Hope For 5.4L 3V Mod Motor Fans

While driving an older truck might save you money on a car payment, it may cost you more when it comes to repairs and parts. If a broken part leaves you stranded, or worse, damages other parts on its way out, that's when you have to start shelling out the big bucks.
The 5.4-liter 3-valve Ford is a great example of this. They were introduced in 2004 and replaced the 2-valve. Some of the main differences are in the cylinder head. There are 3 lobes for each cylinder on the camshaft. Two for the intake valves and one for the exhaust. There's also the addition of variable valve timing. While that's great for torque, it actually gave the engine an Achilles heal.
Symptoms of failing phasers are loss of fuel mileage, a ticking noise, and loss of power. A lot of people miss or ignore that though and keep driving which results in complete failure and lack of lubrication to the top of the engine.
But rather than scrapping or trading in your old pickup, PowerTrain Products has a better solution for you. They offer re-manufactured and updated 543 valves for just under $3,300. They also offer re-manufactured engines, transmissions, transfer cases and differentials for a wide range of vehicles. They have a great warranty and you can even step up to the no-fault warranty that will cover you for 5 years and unlimited miles regardless of the cause of failure.
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[@armstrong4196]

I did this huge job last month. Replace timing chain and components +phasers+vct solenoids +oil pump upgrade. It took me a weekend to do it and I'm glad I did it. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT!

[@wyattnewman2430]

What site did u buy the parts from I have 280 k and I am replacing spark plugs once a month

[@bret9741]

I just bought a low mileage 07 f-150. 1 owner, an elderly man from Houston Tx. The engine has 63,000 miles on it. I’m planning on doing the same. About what did it cost in parts etc.

[@andrewwest3556]

@@bret9741 just get a cam phaser lockout kit it’s 500 usd and it comes with a sct x4 tuner it’s pretty easy to do yourself but u can have a mechanic put them in if u want to

[@bret9741]

@@andrewwest3556 thank you. I’ll have to check that out. I’ve been tempted to pull the motor and transmission and sell, it still has less than 67500 miles on both. Seems to be a strong market for low mileage engines and transmissions. I was looking at a company that remanufactures both and sells them with all the latest updates for the 5.4 3v with a 7-year 500,000 warranty. Since I can do all the work, it isn’t all that terrible of a price.

[@isaacmedina2957]

Hey guys hope you dont mind me asking...my 5.4 3v 2010 has been having camshaft sensor check engine light. I replaced the camshaft sensors but it is still on. I cleared it but it comes back. Is it leading to this??

[@DaleDanErnie]

I didn’t think 5.4s had fans… wow, you learn something new every day it seems.

[@JacobTemple_CE]

I have a powertrain 5.4 in mine. Sometimes I have to stop the radio to make sure it's still idling it's that's smooth and quiet

[@Goldchannel12]

My 5.4 3v has been ticking for over 200,000km now lol

[@christophermohamed4990]

It's most likely junk at this point. No point to repair.

[@Chase_01]

Mine has 315,600 miles and it has been ticking since 250,000 miles

[@Chase_01]

@Peyton Brimmer 317,000 now

[@fordshuler1525]

@@Chase_01 mine is 240,000 miles and I have no ticking

[@letstrythat00]

Mine ticked for about 5k miles. Replaced the cam phasers. Everything else looked ok. We will see.

[@98snakehorse]

My 06 3v has around 183k on it now. Replaced the phasers, chains, guides, tensioners and oil pump at around 178ks. Still runs very well and has plenty of power.

[@anyoneanywhereusa]

And it will run for a long time with what you've done. Solid engines

[@petemeraz3464]

My 07 has 245k everything still original no leaks or anything as of yet and I am the original owner.

[@elvisbriseno7]

I’m trying to build my engine over again with a new block when it starts failing

[@trippthomas4920]

I did the same thing to my 05 expedition. I’m now at 185000 and she runs better than ever,

[@TheDude111]

@98snakehorse How much did a service like that cost?

[@reddirtmetal4390]

Boy did I find this video a few years to late lol.. great info. Thank you

[@bkranz-1283]

Best thing anyone can do for their 5.4 3v is run 5w-30 oil instead of 5w-20 like recommended. It truly was designed for 5w-30 and there are forums with real experiences to back up that claim. The cam phasers will go much longer and oil pressure will improve.

[@scottlambeth5478]

The thing is Ford specs 5w20 for their engines for fuel mileage reasons. It's no secret the motors live longer with 5w30 but to meet the mileage standards set by the EPA they have to cheat slightly and use that watery 5w20 BS oil. That's why from day one of owning my 02 5.4 i've used 5w30 instead of the 5w20 the owners manual called for, plus back when I bought my truck new in 2002 the 5w20 oil wasn't as widely available as it is now.

[@TheCoatneyadkins]

Dude, I work at an independent shop, a really bad one, where my boss and coworkers will pour ANYTHING in your engine, they will mix 5w20 and 5w30 oils together instead of walking to go grab another quart, or just dump in whatever is laying close by with no regard to what it actually calls for. ...it kills me. ..smh And we don't diagnose either, and by we I really mean THEY. ...just swap part after part until it either gets fixed or give up and send it to "the dealer" lmao My boss, the owner of the garage, watches youtube videos and uses Google to "diagnose" things. ...I'm not kidding one bit. ..he's too cheap to buy a subscription to all data or shop key, or Mitchell on demand, or identifix etc etc ....we have no information, no diagrams, there's only two of us mechanics in the garage, and we use the shops tools, which SUCK for the most part, old wore out sockets and screwdrivers, we don't even have a working multi meter in the shop, just a test light, and an old ass snap on solus scanner. We don't have a fuel pressure test guage worth a damn, just an ancient leaky one with only one fitting for gm.....I would bring my tools but the guy I work with is a slob and I don't want him touching my shit, it'll get lost or broke if he does, I have to go around behind him organizing and cleaning just so I know where to find tools and don't have to work in a huge mess constantly. ..I bet if I missed a couple days in a row the place would look like a grease tornadoe came through the shop. ...I've only been there two months ...when I first started it was bad. ...would take me five or ten minutes just to find a particular socket or extension that I needed Because everything was just thrown around everywhere with no rhyme or reason, I have ocd, honestly, I have to have a clean organized work space or I lose my shit. ... The owner of the shop is cheap, pays as little as he possibly can, and wonders why he can't keep employees, he keeps the paper towels and toilet paper under lock and key because he's afraid customers are going to steal it. ...seriously. .... And will let one of the two racks sit empty all day while there's $500-$1000 labor jobs sitting in the pkng lot to be done in fear of missing out on a $20 oil change that may or may not show up. ... And get aggravated when I find other things wrong with vehicles other than what they are in for. ...he thinks I'm trying to rack up the bill on the customer, when in reality I'm just doing a good job and letting them know their brakes are almost metal to metal and it can be dangerous, you'd think it would be a win /win. ..we make money and customer stays safe, but no. ....I dint understand his logic, he turns down work left and right that actually needs done. That's money rolling right out the door with the vehicle in my mind. Sorry for this rant whoever reads this, I just gotta get all this off my chest or in gonna explode, and since I really need this job right now to get myself out of the bad jam I'm in I can't say anything to anyone out loud. Boss doesn't pay overtime either, it's the same rate matter if you work over or not, and get this, if I work a Saturday he only gives us $50 cash each. ..and he thinks we're supposed to be happy about that! !!! Plus I show up early every single day and give him 4 to 5 free hours of labor every week...never have gotten a thank you or anything, my probationary period raise was three weeks late showing up on my paycheck. ...and it was only half of what I need in order to be able to pay my bills and eat without juggling bills. After I get these last couple ase certifications and have my master tech patch, I'm moving to Florida and I'm gonna apply to a Honda dealership and make some REAL money, working on the easiest repairable cars out there, brand new, no rust. ...life will be so much easier. ....can't wait! !!!

[@rcsix3rd]

I use full synthetic 15w40

[@AlexanderGonzalez-lr8tb]

I hope you got out of that bro, that business is so unethical it hurts my brain, he’s violating labor laws by not paying you overtime, he’s an insult to mechanic shops. I hope ur finally working at a shop that actually care about doing good work!

[@armstrong4196]

Since the upgrade in my 09 5.4l I've been using 5w30 there's a huge improvement in HP and gas mileage.

[@JA-no1qk]

LT, you're my hero. I had no idea this is where you were before your channel

[@spudtatorson5528]

I laugh at the fact they call a 10 year truck old. They'd call my daily driver ancient history.

[@Craig2760]

Spud Tatorson I just sold my ‘96 Chevy 2500 to my mechanic.

[@P71ScrewHead]

i agree..lol

[@kaleb5426]

Legit I drive an 86 f250 with a 460, bad gas mileage which makes it bad for right now 😅

[@kingdaniel3519]

The phasers and tensioners aren't the problem, it's the oil pump! The factory pump loses pressure at moderate rpms, reducing lubrication at the top end. The passenger side is the last to be lubricated, that's why the passenger phaser is usually the first to go. Both the phasers and tensioners run off oil pressure. I'm glad to see someone offering a reman with the most up to date parts.

[@hochhaul]

Exactly. Ford even had to lower their spec for the hot idle oil pressure after the 3V went into production because so many oil pumps fell below the original hot idle oil pressure. Plus, the 3V had fairly narrow oil passages in the heads that tended to restrict flow and cause the heads to be sensitive to any slight loss in oil pressure (hence the cam journal and phaser wear). The engine simply has too many other potential issues that result in not enough oil being fed to the phasers (and the heads generally speaking).

[@Professionalpatternrecognizer]

That new high volume Melling oil pump is a godsend. Never seen the VCT system on my 5.4 3v so stable. The OEM pumps use an aluminum backing plate which deflects under load which is why they lose pressure and volume as the RPM rises. The new Melling pump has a cast iron backing plate to remedy that issue.

[@hochhaul]

@@Professionalpatternrecognizer They can also develop oil pressure issues due to cam journal wear. If the oil isn't changed often enough, sludge deposits can form in the oil channels, causing restrictions in oil flow feeding the cam phasers. It's the downside of more complex OHC engines. The complicated components that require oil flow to function correctly are competing with all the cams and lash adjusters. If the pump can't meet all the oil demand at the top of the block, or if somebody pushes oil changes too often, you either get wear which reduces oil pressure and creates oil flow losses.... or the engine develops deposits that restrict flow and starve the top end of oil, which creates accelerated wear and excessively high oil pressure drop in the heads, which leads to wear and cam phaser issues.

[@undergod1987]

I do agree with you on the oil but those tensioners and blown out seals were a problem. Mine blew out and caused some problems.. If nothing else losses pressure for cams

[@anyoneanywhereusa]

Listen. Please take this to heart. If Ford does anything right, it's trucks and 8 cylinder engines. Mod motors are no exception. The vague bologna that is perpetuated with the 3 valves is played out. "They spit plugs, the old plug design was terrible, the phasers explode, phasers are a terrible thing," on and on. I will relate my story with my 3V. Bought an 05 Expedition with 182K on it. Needed it for all the kids. Wanted a truck. The expedition fit the bill. I bought an Eddie Bauer, so it's a LOAD of weight. like 5600 curb weight or something like that. It's a 4 wheel drive. Limited slip rear dif. Actually a pretty nice set up. Good shape. paid 4500 cash and owned it the day I bought it. The torque converter lockup was slipping when I bought it so I swapped it out with a new torque converter and a much better built transmission (had monster out of Florida rebuild it, they do performance racing transmissions, and it cost just a little over the typical cost of a stock rebuild). Back to the engine part of this story. The engine had that diesel rattle at idle, the original phasers were shot. I was unaware about the oil pump issues these things experience, so I just replaced the camshaft phasers with an upgraded set of Dorman phasers. I will say that I have never had an issue with these phasers and I get no codes, they work just fine. Anyway, drove the truck for approx another 40K just doing that. I always added one container of lucas to it when doing an oil change. Stuff does a great job of sticky lubrication and helping to protect parts. Never had an issue over 40K miles doing this either. Recently I had read some things about the oil pressure issues and these trucks, so I figured I'd better get the melling unit installed. Pulled everything apart and swapped it out. also found a mildly blown head gasket on the drivers side, so I pulled the drivers head. Figured since it was off anyway, took it to my head guy and had him redo the entire thing. When I got it back from him, he said "yeah, it was due for a complete rebuild, but honestly for 220+K, not bad at all." That means something. The heads are solid units. While I had the head off, I figured I'd take some measurements. The piston tops were covered with a lot of carbon buildup. a wire brush in a drill fixed all of that. barely scratched the pistons at all. The pistons are good quality. I measured diameter of the thrust surfaces of the cylinders against the lateral surfaces of the cylinder. Mind you, my engine has 220+K miles at this point. There was just under 0.003" difference between the thrust and lateral faces. That's with this mileage in a 5600+lb expedition. and I have no idea how well or not well the prior owner treated this thing. I have zero piston rattle, no weird mechanical noises. decided to check all of the valvetrain components while I have the head off from the drivers side. all the lifters were within 0.010 of one another. cam in great shape and lobes were almost perfect in respect to one another and wear. My truck makes great torque and gets after it. I love the cam phaser system, makes for a great performing engine. I will continue, even with the melling pump, to put one half container of the lucas and then synthetic oil in it. The engine needs 2 quarts put in it every 4000 miles or so (obviously has some small leaks, it's got over 220K on it). I put on some street fire coil-on-plugs and it definitely made a difference. E3 spark plugs. I fully expect this engine to live and perform in this truck to at least the 350K mark before a rebuild is necessary (maybe more). I'd take it anywhere and have no concerns about confidence in it. Lets just end this bullsh*t about the 3 valves. This conversation is SO played out. Do they have some common minor issues, sure. If you are buying one at this point, the plug issue has already been addressed. You likely need to swap out the oil pump, which takes a day or two. If you have a little mechanical ability, not hard to tackle at all. They are brutally reliable. And if you truly care for them, don't drive them crazy, keep good oil in them, and do basic maintenance, like any engine, they will live a long life. These engines aren't a bad mark on the 5.4 history or evolution, they are just as good as all the others.

[@GusMahn]

LOL. Sold my last modular ' 97 F150 with 350,000 miles on it. Great other than using 1qt of oil/1000 miles. My '04 FX4 5.4 3V needed an engine replacement at 120,000 miles due to head damage caused by oil pressure issues. It's a clean well maintained truck. I work with 4-5 guys who traded their 3V trucks in. None of them had failures, but the noise made them feel like failure coming soon. I understand that some run a long time while making noise, but my checking account had a $6000 hit due to this over complicated under performing engine. And ALWAYS put in an oil pump if you're pulling these engines down that far. Also, the earlier cast iron timing chain tensioners are a good addition.

[@muskokamike127]

So, you openly admit, that you (according to standard book rates) you put A new transmission: $5000 Phaser/timing job: $3500 Oil Pump: $2500 Pull the pass side head: $2000 So you put $12,000 into a vehicle that is only worth $4500 LOL and you say this is a "great" engine? Now I had to adjust a little due to the diff in CDN and USD but they're pretty close. So for $16500 you have yourself a 14 year old vehicle where for $500 more, you could ditch the boat anchor 5.4L and gotten into a 2012 to 2014.

[@NaturebyGus]

@@muskokamike127 Not sure where are you getting those prices... as a reference Fordtechmakuloco, one of the most recognized Ford F150 techs out there will charge ~$2300 to rebuild the phaser/timing and oil pump with motorcraft parts included. Jared R. did most of the job himself saving a lot in the process. Now he knows the history and the entire condition of the truck, with brand new upgraded parts versus buying another used "newer" truck for $16K 2012 or 2014 that could fail at any moment since we don't know really know the internal condition of any used car unless you take apart the engine.

[@muskokamike127]

​@@NaturebyGus those are ford book rates. Everyone charges differently. I live in Canada so you can add 30% to those numbers. Where I live a ford dealer charges $4500 for a phaser/timing job. An engine shop where I live quoted me $3200 in labour to swap a cylinder head and they're about the most reasonable around. As for the newer trucks: the 5.0L in the trucks is tried and true. If you're worried about engines failing at any given moment, that can also occur on brand NEW vehicles. Even if you HALVE my book rates, he's still put $6000 into a $4500 vehicle. That's what is known as: being upside down.

[@slimjim7411]

@@muskokamike127 Around here independant shop charges around $1600 for cam phasers, and oil pump update.

[@edjackson4389]

My 08 F-250 5.4L 3V phasers have had the hot idle ticking for 90K miles. It is low on power and gets 12mpg, but keeps on truckin. It has 234K miles on it. I change the oil every 3K miles. It may die tomorrow, but anything that runs 234K miles without being opened up is a pretty decent engine

[@asleeperj]

most of the people that have issues are going 5-10k miles without changing the oil. Ford is to blame, they suggest 5k intervals. OEM's all of them actually. Their intervals are to keep repairs down under warranty, and not to extend the life of the vehicle. When I get a brand new car (very rare because they last so long) I change all fluids at 1,000 miles, get all that break in junk out of the engine transmission, and differential. 10k brake flush and power steering. then do normal intervals after that

[@ryancollins3227]

My 05 5.4l f250 has 216k and no tick at all just full send and 3k oil cha ges

[@michaeljohn669]

Fords not afraid of variable timing and overhead cams. I love those engines they just need headers and exhaust and a tune.

[@elmaschingon8237]

I’ve been hearing my truck tick since I’ve bought it at 55k miles... now at 113k and runs like a champ...

[@chicanopowers4938]

El Mas Chingon my 5.4 tick went away when I replaced the VCT solenoids. I switched to Pennzoil platinum 5-30 oil after that, and it stopped sounding like a diesel truck. Did that last year at 90k on an 06.

[@WS1_AUTOS_N_STUFF]

I bought my 5.4 2v from them ! They r good to work with . 4yr warranty for mine, hard to beat that. Fixed tapered spark plug problem, motor runs strong 💪

[@medtec6747]

When I saw him take off those phaser covers I about punched him through the screen. That bolt came damn close to dropping in.

[@justinmoore7410]

Med Tec67 right? Lol I had a small heart attack

[@WS1_AUTOS_N_STUFF]

He took timing cover off anyway

[@BrookieCooki84]

WS1 AUTO’S N STUFF The front of the pan is exposed. It could rattle down and end up in the oil pan. Not a huge deal if the engine is out of the vehicle, you’d just have to pull the pan off and retrieve it and replace the gasket. But if it’s in the vehicle taking the pan off is something entirely different.

[@Yz85rider338]

@@BrookieCooki84 I just redid my timing components, oil pan doesn't even have to come out, flex magnet if it doesn't stay right in the front of the pan.

[@mckrackin5324]

@Jeremy Yeah. Wouldn't hurt anything and would eventually get stuck to the magnetic drain plug. Just a fun Easter Egg for the next guy that drops the pan. lol

[@davidboinonen9613]

I give my dad sooo much respect. He told me buy the 2v not the 3v. I replaced every gasket with him and put shorty headers, it spins tire! 35in tires spinnin free!! 😂

[@noobjitsu1743]

just send er!

[@markjmaxwell9819]

A great engine with lot's of performance potential if built right. And narrow enough to fit in most engine bays. Junkyards and performance enthusiasts take note.

[@hochhaul]

Wrong video, you're talking about the LS.

[@ronaldjensen8614]

Didn't mention dumpster motors. That would be a chebby.

[@hochhaul]

@@ronaldjensen8614 Hmm dont remeber plastic timing chain guides, 2 piece spark plugs, rattling cam phasers and burnt valve seats on any LS in recent years. Atleast nothing so bad it's a common problem like it is a 5.4 3 or 4 valve dumpster fires. It's sad that even today in 2019, 5.0's are STILL carry on the tradition of 5.4 cam phaser rattles. AND the gen 3 Coyote's have piston slap that is so bad it makes the early LS1 piston slap look (sound?) tame by comparison.

[@Boss-bf7ru]

@@hochhaul do you remember all the valve train failures that plague all the ls engines? What about the weak pistons and rods? Loss of compression? Extreme oil consumption? Spinning bearings? Blowing head gaskets? Did you forget about all these or were you hoping that nobody would mention them? You are just a brainwashed ls fanboy. I've seen so many low mileage ls engine failures it's sad. They are fucking garbage. But you'll never understand that because you're an idiot.

[@hochhaul]

@@Boss-bf7ru LMAO another dress wearing butthurt Ford fanboy all upset because the Mod motors have been trash for so long. Sorry little buddy! Weak pistons? Weak rods? Funny. Hot Rod mag took a 4.8L junkyard LS, threw a pair of turbos on it and made 1200 HP WITH FACTORY CAST PISTONS, STOCK HEADS, AND CAST CRANK NO LESS. www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/ Meanwhile if you even get close to 1000 HP with a 5.0 Coyote, you're stuck sleeving the block and welding gussets to try to keep the block from cracking. Even the oil pump has to be replaced with a billet part.

[@gidderman]

The actual highest failure point in the 5.4l 3V is the timing chain tensioners. The orginal plastic ones have a 'printed on' gasket that blows out and causes low oil pressure and slack in the timing chains. These 2 problems then domino onto other components. With slack in the chains, now the chains slap around and the phasers also hammer as they rotate on the cam lobes which causes them to smak back and forth, this coupled with low oil pressure damages the phasers, the camshaft and journels and the timing chain guides. The stock oil pumps are another point of weakness with a melling M340HV being the upgrade all these engines need. O yes and lets not forget about the roller followers which like to seize, and the spark plugs that like to break off in the heads. Great job ford, you are just like microsoft, creating garbage for the masses.

[@jamesbeckwith780]

Ford has updated the phasers many times, use only ford parts. eBay kits you’ll be doing it twice. Fords also updated the roller followers also. Smaller oiling hole aimed at the cam/ roller area for better lube. Updated plastic chain tensioner w/ better silicone gaskets.

[@tonyhernandez3873]

Exactly I have to remove 3 times and still makes a noise, new oil in the pump, a new chaser, tensioner line chains, lifter, roller flower, CVT water pump, and when I speed every 40 miller xh makes a whir noise, a sun I let the gas off noise disappear

[@meanodustino9563]

One big tip many over look is use a motorcraft filter! 🙄 mine had a tick and after an oil changed and ford filter. Gone. 5/30 and never heard it since

[@billy-waynejeffcoat4828]

Don't understand you people acting like a filter is the cause of your problem. Just use a quality filter, not your Fram junk. Motorcraft filters are not the best ones in the market just not the shittiest

[@jondoes7836]

Purchased a non running F250 with the 5.4 3v engine. Valve train was wiped out from a lack of lubrication. Oil restricters in head were plugged with oil filter media. Engine had the oil filter of death on it; a Fram.

[@upinarms5752]

i have the boss 5.4 with 4 valve heads biggest issue apart from power is the oil pump gears , need billet ones . has 512 lift on intake on the cam from the factory witch i thought was impressive

[@capri8225]

My old 2008 runs fine. 130k. 5w30 full synthetic oil. I think it's all in how they are maintained

[@DRZ4ME]

Capri 82 negative. Factory calls for 5w-20. After 100,000+ miles 5w30 won’t hurt it, it will actually help it run smooth.

[@kylevantassel7259]

I do quite a bit of 5.4 work and about half of what this cat said was true. I have many of them out there with over 300K on them and have seen some with over 500K . At the moment I have one torn down in the garage outside that has 90K on it and its junk from top to bottom. So whats the secret ? There is no secret , change the oil in the damn things and when it starts making noises fix it. That shouldnt take a rocket scientist to understand. I hear this constantly about how these motors were no good blah blah blah. The engines are awesome , people are just morons. So they dodge the bullet of having to spend the money on small repairs. Then they have a paper weight in the driveway that needs 5K sunk into it to make it run again. BRILLIANT !! If you do quality phasers and timing components (Better than stock) and upgrade that oil pump about when those stock phasers start making noise you are good for a very long time.

[@dr7477]

This. This is exactly why I bought a high mileage 2010 navigator for a song and put new latest oem timing set and melling 360hv pump. Also did roller followers and lash adj while in there and I expect that engine to run as long as I want it to.

[@angrysheepdog9744]

I did a complete timing/rockers/melling hi-vol/pressure replacement at 150k. It rips especially above 4k rpm but seems to lack power and uneven torque curve low-mid. I was thinking about doing a solid phaser lockout kit w/tune cause I read that the phasers are oil pressure sensitive and the new oil pump while providing lots of lube might be affecting the power curve. Do you have any experience or opinion on lockout kits? I plan on keeping this 2010.

[@kylevantassel7259]

@dr7477 absolutely. This is once instance where thr stupidity of human beings actually improves your life. You can pick really nice trucks up for pennies and have a reliable ride for a few hundred thousand.

[@kylevantassel7259]

@@angrysheepdog9744 I'm on the fence with the lockouts. The engines design just doesn't lend to power down low. Buy yourself a quality stall converter in the 3 thousand range and see how the old girl wakes up

[@angrysheepdog9744]

@@kylevantassel7259 Do you have any experience with hotter cams, I saw Comp Cams offers 3 levels for the 3v? what about a stroker kit on a rebuild? I switched to Valvoline 5-30 extended full syn and seems to stay clean and very little metal flake on the drain magnet.

[@THETOPGLOCK]

I see you upgraded to the cast 2v tensioners. I think between the cast tensioners and the HV oil pump the 3v can be as rock solid as the 2v was.

[@csaleen302]

Freedom racing sells a revised version of the tensioners that are ratchet style not oil pressure driven. Also buy the phasers that are locked in the fully advanced position and that motor will run foreever

[@07Ranger]

@@csaleen302 I would stay away from Freedom Racing. Bought 2 new Motorcraft phasers and had them installed by a Ford tech that does them very regularly. One phaser broke into 3 pieces less than 10k miles and would not warranty it. Their "ford" person stated it broke because the new bolt was not used. I asked the guy, why would I not use the new bolt that came with it and how could you even tell by just the pictures I sent. Needless to say I was $240 in the hole.

[@lpz3665]

I got my engine for Powertrain. Its my brother's truck I put in the engine a 5.4 Triton. Hours cost a little more but I don't care it's well worth it that engines been going from Dallas to San Antonio on a weekly or bi-weekly trip pulling a trailer without any flaws. I used to use Jasper but they wanted $7,000 for the same. I will definitely use them again. Great customer service

[@gorybonghit3211]

how has the engine held up since? i recently put one in

[@jesusm4656]

@@gorybonghit3211 how is it running ?

[@gorybonghit3211]

@@jesusm4656 my first engine blew up after a few thousand kms then got it replaced and the second one was doing okay, but it didn’t have any of the things the 5.4 needs like a high volume oil pump. I ended up selling it and now I drive a 76 f250 with a 460 and a zf5. Haven’t looked back at that dumpster fire of an engine..

[@timdixon9224]

Even with the noise it would make I wish they had been gear drive and locked at 4 degrees advanced. Forget trying to get over 17 mpg we need trucks that can pull and haul .

[@justinmoore7410]

Mine has 200,000 miles and I’m trying to decide to either just rebuild the 5.4 with the upgraded goodies or find a 5.0 with the trans to swap in

[@victorluna2009]

My 06 f150 lariat 5.4 has 283k miles ..still runs great...only shakes a little...but it's done that since day one...I change the oil every 3k miles

[@ripfletching]

Thanks for doing a Ford video!!!! Get tired of just ls over and over. Do some coyote videos

[@blakkliquor7315]

Cam phaser lock out kit and a tune works to

[@bowslap]

How odd that this pops up in my feed a week after ordering a 5.4 3v from Powertrain for my 2009 F250 4x4….though mine was more costly due to specifying “full tin”.

[@DUNEATV]

Put almost 200k on an expedition. Original everything! Ford builds a great truck!

[@michaelwerbick]

220k on 05 expedition. did timing job as it jumped and mechanic did an improper install....ugh... 3cyl down putting a remanufactured in as I type. I live in New England...now... and bought the truck new in AZ yep, no rust so ill keep it.

[@firstnamelastname7688]

206k runs good, I love my truck

[@hudsondonnell444]

Change the oil every 3,000 miles don't go 5,000 or more.

[@republicansareoffendedeasi821]

Change it every thousand miles and it might last a few more years most likely not.

[@fermi3294]

That's ridiculous, save for a better truck. I would say to sell any 5.4 3v truck but you wont get shit for it and for a reason.

[@charlesson2503]

Lucas saves those motors I put it in every oil change it mostly shuts up the ticking and prevents it from ticking a lot when you first start it up

[@chicanopowers4938]

Charles Son using 5-30 instead of 5-20 motor oil provides better protection.

[@stephengordon8968]

Change the oil sooner than later ,oil is alot cheaper than an engine !

[@Wildersport]

Fords recommend change intervals are obviously meant to encourage frequent truck, or at least engine replacement. No more than 3k miles!

[@issaredneck758]

My 3v 5.4 has 189k on it. Has a slight tapping sounds, sounds like a lifter tapping but gas mileage is fair considering I have 35s and strong as an ox. Will bark on 4 tires on aspahlt in 4 low

[@issaredneck758]

Fordman8011 thanks. I will have to do that, I'm no mechanic, I'm a roofer but I'll have to do that.

[@muskokamike127]

@@issaredneck758 Use a screwdriver pressed to your ear to determine where it is coming from. I will bet $1000 it's on the passenger side. It is the last to receive oil. If it's at the front of the valve cover, it's probably phaser. If it's farther back, it's like Fordman said: probably a cam follower. If it's a cam follower, your engine is pooched. $2000 per head to replace plus the cost of the head. The cams can't be replaced, they are milled to that particular head.

[@issaredneck758]

Muskoka Mike it's on the driver side. it's gotten louder since I bought it, I think it's gonna blow soon. Which doesn't matter really, I'm buying a different block to swap with it.

[@muskokamike127]

@@issaredneck758 I'd bet it was a blown tensioner then. That side gets oil before anything else so it isn't due to wear.

[@issaredneck758]

Muskoka Mike this is the first Ford I've owned. The tapping comes and goes and I haven't found out a pattern yet as to what causes it to come and go.

[@dab-pre-ss-ionaustin1986]

Heck when my 400k 5.4 e250 goes imma hollar at you guys definitely

[@ronaldjensen8614]

Only 198,000 on my 2004 f150. All paid for long ago. By the time it goes south I'll know whether to lock out the cam phaser thing or swap the 6.2 gas in its place. (385hp)

[@kingdaniel3519]

Lock outs don't fix anything. You want to keep it going, replace the oil pump with a high volume pump.

[@ronaldjensen8614]

Check that. 201,000 on it now and still going strong.

[@Mr18Chapin]

Is it normal to have some slack on the right side timing chain on a rebuilt engine? I just purchased a rebuilt 5.4 engine but it has some slack on the right chain. Im wondering if its because there is not oil pressure being builg until the engine is running?

[@Icecold0505]

5-4-3 the Bain of my existence

[@Dezzylyricz]

Should I look into a used 08 f150 nitemare with the Roush supercharger... heard of lot of issues with the block...

[@technicalitems731]

I’m at almost 300k miles on original 2004 3v 5.4. Yes, it started ticking. I unplugged the connector for the cam phasers. A little power loss and check engine light comes on. But still going. I bought the truck nearly new. It was a repo and way under 15k miles. Can’t remember. One big thing I messed up on was not realizing the sun roof had drain tubes. Tubes broke off and fell back in to the rocker panels. Also, probably pine needle and tree pollen clogged tubes. Rust. And I’m in Georgia. And the third brake light gasket. Truck is nice though. Crew cab. Black leather. Console. Lariat. 4x4. White paint. Idk. A new truck is mega money.

[@theoriginalcttheoriginalct6938]

Dang. Mine has been ticking for 100k miles. I guess I need it looked at.

[@Greighps]

Theoriginalct Theoriginalct Ive had a ticking in mine since I bought the truck at around 60k miles, just changed the oil and never noticed any issues with it. But, recently, the ticking slightly changed at around 190k miles and now, a month later the engine completely took a shit. And am now looking for a reman engine. But have decided to just go directly with the FOMOCO remanned 5.4. For 500 bucks more than this (including the return of the core) you get an engine directly from the OEM, with a 3 year/ unlimited mileage warranty. So keep that in mind if you do decide to get ahead of the curve, and replace the engine.

[@theoriginalcttheoriginalct6938]

@@Greighps -Right on. I would read the details of the warranty to be sure. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the warranty only applies if changing oil at the stealership, etc. Absent any nonsense, I might really be able to get behind a rebuilt Ford crate motor. After all, the last one they built has about 300k on it without any problem other than my normal abuse and spark plugs. Although I carry an extra, I think I'm still on the factory fan belt. Lol!

[@Greighps]

Theoriginalct Theoriginalct yea, there could definitely be something I looked over or missed, but on the ford website it says basically anything that was delivered with the long block is covered, no (at least not many) questions asked. And maybe I’m just stubborn, but I like ford, and I like their products even though I tediously maintained the engine, and it finally gave out on me. But it’s whatever, trying to by a new four door 4x4 today is fucking laughable at what they want for one. So hopefully I get another 200k outa this one, by that time maybe Ill hit the lotto, and can pick up a new one without feeling like I was taken 😅.

[@theoriginalcttheoriginalct6938]

@@Greighps - I'm with ya! Based on my experience with the '11-14, my bent truck would likely be an '04-'08 with less miles. I've seen all of the trucks, and not one has come close in the "reliability under extreme abuse" category. Good luck with your rig!

[@Greighps]

Theoriginalct Theoriginalct I absolutely agree with that. But alright man, best of luck with yours, also!

[@auskip07]

If your hope is replacing the engine.... thats not hope.

[@Yosemite_Sam]

Do you stress the importance of frequent oil/filter changes because of the oil passage ways or galleries that are too small? Sludge build-up is common on most poorly maintained engines but it is FATAL on these. Change every 5,000 miles.

[@tw4226]

Got a f250 04 xlt at 54,000 miles now has over 222,000 + only 1 coil changed. Rest of coils and plugs are from 2004

[@sasquatchbill2410]

315,000 on my 5.4l still no tick unless use cheap gas or needs oil change. Is a little tick for a couple sec. When first start but goes away I change oil every 5,000 and use 5w20 might try the 5w30 after reading a comment from someone

[@xassasiantorx]

THAT 5.4 3V HAS LS POWER POTENTIAL.

[@JHorvathCinema]

Is this really true? I haven’t heard any real cases of the phaser itself failing. It’s usually a cascade failure caused by the seals on the tensioner going, which accelerates the wear on the chain guides and ultimately clogs the oil pickup with bits of plastic, burning up the top end. The consensus is to do a timing job early and replace everything with the updated parts and high volume oil pump.

[@steezymk8815]

I didn’t think there was any fans of this engine to start with. 😂

[@andrewhatton1606]

XII- RECOIL -IIX I love 4.6

[@luciankristov6436]

I don't think there is any actually

[@paulsosa1872]

What cam phasers do you recomend?

[@miggleoso]

I would say go with the motorcraft ones it cost me about $225 each. I also replaced the chain,tensioner, chain guides, and melling m360HV oil pump. In total cost me just under $900 and now its purrs like a kitten.

[@churchbryan35]

If you all need a 5.4 3 valve 05' F-150 project truck for the show, I'll let you borrow mine....for the upgrades..putting VVT solenoids in as we speak...lol gotta do a whole timing set, and Melling 120 oil pump in....would love new heads...im looking into the 05' mustang for swap parts, any help would be nice....

[@tharedpotatowwhale]

My 07 ford just hit 150k miles. Should probably look at getting a new block

[@WilliamFiler]

292K orig motor not great w oil changes, but ran a bit of Marvels through it a few times. K and N filter, not sure why I am so lucky, but it has climbed 80 to Tahoe at full throttle many times. I think opening wide up on the climb has helped it last, sounds weird.

[@eharris6347]

I put 250k on my 3v ran oil stabilizer and drove it mostly wide open all the time and lots of idle time , think the triton engines are good , they just need to be really kept up on oil changes ,

[@scottieteague2666]

William Filer I have a 2010 on 33s, live in Reno/sparks and work in the Bay Area Cali... I’ve made that trip over the mountain around Tahoo a “few” times... I as well run her strong 90+ most of the way... pisses those expensive sport cars off. But they get skerd in the curves... ol Ruby Red digs in and pulls away

[@kingdaniel3519]

Replace the oil pump to keep it going to a million.

[@bobbybass7518]

Anyone know what bumpers those are 😂 and if they make them for the 04-08 models

[@scottlambeth5478]

Really there' a better solution to the cam phaser failure in the 3 valve mod motors. Install a phaser lockout kit. This does come with a downside and it slightly reduces the powerband, but in the long run it's barley noticeable, it prolongs the life of the engine, and it removes the most common failure point of these engines.

[@williamvaughan1218]

Why not use the variable cam timming to improve peformance with aftermarket tuning and a peformance cam?

[@user-mk4se3nu5z]

@@williamvaughan1218 u gotta get the updated phasers oil pump ect and ur good

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Which lockout kit did you use? I was thinking about doing one with a hotter cams

[@schmidtj157]

I bought a 2004 triton a sexy truck with 146k miles on it, the previous owner just take care of appearance but not of good maintenance on time and bumm , after 10k miles I decided bought a rebuild engine 0miles for $3.500. Plus accessories for replaced and labor everything cost me $6000 . Yes is a lot money but unfortunately I can't find mechanics to fix the engine for a decent cost , so the truck cost me $ 8000 + $ 6000 new engine,, this was a good decision??? I hope

[@monsterenergyfreak91]

Can I order one of these engines with a mild cam installed

[@connorthiede9552]

So for anyone who was miss leaded here. The 5.4 when running good will have a tick or when it has an exhaust leak. The tic will be super loud and noticeable

[@jimstafford3694]

My God, I hope English is not you primary language.

[@jamesrichardson645]

yeah nearly all engines have a tick, any engine with an injector will tick.

[@chrisk3195]

Ford oil filters and 5w30 with 5k service intervals!

[@josephwiese3937]

Every 3k do oil change and use only Motorcraft filters w/5w 20 cooler climate/season 5w 30 warmer climate/season.

[@fermi3294]

That's for every motor. 5.4 3v are just junk.

[@boery87]

@@josephwiese3937 i drive a 2002 F350 Xl crewcab longbed V10 with a 8 inch lift and 38.7 inch tires, I only use semi syntetic oil and change it every 30.000km or 20.000 miles i drive it on LPG ( propane so it doesnt polute as much as only petrol) in the netherlands never had any problems with the engine , timing chaine or tensioners an the truck had 240.000 mls ( and with the correction of the tires its around 400.000km ) still love the truck very good gas milage for a big truck with v10 ( average on propane is 16.4MPG)

[@Odin3v]

@@fermi3294 Ok chevy fangirl

[@07Ranger]

My brother bought one of these Powertrain motors for his 06 F-150 FX4 and had to spend more money fixing the timing. These motors come with the aftermarket timing components instead of Motorcraft. Anyone that knows anything about these motors know the aftermarket parts are junk. He spent phone call after phone call trying to get some reimbursement from the company after buying the Motorcraft parts. I would rather just buy the Ford long block for $1200 more and no I'm not gonna have to worry about the internals.

[@gorybonghit3211]

any updates?

[@warrenosborne1748]

Ford should have done a recall on this and fixed it for free years ago, they still haven't!!! They have had years to do the right thing and make it 100% reliable for the people that believe in their reliability and spend their hard-earned dollars for a "reliable pickup"

[@williamvaughan1218]

Why? I have 215000 miles on mine and not one engine problem. Never missed a oil change every 5000 miles using ford filters and oil

[@jeffm1752]

Its not the phazers it's the oil pump ... no sufficient oil volume or pressure phazers run dry fro a few second everytime you start it . Same as the rest of the valve terrain . Ford knows but dont care Class action suite pending

[@DFX4509B]

Pending? Ford already got hit with a class-action suit over the 3-valve's shortcomings.

[@rambosaurusrex449]

So you're not going to explain what the fix or upgrade in the cam phasers actually do... got it

[@ghilliemanreviews]

Just bought an 04 Lariat with the 5.4. Makes ticking noise but drives fine. The previous owner had transmission rebuilt at 130,000 and it has 150,000 now. I basically stole the truck for what I paid and how nice it is. So far looks good but I want it to last. Should I change to 5-30? And what’s some small daily tips to make this engine last forever?

[@ghilliemanreviews]

Forgot to mention I use 5-20 high mileage oil but I want to put the best in it.

[@fasttl]

Your truck sounds just like the one I just bought a week ago. 291,000, rebuilt trans at 160,000, 1 owner since new before me. Did you ever get any tips?

[@Chase_01]

My 2004 3 valve has 315,000 miles all original

[@FreeLander5280]

What's your oil and intervals??

[@MrBigmike7118]

I have my father in laws, 06 F150 Lariat and it has only 35k miles, we plan on keeping the truck. Should I do this as preventative medicine, or wait?

[@jeckart1986]

Had all these components replaced as well as ford racing followers and lash adjusters at 154k. Also they recommend using 5w30 oil. Engine should last another 150k.

[@workingshlub8861]

i have 135k plow miles on mine and no problems....oil change every 3k is the key..

[@jaredmayer3960]

Wow...the phasers never go bad. Total lie you’ll grenade the engine that way. The phaser and the oil to the bearings is 2 separate issues...It’s the oil pump. You need minimum 35 psi at idle. Use 5-40 Diesel engine oil and you’ll never have a problem. Mines got 315,000 miles on it and has never been taken apart and doesn’t tick.

[@The412Devil]

The plastic guides could absolutely never last 300k

[@jaredmayer3960]

@@The412Devil they do…it’s still running and has timing chain tension, 360,000 now…

[@puprilla]

My 05 5.4 3v has 220k on it

[@danny-1424]

Do y'all have 4.6 3 valves

[@williamhardes8081]

is anybody able to tell me if this is the same 5.4 3V that we got in Australia? also, are aftermarket parts for easy to get in the USA?

[@LoganXHebda]

Idk about lack of oil circulation when the vcts fail. Mine has 166,000 miles and pulls like a bald eagle

[@muskokamike127]

and they do fail quite often.

[@kingdaniel3519]

The problem is the factory oil pump is weak. Replace that with a high volume pump and that corrects 90% of the problems.

[@muskokamike127]

@@kingdaniel3519 Yes, they do need to be replaced but the thing is: you have to tear most of the engine down to get to it. Then you're into the "might as well do the timing chain, phasers , guides etc" while you've gone that far and then you're into the price of another engine. A new high volume oil pump solves some of the problems, not 90%. The number 1 issue that an oil pump won't solve is the singular oil passage that goes through the left bank, then through the crank, then the right bank ending up at the right phaser. Which is why that side fails first in 99% of the cases. It's the last to receive oil and by then, it's picked up all kinds of contaminants. The kicker with the 5.4L is the whole system is designed around oil pressure and Ford put in a shitty oil pump for the first 3 years and 2.5 million engines.

[@Akhazmat907]

This video was extremely

[@honestspirit56]

Just hit 180k on my 5.4 3V And the procharger is running well also at 8 years in.

[@justin2morton1]

Darts on 5.4 triton?

[@justin2morton1]

Can you put race heads like afr or

[@honestspirit56]

Sorry for not seeing this earlier! Absolutely you can. Even a set of ported PI heads wakes up the 5.4. And the 3V wakes up nicely at 8psi of boost. Watch those stock rods closely when getting above 500 wheel horsepower. A good set of rods will let you get 750-800 without issue. It’s a great platform with a few mods.

[@P71ScrewHead]

@@honestspirit56 i agree, no need to swap to a junked up ls..

[@angrysheepdog9744]

@@honestspirit56 can I get 500hp from my 3v with new heads/tune/exhaust? Injectors? TB? tnx

[@tonyhernandez3873]

Can You send me a link to The cash out 😅

[@xassasiantorx]

ALL OF THE MODS NEEDED TO PUT IT INTO A CDAN4 PCM. I HAVE DONE. -BILL FISHER

[@mikegonzalez9971]

U can put phaser lock kit

[@hochhaul]

Fuel economy penalty.

[@kingdaniel3519]

Lock outs don't fix anything. Replace the oil pump and fix the problem.

[@hochhaul]

@@YoungOzzy432 Excellent? Not quite. But they can be serviceable as long as genuine components are used, tensioner gaskets replace, and provided the cam journals aren't excessively worn.

[@JohnJennings-cn3sj]

I prefer the 5.4 2v I bought a Junker from a Mexican junkyard but for some reason it hauled ass out ran plenty of newer trucks even a first gen raptor in it

[@forterierocks]

Great engines when taken care of but when they do grenade expensive!

[@muskokamike127]

expensive to repair ANY part on them since you basically have to dismantle the entire top end to get at anything.

[@tmaq9726]

@@muskokamike127 even the shitty gm 5.3 with afm system collapsed lifters on one side means replacement of both sides, that involves taking heads off. Consumes oil and knock noise, yes some may get lucky with no issues yet, but its a problem thats out there with those.

[@muskokamike127]

@@tmaq9726 Yeah,after my third visit to the garage with my 5.4 I asked him about moving to GM trucks and he pointed to 3 5.3 with AFM that needed to be rebuilt. He said the same thing: the standard 5.3 is great, AFM ones suck as bad as the Fords. I was just talking to another buddy who is a ford guy and he belongs to a Ford Truck forum and he's seen heads go for $200 so he's keeping an eye out for me. I might just swap the heads myself.

[@jessereeves7954]

I have a 2006 F-150 With 5.4 liter 3 valve engine with 174,000 Miles. It still goes down the road silent as a kitten at 80 miles an hour. I bought it new with 4 miles on it, I use a Motor Craft or K&N Oil Filter; don't go cheap on the oil and filter . I Use 5-20 W Motor Craft Synthetic Blend Motor Oil . I try not to go past 4,400 miles Between Oil Changes with a Maximum of 4,800 miles between oil changes. Remember that oil is also a coolant and not just a lubricant so it more than pays to keep fresh oil in to try and prevent some of the repairs that this guy is talking about.

[@daltonweston7531]

This guy wants to sell cheap parts for the engine that will make it worse then stock and ruin your engine

[@jessereeves7954]

@@daltonweston7531 , Exactly they tell you its a needs a new engine . Even Ford Dealers will try this scam. When you purchase one of these rebuilds , it is a crap shoot at best.

[@TheActiveModderz]

is a 2001 5.4 3v? or 2v?

[@cdk3283]

2v

[@MrWorldasmaya]

$3,300.00 wha? OEM Latest Revisions will cost 1/2 that price

[@fasttl]

Can you point me toward a source at that price?

[@joshwilliams6910]

The 4.6 is better because there is no aftermarket support for the 5.4 at all except for cams. The 5.4 is a boat anchor unless it’s a 4v

[@baitse7676]

Updated tensioners are no bueno. They overtension the chain and cause the guides to fail prematurely.

[@johnpyle8027]

Only $3,300 not counting labor... He said OE cam phasers, is that the same as OEM? We have no way of knowing. FordTechMakuloco's KZbin channel he says no. He also gives a link showing you what to buy. Back to $3,300 without labor and it may happen again, I wonder what it would cost to convert it to a 6.2 and use a Raptor wiring harness. Then you'd have something! My 5.4 has 102k on it. Right after I got it I found out they are crap so I have babied mine along since 2006. If I ever do buy a new truck it may be a 92 - 96 F 250 regular cab with an injected 460 and 4:10.1 gears that I restore. I bet I could do it for $20k if I found a decent one. I have a friend that owns a body shop that I could do all the grunt work in.

[@ivnpnz8184]

Slight ticking noise 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrBlackbutang]

Should have been 2 exhaust valves instead of intake!

[@mustford1188]

My 08 3v has 200k miles and only the transmission failed my dad

[@ELKOBRA03]

I bought my 2004 5.4 with 240k and now 275k

[@0rvelazqu]

My 2004 Expedition is at 243k lol and still runs smooth

[@fredgermain6279]

280,893 miles on mine… total loss 😂

[@ToxicMisfitsYt]

Some fans just got dropped on their heads as a kid

[@302hobronco]

These are horrible. Im ford through and through but having one of these engines and working on them regularly is a pain. Tensioner failures, guide failures, phaser failures, roller follower failures, one thing after another. Id take the 2v or newer over the three valve.

[@kingdaniel3519]

If you bothered to do any research on these engines you'd know that all that is a symptom of a bad oil pump.

[@kingdaniel3519]

@@joeerlacher69 Melling HV or Ford Performance. I went with the 360HV.

[@gorybonghit3211]

@@joeerlacher69 how is it holding up? i did the same to mine minus pained manifolds and studs

[@scottkucinski4967]

What about the tensioners that fail and make chain slap

[@muskokamike127]

or the wonderful PLASTIC guides break? or any number of minor parts that fail destroying the engine. Specially the 10 cent o ring on the tensioner.

[@commanderstud2417]

They have updated parts

[@scottkucinski4967]

@@commanderstud2417 I sold it I'm done with Fords

[@commanderstud2417]

@@scottkucinski4967 yeah i feel ya man.

[@muskokamike127]

@@commanderstud2417 ​ Daniel Hinkle but the single oil passage is THE number on flaw that causes all the issues with the 5.4 and I can guarantee you: no rebuilder is addressing that. Yes, they use updated and improved parts, but that's like putting lipstick on a pig: at the end of the day, it's still a pig. Are they still using plastic guides? yes. FAIL. What should happen is they cast them out of aluminum (the molding process isn't that more costly or time consuming) and the issue of broken guides is taken care of permanently. Melling guides are (arguably) the best, and they cost $22.00 each x 4 = $88.00. To have my engine last 300,000 miles trouble free, I'd pay $100 each easy. Does anyone make them? nope. VCT solenoids, $100 each and they regularly fail due to piss poor design. I'd pay double that $200 to have my engine last 300,000 miles trouble free. The list goes on. If you're going to charge me $1000 for shitty parts, and it costs me $3000 to put them in (at the dealer) then I'm willing to pay 100% more to have something that I won't ever have to do again. Someone was arguing with me the other day about how "new" engines last so much longer than the old cast iron block engines. I called bullshit even when the cited some study. You see, I don't consider an engine "lasting longer" if you have to put $5000 into it every 100,000 miles (Or where I live, 100,000 kms).

[@Tegridynews]

Navigator 4 valve swap

[@hochhaul]

Then you have to deal with worn valve seats and guides.

[@twportre8809]

@@hochhaul Never once heard anyone having that problem. Besides if he's pulling a Navi motor, I'm quite sure that's part of the plan anyways is to go through it

[@hochhaul]

@@twportre8809 Then you need to start paying attention because 4-valve mod motors are notorious for it.

[@twportre8809]

@@hochhaul again , never once heard of it. I worked for Ford during that whole era and like 3-4 came in for that issue and it was mainly due to them dogging the shit out of it. If it was that big of a problem there would have been recalls all over the place. Just folks beating the shit out of it. We still have our navigator around 210,000 miles... no issues

[@hochhaul]

@@twportre8809 LMFAO oh right. Because Ford recalls major engine design issues like junk cam phasers, brittle timing chain guides, 2.7 ecoboosts with bad valve guides, cracked Coyote blocks, oversized Coyote cyl bores, etc.

[@Wildersport]

The 5.4L 2v Triton engines would spit out spark plugs, the 5.4L 3V Triton engines would keep them in no matter what, and chew up that stupid VCT system. One of the main issues iwth the VCT system as I understand it, and I could be wrong, is insufficient oil flow / pressure. The updating Melling pumps fix this problem, mostly.... I have an '04 waiting to be repowered, and honestly, if I could get it through smog, I would build a 351c with modern EFI instead of this 5.4 junk. I have no plans on blowing 50K on a new truck. That's just a waste of money. I'll have to keep plugging away at this older rig, and should it need to go to the scrap pile, I will just find another old rig to keep going with...

[@madmod]

The npi 5.4 has no plug spitting problem and can be used with the pi cam and truck intake manifold to make identical power with likely more torque. Early navigators used the Npi 5.4 2v. You could also just pull a late 05+ 4.6 2v cylinder head which have fixed the thread problem as well.

[@Odin3v]

ok boomer.

[@madmod]

@@Odin3v Christ you people still exist?

[@Wildersport]

@@Odin3v try again Skippy. I'm no boomer.

[@Odin3v]

@@Wildersport no you're still a boomer. Not my problem if you are unaware of being able to understand the context.

[@StarryDynamo88]

97 expedition has 312k miles on it , oil changes regular oil or blend but changed at 5-6k miles with frame tough guard then now ultra fram xg2 . My 10 navigator I will put HV oil pump , new chain , updated design tensioners , guides, updated vct valves etc etc. Key is oil changes and if you don't have money , use marvel mystery oil to help boost oil flow volume, use good filter, check oil , once it's dirty dark or close to 5k ,change it. I'll admit the engineers where taking crazy pills but they design the motor around oil flow,psi, volume etc, they didn't care about general public of not having enough money or slacking on oil changes..poor pm car care etc human habits. Run it till it's dead mentality. Also don't use marvel mystery oil in the fuel for newer cars I'd say 06+ 02 sensors will die!!! Lol

[@luciankristov6436]

This turd is the reason the 5.4 got a bad reputation. The 4v is bulletproof and the 2v is bulletproof with 03/04 8 thread heads.

[@Odin3v]

Its not a turd actually. Just bad engineering on some parts. 3vs are actually very good motors minus the factory issues.