our cars or PGA pros can’t fill up their private jets then if you are concerned about morals…or are you just concerned about taking money from them vs products?

[@kevinregan3224]

I loved that St. Andrews video!!! Thanks guys! :)

[@williamreitinger8978]

If the PGA had created and funded this tour no issues but having the Saudis back this is the issue here.

[@WilliamDunn1]

I get the complaints about the Saudis, but can we really complain that people take their money when we give them money for their gas? And when we have all the golf equipment, electronics and all that manufactured in China which is clearly no better than Saudi?

[@williamreitinger8978]

@@WilliamDunn1 all good points so when do we draw the line regarding being self sufficient?

[@WilliamDunn1]

It's hard to make arguments about self sufficiency if we also consider arguments about China relationships. Corporations like TaylorMade and Nike choose to manufacture their products in China despite the same kind of unethical practices, and the profits they make from that relationship directly sponsors and funds the PGA players and tour. Rory for example is sponsored by and promotes both companies, and even drives a gas guzzling Ferrari that uses more gas than any normal person. I'm thinking it's probably not fair to then trash LIV players on such grounds when we hold guys like Rory in such high regard

[@williamreitinger8978]

@@WilliamDunn1 good points well stated bud

[@Will-cd1zn]

Totally agree with the leaderboard being bizarre. It was the first thing I noticed and I had no idea who the players were that were on top of the leaderboard because of the abbreviations.

[@brittbooth7616]

Gonna be a huge audience for "can rick shields break 80 at Bedminster"

[@cameronclark8052]

I won’t lie, this stinks of Rick and Guy trying not to slag off something that may be able to become a great fee earner for the company. See out the initial backlash hope it fades out and then take a pay day (potentially). I like the channel and have no beef with the guys. Just found it very cynical and would have preferred if you are going to talk about both sides of the tournament that they had educated themselves on the Saudi royal family before briefly skirting the ‘human right issues’ If you think a golf tournament / series is making a dent on their pockets your dreaming. It is a way to make us think they are a great bunch of lads who like a kick about and a thwack down at top golf. When really they only let women be educated without the permission of a male guardian in TWENTY SEVENTEEN! It was really disappointing seeing influencers there on the weekend. Who are they not willing to take money off to do #ADs off

[@AdamMetcalfe]

I feel like LIV needs the PGA & DP World tours. These tours give a yardstick to measure a players level, global position and therefore their pull factor. If the players are off those tours long enough people will begin to disregard their then and their level of game . LIV has a cool idea with team competitions but why not just have a handful of Ryder cup style competitions a year for absurd prize money. More hyped and less disruptive for the proven tours. My two cents…

[@andersonlookkin5916]

Congrats Greg Norman. Next step is to create mixed events. Sign Lydia Ko, Brooke Henderson and Celine Boutier and we’re good to go.

[@Damudean]

Agreed, about the franchise thing. It is probably aimed to be like the IPL cricket

[@davidallen6685]

people hated one day cricket when it started, the world has room for all tours and contests

[@timwattrus7886]

T20 was hated by so many old guys. For me a 22 year old. It's by far the best format