Honest Trailers Commentary - Every Tim Burton Movie

[@fandomentertainment]

Which song would you most want to hear Joe Starr croon in his dulcet baritone voice? POOL RULES One: Speak up and join the conversation- we encourage respectful debate. Two: Respect your community- racism, misogyny, homophobia and hate speech aren’t tolerated. Three: Don’t go looking for fights. Four: “Be nice.” - Dalton from Roadhouse

[@GoatPopsicle]

A duet with Danielle, and the theme song from: The Bodyguard

[@friendzone7720]

'Against the ninja' with Spencer

[@jonathanortega753]

Beenie and the Jets

[@raidenxthunder8151]

Any Gwen Stefani song

[@MMMM-pq1cj]

Rien de rien by Edith Piaf

[@chasegeyer3825]

You guys should do Every Quentin Tarantino movie, for when Once upon a time in Hollywood comes out

[@JohnBainbridge0]

Once Upon a Time is Tarantino's 9th movie out of the 10 he plans to make. It would make more sense to just wait a few more years for the last one to come out before doing the Every Tarantino Trailer.

[@randalgraves6979]

Well is Tim Burton gonna keep doing movies? Are they gonna do this again when he retires? 🤔

[@JohnBainbridge0]

Maybe they will, but that's not my point. Point being, Tarantino is almost done. He has set an ending and it's only two movies away. Burton could make two more movies or twenty. He hasn't set an end that we know of.

[@Molson-xg9hs]

“Starring...Reckless Use of Racial Slurs...an old actor you forgot about...Feeeeeeeet.”

[@meloD30]

DEMONITIZED

[@me45116]

That was a surprisingly serious (and interesting) psychological discussion

[@arceuslordofcreation8824]

They had a very interesting intellectual discussion on how many farts to put in Dark Phoenix Live these guys

[@twentyfirstcenturytrollers6773]

This is THE best commentary you guys have done. It’s really cool and interesting to see you guys delve into the mind of Burton. He really is a great artist. Good job, keep it up guys.

[@Randomluck]

I agree. Felt like a discussion that would take place in an excellent film class.

[@tjtaylor9375]

I love that you guys always give props to the off-screen talent that makes Honest Trailers happen. Keep up the good work guys!

[@jvillan94]

Every time there's a new honest trailer, I always get more excited for the commentaries!

[@DSzaks]

I totally get you. It's so interesting to see the thought process behind trailer.

[@castlerock1627]

Jorge I watch the Honest Trailer first but when I want to rewatch it I just watch the commentary. I think I watched the commentaries more than the actual trailer.

[@MrRapChild]

So Dan got all these movies and all of old doctor who? Jesus Christ, stop taking advantage of this man 😂

[@emperorcubone]

2:13 They're worrying about the tease at the end when Dan already slipped what's coming next...

[@jermhoosierfan]

Hinting at Spiderverse?

[@joeokeeffe2083]

@@jermhoosierfan Possibly. I thought I saw somewhere that it came out on blue ray last week.

[@jermhoosierfan]

@@joeokeeffe2083 Spiderverse will be a tough one because it is so good, but it is kinda trippy in parts of it.

[@OddSentinel]

I was about to say the same thing.

[@albertnormal6834]

We knew Spiderverse would be coming, but not necessarily when.

[@eloramaxwell7020]

This got waaaaayyyy deeper than I thought it would.

[@myndlink]

That's what she said.

[@Karonis124]

Honest Trailer: 5:55 Honest Trailer Commentary: 40:29 This is going to be interesting, isn’t it?

[@ArielMayer96]

This commentary and analysis of Burton made me appreciate him and his movies in an entirely different way. Awesome conversation guys.

[@shashankshandilya6034]

very intresting conversation about tim burton. i have always admired him for how he shows the outcast in his films. always feel a connection with that theme. it feels good that other people also understand that

[@StewartFletcher]

This actually made me appreciate and sympathize with Burton a lot more-- a director I've never liked and often disregarded. More of this kind of content please

[@Molson-xg9hs]

Some would call watching 18 Tim Burton movies madness. For Dan Murrell...it’s Schmoedown Research!

[@benabramowitz18]

Since we’re exactly one month away from Avengers: Endgame, can you please make an Honest Trailer for the 1998 Avengers movie?

[@jermhoosierfan]

They did it back in 2012. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3XEm39qaZagkMU You can tell they were still finding their voice with these.

[@jimmyrrpage]

Wrong Avengers. Benjamin wants them to do the 1998 movie The Avengers (which has nothing to do with Marvel or their characters).

[@WildModesty]

@@jimmyrrpage Oh yeah, the one based on the UK television show which starred Diana Rigg who played Lady Olenna in GoT, in the Uma Thurman role.

[@jermhoosierfan]

@@jimmyrrpage Sorry I didn't see the date on there. That was a pretty bad flick right there.

[@jimmyrrpage]

@@WildModesty Yup. Exactly

[@edropsoup]

Thank you Dan, appreciate the effort into watching all these movies. Great trailer guys

[@vetrbjarki]

@22:45 I really appreciate how Dan is able to approach things. Great that he’s able to open up to changing his opinion about his preconceived bias and then talk about it on the show. Kudos!

[@zep909]

I hope Tim Burton listens to you discussing his work, because you're really appreciative and HONEST. You really make it work, comedy + insightful analysis.

[@dailymay302]

I did my first film analytical essay on the direction in Big Fish and the use of colour, lighting, and artistic choices. It is such an emotionally beautiful movie! Love that my love for it is validated because not many in my program have actually seen it and it is well worth the watch

[@colby2763]

I will miss Lon Harris when Spencer J Gilbert comes back. Not that I don't miss Spencer. I have just grown accustomed to Lon as well.

[@goldenlightpictures6223]

Next week probably spiderverse? Love that movie!!;)

[@brianalice]

Dan mentioned Spiderverse when discussing who would watch which movies for Honest Trailers.

[@goldenlightpictures6223]

brianalice oooooooh interesting;)

[@jasonflay8818]

I was thinking that, but the clue could have just been a web of lies!

[@goldenlightpictures6223]

Jason Flay ha ha true and good one 👍;)

[@AntonAdelson]

Are the blurays already out???

[@zevo9314]

love him or hate him, you gotta respect tim burton for just pouring himself into his movies. theres a lot of talented directors, directors who can separate themselves and make great movies, but tim burton throws all of his feelings into it, and shows you exactly who he is and what he's going through with every film. some of them are weird and creepy, you might even say most of them are weird and creepy, but so is burton, and he doesnt care if you know it.

[@Internatube]

Wait the Mayor wasn't the villain of Nightmare. It was Oogie Boogie, big "fat" bag of bugs but equally loathed by society. Nightmare should actually be a subversion, since Jack holds all the patriarchal power as the "Pumpkin KING"

[@leonardocucchiara4782]

Talking about Dark Shadows. If Michelle Pfeiffer is in a movie, I can forgive everything else. I'll never get tired of watching that white gold.

[@nrolofson]

Dan, I agree with you on "Dark Shadows". I liked it.

[@blkbeetle409]

I been waiting for a Tim Burton trailer since I found the Screen Junkie channel Thank you thank you thank you

[@AndresYepez]

"Big Fish" is a true masterpiece that every human should watch... I applaud the love you showed for one of the most underrated movies ever...

[@beckyfinch4011]

it is a very poignant movie. I absolutely love it.

[@Randomluck]

Loved the conversation and break-down. Would definitely watch a series with a similar style.

[@talahar123]

Joe picked up the host baton in Spencer's absence (congrats on the bebe!) like a champ. You're rocking it! And Lon is always fun when he's there, you could invite him more often! :D

[@Clothy22]

This is one of the best commentaries you guys have done.

[@jbearclowater]

Epic Voice Guy had some great reads in this trailer.

[@TheLowBrassDude]

1:40 fun fact, when I was in Undegrad, we did an arrangement of Pink Elephants for Jazz Orchestra!

[@TadBigby]

I love Lon and Danielle on these commentaries. Please continue to have them on when Spencer comes back.

[@basileldho9846]

I havent watched even one of the Tim Burton movies but I watched the honest trailer and is now watching the commentary, because I love Screenjunkies News.

[@fryman58]

Wish it was possible to get Tim Burton reaction to the honest trailer about him.

[@artistwithouttalent]

And now I am left to wonder how these tropes would've popped up in _Superman Lives._

[@hey34]

5:39 "Hands, ha-hands, he likes hands, just hands." - Dan Murrell, 2019

[@LoganBluth]

HEY! The Mayor isn't the villain of Nightmare Before Christmas, he's completely loyal to Jack the entire movie. Ooogie Boogie is the bad guy, the Mayor is just a nice guy with bipolar disorder. How DARE you besmirch the Mayor's good name, Lon?!?!?

[@LegoLad659]

I must be really misremembering Nightmare Before Christmas, because I don't remember anything at all showing that the mayor was the villain

[@edabakb]

I love love love Tim Burton. All his movies, even the weak ones, strangely calm me. They're my feel-good movies. So glad to see you guys didn't just trash his work and actually emphathized with him. Thank you :)

[@kevinpauly6342]

catdog empathized* lol

[@edabakb]

@@kevinpauly6342 sorry I'm not a native speaker, I'm doing my best.

[@kevinpauly6342]

catdog I was just messing with ya lol

[@lcd130]

I luuuuuuuve Tim Burton films so I unashamedly wallowed in this. Pure joy.

[@stevenclark1662]

This was great, but I gotta say, the bad guy in nightmare before Xmas was Oogie Boogie. The mayor WAS 2 faced, but he wasn't bad, and Oogie Boogie was the largest. You were working at the time, I don't hold it against ya. Amazing commentary. Thanks, Guys.

[@_niXie7]

I'm pretty sure it's Into the Spiderverse, but I could be wrong. Have a great time at Wonder-Con!

[@kdragon4046]

Wonderful commentary, gentleman! It felt like a film school chat and I loved every minute of it.

[@princeapoopoo5787]

I remember that one time my English teacher in senior class showed us Sleepy Hollow and then got trouble for it because it was rated R. Man, Mr. Flowers was dope.

[@lafact4]

Remember how every English teacher showed Romeo and Juliet in class, forgetting there were boobs in it?

[@Ladykyra101]

"Well I be dun seen about anything, when I see an elephant fly...." OMG, grew up with this movie. Loved them crows. Loved the ones from the Wiz too, cuz "you can't win..." 🕺🏿🎶🕺🏾

[@megafrost9960]

I loved this Honest Trailer! My favorites are Sleepy Hollow, Edward Scissorhands, Batman and Batman Returns. I like them all though, except Big Fish because I haven't seen it yet. I admire Tim Burton, and his unique style and themes throughout his films are very interesting to watch. Loved the commentary, guys! Now I want Dan to write a book about Tim Burton!

[@loveoffilm4327]

Sleepy hollow is underrated, this made me want to watch that

[@athegreat9970]

Dan is a national treasure

[@GoatPopsicle]

A The Great The 2 Dans, are National *Treasures*

[@josiegrace3228]

International treasures too

[@angelikussnape]

Can we safely say that Dan is just a treasure everywhere?

[@stefers8451]

I love Screen Junkies and live for your honest trailer commentaries

[@simplename80]

watching this video makes me appreciate Big Fish so much more, the movie really takes a new meaning. thank u!

[@Just_Zack]

Sorry, your comment on the Mayor being the bad guy in Nightmare is wrong. The Mayor was just naive and brainless. Oogie Boogie was the bad guy.

[@kevinpauly6342]

Zack Playford still fat

[@saladbarjoe]

Agreed, but Oogie Boogie is also fat, so I guess the point in general still stands.

[@nokaroundgy8674]

Um, the mayor in The Nightmare Before Christmas isn't the villain. That would be Oogie Boogie. The observation that he is two-faced is a cool point that I hadn't thought of before, however.

[@JohnGalTHM]

Travis Olson I was looking for this! Lol. Although Oogie Boogie is pretty well rounded too. He's literally a stuffed cloth sack.

[@Legionbass19]

Travis Olson Oogie Boogie shouldn’t have been in the movie. He was a last-second villain purely because there wasn’t a clear antagonistic force before him.

[@nokaroundgy8674]

DNAlien Absolutely! The themes they mentioned are still in that film (Oogie’s a big guy, too, after all), and the point about the authority figure being a two-faced coward still fits the tropes.

[@nokaroundgy8674]

Casey Miller That may be true, but I was really just pointing out that the mayor, while a two-faced coward, is not the villain of the film as was stated in this conversation. I think Oogie isn’t as fleshed out as he could have been as a villain, but I think he’s still kind of fun.

[@Nro52]

Funny as usual... and a very profound work from Dan! Excellent conversation, guys! Thanks for the show!!

[@dupersuper1938]

The mayor isn't the villain in Nightmare before Xmas...

[@albertnormal6834]

They were talking about the mayor of Frankenweenie.

[@SergioLeRoux]

@@albertnormal6834 No, right after that they say in Nightmare, Jack Skellington, thin as a rail, is the hero, but the Mayor, two faced, he's the villain, and he's huge. 14:47

[@albertnormal6834]

@@SergioLeRoux Ah, yup. Missed that one.🤨

[@Maximillionaire666]

I loved this trailer and this commentary so much. Burton is honestly one of my favourite directors working today even though his movies are a lot more hit and miss than they were in the 80s/90s. As an autistic guy I also can’t help but think he is himself on the spectrum, Edward Scissorhands is the perfect allegory of what it’s like to grow up autistic in a society that feels alienated by you (I wrote my Master’s dissertation on this 😂), and those interviews Dan talked about reveal details about his upbringing that share parallels with a lot of autistic people (including me). He’s probably one of the only proper auteur filmmakers working within the studio system and we should be grateful for that. As much as Planet of the Apes or Alice in Wonderland suck, Burton at his best (Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Sweeney Todd etc.) will always trump any of his failures. Keep giving him money, Hollywood, that’s what I say.

[@howlerbat4040]

so glad you guys didn't go the 'easy way', I was going into that honest trailer half expecting jokes about never-changing cast, hot topic, weird trees and so on but was pleasantly surprised that you actually did your homework and put much more insightful stuff in there. Tim's movies were always very appealing to me because he never takes on a project he has no personal connection to, all of his films are actually pretty personal and all his themes and influences are very transparent to someone who knows where to look

[@ryanellis1708]

I really like Lon's point about how Burton probably just wants to work and getting any kind of budget means taking on a less-than awesome project. It reminds me of a key line in Bull Durham, where Susan Sarandon talks about the romance and beauty and mysticism in baseball, but it's also a job. Well, filmmaking is also a job. Sometimes it isn't about the art. Sometimes it's just about the process and that isn't always inspiring. Also, fully agreed that Big Fish is very moving, especially the ending. Best Burton: I love Batman, but Ed Wood is his "best" movie.

[@simplename80]

This commentary makes me like Big Fish after rewatching it. Just thinking of Tim Burton building this imaginary relationship between an estranged father and his son who doesn’t understand him. Broke my heart.

[@melissabarrera8913]

Well, I do count "Nightmare before Christmas" as his movie since he wrote it, not the movie script but the tail/long poem it is based on. It's a delightful read if you want to check it He also hired most of the people himself

[@UltiMutt]

Fantastic discussion guys! Definitely my favorite you’ve ever done

[@kristianhestas5508]

I wish people talk about Big Eyes more, it’s such a good movie

[@macattack423]

Just watched Beetlejuice for the first time this week, so this is delightfully timely! Great commentary and trailer, as usual

[@sethwoodhouse4797]

This was a fantastic analysis of a director who I have pretty much written off. Great work.

[@thatsmoelikeit]

I love that you guys love Garth Marenghi, even in Ireland and England it is not a well known show. Score (“based on melodies originally whistled by Garth Marenghi”) gets me every time.

[@KDMantz]

Write your book, Dan. We'll buy it!

[@wolfstatus]

“Honest Trailers of ever movie Produced” perfect topic

[@gee_fm]

i would love a behind the scenes on just how those title cards get made. they’re always so spot on.

[@DanielSolis]

Notice how often he'll cast a brunette actress, then dye her hair blonde? Always got creeped by that in particular for some reason.

[@DSzaks]

Write that book Dan, I would buy it.

[@ezepoliyu]

One of the more interesting commentaries, I don't even watch the trailers, I need more commentary on other movies

[@zachpopp6714]

The mayor was not the villain of Nightmare before Xmas. Although the villain was large it was the boogie man.

[@jessefriesen9121]

Dark Shadows is a guilty pleasure for me. It seems a little more self aware of it's own ridiculousness than most recent Burton movies. Also I thought Big Eyes had a lot of interesting moments. But favorite Burton movies? 1) Batman 2) Edward Scissorhands 3) Batman Returns 4) Beetlejuice 5) Ed Wood (haven't seen it in years or it might be higher on the list)

[@bignastykarl]

Jesse Friesen I agree with your list, though not the order. I’d put Ed Wood at #1. You should give it a rewatch. It’s such a great movie.

[@gabriellevalentino7319]

It is also my guilty pleasure. It enjoy it because it's so terrible lol

[@younghan3573]

Art is about obsessions... Tim Burton gets paid for his.

[@wesstapley]

I like Dark Shadows too

[@elkeve2742]

Respect to Dan for watching all those movies.

[@bellewells2099]

Tim Burton movies exercise the heart

[@adamdavis1648]

14:47 - 14:59 I'm sorry to be one of those annoying nitpickers, but for some reason I feel compelled to point out that the mayor isn't the villain can of "The Nightmare Before Christmas". That'd be Oogie Boogie, who is very fat so your point still stands.

[@MrGJohns1987]

At 2:05 Dan literally says they're working on Spiderverse, then the clue to next week's at the end is all the parallels. Hmmm, big mystery!

[@RobynMarieBZ]

Poor Dan literally said what next week's is. Excited for it 😁 and this one was awesome!

[@mayaduncan-pope9507]

We love you Dan. Thank you for your work - and pain

[@ponyfrk]

They should go meta and do a honest trailer of Screen Junkies. Where they go through the different people they have and the things the audience notice that each one of them does a lot. I think it would be cute and funny since they all have such different personalities and each have developed a sort of following.

[@kevinw712]

did they not do something fairly similar to that already a few years ago? (and when a certain major staff member was still there)

[@ponyfrk]

@@kevinw712 I dont remember anything like that but its possible. Thats awkward but they've changed since then anyways so they could always do a new one.

[@kevinw712]

@@ponyfrk okay my bad I only just realized, I think that I was thinking of when Cinema Sins did that for their own channel lol SJ did do the "honest trailer written by a robot" thing, but that was less than a year ago.

[@LaurenTheorist]

That is so funny. I could have sworn that there was an Honest Trailer for Honest Trailers featuring Ryan Reynolds!

[@ButcherofRagol]

Listening to the arguments about Burton's common story elements, the villain segment jumped out at me. As someone who finds psychology fascinating, I wonder who in his life cemented this specific profile for him. A particularly mean teacher maybe? Anyway, a small note, Lon said the Mayor was the villain in Nightmare, but it is in fact Boogie Woogie. Still completely fits the type, and in fact its actually more apt, considering how loud and brazen Boogie is.

[@garyli5970]

Please do an "Every Quentin Tarantino Movie" before July 26 release of his new movie~

[@KienTran]

This is totally a Tim Burton masterclass!

[@kevinw712]

while I can't buy into Lon's and Joe's appreciation overall for Mars Attack as a whole movie, probably my favorite moment is during the Tom Jones concert, the lights go off and come back on, and every band member has been replaced an alien. What makes it perfect is for the first couple seconds, each of the aliens seem to genuinely be into performing and playing their instruments, then do the frozen still and look around when they're caught.

[@sekharraja9679]

Great work , Robert .

[@dr.matthewhertert310]

This one really brought home how much younger than I these guys are - it could have been a 7 second trailer: “Tim Burton; 1st Generation Goth”. Can’t wait for the David Lynch HT!!

[@thomasedwards6641]

I agree with Dan Dark Shadows wasn't that bad.

[@sleepless_in_spb6273]

Pls, anybody, tell Tim Burton about Blumhouse They will just kill it!! Amazing combo

[@kal_ed1175]

They tried to “tease” next weeks not realizing Dan already mentioned it in the beginning.....Spider-Man Into the Spider Verse.

[@hectorrosales174]

I like this one. This one was a wonderful celebration of Tim Burton's. The good movies are really good, I'm willing to forgive, or more accurate, disregard and not see the bad ones.

[@AWSVids]

My favourite movie of his is probably Sleepy Hollow. I think it’s the best use of his visual style at its most hard-edged. I think Johnny Depp is great as Crane, i like the whole creepy small town setting, the action is really good, the horse riding scenes are some of the best ever shot (the speed of Horseman!), the effects are great... the Headless Horseman is legitimately scary, especially when he has Christopher Walken for a head. Lots of great actors in the movie. I think it’s a great take on the classic tale. The mystery and Crane’s investigation unfolds really well. It’s an under-rated movie, IMO, and probably my favourite Halloween movie.

[@PiroMunkie]

Big Fish is definitely my favorite Tim Burton film, and probably just one of my favorite overall films. I think it has so far really marked the apex of Burton's career as I feel it's been pretty downhill from there. The Corpse Bride was fine, Sweeney Todd was fine. But just about everything else hasn't been great. I can understand the argument that studios only wanting to give him the money to make movies based on existing properties is part of it. It's just like studios capitalizing on Burton's style, and it really shows. From what I've heard, Planet of the Apes being the trash pile it was was largely due to bureaucracy as well. They movie we got was not the one they wanted to make.

[@AustinIsTheGreatest]

parallel is probably referencing spider verse and the parallel universes

[@12jswilson]

That and they mentioned early in that someone was assigned to watch it. They gave it away early imo

[@SupervoidCinema]

Tim Burton 84 - 99 is the greatest run of movies ever.

[@limberlad]

I actually really like Sweeney Todd and think it still holds up

[@FixerRC-]

Yeah but it was discovered that Sweeney Todd was real when Tim Burton was making the movie version of the Broadway musical

[@johnblack3204]

This is my ranking of the Tim Burton movies. I haven't seen Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children, Big Eyes, Pee-wee's Big Adventure, and Frankenweenie. 1. Big Fish 2. Batman 3. Beetlejuice 4. Ed Wood 5. Edward Scissorhands 6. Corpse Bride 7. Batman Return 8. Sleepy Hollow 9. Mars Attacks! 10. Sweeny Todd 11. Planet of the Apes 12. Alice in Wonderland 13. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 14. Dark Shadows

[@StewartFletcher]

This may be more of a Cinefix thing, but I'd LOVE a video series of Dan Murrell going through a director's filmography and doing a deep, critical/psychological dive into their patterns, trends, and preferences. That'd be fascinating

[@mathsalot8099]

"The actual truth of it was so much more interesting to me..." And this is why Honest Trailers is great!! The Honest take is the most interesting take.