10 Guns Definitely Not Worth The Money

[@PandaSquared]

10. HK SL8 09. FN 5.7 08. POF Tombstone 07. CZ Custom A01 06. KE Arms WWSD Carbine 05. Sig P210 Carry 04. FN 509 LS Edge 03. Guncrafter Hellcat X2 Commander 02. Henry Homesteader HM: Tommybuilt G36, Gideon Shadow, PS90, Beretta 80X Cheetah, Christensen Arms 1911 01. Angstadt Arms MDP9

[@OOICU812]

Thank you!

[@atomicphilosophy]

Here, you dropped this 👑

[@hikeskool]

Thanks, I hate this clickbait trash. Much easier to read the list and know 83-92 percent of what he’s going to say and just skip the video 👌

[@TomReinke89]

Thank you, saved me the 26 minute long video.

[@brokeandtired]

Any pistol carbine not a 10mm, 5.56mm or .30 M1 Carbine...Otherwise just get the standard pistol.

[@killerkitten7534]

Just stumbled across your channel cause my BF recommended it. I actually work for YSS, and we really appreciate the shout out! It’s really awesome seeing gun KZbinrs helping causes like this, so from the bottom of my heart, thank you! Definitely earned a sub!

[@genewellnapata445]

about TG36, I am one of user…very bad quality control, maybe no quality control at all. 1.Gun body is easy to scatch, after 1st week I bought, I put this gun in the bag with magazine and go to shoot range, after I finished and go back home I found a deep cut in the middle of gun body. That is my first time I realize this gun is not reliable. 2. I bought many parts for this gun, include B&T hand guard and spur AR magazine well. Unfortunately, those part are not much fit on TG36. Spur magwell cause A LOT of feeding problem. and original pin of this gun' quality is disaster! It's easy break, so I have to buy new pin from HK part. B&T hand guard? After I punch it in it works well. 3. TG36's pistol brace. That is another disaster. You CAN NOT believe I just put my TG36C lean against wall and trying to open gunlock, it fall. Then that pistol brace break to 3 pieces immediately! Until now I still feel angry how could I paid $250 (maybe 350?) to get this trash? Are you kidding me Tom Bostic? The other problem: enhanced trigger from HK parts is not fit and I realize even original trigger's material is wrong. Tommy Build "Flat" carry handle's rail you can't put sig red dot on it, and one of screw just gone. And Every parts for TG36, whatever it's from Tommy Build or from HK part, they are overpriced (for example, the screw on HK part is $5.99, one fking "flat" carry handle is $599), and you need wait for a long time for back to stock (that screw I wait for 2 month now). Be honest. if it's not G36 style gun. I willing throw this trash can and burn it off. But it is. So I will use it until the end. But as one of owner, I really suggest anyone who love G36 and trying to buy it, give it up, forget about it. Don't waste your money and love on this junk. You deserve better.

[@genewellnapata445]

Sorry for my bad English. But I just wanna more people to know the truth that's why I post here. Hope my experience can help more people don't waste money.

[@genewellnapata445]

and one of secret I found. So after I bought this gun, I had one idea about getting new M-lok hand guard for my TG36C. So I found it on Tommy Build website. But before I bought it I make more research. Then I found one post from HK part discussion from 2017, there was a guy made 3D print design for G36 m-lok hand guard. and under that post you can see Tom Bostic say "yes". and that is exactly same design I found from his website. Considering with my pistol brace. I really don't want to know what kind of material Tom Bostic used on the gun. It is more than $2650 gun. How could a guy treat so bad to customers who believes him?

[@hfdcjiirjmcfi]

Ames gang

[@kc8767]

Good BF

[@lazybear236]

There is nothing rarer in KZbin than good, honest, intelligent, and concise critical gun reviews. Well done.

[@OpinionFromGenX]

What about a Democrat voter without TDS?

[@stevem4783]

@@OpinionFromGenX we're talking about things that actually exist

[@LamboRambo_]

That's pretty much all his reviews. Good or bad he's pretty honest about all his reviews and tries to hide his biases even with guns or companies he does not like

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

Simp

[@r.f.richardsonjr5691]

Chris' reviews will never steer you wrong. He's honest and neutral not withstanding the source of the firearms he reviews. If the gun is shit, he'll tell it is and you can bet it's shit.

[@donhangani]

"The reality is you can be too heavy, ask Lizzo's backup dancers" is the KZbin comment of the year 😂

[@cpt.gwyndolin8665]

WWSD enjoyer here. No issues, no bolt issues, no cracking, I like the lightness and feel the loss of custom grip/ length of pull is a non issue for the weight savings. I also love the neo retro esque look of the rifle which comes from the old school looking stock with the carbon fiber handguard.

[@TomSalesJr]

Having watched the series on making the wwsd, I understand and agree with the decision to not have adjustable length of pull or interchangeable grips. It saves a lot of weight and 90 something % of people use the standard length of pull. I get that Mrs. Outlaw is of a vastly different frame size to Mr. Outlaw, but the requirement that you have the lightest competition/bug out rifle possible is a niche requirement, just like both 6'4 and 5'1 people on the same gun is also a niche requirement. Turns out they're exclusive. That being said, I didn't buy one. It was too much money.

[@spencerbookman2523]

I bought a stripped KP-15 lower and finished it with an Aero Precision LPK. Some things I like: 1. it's relatively inexpensive (at least at the time I bought it, I haven't checked lately). 2. It feels lighter. t think I can tell the difference, even with the rather conventional upper that's installed currently. 3. It seems durable (although I haven't subjected it to any abuse to test that). 4. It has a generously flared mag well. Some things I don't like: 1. The safety is less like a switch and more like the petcock on an old dirt bike. 2. The pistol grip is much better than an A2, but slightly worse than a Magpul MOE grip (and, of course, you can't change the angle). 3. For a molded plastic part, some areas of the stock should have be more sculpted. The area between the pistol grip and the trigger guard is particularly bad as it is just simply squared-off and not even close to ergonomic. Overall, even though there are things I would change, I'm pleased with my purchase.

[@workingguy-OU812]

I made the mistake of taking my WWSD lower apart to try to change out the trigger. I lost a part of the proprietary safety, and my aftermarket trigger doesn't fit. I really should spend the extra to get the parts I need to put it back together again.

[@grahamburgdorf8397]

It's interesting, Brownells was a dealer for it they cut out a lot of stuff about it because of the drama carl was causing online. Also KE arms always produced it not Brownells.

[@kjellkriminell372]

​@@grahamburgdorf8397i dont feel its right to blame Karl considering it was an incredibly racist and homophobic thread talking shit about him, he had every right and was right to not let that slide.

[@11B_geek_with_gun]

Chris, You may not like doing those videos, but I never skip them. You are doing the community a service. Thank you.

[@KeepTheGates]

8=👊=D

[@sxrry.8206]

Hard agree.

[@MikeScott55]

I always appreciate the “list” vids simply because 1) they’re longer so more info from Mr and Mrs. Honest O and 2) they give the most honest reviews I’ve ever seen online. Long-time fan and rarely go anywhere else for info on new and older firearms.

[@jimmyjameswu6474]

Jeez I still own you bigtime for saving me from buying the MDP-9.

[@danielshiach4585]

Same I was a actually saving up for it until I saw the video, got a ddm4 instead

[@beargillium2369]

Why would you ever ... If there's even a screw on a gun, it should be accessible with a coin of whatever parlance was common time and place. You can literally buy a 3d printer, barrel, etc, and complete multiple functional firearms for the price.b

[@cowboy2267]

Same. Was about to order one when his review dropped

[@Doublezzranch]

For what it's worth, my AK-V has it all. Last round hold open, optics ready, simple cleaning & mags are $15. My only real complaint is the rear sight lol, completely non adjustable.

[@jessesando8582]

Any 9mm PCC (in my mind) needs to be under $1k for its application. The CZ scorpion is my choice, but there's so many AR9's for seriously like a 3rd the price that perform far better. Why anyone would pay that much for a 9mm backpack pdw is beyond me. Spend that on a CMMG in 300.

[@KirkFickert]

Thing with the WWSD is you get the lower and go from there. My build with aero upper, tool craft DLC BCG, Faxon pinned gunner barrel, generic OD green 15” hand guard was $850 with a YHM phantom QD suppressor mount. Add in another $200 for the 3x PA micro prism and total weight with optic no mag was 6lbs 1oz. Would be under 6lbs if I had gone with the pencil barrel.

[@ivankrylov6270]

The faxing gunner barrels absolutely fucks

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

Took me 2 years to find a Faxon 5.56 pencil barrel, but it was worth the wait.

[@Life_Is_Torture0000]

It's a shame about the Tombstone. I really like the idea of a lever action PCC with detachable magazines. But $2k would be ridiculous even if it worked flawlessly, which it doesn't. I'll have to be content with my Rossi 92 in 357 mag. My first lever gun...I never realized just how much fun they are to shoot!

[@chriskelly509]

I think it would be pretty cool in like a pump-action?

[@KeepTheGates]

Maybe try thinking for yourself and checking the gun out if you're interested in it, rather than letting a youtuber form your opinion for you.

[@Life_Is_Torture0000]

@@KeepTheGates I might be interested if it had a reasonable price tag, but $1500-$2000 for that gun is way too high.

[@eee2115]

@@KeepTheGates Pretty much the dumbest thing I have heard in long time. If someone tells you not to stick your hand into a fire, it will burn...do you do it to find out for yourself?

[@RequisiteFunction]

​@KeepTheGates the problem is compounded by the fact that this 9mm doesn't look in any way like it should cost that much. The 92 is used in cowboy action shooting, and they beat the hell out of those things.

[@jacobmcdonald7373]

As a person with little gun knowledge, I find your videos extremely helpful. You’ve helped me boil down many decisions I’ve made, and I thank you for honest advice and feedback

[@vipe650r]

Same.

[@microchrist6122]

Great info here for the average person who likes to buy,sell,trade,shoot often. The new Hickock45 if I dare to say

[@PhilJLF]

Did you buy a S&W after watching his videos?

[@MrMTGPsycho]

​@@PhilJLFso... i was a little miffed he didn't mention the Ruger. The OG cheaper option to the FN.

[@carlschnier4089]

BTW, the Ruger PC carbine is outstanding as a backpacker/bush rifle

[@dillonc7955]

Not to mention an apartment gun. I take it down any time I'm leaving my apartment for the range. People just assume I'm headed to the gym all day lol.

[@samduffy7628]

I’d love your review on the Ruger oc carbine backpacker stock 🫡

[@justanotherinternetexpert7743]

I bought a ruger PC carbine for my son as his first gun when he was 10, and he loves it......he saved his own money and bought a cheaper burris red dot for it, but before he had enough money saved up, he learned to shoot it with the iron sights first. I showed him how to clean it, and now he cleans it himself after a range trip. He is 16 now, and has a couple of other firearms but he always brings the ruger on shooting trips. And actually I like shooting it too.

[@Politicallyhomeless957]

I shoot mine in USPSA and keep up with guys that spend triple or more on their carbines. Ruger PCC is best carbine for the money 💰 IMO

[@emu314159]

Ruger seems to be just full of win. Such a solid company.

[@willfrankunsubscribed]

Brownell's isn't producing the WWSD or taking it in trade, not because of issues with the gun, but because of issues with Karl of InRange. They have served ties with Karl (for various reasons), but their deal with InRange meant they would pay InRange for sales of the WWSD. They don't want to do that, so they have gotten rid of their inventory, and don't want any back.

[@HenryUSA]

We hate to see the Homesteader on this list - and it sounds like most of y'all do too. Our engineering team was eager to get their hands on this particular Homesteader after the first review, and subsequently diagnosed the gun with a malfunctioning latch spring in the Henry magazine-well adapter. We comprehensively test fired the gun internally after replacing the spring, and couldn't replicate these reliability issues. Without having our eyes on the gun after the second review - using a different Glock magazine-well adapter - we can't speak to what was causing continued malfunctions. We recommend the use of OEM Gen 3-5 Glock 17 and 19 magazines, and advise that this rifle be lubed sparingly, but it's unclear what factors led to the unreliable operation in this case. Ultimately, we would have been happy to replace this rifle - we're just as disappointed in the way it performed as all of you are. We've shipped thousands of Homesteaders since their launch, and haven't identified a pattern of malfunctions similar to those you experienced.

[@DamBaker95]

The gun instructors in my local police department in Belgium described the G36C as a strong 6/10 in a world of 9/10's of the same amount of money. The Five Seven is very common in Belgium where FN Herstal is located. Our 5.7's and Scar rifles are everywhere in the military and even local police departments. The 5.7 is in my experience a very good, accurate and reliable handgun but so is the Glock 17 and it's way cheaper for our law enforcement agencies.

[@dantemenech2045]

9mm +p hp very nice

[@Rob-ExMachina]

Videos like this are a huge part of why I love this channel so much, just the straight forward honesty you don't get from a lot of other channels.

[@52BigHitter]

I love my WWSD but I built my own. Only things I changed were the handguards and BCG. Currently use it as my duty rifle and have had no issues with it. Helps on stand-offs having the rifle only be like 6.5 lbs

[@MrTangolizard]

I’m from the U.K. and when u say duty rifle do u mean the rifle u use as a police officer ? And if so are u allowed to use your own rifle ?

[@PantherPlayerCLAW]

​@MrTangolizard yes, every officer has a long arm (rifle/shotgun), I believe this came into play after the North Hollywood Bank Robbery. Some departments let you use your own, but the ones I'm familiar with don't. However, departments can commission local gunsmiths to make really solid rifles for the whole department.

[@MrTangolizard]

@@PantherPlayerCLAW oh well it makes sense to let use a rifle u are familiar with, do u have to have the rifle checked over and does it have to meet a certain criteria in calibre type of ammunition used etc , they wouldn’t I assume let u use let’s say a ww2 STG lol not that anyone would , but does it have to be a AR platform

[@52BigHitter]

@@MrTangolizard yes we’re required it to be an AR platform. You just keep it in your car and it usually never sees use on the day to day but occasionally there’s a time to bring it out. My department says we have to have it in 5.56 or .223. But you can customize it any other way within reason. The training staff check it over and write the serial number down and such but as long as it passes training and qualifications the rifle is allowed to be used

[@MrTangolizard]

@@52BigHitter cool thanks for taking the time to explain to me

[@danbendix1398]

I normally don't like to watch reviewers shoot (much like watching paint dry). However, you do a great job of editing the video so the shots you show synch well with the point you are making in the review. Thanks.

[@WombatAnnihilator]

I know Splinter Cell tried to get me to love the 5.7, but it just made me love the MK23. Nearly twice the money, but hey... that MK23 is gorgeous.

[@Nein1ron]

One of the most ridiculous, bombproof handguns in the world, definitely a bucket list gun of mine.

[@davemccage7918]

But muh’ stoppin powah! The 5.7 is the most powerful high caliber handgun round on earth! I have a 30 caliber clip-a-zine for mine and I can shoot 100,000 rounds in HALF-A-SECOND!

[@General-Grievance]

The PCC I went with is the Grand Power Stribog. Barebones pistol version was about $800 after tax & transfer fee. I had a handful of malfunctions initially, but after the break in period, it's been flawless. Pic rail on the top and bottom, M-lok on the sides allows for any accessories you might want. You can get a pic rail backing plate that will allow for any type of stock or brace you could want, and all it's controls are ambidextrous too. Shortly after I got mine they released a version with a Glock magwell, so that now comes standard. It's great firearm at a reasonable price. I would recommended checking it out if you're interested in a PCC.

[@MikeA817]

he's done a couple Stribog videos. iirc he's done both the A1 (direct blowback) and A3 (roller delayed). on the surface it appears a decent PCC, but I've read otherwise in forums and youtube reviews for "trust my life" reliability.

[@General-Grievance]

@@MikeA817 idk man, I'm not speaking for anyone else, just my experience. Often times when it comes to machining, two people can get the same product and one functions perfect and the other has issues. I won't say it's not possible. All I'm saying is the product I received is what I'm reaching for if something goes bump in the night. I've had zero malfunctions once it had been sufficiently broken in.

[@frankrizzo2348]

I went with the stribog also, a3. Wish I would of waited for the Glock magwell too but oh well. I think most people have issues with the straight mags, haven’t had any issues since I bought the curved ones. Threw on a HB industries adaptor and brace, added a primary arms micro prism and the gun is sick as hell

[@ph43drus]

I never got a full WWSD rifle, I got a lower and built my own. I fricken love it.

[@Jduke02]

“Ask lizzo’s backup dancers” that line was hilarious

[@JagdeepSingh-bs3cw]

we can just ask the chick in the video also

[@carlostorrelio5933]

Video title: Guns not worth the money Me, watching despite knowing full well I can't afford any of these anyway: 'Mmm yes, good to know.'

[@daryelthomas9414]

I had a fn 5.7 when they first came out,front sight came off before fifty rounds and the plastic cracked on the front. Sent it back ,then sold it when they fixed it. I have the psa rock now and have had no issues with it.

[@peterpiper3790]

When they first came out like 25 years ago? Wow

[@daryelthomas9414]

@@peterpiper3790 I think it was 2004/05 when I bought it.

[@USMC-1911]

When they first came out there was a student at our concealed carry class had one and couldn't group worth a crap everyone was all oh and ah over it my groups out of my glock26 made his look like a shotgun at 20 yards .

[@norgtube]

Both the SL8-1 and SL8-6 can be converted to take double stack mags, but obviously that should come stock for 2 grand.

[@NewbombedTurk]

@@Blackbomber200He was honestly full of shit about the price. If he paid $2k for the rifle alone, then shame on him. Also, WGAF about the mags being “hard to load”? In that configuration, or even a PSG-8 conversion, you’re not burning through much ammo anyway, it’s more of a DMR.

[@monstermash3021]

Now available on PSA for $1000….

[@christaball84]

I absolutely love reviews on the other side of the spectrum. You're always honest and quite thorough, its nice to see these super expensive companies get some push back.

[@petezahrbock]

A week ago, I tuned into the channel. And I'm very impressed!! The videos 📹 are great. The editing is great!! You have me hooked. Keep up the outstanding work 👍

[@markaustin2474]

Thanks for the heads up on bad purchases and also talking about worth while alternatives!

[@JusticeFreedomDestin]

I think the WWSD is the only gun I disagree with on this list, but only because the Brownells stopping the retail of them is more a political drama issue, more than a gun function issue. I think the rifle could be priced a bit cheaper but for what it has on offer, it’s pretty good

[@panzerabwerkanone]

I would too. Brownells also offered the cheaper CDR (Civilian Defense Rifle) but it too was a bit much for what it was. If you can forgo the Gucci Young Mfg. bolt carrier group, carbon fiber handguard, J P capture spring, and KE Arms SLT trigger then you have a $700 light weight AR you can build yourself. The one I built came in at 6.5 lbs and $720 with the PA prism optic.

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

​@@panzerabwerkanonei built my own version of the WWSD Rifle using a KP15 lower and it is awesome, 100 percent reliable, only weighs 4 ounces more, and was significantly cheaper. Easily one of my favorite rifles because it's so lightweight and comfortable and runs like a champ.

[@cplpuddingpop]

Yup. Karl from InRange went on record saying that LGBTQ people should be allowed to own firearms, same as anyone else. The owner of Brownells didn't like that, called him a "groomer", dropped his platform from their site, and had a firesale of all remaining inventory with the coupon code "triggered", just in case you couldn't figure out why they were doing it. Nothing to do with the quality, everything to do with the guy behind the brand being a manchild.

[@djjaysky9071]

it will never hold to real field use its is made with cheap plastic

[@djjaysky9071]

@@cplpuddingpop because giving mentally ill people guns will work out just fine

[@Sig_P229]

Buy American Act of 1933 - President Hoover. If they have a government contract, pass on the civilian purchase. Companies with a government contract hike the prices because the government must give it the American preference. There is a reason a military T-Shirt and underwear will cost $50. I wish I was lying.

[@mattydeeds4019]

Strange….I run my CZ AO1 LD in USPSA Limited and Production…the thing flat out shoots circles around Staccato’s. Everyone at my local USPSA matches just loves it! Probably have close to 5K through it, 147,124,115. I almost didn’t buy it because of your first review, but I am damn glad I did!!!

[@garyokie4893]

Thank God you said this. I have an A01 LD also. Just got done having it caginized and SRO put on. Still haven’t even shot it yet. I wish Outlaw would do a 1000 round review on it. I’d send him mine anytime. He didn’t give that gun a fair shake.

[@richardw2801]

Same, bout 3k rounds though mine so far. Only issue I have with it is the finish sucks and has worn out considerably. A lot of CZs have this prob, but it shouldnt have this problem being a $2000 gun.

[@garyokie4893]

@@donovanchilton5817 you’re right. My bad.

[@ShastaBean]

did he discuss using more than one type of ammo@@donovanchilton5817 ? Or mention what types, and did everything fail the same way & amount? I wish he'd mention that some, even if it's a "summary list" video like this. But curious about the full review (and don't feel like watching it for just that).

[@michaels5210]

I will say I think if you don’t mind the fixed stock and a fugly gun…. The WWSD lower is a pretty damn good buy at like 250 bucks for one with an upgraded trigger, with sales very often. I see what he’s saying about the WWSD not LOOKING the best but I think with the lower it’s so ugly it’s loveable. But that’s just me. That being said I haven’t put an insane amount of rounds through it so I can’t speak to reliability

[@SuperVeeZee]

I'll second this. I don't miss the adjustability, and I've put over a thousand rounds through my home-build using what is basically a Ballistic Advantage mid-length upper on a KP15 lower. It's a solid lower. I was expecting to have to do some tuning, since I threw it together and immediately started shooting it suppressed...but no. It just ran. And it's still running. Is it for everybody? No. But at about $150 for a stripped lower, and about $100 more for some appropriate internals, the lower itself is a worthwhile purchase.

[@eargesplitten9876]

@@SuperVeeZee Direct from KE the stripped lowers are like $110 before the 25% off coupon. And I definitely didn't buy 5 at once for the bulk buy discount that brought them down to distributor price when combined with the 25% off coupon.

[@SuperVeeZee]

@@eargesplitten9876 I pre-ordered mine when they were first released, and I got four. By the time I got them from the FFL, they were AROUND $150 each OTD between the cost of the lower, shipping, and transfer. I'm sure they can be had for less than that in-store, but they weren't in store at the time. I ended up selling off one of them. Made it into a 6mm ARC project gun that I just fell out of love with. But my other three will be staying. Especially my FDE one, knowing they won't be doing another run of those any time soon.

[@eargesplitten9876]

@@SuperVeeZee They might have dropped the price of them, I know when I bought 5 with the discount it was something like $375 shipped (from AZ to CO) and then I paid another 30 for the transfers which was a lucky find. That comes out to 80 each, but it would probably be significantly more if you were just getting the one. Still a good deal for a lower with the stock, "buffer tube", and grip assuming you're okay with the stock length and grip. I'm not picky about grips and the A1 length fits me fine even with a plate carrier, so I'm very happy with mine. I can't see myself picking a traditional lower for any build but a heavy precision build where I want a highly adjustable stock and lots of weight for shooting off a bench. And yeah they said they won't do FDE runs again, doing different colors requires testing the polymer since the colorants change the physical properties of the plastic. Just not worth it at this point.

[@pcoc8694]

Stribog SP9 A3. Great gun, great customer service. Minor issues with straight mags, they changed the follower, then changed to curved. The only issue is the magazines are proprietary. And the fact that there's an issue with the brace crap right now with the ATF. Once that gets figured out amazing gun for the money.

[@ericblechinger5566]

Brace issue? Just get sbrd and get it over with. Its a fun gun for 800$, at least it was 800 when I got mine.

[@pcoc8694]

@@ericblechinger5566 if you don't plan on moving out of state, but taking an sbrd firearm out of state without permission from the ATF is illegal. Also, the Stribog is not a short barrel rifle, it's a pistol. Why would you get it sbrd? It's an unconstitutional rule that will be eventually overturned as it already has been for multiple groups. No thanks I'll wait.

[@dr.burtgummerfan439]

​@@ericblechinger5566Bootlicker detected

[@docgillygun9531]

Thanks for the heads up. Glad I don't own any of those. The Homesteader did catch my eye but your review helped with that. Glad you do what you do. It helps us Joes save some time and money.

[@haymaker4956]

I own the Ruger 57 and the FN 57 mk3. The Ruger never gets shot anymore and sits in safe. The FN is very accurate and I love the feel. I just picked up the S&W 22 mag which is built from same frame and has the same type of barrel as the s&w 57. I haven’t shot it yet but should have the same feel as the s&w 57. I paid $1200 out the door at my local gun store for the FN 57 which is a lot of money but I have zero regrets.

[@Dukenukem777]

Great video. As an enthusiast I learn not a whole lot from guntoob love-fests, and I learned a great deal from this video. Thank you for putting out the content you do.

[@jonnycarcano]

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the WWSD Carbine is a complete build, and not just a complete lower with a PSA upper slapped on top of it. That's what I did, and it only set me back about $500-ish. It only jammed on me once, and that's about it.

[@brokenbullets5276]

I purchased a Gideon Shadow and they sent a different set of pic rails & bolt than what was advertised. Then customers service literally cursed me out when I asked to swap for what was advertised.

[@zigbeegooblesnort125]

Tell that A-hole 10s of thousands saw your comment and we will not even consider their P.O.S.❗️

[@KeanonGilliamSlang369]

Very surprised at the CZ

[@zigbeegooblesnort125]

@KeanonGilliamSlang369 It was just a pimped up Shadow with no extra performance.

[@KeanonGilliamSlang369]

@@zigbeegooblesnort125 I hear ya!

[@brokenbullets5276]

@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 Omega, or am I showing my ignorance?

[@wtdconcepts]

Thanks for not pulling punches, even on brands/designers you like and admire. Keeping the Honest in the Outlaw.

[@Robespierres_Ghost]

FN asks too much for a lot of their guns. Edge and Scar come to mind.

[@wesleycristman3278]

And their handguns. I can get something equal or much better for a fraction of the cost.

[@marcosaruca5283]

​@@wesleycristman3278the 510 45 tacticalnare fantastic guns and are made in america the rest of their lineup inwould have to agree

[@ShastaBean]

really sours me to them, entirely. Like they are just sticking to the idea of ripping people off. I haven't seen many people say their stuff is worth the price-tag. Sure would love to buy a PS90, though. But for something like $1100 - $1200.

[@LouSassles]

You should do a video like this but on optics. I think there is a lot of good options out there that you don’t have to pay premium for, that will do just fine and be just as reliable as the expensive ones

[@ghostdog3051]

HOLOSUN make good ones

[@paulhouseholder9360]

I have a couple Athlon optics units. I like them

[@ghostdog3051]

@@paulhouseholder9360 looking nice on picture in the same price class as the Holosun of corse 250-400 bucks its a lot of money for a reddot but both make that what they should do .

[@robertallen9916]

I dig my Marlin Camp 9! Old S&W mags are readily available and it compliments my 5906, 5904, 915, and 6906 nicely since they share mags. Classic wood and blued steel.

[@fadedjate7230]

You are a lucky dog, those old metal frame hammer fire guns are getting really hard to find.

[@robertallen9916]

@@fadedjate7230 Took years to gather, but I still keep an eye out. Patience and time!

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

I bought a KP15 lower and assembled my own version of the WWSD rifle and it's easily one of the best in my collection, it has quality parts in it, is extremely reliable, only weighs about 4 ounces more than the actual WWSD rifle, and was less expensive.

[@RedVRCC]

Homesteader is a real shame because it looks really cool and seems like a good idea. A gun that looks like the M1 carbine but takes readily available mags from one of the most popular handguns on earth? Great idea, poor execution...

[@cokedaz]

I feel like the WWSD is not entirely fairly portrayed here. The reason for the price is its not a manufactured firearm from a single company. All it basically offers is Brownells offering all the parts put together in one place. All the parts are from different companies that aren't actually working together. They picked parts that were their choice for the best option and Brownells offered it as a setup to buy in one click instead of having to buy all the parts separately. InRangeTV did a video of a very very budget version with the KP-15 polymer lower with a standard budget upper with a good red dot for approx $500. So you can make it cheap if you want to, just build your own, your own way. The point was the choices were the best for weight and reliability and cost wasn't really meant to be a factor. The stock and grip have been talked about to death and are the most common length and style and most people are fine with it. The rest is all changable if one specific thing annoys you. It may not look the coolest but its meant to be good for running about in 2 gun comps.

[@HotlineKM1]

I originally saw your video about the MDP9 and saved a buddy of mine from a regrettable purchase. I however had no idea it was an absurd $2400?? I managed to get a B&T Glock mag GHM9 for $1100 and it's built and runs like a tank. It's amazing the headaches you save by just looking and researching. Always appreciate your videos💯

[@willbond]

+1 for the Extar EP9. Now they cost 450 bucks these days but it's still a great value if you want something that looks good and is reliable.

[@Sourpusscandy]

I appreciate your reviews, especially when the Mrs. Shoots and reviews too!

[@panzerabwerkanone]

The WWSD started out as an exercise to build a rifle for general infantry use with Eugene Stoner's original concept in mind. Use the lightest but still durable modern materials available. What the WWSD became is a infantry rifle posing as a competition gun. If you build one and forgo the expensive carbon fiber and exclusive bolt carrier and recoil parts, then you have a decent light AR that comes in at below $700. I've built one and intend to build another. The KE Arms lower works fantastic and seems much more refined and durable than the CavArms attempt before it (which I also have). I also like fixed stock ARs better and I'm not a grip snob.

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

Brownells didn’t produce the KP-15/WWSD rifle. What happened there wasn’t anything wrong with the rifle, it was effectively a falling out between karl of Inrange and brownells.

[@kaz6916]

Heh, that’s putting it mildly….

[@JoshJones-xd5mw]

Yeah, I’ll never buy anything from Brownells again

[@ChowderAttorney]

Yeah brownells permanently put themselves on my shitlist for what they pulled. I had purchased a lot from them before.

[@droyal1975]

I literally set aside 3 1/2 hours today to nerd out on your channel. I really appreciate how matter of fact you are with your information, good or bad. Thanks.

[@johnshepherd9676]

I don't understand the dishonorable mention for the 80x. I get it that the ergos suck for a big guy but for average sized people it is not an issue. Comparing a compact .380 to a pocket pistol is inappropriate. They have different roles. The Beretta Cheetah series was a popular police pistol in Europe in both .32 and .380. It is the Italian competitor to the PPK, the official pistol of the Gestapo, and it is a much better pistol.

[@stevem4783]

I agree. It's disliking the gun for a reason that makes no sense - it doesn't compete with the lighter, cheaper, polymer .380s and it isn't meant to. It's like hating on a bigger car because you can get the same engine in a smaller one. Sometimes you don't want the smallest, cheapest option.

[@cletustheslackjawedyokel6083]

The 80x is bigger than many 9mm handguns, weighs more and has snappier recoil even though it’s only a .380. So a very high quality big .380 that is more unpleasant to shoot than a 9mm of similar size.

[@johnshepherd9676]

@@cletustheslackjawedyokel6083 The 80 series was meant for duty use. When introduced it was the G19 of its day. We have consigned .380 to the realm of the pocket pistol.

[@JonesyMcDanes]

afaik the wwsd rifle was meant to be a normal ar-15 with less weight, not really optimizing for competition. The chroming on the BCG did seem to cause quite a lot of issues with the gun.

[@AdamSkrzypczak]

I love my WWSD. Some people pay the same amount for a lot less AR. Though I will admit you can get away with much cheaper options.

[@raifsevrence]

The whole point of the platform is to be light weight. Everything is geared towards that goal. A goal which I think it does achieve. But I also think he is right that it's a gamer gun, not a duty gun or an SHTF gun. Probably just fine for an HD gun too since the only time it would ever leave your house is for range time. There's a lot better options out there for something to use hard, train with, maybe trust your life to (though that is the hypothetical none of us will ever experience) . I would probably have bought one myself if they hadn't gone with an A2 grip angle.

[@mattfleming86]

​@@raifsevrenceIt's not an a2 grip/angle. I do wish it was a little MORE vertical but it's a good bit more vertical than an a2. Think early Magpul stuff. Also mine (kp15 build not wwsd) has seen DAILY use on my farm since the december they were released.. so what going on 2 years now? That gun has been my absolute whipping post and never missed a beat.

[@3peckeredgoat735]

I Appreciate your experience, I've been unemployed for 5 years due to health problems beyond my control. I've been able to aquire firearms as close to your recommendation thanks to my wife, thank you for your advice.

[@Rigatonispaghettioly]

Love the videos keep ‘em coming!

[@fauxtool952]

WWSD is great but the CDR they also offered is the true value option

[@jamesray1439]

The WWSD is a meme gun that sucks.

[@17njl01]

@@jamesray1439 man you are really pressed about the WWSD rifle, you are seething about it under every comment that mentions it it seems

[@grben9959]

True value option would be building out a gun with a complete "mil-spec" KP15 lower ($120 on brownells at the time of this post), PSA lightweight upper (daily deal $350), and your choice of sights. This budget option will be super cheap and at least 85% as good as a tricked out gun. Of course playing that game ultimately leads to getting whatever PSA AR build kit is on daily deal (MOE furniture basic carbine length gas M4 profile 16" right now for $300)and the cheapest stripped lower you can find (usually Anderson or PSA). Diminishing gains are very real. I wouldn't worry about ambi-controls when building to value. Standard AR controls are positioned well enough for use right or left handed. The charging handle is the same with either hand by default (slingshot). You can hit the mag release easily with the thumb of your hand that's removing the mag and can reach the bolt release with the trigger finger when shooting lefty. we're talking about fractions of a second difference by building it out full ambidextrous controls. This isn't a gun where you're contorting to reach with the other hand.

[@ModernHeritageOutdoors]

🔥🔥🔥Send a couple down range for me

[@MrHarrilasagna]

Thanks for the heads up! The Desert Eagle, Tavor TS12, and Tavor X95 were the worst for me. If anyone tells you to buy one, its because they never owned one.

[@randomguy3034]

The X95 has some issues here and there. The 7 supposedly fixes those issues. I don't know much about the TS 12. It never interested me. The Desert Eagle is among my favorite range toys. After 200 rounds mine has never jammed in .44 or .50AE. I think Im at 4000 now. Their stock magazines had a slightly off shape which caused loading issues with .44 because they aren't designed for semi auto pistols. They're meant for lever action and revolvers. I don't recommend them to people either. If it's power you're looking for with a pistol I recommend the 10mm or 460 Roland. Plus you can get 14-18 rounds with 10mm.

[@carywhozawhastit2024]

+1 for the Extar EP9!

[@donkeyfluffer]

I had to replace the firing pin with the new style to get it reliable. I clean the FP channel in bolt when done shooting with dental floss made for cleaning under bridgework - has foam strip bonded to it (A miniature bore snake).

[@Asertix357]

The fact the Henry Homesteader is actually on this list and is so malfunction-prone hurts in ways I wasn't prepared for. I really love that retro look.

[@danielhansen9587]

It was my understanding the WWSD being removed from Brownels was polictal.

[@TriZaba]

Can you elaborate? I’m totally out of the loop on that

[@EWTHeckman]

I thought it was due to the GWACS lawfare.

[@raifsevrence]

@@TriZaba It was because of Karl. His left leaning/inclusive beliefs and associating with the transgender community among other things sparked off some internet drama. Karl decided to dive into the drama headfirst instead of just ignoring it which fanned the flames pretty hard. Brownells seems to have decided they don't like his politics or his social beliefs and shit canned the whole thing. They were straight up liquidating all KE Arms/WWSD related products using the discount code "TRIGGERED" . I only saw the surface of it as it didn't look like anything I really wanted to dig into. The internet is enough of a cesspool as is without deliberately wading in towards deeper waters. How accurate all of that information is, your guess is as good as mine. There may or may not be threads on Reddit and Arfcom (which is where it all supposedly started) that have more information. The discount code was legit so that lends some credence to the rest of the story.

[@shadowofender6948]

So, with the WWSD it is no longer taken by Brownells due to “controversy” around KE Arms and Karl on the brownells owned forums about their “2A for all” take.

[@waylongroves200]

The number one on this list made me super glad that I picked up my Stribog when I did for a third of the price of that shitshow. And it came with a red dot optic and an extra goody that can no longer be named. Almost 1k rounds and not one hiccup.

[@its_Rosey96]

When did Oliver Anthony start reviewing guns?

[@AustinRBa]

Sad but also glad to see the WWSD on this list. The price seemed too high for what you were getting, so I made my own for HALF. Pencil chrome barrels are a bit hard to find, but doable. Lightweight aluminum handguard is more that adequate. And Brownells has chrome plated BCGs for a hell of a lot less than the one they put in the WWSD rifle. Granted the first BCG I got was defective, but the replacement has been rock solid and the rifle is very reliable. I'm happy with how mine turned out, and I could afford plenty of ammo for it with the money I saved.

[@leerethamel3204]

I got a ke arms dmr lower for $250 and had a brownells upper from Xmas special for $240... Great gun for way less

[@purplepenguin43]

the pencil barrel is also too thin, when I mounted a suppressor on mine it caused a ~6moa verticle point of impact shift. changed it out for a gunner/mid profile and its like a .5 moa shift. that faxon pencil is just too skinny for a suppressor. also hated the KE upper, with that wart with wwsd stamped on it, its just ugly, ended up hanging the upper on the wall and buying a Aero slickside like the OG wwsd project rifles had. i still like the lower though, it fits me and I don't wear body armor

[@AustinRBa]

@@purplepenguin43 I went with an Aero upper as well. That's good to know on the suppressor, wouldn't have thought it'd be that severe.

[@raifsevrence]

@@AustinRBa the poi shift when attaching a suppressor to a pencil barrel is *severe* . Well made modern pencil barrels that are stress relieved can handle a bit of heat without major poi shifts, but they lose zero completely with an extended course of fire. Karl and Ian show the results of cold bore accuracy then a second group after a full msg dump. The barrels stay pretty confident after a single mag. It looks alright and for most uses is fine. It won't stay that way after 2,3 or 4 mags. There's only so much you can do with an ultra light weight barrel.

[@joshuamoore91]

Same, I like the concept, but their price was way too much. I built my own with non ambi parts, a geisslie trigger, aero upper, Brownells light weight bcg, slr gas block and gunner barrel and it was right around 1k. Much more reasonable. It is my GP rifle. I also think it looks very cool. Pro tip, get a 5x6 sheet of talon skateboard adhesive and wrap around where you place your support hand, get a scalpel or excato knife and cut out holes for the mlok slots. Weighs nothing, adds function and leaves mlok usable, and keeps with the aesthetic and philosophy.

[@brian_b_music]

I’m a self admitted CZ fanboy, they just run. I have heard not so great things about the CZC A01.

[@richardw2801]

It is a bit too heavy, but I haven't had any reliability issues with mine, bout 3k rounds through it

[@brian_b_music]

@@richardw2801 Well that’s good, I do like the look of it. But I’m not a competitive shooter, and that’s definitely not a carry gun lol.

[@christopheritsdaperrperry2857]

That Homesteader is the one that I really wanted to be a great firearm. I hope they get it squared away.

[@jaredcaldwell4270]

Same here. That thing is so cool.

[@loganclark312]

I agree with you, I wanted it to be great so badly

[@christopheritsdaperrperry2857]

I gotta say though, that's why HO is so valuable. He tells us how it is. We would all have dropped money and been disappointed. Gotta love them for it.

[@mr.k.i.s.s7496]

It's the love of the Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm. If that was more reliable, it probably would never have been discontinued.

[@steveb5967]

I think he just angered the Henry gods by suggesting it needed rails for lights and stuff.. I bought a homesteader, it ticked a ton of boxes for me and after watching a bunch of different videos his was the only one I found that was negative. I’m 1000 ish rounds in and the only problem I’ve had was when I tried a no brand 33 round Glock mag I got off of Amazon…. With standard Glock mags and with the Henry mags I’ve yet to have a failure to feed or a jam. I’ve run a couple different brands of ammo from 115 grain up to 147.. I don’t know why his had such a hard time..

[@lanewagner9034]

Not scared to throw the budget friendly brands out! Great honest reviews, most people fanboy over the 5.7 by fn when some of the cheapest competitors being just as good and not feel like a plastic toy.

[@jameshedrick4490]

This video is just proof money does NOT equal reliability. My $450 Rock Island M1911 is maybe the most reliable gun I have ever owned. It was my first 1911 and made me fall in love with the 1911 platform. To be honest, I rarely clean it or anything but with thousands of .45acp rounds through it at this point it has NEVER malfunctioned even once God's honest truth. I have had more issues with my Glocks that with that cheap ass 1911. P.S. Totally agree about the Tombstone. I'd do more 9mm damage with my Glock 17 in rapid fire than I would with that thing.

[@damonjones5597]

I usually don't trust a person that has "Honest" in thier name. But (honestly) this is my absolute favorite guntuber on here. I trust his opinions on firearms, he has proven that he knows what he's doing. I can say I've made at least 85% of my gun purchases come from watching his videos. I love this channel, keep up the great work 👍🏿👍🏿

[@BriGuyIT]

"Ask Lizzo's backup dancers" 😅 wow!

[@grahamlopez3742]

The ps90 is superb if you did it yourself. I added a low profile mount, a flip up magnifier, the correct length barrel, a new trigger, and an IR laser and light combo. It's pretty sweet now.

[@chuckvt5196]

I knew the POF...I mean POS Tombstone would make the list.

[@01rcpena]

Yep. I'm still pissed about my POS Rebel .22lr. Total piece of crap!!

[@grahamburgdorf8397]

KE arms always produced the wwsd monolithic lowers. Brownells is a dealer and never made those specifically, they quit selling the wwsd because of the online drama that was going on between karl and everybody else.

[@alexw2794]

This is why I consult your videos before buying a gun!

[@leonardsmith6216]

Another alternative to the Ruger PCC is the Beretta CX4 storm, it's a bit dated but takes PX4 or 92FS mags and costs less than the PCC

[@Andino.]

A replacement for that #10 HK is a CZ Bren 2, you'll need nothing else

[@OGSontar]

All I can say, is that if your life depends on it, the gun best go BANG! every time you pull the trigger (unless you forgot to count your rounds and emptied the mag). That's one of the things I really love about my Caniks. They look good, shoot good, have a totally awesome trigger, they're reliable, and so far, across 3 of them (TP9DA, TP9SFX, TP9SFX METE) and god knows how many rounds, they just work. Of course, they are all pistols, but still, pull the trigger, gun goes BANG!

[@SpectrumTheOriginator]

That Lizzo line caught me by surprise 😂😂😂 damn that was funny.

[@dw5237]

Hangs with twista, makes lizzo back-up dancer jokes...love this guy. Lol

[@bazookawarren]

Outstanding review, wish everyone was this honest! Your saving people a lot of money.

[@danielsaxon2206]

Can we get a similar video with optics and lights please? I just about won’t seriously consider a gun until I see your 1K review on them. Appreciate your time and all you do man!

[@apelnkn2230]

You and mrgunslinger are the only gun criticism I consider, ironically you giys collabed for the boys and not just clout like most other guntubers, love garand , admin, and herrara but we need the down earthers who have families not subs to chase ❤

[@LethalMayo]

Them big guntubers get paid to put out content for these gun companies

[@raifsevrence]

@@LethalMayo Not just the big ones. The big ones just get paid _more_ because they have more viewers. Realistically, even some of the ones people might think they can trust to be above board are definitely not.

[@SuperPwndProductions]

I gotta say I do really love my KP15 lower with my BCM MCMR upper. It’s pretty handy and I just threw some goon tape on the pistol grip.

[@RBMD2A]

I hope Bond Arms watched this video to avoid the Henry and POF issues in the upcoming LeverB rifle.

[@gabrielhurley6660]

Honest outlaw lives up to the honest part. He delivers facts, love it or hate it its rare. I for one appreciate it.

[@fauxtool952]

WWSD and several other AR rifles owner here. WWSD is nearly unmatched in terms of lightness. It needs an adjustable gas block to make it truly great, buts its otherwise a stellar rifle

[@KamikazKid]

Nah, adjustable gas blocks suck, I know a couple people who have had issues with theirs coming loose and not cycling properly.

[@fauxtool952]

@@KamikazKid poor quality and poorly installed anything sucks. Adjustable gas blocks absolutely work. Mine and I hear other people's WWSD are way overgassed out of the box. If you shoot naked and suppressed are you going to swap the block each time?

[@AceFalken]

Giving educated and honest reviews is helping the industry. It helps filter out the swindling that some companies do while also hopefully helping those companies look at their product and improve it. if all else it also gives a look into future gun designers and gunsmiths something to look at improving or doing better in the future. Its a shame the Tombstone and Homesteader aren't performing well. they look like they'd make a cool truck/ backpack guns with slim profiles. I'm not a PCC fan but those 2 tickled a soft spot in brain that i wanted them.

[@jarrodneu7229]

Your reviews are great! I enjoy your channel and your opinions on firearms. Idk if you have a video on 10mm chambered in 1911 platform but would be cool to see one. Thank you again for your helpful reviews

[@Zantar45]

I know someone with one of those Bear Creek Arsenal 9mm AR pistols that had over 1,300 rounds through it before its first problem - the handle falling off. It's no $2,400 Angstadt Arms MDP9, but for only $350 he seemed pretty happy with the BCA.

[@randyreviewsit]

Ooo that Tim Kennedy line is spicy 🌶️ 😂

[@GreyGunsmoke]

I worked for a local range in Charlotte and will confirm that the Angstadt arms have a wide variety of issues. Screws backed out multiple times, constant malfunctions. We literally pulled them off the wall for range guns because people complained about the failure to feed so much. Cool thought in theory but they do not perform to standard. Buy a CMMG or scorpion!

[@Weaseliestweasel]

Lizzos back up dancers… 🤣

[@paullavine849]

😊Thanks!

[@itsapittie]

I always appreciate your perspective on various firearms. Interestingly, most of the other reviews I've seen of the Homesteader found it to be reliable. I don't know if they're shading the truth or if you just got a lemon. Regardless, it did make me shy away from buying one.

[@mr.k.i.s.s7496]

The rule with cars is "Never buy the first iteration or model year". That's true of guns, too.

[@ETHRON1]

You should get with Tim, MAC, and do a Top 10 Worst Mess Video...

[@scottbeal7068]

Nothing but smiles during this awesome vid. Thank you every so much, Honest and Mrs. Outlaw. I love the idea that a committee of experienced gun people decided to build, maybe test, and then offer for sale at $2k a gun that requires thread locker and a gunsmith. I'm delighted by that...every time I reach for my $350 CZ P10C and S, or my Glocks 43, 42, 33, 32, 36, 45, etc. (well, maybe not the 36). And let's not forget the utter reliability and pretty crappy trigger of my Beretta CX9 carbine for $700.

[@aPlateOfGrapes]

Ahh, the POS Tombstone.

[@thomascozart1095]

Thank you for sharing your honest opinions and thoughts on theses. The FN LS Edge was the most disappointing firearm I ever bought for the price.

[@rocksandoil2241]

Thanks!