Do Pistol Caliber Carbines Suck? 10 Reasons You Need A PCC

[@statictech7]

Reason #1 is i have a gun addiction. All the other reasons are just me justifying my addiction to myself

[@N7mudkip]

😂 true.

[@kens17761]

Amen brother!!

[@jonasschmitz506]

I wouldn’t call gun addiction, but “investments” (as I would sell my guns anytime soon 😂)

[@Codevil.]

Hi, my name is Cody , and I'm a firearm addict.

[@BadObserver]

Feel that. Scratches side of neck

[@lexwaldez]

Two great reasons that appealed to me... 1) they are super fun to shoot 2) the ammo is cheaper than a lot of popular rifle calibers, yup. That's really all I need.

[@SuicideVan]

Good enough for me, but .22 LR is still better for cheap shooting.

[@justauser]

​@@SuicideVanwhen you combine fun and cost, 9MM is less expensive because your getting good value from a centerfire round!

[@Rubeless]

That makes no sense that 9mm is cheaper in any way.

[@thesage90]

​@@SuicideVan if you going for cheaper with a lil more power then 9mm is the go too

[@shawnbradford2243]

@@Rubeless9mm is much cheaper than larger ammunition what are you talking about?

[@erikwolfarng]

I own the Extar AND the Ruger PC Carbine and it's ALL YOUR FAULT! No regrets. Thank you for the reviews and honest content.

[@johnremcastro]

In my country, they banned firearms that shoot "real" rifle rounds from civilians a couple years ago. A PCC is pretty much the only rifle option for us civvies now. It's the closest thing we can get to owning and shooting an AR-style weapon. Great video showing at least PCCs can still get the job done 👍Cheaper ammo is a bonus, since rifle rounds are expensive here even before the ban.

[@StevePark-nf9zb]

What country u from?

[@donttread5916]

​@@StevePark-nf9zbcommiefornia 😂

[@StevePark-nf9zb]

@@donttread5916 my country is comicanada they just took away AR 15 and banned all handguns and and in comicanda were not evan aloud too use guns or any weapons to protect ourselfs we r virtualy deefensseless ,police showw up after crimes are over and do nothing.

[@blauer2551]

@@StevePark-nf9zbBetter practice up on your baseball swing before bats are outlawed

[@StevePark-nf9zb]

@@blauer2551 lol

[@bryanduchane2371]

Had a Diamondback AR9 for a number of years. Great affordable 9mm AR style PCC. It was such a fantastic gun, I was going broke shooting it. Could blow through 1000 rnds in a range session if I didn't get tired of loading magazines (Glock). If you want a great, affordable 9mm AR PCC, Diamondback has you covered!!

[@natestain7103]

I have the DB9R as well. It’s never had a malfunction with fmj, but only feeds hornady FTX red tip hollows. It sits alone in the safe now without its SBA3 brace :( damn ATF

[@jeffpraterJSF]

@@natestain7103put it back on bro

[@willl4219]

@@natestain7103Take out the brace my friend! They are back now🔥

[@jacobkean03]

Diamondback must have stepped their game up. I bought a db15 in 300 blackout and the only time it would shoot reliably was when the trigger didn’t get pulled. I thought maybe I could break it in like you sometimes have to do with these lower quality guns but that’s been 6 years ago and I’m still trying to break the mf in after a couple thousand rounds 😂😂

[@b2tall239]

I've got a 10.5" .45ACP upper for my AR-based SBR. Love it. So easy to shoot.

[@justanotherinternetexpert7743]

TWO WORLD WARS!!! 45acp is my favorite pistol round!

[@frozenninja4030]

For all the guff it gets, the Sub2k is an awesome PCC. Inexpensive, great aftermarket support from MCARBO, variety of mags, accurate and reliable. Can't ask much better than that.

[@showmeyourbitspodcast]

It’s always tough to admit but it is my favorite firearm that I own (and I have a LOT). It’s light, accurate af, and obviously portable

[@dripofabsinthe6188]

Sub 2k is a blast (no pun intended) to shoot 💯

[@petertosh4748]

Love them

[@EdwardSpencer-li5bo]

The sight is way too low. It could be a half an inch higher without hurting the design of the Sub 2000. I have an astigmatism so I can see a red dot. The Sub as it sets doesn't allow it And fold.

[@gundude4609]

@@EdwardSpencer-li5bo. I have a 45 degree mount with red dot and get it almost closed

[@thomaswalker9277]

The Extar EP9 is 100% on my list of guns to buy. I want a PCC that doesn't break my bank, takes Glock mags, and is reliable. And from what I can tell, the Extar checks all those boxes.

[@sniksapap]

Cant go wrong with an EP9. They just work and reliably sling lead downrange without issue. It's one of my favorite toys

[@ar15tac]

I built one for my wife because she said the AR built for her was too heavy. It’s probably my favorite gun to shoot. It’s just so incredibly fun and easy, but still feels like it packs some power… her do imagine a much more capable urban environment.

[@markwarner8863]

I LOVE my EP9.

[@LightSkinCapabilities]

You better go that Ruger Pc Charger💯

[@JKLauderdale]

6:27 This right here is why I started my collection with Glock right off the bat. I stumbled across the EP9, saw it took Glock mags and decided this was my goal. One magazine, one ammo, multiple firearms. A couple of years later, PSA released their Dagger and I now have the G19, EP9 and Dagger with no worries about what mag fits which gun. That being said, I EDC a PDP. Glock has it's place in the house but for carry, I much prefer the feel and function of my PDP.

[@FocusedHands]

I did this but with 5.7

[@stevesweeney7892]

Yes I need another 10 reasons why I must have another Firearm. Thank you Brother, you got my 6! StaySharp Sgt.Steve Ret. 🇺🇲

[@eldritchshiner]

I know it's ancient now, but I still love my Ruger PCC. It doesn't fold, but it does take down to half size (in two pieces) easily. Very reliable with Glock mags for me, and I keep it handy at home with a G17 mag (for mobility). Also, it doesn't look like a "BAN ME" weapon.

[@steveavant9727]

Agreed. I bought one when they first came out, it’s a ton of fun to shoot. From the beginning, I said the with the right ammo, it is a great self defense weapon. After countless rounds, not one malfunction of any kind. It just works.

[@billkrebs4227]

I have one, awesome gun. The breakdown mode is a huge plus, and it goes well with my glock..... eats anything and very accurate...

[@LightSkinCapabilities]

Man I love mine…. Runs like champ

[@c_rock3512]

Funnest gun I’ve ever shot. Thing is an absolute tack driver.

[@thomasharrington5511]

Ruger pcc. Still one pf the best rifles ive bought. Super fun and easy to shoot

[@illrotik]

Agreed. Till you hit stovepipe city and have to send it back to Ruger. At least they have quick turnaround time.

[@thomasharrington5511]

@@illrotik replaced the ejector with an after market. I run a binary trigger and never had an issue thus far.

[@illrotik]

@@thomasharrington5511 I bought the same aftermarket ejector. If I run into that problem again, I have the fix waiting in my drawer.

[@thomasharrington5511]

@@illrotik well if you have the fix good for you. We all need a good fix.

[@DeanCalaway]

These are all good reasons, now we need a head to head with all the PPCs you can put in one video to look at cost, performance and sexiness between them.

[@rohawaha]

Just built a 16 inch .45acp carbine " because of the stupid brace rule " runs a 100% reliable and that thing is a sledge hammer, I was at the range and it would flip 8inch steel plates over the top bar.. I reload and cast my own lead bullets so it is very affordable to shoot. A real keeper.

[@lee.isaac.richard]

What a great video. Over an obsessive 30 hours of research this weekend, I came to every one of the conclusions discussed in this video. Following the concealed handgun, the pistol caliber carbine should be a go-to second addition to the arsenal of an armed citizen. It will be mine.

[@joecitizen6046]

I am totally hooked on PCC's. Not only do I love them, so does the rest of my family. I sometimes read where guys will say that a PCC is the "worst" of both worlds...you don't get the concealability of a pistol and you don't get the power of a rifle. But I have had friends out shooting that absolutely fall in love with them once they have shot them. I can hit milk jugs with ease at 150 yards with 9mm carbines like my Freedom Arms FX9, Kel Tec sub2k, Marlin Camp Carbine, and even a cheap-ass ugly Hi-Point 995TS that my wife won't let me sell. And I do include the lever action carbines in pistol caliber in the mix; such as my Henry side gate that shoots 357 and 38 special. With Leverevolution rounds, I blow milk jugs to smithereens at 200 yards. And like you said in the video...I already have a bunch of magazines and pistols that match the carbines.

[@saoirse5308]

When my kids became adults and I started buying guns for myself again, two big surprises for me were. 1-how fun an AK is to shoot 2-how much I like my PCC for a day of plinking.

[@captharry900]

Chris, I bought the EP9 because of your review. You were right, pretty awesome gun for the money. Running it suppressed with 147gn reloads. Pretty quiet, comparatively speaking. Keep up the good work!♥️from eastern NC.

[@huntgar]

I don't have a can on mine yet and it's still a range favorite.

[@theflypilot]

What can would you suggest I buy for my EP9?

[@theflypilot]

which can did you go with?

[@FyrFytr998]

I sold my Ruger PC Carbine to get into an AR, and I regret the decision every day. It was nice having a single caliber, single magazine set up. I mean it’s nice having a little extra range, but if I honestly evaluate my self defense and possible bug out needs. The PCC was plenty adequate. It was nice having .357 ballistics and power in a accurate 16” rifle. All because the YT gun tubers got me all hyped up on 12.5” AR’s, lol. So with my state now making my AR an Assault weapon. I’m gonna start saving again to go back to square one with the Ruger. Only this time I get the luxury of spending $200 more for the PC Carbine.

[@alexmitchell7083]

I fell to the pistol sized AR’s also. They have their advantages but I just couldn’t get over the noise and percussion coming off of it compared to a standard 16”(this was a 10.5”).

[@jonjacobjingleheimerschmid3798]

Don't forget to check out M&P s new PCC offering!!

[@FyrFytr998]

@@jonjacobjingleheimerschmid3798 no can do. State law now makes anything with a pistol grip illegal. Mind you a traditional stock weapon shoots exactly the same. Apparently pistol grips make the weapons scarier and kill more, lol. Politicians and suburban soccer moms are clueless.

[@EggscellentSheets]

I got mine for $550 used out the door from cabelas used online. Looked as if the previous owner ran 2 mags through it and put it back in the box. It's the floating barrel model as well. Keep your eye out for one there

[@ohtehlolz]

I turned my G20 into a PCC, added a 6" barrel and a rifle optic. The B&T chassis is amazing, it fits in a smallish purse with the 6" barrel and optic.

[@ArthurFrancis7593]

10 mm , I thought the same thing

[@mattwalters6834]

I’d love to see that!

[@bobailanjian3700]

I know I'm gonna get laughed at but...I have a Kel Tec Sub 2000 that takes a Glock mags. Have 10 17 rounders and 5 after market 25 rounders. Lots of shooting without having to reload mags. And...I've had it for about 12 years and have 2000 rounds through it, with ZERO failures. It always goes bang. Maybe I got lucky?

[@docbailey3265]

You!…YOU!!!…aw never mind…

[@danperry3116]

I also have a sub 2000, I don't care what others might say. If they want to spend 1000 dollars or more good for them. But I don't need a status symbol. My keltec runs everything I have put in it and is very accurate. Plus it folds. Now I just have to find a concealed carry holster for it.

[@greenidguy9292]

@@docbailey3265You’ve been a dick your whole life, huh?

[@SteveLucas-u7f]

I have a sub 2000. The only thing that I don’t like is the lack of a good cheek rest. Have never had a failure out of it.

[@g.creighton7247]

If they laugh, who cares? You like it and it makes you happy. I got one because it was cheap and saw good feedback about it and I have not regretted it. Still going to buy an extar and a PSA, but my sub 2000 is here to stay

[@jerrymeyers2075]

I built a 10MM PCC and absolutely love it, extremely effective with the proper ammo like Underwood

[@Mazryonh]

What kind of PCC model is your 10mm PCC?

[@JonathanHaberski]

10mm PCC makes no sense the ammo costs is higher than 5.56 and approaching. 308 so just why?

[@Happyhandcannon]

I just bought my 1st PCC, a factory new in the box, Diamondback DB9R for $575. I absolutely do not regret it! It's a fantastic entry rifle. Fit & finish, LRBHO, 7075T6 aluminum, takes Glock mags & is easy to shoot. Ammo price is about 1/2 of 5.56. Upgraded to a 3.5# PCC trigger, 2MOA red dot & muzzle brake. It's a great gun & runs flawlessly.

[@oskar6661]

Before the "ammo crisis" I would have never considered a PCC. However, got a good deal on an AK-V and I shoot it for two reasons - both of which you mentioned. It's half the cost of shooting my 5.56 guns, and the AK-V actually has recoil on par with a 5.56 gun, so I'm getting the training I need (which I don't get from .22 plinker training).

[@oscarbear7498]

The ammo crisis really did highlight what guns your better off having, rifles quickly became a luxury with very limited ammo. I like 5.56 , the range is nice but hard to imagine when I'll need to shoot 300 yards.i have a hard time justifying shooting 200 yards. Maybe in a shtf no rule of law cartel come to my ranch, but even then it's a very rare situation in a already very rare situation. Ppc of situations under 50 yards are far more likely

[@mattwalters6834]

@@oscarbear7498same, I MIGHT have to shoot close to 300m in SHTF/WROL but that is a stretch, that’s why I like.223/5.56 rifles like the AR which can still be used up close. But I’ve always loved PCCs for their handiness.

[@oscarbear7498]

@@mattwalters6834 most likely an encounter God for bid will be under 50 yards around the house and back yard. Shooting beyond that you have to have the world best lawyer or be in WROL. PCC also don't travel as far to over penetrate, in the city you can't throw a rock without hitting someone. In a 10 acer ranch you can shoot with in your 200x200 yard ranch but shooting beyond that is into your neighbors land. Missing is a huge problem and in military majority of rounds Miss. It's definitely hard , another big concern is you'll most likely be shooting without ear pro in a pinch. PCC can be suppressed to safe levels with subs so for shooting in the house better lol

[@saysbadman]

Great video, I am still watching it. I have a Beretta CX4 Storm in 9mm that I am digging, and it uses Beretta 92 magazines which you can get in 30 rounds.

[@marktraveler8569]

Damn. You are, quite simply, the best guntuber or whatever they call you, out there. I watch a lot of guys, and those whiskey tubers too lol, and you are so consistent and the content you provide is excellent. We all appreciate your work, your time, and your cause with those kids. Very thankful for you and enjoy your wife contributing as well. It’s all taken in good fun and you treat her with respect. Just keep teaching, that is what is needed in this day and age, educate. From one old guy in western Nebraska.

[@cookingwithkyle3514]

I love my Ruger PCC. swapped it for glock magwell and now i can rock 33rds and more!

[@MacNCheesePro]

I love my Ruger PCC. Big after market, takes glock mags to go along with my Glock 17 which is my other home defense gun. I mix/matched a bunch of different 9mm ammo in both guns (steel, 115, 124, 147 and some questionable remanufactured ammo) fired all of it with no hiccups at all.

[@gameel06]

​@HonestOutIawReviewSCAMMER

[@jerrymeyers2075]

@@gameel06 what the hell is that supposed to be you mentioned that twice

[@gameel06]

@@jerrymeyers2075 There was a guy in here scamming pretending to be honest outlaw, looks like he deleted everything. Had a fake profile set up just like HO

[@encinio1]

From the Keltec sub 2000 to the Trailblazer 9 and many other offering’s in between PCC’s have most definitely become quite popular for home defense as well as cool range toys.

[@jerrymarshall2728]

The main reason I got my Ruger PC9, a few years ago, was so I could carry (OWB) my G17, and use the same ammo/magazines in the PC9. And my suppressor works great on the PC9

[@gameel06]

I wanted a pistol I could use alongside my pc9 but wasn't a fan of the Ruger pistols and I'm not a glock guy. I figured out you can use cz p10 p09 and p07 mags with the pc9 if you use the Ruger American magwell, the catch holes line up perfectly

[@NaglfarCommando]

Hell yeah! Glad you made this video. I got the Extar EP9 because of your video on it. Still my favorite firearm that I own so far.

[@joeadair3906]

I picked up a cheap and kind of homely Hi Point 9mm carbine 7 years ago, and it’s still one of the most fun guns I have. I only use it on the range, but it’s just a blast and super accurate as well. Pure enjoyment. I use the Red Ball 25 round mags in it as well and they work great.

[@jimbolxvi6428]

Had a Ruger PCC because it could take Glock Mags and it was a fantastic setup until after about a year when I realized the metal mag release was chewing up my 33rd mags to where they’d “lock in” but then drop under recoil from first shot fired. Went back to Ruger mags until I found the Henry Homesteader and got that with Glock magwell and it’s been absolutely flawless for about 2k rounds so far and the polymer mag release mates to the Glock mags perfectly. So the Ruger PCC is now in my sons collection. Worked out for both of us as I much prefer the wood furniture as well.

[@herbderbler1585]

The Glock mag damage is unfortunately a known flaw in the Ruger PCC. There is an aftermarket mag release you can get to prevent that damage. I can't help but wonder why Ruger doesn't fix this considering they went to the effort of deliberately adding Glock mag compatibility.

[@quadlife7207]

Just got a Wolfman for my AR-V with a 6” barrel, extremely happy with my 9mm pcc setup. Thanks for all of your hard work!

[@shootinbruin3614]

Regarding #2, I think it should be important to note that while handgun calibers do penetrate less than .308 or 12ga. slugs, even 9mm defensive hollowpoints will typically outpenetrate a lot of 5.56 in drywall and flesh. A lot of the smaller PDs were hesitant to switch to ARs due to concerns of overpenetration but as FBI and other LEO testing has shown, 5.56 (even common M193 FMJ) tends to fragment before achieving the penetration depth that pistol duty ammo typically reaches. To expand on #10, here's another advantage I'd add to having a PCC: access to USPSA PCC division and other PCC competitions. If you're serious about developing your proficiency with your longarm, there are few better options than regularly shooting matches. Even if you already have a 5.56, a lot of the skills learned competing in PCC translate directly to the more powerful gun: manipulations, reloads, malfunction diagnostics and clearing, developing a natural index and consistent stock placement, sight tracking, shot calling, movement, all these can be honed in matches. Even recoil control is similar since (as mentioned in the video) a blowback 9mm AR actually has the potential to kick more than a well-gassed 5.56. If your primary longarm is an AR, it's possible to create a near-perfect analogue in 9mm. In fact, with Endomag PMAG conversions, it's possible to have a PCC that's visually indistinguishable from your 5.56/.300, although I should stress that this isn't necessary and that even if you compete with a completely different platform like a Ruger PC9 you'll still become a much better rifle shooter. Shooting in matches will make you a better rifleman from the standpoint of weapons manipulation and marksmanship at speed. From a defensive perspective, the inoculation to stress isn't to be discounted either. Not to mention most folks you'll meet are great and it's just fun as hell

[@Hornet135]

Right except for 9mm typically penetrates drywall as much or more than 12 ga.

[@superbarnie]

I wanted to do PCC in Uspsa but it turns out they don’t allow pistol brace PCC and instead you’d need to buy a 16” version or register a SBR which is not possible in my state.

[@shootinbruin3614]

@@Hornet135 You're right, I was thinking more about slugs. Will edit the post. Thanks

[@donaldboethel7430]

I've never owned one the semi-auto pistol carbines, but I do own three pistol caliber rifles. In the mid 1960's there was a large number of surplus training rifles sent to the U.S.A. from Australia. They were BSA Martini Cadet rifles used for training. They were single Shot, about a 1/3 scale of the Martini Henry. They had a barrel about 24 inches long and were chambered to a cartridge called a 310 Greener. I picked one up for about $35.00. Ammunition was not available, so I sent mine to a well know gunsmith and had the barrel re-rifled from .310 to .357. I then had about three inches of the barrel cut off, so the forearm came to the end of the barrel. It was then rechambered to .357 magnum. All of the original marking are still on the barrel. There have been many Armadillos here is Texas that have been eliminated by a 125-grain bullet and a stout load of H-110. Later, I picked up a Marlin lever action in .357, another "fun gun". In the early 1990"s a friend of mine who is a talented gunsmith made a number of bolt action rifles in .45 ACP. They fed from a 1911 Magazine. I was given one of his prototypes which I shot for a number of years. At one point I returned it to him as the extractor broke and the barrel developed a problem. He returned it to me this year, fixed with a new barrel in a takedown configuration. I don't burn up as many rounds as the new semi-auto carbines, but at my age I have just as much fun.

[@davelaneve2446]

Great video. I have several PCCs. 2 CMMG Banshees, one 9mm, the other 45. The 9mm is my primary for training, and my girlfriend usually has it in her vehicle. The 45 I have it in my SUV. It is stoked with handloads, 45 SMC cases, and 130 gr Lehigh Xtreme Defender bullets loaded to about 1600 fps. I also have a Wilson Combat AR in 350 Legend, which has about 40% more power than a 357 Magnum, it is my primary home defense rifle, and my deer rifle, as we are restricted to straight wall rounds for hunting here in Indiana. Also have a S&W FPC, I keep it in my backpack when hiking and camping.

[@stevem4783]

Home defense configuration: PSA Dagger w/ reflex & light, and a Ruger PC Charger with a circle dot/light. Both run interchangeable Glock mags and any ammo you feed them, Charger shouldered for accuracy but still short enough to move around easily indoors.

[@ElJefeS4]

This really makes me reconsider adding a PCC to my collection.

[@Yoda052]

I LOVE my Sig MPX competition carbine. Using a 135 gr Blue bullet (TC) over 3.8gr of VV N320, it is fast and very soft shooting. The most fun you can have with your clothes on…

[@d3w4yn3]

GLORIOUS video!!! I always wanted a carbine, and you are not only forcing me to buy one, but you are forcing me to be smart about making a well-informed choice!!!

[@barackmycat9448]

I am a PCC fan. I have a cheapass Hi-point -point carbine that`s really fun, reliable and quite accurate. That covers my top 3 criteria.

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

I’m in agreement. A good PCC will go a long way for ppl as a great defense gun. I’m already planning on my 2nd with some type of Colt pattern 9mm.

[@brianrmc1963]

Thanks!

[@gandalfgreyhame3425]

Brendan Herrerra laughed and sneered at the Keltec sub2000. I have one of those, with Beretta 92fs/M9 mags. It's a great gun.

[@tmutant]

Great video. I'm already planning on getting the S&W FPC. I own a couple of M&P 9MMs so I have a lot of mags already. 5lb weight will make it easier for all my family members to use it. Plus all the things you said in the video.

[@patmitskey839]

I boght bought one, the first time I seen it, I wanted it for its compactness. It fits in the trunk of our goldwing, comes in a zip-up canvas case, with plenty of storage... Plus ➕️..... it comes with three mags, two 18-round mags, and one 15-round mag.... It's an absolutely amazing gun!!!!

[@justauser]

It's my favorite gun, period. I had a takedown PCC years ago that I hated and sold due to reliability issues and weight.... the FPC is lightweight and dead reliable. I love it!

[@ThumperH60]

You won't regret getting the FPC. I have had mine for two months and absolutely love it. Over 1000 rounds with no issues. It is a blast to shoot.

[@justauser]

@@ThumperH60 1000%

[@herbderbler1585]

@@patmitskey839 you're way undervaluing those magazines. They're actually 17 and 22 capacity, unless you somehow got a different version than me.

[@edgarburlyman738]

8" barrel 10mm, 500 ftlbs at 150 yards with store bought hornady ammo

[@docgillygun9531]

The panorama of the PCC on the lovely granite rock being sprinkled gently with fluffy snowflakes was breath taking and has inspired me to get another one.

[@lonewanderer3603]

I love the Beretta CX4 and so does my 68 year old mother, so pcc's are great defense options for older people. I really want a 10mm pcc, but the CMMG is $1400 and the Hi Point is a hi point.

[@SuicideVan]

It still recoils more than a 5.56 carbine though.

[@lonewanderer3603]

@@SuicideVan I don't think so. There's hardly any recoil in the CX4.

[@SuicideVan]

@@lonewanderer3603 there's hardly any recoil in an AR 15 lol.

[@sahzookey]

If I could get my hands on a 6 to 10 sbr version, I'd throw money at it. Beretta needs to update it with a pistol braced version. The mag in the pistol grip cuts down on overall length much nicer than the other PCCs.

[@huntgar]

I'd add for younger self defenders too. I've got kids and the ones not yet strong enough to steady a rifle can run the EP-9 like it's nothing. 🇺🇲

[@XxZekeKnightxX]

I'd absolutely want that video on PCCs for the money. I finally went shooting for the first time through a private lesson, shot a Glock 45 and I'm excited to try a 1911. I plan to have a PCC as part of my setup for economic reasons, once I find another job that is, got let go the day after. The workers/instructors at the range were impressed with my shooting, and I was expecting to not be able to hit the broadside of a barn!

[@TomahawkDan]

I love my Beretta CX4, goes great with my Beretta pistols too :)

[@gene2049]

Love mine too. Great PCC !

[@markhosbrough9180]

I finally managed to find and get hold of a cx4 found it in a store in Colorado and arranged for it to be transferred to a local store

[@houtzyboy2]

I feel like outlaw is always watching😂 I shot my pcc for the first time in months tonight. And I came back inside to this video. Made me happy

[@tommccormick9290]

The biggest advantage I see with PCCs is reasonable power without blowing out the eardrums as badly as with rifle rounds especially indoors.

[@claytonmckee8392]

I have a scorpion with a dedicated can as my bedside/home defense weapon. Not only do I shoot it way above my skill level, the wife and both kids can handle it very well.

[@daviddelaney4106]

My 9mm AR is probably the most fun to shoot gun I own.

[@josecarlospratesfilho7791]

Agree

[@ElainesDomain]

Same here.

[@bryanduchane2371]

Had a Diamondback AR9 PCC and was going broke buying Ammo, as it was so fun to shoot. Got rid of it to save money..,

[@GuilePatrick]

Thanks for making great videos Chris.. I have a question.What do you think of PCC convertion kits?

[@greenidguy9292]

So much for spending $50…😂😂😂

[@mattc5791]

Excellent video... I own a Sig MPX PCC and I'm here to tell you that it's much softer and quieter than virtually and AR-15, yet you do get extended range with similar results. There are many PCC's that are far less expensive than a Sig MPX so the format is available to most shooters. Highly recommended.

[@tyranidswarmlord9722]

I've been tearing myself in half on what to buy, KP9 or Sig MpX. Especially since MpX has Call of Duty-like recoil.

[@markdillard4422]

I have a Sig MPX and it's like shooting a BB gun. It is so much fun but I'm dying for a KP9 also!@@tyranidswarmlord9722

[@shootinbruin3614]

@@tyranidswarmlord9722 >10,000 rounds in on an MPX here. Recoil is fantastic, but MPX's are very maintenance intensive guns compared to a blowback. The gas system need to be cleaned at the most seldom every 2,000 rounds, and in order to do that the barrel needs to be removed. Be prepared to change out a lot of extractors. The gun has a total lifespan from what I understand. I know competitive shooters with ~50,000 rounds on their MPX's who've experienced so many mechanical gremlins that they just retire them at that point. The upside is the MPX's recoil is that unlike a blowback's it's almost unchanged between loads. More than the overall recoil itself, being able to switch from one type ammo to another with little change in how the gun moves can be quite a plus if you shoot competitively and/or in high volume. Just be aware of what you're in for

[@hardlylivin6602]

I've shot a few MPXs, and I can't agree. A properly tuned AR is incredibly soft.

[@mattc5791]

@@hardlylivin6602 I agree that, in general, AR’s do not generate significant recoil when ‘properly tuned’. But they are much louder when unsuppressed, and can be lower recoil depending upon gas tuning, buffer type and stock choices. The point of my comment was to offer an alternative to more expensive, higher end AR’s. Many PCCs are very affordable and the ammunition cost for any PCC is significantly less costly than any AR rifle rounds. IMHO

[@Dreadhead1018]

Hoping Smith & Wesson expands their FPC line to 10mm & .45 ACP

[@paulwiedeman4628]

Agreed. But I do enjoy my FPC!

[@gregorypatzelt6964]

Pcc with defense ammo is my go to in most scenarios. I prefer the shorter style of PCC for it's easy to handle nature, low recoil, speed, and weight. However, now having to sbr it's a big slimmer pickings. Something like an mp5 is super effective. There is a reason the military and law enforcement have and still use it. My go to home defense gun is still the mk23.

[@Rubeless]

Mp5s are not effective that’s why they were dumped in the 90s. Cops don’t count, they generally don’t know jack. Get some education and training. Calling it a mk25 tells everyone you don’t have a clue.

[@kenharris5942]

During urban combat the pcc in 9mm is very effective. No it’s not a 5.56. But being able to use only one caliber and magazine is advantageous. Plus… I like using the same ammo the enemy most likely is using. Something easy to obtain when shtf

[@mattwalters6834]

Same

[@jamesandgraceglobalone2one588]

I got a CAA MCK for my Sig P365, which makes it very close to a PCC, and it is a blast to fire. The 365 is my EDC. Popping it into the MCK makes it much more accurate and able to shoot distances very well.

[@Legendary9612]

Same. Might consider a full blown carbine one day. But, the Sig in the MCC suits my needs at this time. I get a nice thumbs up when at the range from at least one person when they realize I’m keeping a tight circle with a 9mm at 20-25 yards.

[@michaelw2288]

PCC come in several form factors. The "normal/default" one with a mag in front of the trigger. The Bullpup form factor with mag behind grip, a firm favourite of fan boys. The other one which doesnt have a name so is not even discussed, but will give you , for free, a muzzle 6" less long.

[@KwarterCraft]

A big problem with PCCs is that they are a pain since the GAYTF nuked braces. Unless you want to SBR something, you're stuck with a 16" barrel, which is partially defeating the point of the PCC in the first place. If the NFA gets revoked I could see a big uptick in PCCs, but as it is right now they're not in a good spot.

[@hardlylivin6602]

Demonstrated concepts explains his "cheek pistol" concept on his channel.

[@keithwatkins2643]

Ruger pc charger

[@dubjubs]

As of this week there are injunctions in place by courts protecting NAGR and FPC members from being in trouble for braces so you're fine on the brace still. As far as I can tell it's all members this time as well unlike earlier in the summer where it was only in the district the ruling was in place.

[@Hornet135]

Braces got un-nuked, and you actually think any sizable percentage of brace owners complied?

[@MonicaHolly143]

Only illegal if u got caught

[@jaredmatthews9403]

My wife loves training with her Ruger PC carbine.

[@coffeepumper]

I built out a PSA ar9 with an upgraded flat spring and a better buffer weight and changing handle.. that thing runs amazing, maybe 600 bucks all in.. haven't touched my PC9 since.. these things don't have to be expensive, just well thought out.

[@gameel06]

@HonestOutIawReview SCAMMER

[@blakeanderson118]

Thanks for the video, i haven't bought one because its always made sense to me that if im carrying a larger gun, i might as well have a larger bullet. All these points make sense and have changed my perspective. Looking forward to the best pcc for your money video! Thanks

[@jimbobborg22]

I own a lot of PCCs, from .22 lr to .45 Colt, with a lot in between. I've got them in semi-auto, lever action, and pump action. The most fun one is the pump action in .45 Colt as I can slam fire it. But I use all of them in some form of competetive shooting. Would I use one for SD? Sure, 9mm/.38 Special are adequate for this application. I've been told that 44-40 and .45 Colt may overpenetrate, I haven't tested this myself. I'd refrain from using my Winchester 92 takedown in 32-20, as it would be very hard to replace. The caliber is a bit underperforming, even through a 24" barrel. I'd really like a 10mm PCC, but I don't have the funds to purchase a Kriss Vector and don't want a Hi Point anything. Just Right Carbines no longer sell 10mms.

[@tonyg8471]

I now have two 9mm PCCs, both Colt mag lowers and both were DIY projects. The first is a converted AR lower with a magwell insert. The second is a dedicated 9mm lower from Spike's Tactical. There were "toothing pains" to work through in order to achieve reliability---especially with the Spike's lower. Both are now fully operational. Some say Glock mag lowers are generally easier to get up and running reliably, and that may be true. But I like the Colt mag look and the standard LRBHO of the Colt lower. The AR ergonomics of these PCCs are exactly what I like from a training perspective (as Chris points out). Lastly, I like to shoot. A lot of shooting, on a 50m range. There is no substitute for the cost of 9mm ammo. It is clearly still expensive, but as Chris points out...the $$$ factor is significant. Put a reflex sight on a PCC and see for yourself.

[@sherlock1895]

This was a very good video. Quite informative too. Your points were well taken and make good sense. I’ll be looking forward to your videos on recommendations for a 9mm PCC. Cheers!

[@williamsweet7511]

I just put together an Aero Precision PCC and it works great, Shot it at a USPSA this last weekend and it was flawless

[@tootactborii]

I have an Extar ep9 that thing is awesome! Definitely my home defense.

[@stephentthomas]

Before playing this video, I said to my wife, "He's going to mention the Extar and either the Hipoint or the Sub2000." She and I rattled also off 9 of your 10 points a few extra that got wrapped up together in a single point. This is not that you are predictable, but that I watch you enough to know your preferences and mindset fairly well. I got the Extar because of your many reviews and list entries. I love it. It's staged in the center of house for home defense if we encounter a home invasion while cooking dinner.

[@OnePieceWonPeace]

Nice video. I'd love to see the ballistic differences between a 9mm PCC, 10mm PCC, larger cartridges if applicable, and an AR/556.

[@Rubeless]

Plenty of videos on the subject. The ballistics between rifles and pistols is no comparison.

[@elitetrader5468]

pistol caliber cartridges suck

[@HuntingTarg]

It was interesting to come across this video, because in watching it I vaguely remember watching one (might be up to 2 years ago) on PCCs by Lovell of WPS, who had a reverse perspective from yours. So I asked myself; 'then why do they still exist?' This video answers that question. Thanks for your efforts and insights.

[@ElainesDomain]

The only 9mm I have is a PSA AR. A blast to shoot. Next one is a Daniel Defense for better versatility. Thanks for the video.

[@docgillygun9531]

The PDW is a wicked choice.

[@0dirty]

PCCs are fun as hell to run and the ammo is typically cheaper. For shorter range activities, they do just fine and produce less blast. They do not, and will not carry the velocity and power of most rifle rounds, but thats not always a bad thing depending on the use case. If you can only have one long gun, go with a true rifle, but if you can swing a second long gun, PCCs are great.

[@gamerbg294]

For me, PCCs shines when it comes to suppressed weapons, because with subsonic rounds the difference in "power" between a rifle and pistol calibers decreases a lot (so that at close range they can have similar performance at the intended target), so that the PCCs miniaturization ends up compensating for the increase in weight and size caused by the suppressor

[@0dirty]

Yeah, PCCs are not for anything outside of 50 yards.@@gamerbg294

[@Sptsmn700]

Aero lower with CMMG 9mm upper suppressed with subsonic rounds is probably the funnest gun I've ever shot. Super quiet, cheap ammo, same magpul pmags and controls for training purposes. And when you're done just take the cmmg upper off and put your 556 upper on with no other changes.

[@surfer1012]

Love the Extar EP9.

[@jeraldcallaway7889]

I recently mated my XD 45 tactical to a mechtech 45 Super upper. The combo was a little heavier than i expected but i fell back in love with 45acp, and 45 super is so underrated.

[@gameel06]

​@HonestOutIawReviewSCAMMER

[@oceandmike]

Great content, Chris! Thank you.

[@SigAXG320]

I’m all in on a PCC for home defense. Don’t have to worry about rifle rounds penetrating multiple layers of sheet rock. Second, it’s ideal to put a suppressor on. The only question I have is whether to go with the SBR version - like a 7.8” barrel on the Scorpion 3+ - which means having to get a tax stamp and jump through the hoops….. or just get a 16” version, which means no hoops to jump through. Problem is that 16” + adding a suppressor means a very long barrel. Which I don’t like for home defense and a truck gun and I can carry around

[@scottroder5516]

When I was a swat cop, I had my choice of a Colt 9mm SMG or a Colt m16. I chose the 9mm because at 100 yds I could prone out and put a whole mag in the head. I did this with iron sights before my eyes got old. Loved that SMG!

[@DarrenMalone253]

SAR 109 uses Colt SMG mags, AR pattern 🤙

[@derek3154]

My favorite AR9 is the gun you hated and sold…lol. Love the MPD-9 Angstadt arms Piston gun. Super soft and has been very reliable, mostly shoot suppressed.

[@calvinnewberry5915]

Something that gets over looked the cz scorpion is available in a carbine with a adjustable folding stock which makes an awesome pcc just got a hybrid 46 suppressor that I want try on it

[@justanotherinternetexpert7743]

I have a Ruger PC9, and a LWRC SMG45 the ruger is really my son's he learned to shoot on it. The lwrc smg is just a range toy. But it is pretty cool and I could definitely use it for home defense if I did not already have better tools for that.

[@danielsullivan7740]

I’ve had so many PCCs over the years from scorpions, MPX, B&T and so on and I always end up selling them. And I feel like the only one that I would never sell it would be an MP5 but I haven’t bought one yet. I just feel like if I need to go from my pistol or edc to something else it will always be a rifle not a PCC so I don’t see the need for one. But again I am so always drawn to them like a moth to a flame lol.

[@bryanduchane2371]

Can understand exactly what you're saying. I'm in the same mindset.

[@oscarbear7498]

Absolutely. A pistol is unmatched to edc for close encounter of under 10 yards. Not going to take a PCC to the YMCA or out grocery shopping. If distance is what you need a rifle beats the pants off of a PCC. That middle group of a pcc Is an odd place

[@Codevil.]

Ammo cost, teaching youngsters, suppression, and many times you dont need more than a 9mm especially with new age bullets

[@delmargator]

Great video for me. All the reasons help me decide between a 5.56 and 9mm rifle. I know for my use and possible use the 9mm would be better for me. If outside invaders come charging up the beach I'm sure I would want something more powerful. I appreciate the thoughtful explanations and reasons.

[@barney214]

A couple of tacticool dudes on another YT channel say PCCs just plain suck. They claim short barreled, suppressed rifles are the only way to go. Your points just make more sense. Thanks.

[@colesjh]

Great vid Chris! B&T GHM9, CZ Scorpion Evo 3, Beretta CX4 Storm are in the collection and looking to add a B&T APC45-SD and HK SP5. Hopefully my PCC addiction will be complete. Hopefully. 🤦🏾‍♂🤷🏾‍♂😂

[@markgotschall2914]

Love my old school Marlin Camp 9.

[@markgotschall2914]

Also PCC's add 150-200 fps to the pistol round.

[@docbailey3265]

I have a Ruger PCC with the Magpul Backpacker stock and a Fiocchi LPVO and it’s pretty cool. I have 4 SR9 magazines. It would make sense to buy a couple of Glock happy sticks. I’ll think about it.

[@1977Yakko]

I have yet to get a PCC but I see them increasing in popularity as a go-to home defense firearm vs the overpenetration risk of 5.56 and as an alternative to the high recoil of the 12 ga. shotgun. When I do get one, it'll probably be a more budget friendly option like a Ruger that is just an upsized 10/22 but if I had F U money, I'd get the Sig MPX.

[@sociopathmercenary]

I have the Ruger and it's solid. I'd like to get the Smith & Wesson FPC as well. The Kel-Tec sub 2000 is fun but implementation is trash.

[@KorbinDallasRocks]

Why not split the difference? I bought a Thureon Defense in .45 acp. AR setup but engineered from the ground up in 45. LOTS of PCC manufacturers out there.

[@sunsetheritage]

@@sociopathmercenary I have the S & W FPC, super fun 🤩. Lorie 😊

[@1977Yakko]

@@KorbinDallasRocks Thanks for the suggestion.

[@JKLauderdale]

If you have Glocks, look into the EP9. Ruger also makes a Glock compatible option but it's 2x the length and ~$300 more. Either way, you'll have a PCC that uses the same magazine as your handgun, allowing for minimal issues regarding ammo and mag swaps. Chris has videos on both here, I much prefer the EP9 but YMMV

[@gameel06]

PSA for anyone with the Ruger pc9, you can use CZ p10 p09 and p07 mags if you use the Ruger American pistol magwell the catch holes line up perfectly

[@gameel06]

​@HonestOutIawReviewI have been running my CZ mags with the Ruger for about a year now, not a single malfunction but I don't get LRBHO

[@gameel06]

@HonestOutIawReview SCAMMER

[@lindanelson8400]

I know they're not available as a new rifle any more, but my favorite 9mm rifle is my trusty Marlin Camp 9.

[@kx8960]

Nice! Those ARE pretty rare and unusual guns. My girlfriend (RIP) bought mine for me as a Christmas present (my first gun) back in maybe '85 from Sears. I still have it, but I'm actually going to clean it up and sell it. Haven't shot it in years. It's in excellent condition, so hopefully I can get a good price for it. They seem to be going for about $900+ now.

[@lindanelson8400]

Bought new at Sears, that's pretty cool in itself. Yes they are good rifles, unless you absolutely have to sell it I'd be keeping it. I had no idea they were going for $900 these days. I bought mine used in the late 80's just after I bought my first Glock 17. I was already thinking about my bug out kit, and what an advantage to have my rifle and pistol in the same caliber. I'm keeping mine for ever.

[@DTS214]

First AR build was in 45acp, finished it last month! Having some issues but it’s at least finished and operational once I get the kinks worked out.

[@HSmith-uk9hl]

I bought my PCC - a PSA PX9 - new for under $600. That did not include the red dot or Glock mags. It has been reliable, accurate and a lot of fun to shoot.

[@LethalMayo]

Me too. I put a 9 oz bufferband a stiff ar10 spring in it. It made it shoot really soft.

[@thomgizziz]

Right... not a good deal on an ugly gun with no included magazines and you are telling everybody? What is wrong with you?

[@HSmith-uk9hl]

Back under your bridge, troll.@@thomgizziz

[@nunyobidnezz707]

I have a 16" FX9 and ordering a 6.5" extar ep9 and a psa dagger. All take the same ammo and mags, which is economical for me and will fit my current needs

[@trevorj.8401]

I'd like a lever action in 10mm!!!! But I'll settle for a cmmg 😅

[@nakipilivi7503]

I went 10 mm banshee as well and built 10.5 inch 45 acp love them both

[@jimblackbird5678]

I have the Ruger PCC in 9mm and can hit 100yd without effort. Love it.