Hopelessly Rusted Hornby Hall Class | Salvage or Scrap?

[@SamsTrains]

Check out the Ebay listing here if you want to give it a go yourself: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266489955865 (It's a new listing as the old one had the wrong photo!)

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

is the engine alive ?😰

[@sodor_dan-da-man]

is the ebay listing for the model worked on or the 0-4-0T at £14.99 that was used to identify the loco at 1min 54 seconds? lol

[@williamtacey7770]

That’s painting GWR green or BR black livery dressing Hall Class locomotive

[@MrBnsftrain]

I'm surprised you're selling this, as you didn't sell the other one that was 'scrapped'

[@xaviers2ndaccount354]

@@MrBnsftrainmaybe its because the other one was a small loco that sam doesn't really care about

[@lindaoffenbach]

Cracking episode again Sam. Mission impossible here perhaps. Some time could have been saved by having some soapy water in a lunchbox on the loft and forgo putting the motors back into the box, but still an unfeasible job possibly. Oh well, you could always restore it properly in your own time. A 1966 loco just is too precious to be left as scrap, we thought. Those are so simply brought back to life justly 🙂

[@williamscates3915]

It's actually from more like 1978. It's Hornby Railways as its got the coarse gear and plated wheels, as well as the waxy body look

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

We have 1 more episode left to go Sam, I can't wait to see how that one comes out. Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@SamsTrains]

Yep one more - that will be the last ever! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

you ment the last engine i hope hi will be okey😨😰😱🥶

[@Gondarth]

I'm not great at recognising model locomotive designs or names, but I'm pretty sure I had one of these Hall locos when I was a kid. The tenders look identical and was what gave it away. It belonged to my grandfather, I think the motor died around 1999, and since my dad didn't know much about servicing engines, we sorta just left it to gather dust. I do remember he removed the bogey wheels for some reason, but I'm pretty sure it had a dead motor...

[@williamsquires3070]

Hi Sam. I noticed at the beginning when you tried to test-run the loco, that the two metal rods (rusty, of course) on the Fireman’s side that come out of the cylinder casting were not parallel; this would cause the sliding piece to which the connecting rods were attached, to bind up on the end farthest from the cylinder. Even a good, brand new motor wouldn’t be able to overcome that sort of binding! Also, save that worm gear before scrapping the loco, and put it on one of the good motors you have (or a nice coreless motor with a matching shaft diameter) so you’ll have one ready to go next time! 😅 The binding is probably what killed the motor the first time; that’s why the commutator was all gunked up with carbon and oxidation - it got too hot. The weak magnets didn’t help the cause, either. 😢 I’d feed the motor, rusty side rods, rusty couplings, and the engine body shell to the evil scrap man, and keep the frame, wheels, pickups, and all of the tender. You can clean up the wheels later and use them in another 3D-printed (Hall class) loco project! 😀💙

[@xavierluthenumberblocksfan2424]

The cylinder problem is normal. I remember seeing a good one in a video and its cylinder rods were also not parallel

[@1471SirFrederickBanbury]

Great video as always Sam! These locos may be old, but they were well made for the price and can be bought for cheap!

[@LocoMadAlex]

Wow Sam, than you so much! Your channel is so good and you inspired me to make my own channel, keep up the good work!

[@DJ_K666]

Hi Sam. Have you thought of using one of those glass Gü pudding pots to stop small parts going missing? Very handy indeed (and tasty too - try the Lemon cheesecake one) I've just resurrected a Lima Western that had a chassis in 3 parts. That was pretty infuriating at times hehe

[@damianinCanadaTT-OO]

To me having a failure makes it more real. Good for you being so honest

[@ohiovalleyrailfan]

I see what appears to be Athearn Vista Dome coaches at 5:50. Couple this with what looked like an MTH loco box in the background of the turbo train video. Sam, is there something you're hiding that you'd like to share with the class?

[@robkleinherenbrink5690]

Hey Sam I just want to say that I am really enjoying the series of Salvage or Scrap. Keep it up!

[@PORT_OF_PAR_2572]

Great video Sam I love this series the hall class is a lovely loco and I’m glad you could save it 😀

[@srajfnly2]

Albert Hall got scrapped

[@PORT_OF_PAR_2572]

Yes I know glad Sam could save the model@@srajfnly2

[@srajfnly2]

@@PORT_OF_PAR_2572 the model went to the evil scrap man

[@raventhescottishredengine2005]

It’s been a while since most engines have been salvaged while only 2 engines were scrapped.

[@Jimyjames73]

Hello Sam U have 2 similar Locos - A GW No. 5934 Kneller Hall & a GWR No. 4003 Lode Star but neither of them are not going to be scrapped!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂

[@politicsandtrains]

What are the blocks that you are sitting the engine on?

[@WoodenRailwayFan1234Production]

Just curious. What tool do u use to get the coupling rods off?

[@FrogFood8587]

I feel bad for the so called "scrap man" everybody thinks he's evil but I think he's really just misunderstood. First of all that nickname is imposing, like his name is Jerry, c'mon you can at least let him have his dignity while he's being held against his will forever confined to a cabinet in your basement, made to be a puppet in your sick games for your amusement, profiting off his suffering. Sustained on nothing but the occasional broken model train, look at the guy he's clearly malnourished, he's barely able to utter out a few words before the door slams in his face, and those are the worst bloodshot eyes I've ever seen they're practically glowing might wanna get that checked out my G. I am utterly uphauled at the behavior displayed in this show, a perfect example of a cruel narcissist taking advantage and profiting off of the lesser man, whilst mascaraing as but an innocent model train restorationist. This behavior is downright unacceptable and I will be starting a campaign to free the scrapman from your captivity and thus the deplorable conditions he is being held in. I will see you my friend, in court! (THIS IS A JOKE) Please no hard feelings, I didn’t mean anything I said. I really like your videos.

[@SamsTrains]

Definitely don't feel bad for the Scrapman - if he had his body, he'd still be destroying real steam locomotives. His occasional feeding is an act of mercy on my part, and I'm doing the whole world of railways a favour by keeping him in the cupboard. I take his custody very seriously, as I've seen first hand what he's capable of. Please reconsider the court case, you really don't know what you're saying! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@PhillipBrodginski]

At 1:54, it looks like there was a goof with the loco class. Says 0-4-0T, might have gotten mixed up with the other remaining model. Incidentally, I have one of those horrible Life Like 0-4-0T models. Ran poorly even when new and the gears in pretty much every single one I've seen are cracked.

[@CaseyJonesNumber1]

While the Tri-ang Hornby Hall is indeed a 1960s design, your particular model is rather later. The Great Western livery version (they were previously BR), with chromed wheel tyres were introduced in the early 1970s by Hornby Railways (post Tri-ang Hornby), and these had a very glossy finish. The 'satin' finish, and plastic worm wheels as on your model was introduced in the late 1970s and continued as such into the 1980s.

[@jimflagg4009]

Scrap man is looking hungry today.

[@MetroStudios]

I’ve been waiting for so long to see this happen!!!

[@EsotericArctos]

I find it amusing each time I here the "I am the scrap man" with the voice inflection sounding like he is questioning his own title :) As long as the worm has the same gear pattern, the brass ones will work in place of a nylon one. I have a feeling they were the same gearing. It's a shame you didn't get this going. I think if you'd had time to remagnetise it, the motor would have come back to life properly.

[@rjc0234]

This series is incredible!

[@RGJTrains]

love watching these salvage videos thanks Sam

[@garyjardine9882]

I think you may of put yourself under too much pressure. I really enjoy your videos I am not into the hobby myself but watching your videos resurrects childhood memories

[@DoubleX8620]

Such a shame it didn't make it. I recently got my hands on a Lord Westwood Hall and I restored it to working condition. She's as lively as ever. From my memory I never had a Tri-ang loco go out as you said, they were built to last. I do have a hint though. Recently I saw an American youtuber restore HO trains from being dead to working again. He used a fibreglass pencil to clean the commutator. I wondered if it works and bought one. I tried it on the Hall and it cleaned a very dirty commutator within 30 seconds. Prior to that I used cotton buds which worked well, but took a lot longer. Maybe if you consider doing another season of salvage and scrap you could get one to save a lot of time cleaning the commutator? It worked wonders for me and all my locos I cleaned with it run a lot better than those I used the cotton buds. Also, that last locomotive is gonna get interesting. It's a Lifelike Tea Kettle and it's an absolute dog most of the times. I was very lucky to buy one for 25£ in mint condition. Hopefully the last member of the season makes it out alive. Great video, eventhough we had one casualty.

[@pokemontrainermichael5551]

I like the story about the scrap man that you told us and you can mix water and barking soda together and it will remove rust

[@greggorytame6672]

1:54 0-4-0T? are you sure about that, Sam?

[@trainman86trainstramsandmore]

Oh well, this one wasn't to be. Hoping for future salvage or scrap engines to have a better future! Great vid Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know - most of them turn out okay... this one really was done for! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@stevenhaneklaus8087]

Nice episode as always

[@nameless5413]

Would the motor re-magnetisation be able to cause this or is that something to do with the other motor related fault? For once the challenge was greater, establishing proper risk now, good. Sad that the specific model died but at least now i feel more tension when time happens to run close.

[@bluglouk]

I'm hoping Mr. E. Scrapman's err, "waste product" is spare parts for other locos in the future?

[@johnjephcote7636]

The reiable X04 motors that I used in my scratch-built locos from 1966 onwards have all had to go in favour of modern can motors. On a modern controller the motors cut out every 30 seconds. Only an old analog controller.would work.

[@raventhescottishredengine2005]

I guess Albert Hall is the first steam engine to be scrapped by the evil scrap man.

[@SamsTrains]

haha it could well be yeah - think it was only the Dock Shunter before wasn't it? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Goofyboi2002]

and those are really good DC controllers

[@raventhescottishredengine2005]

@@SamsTrains that dock shunter was the first Diesel to be scrapped.

[@lukeslocomotives]

Second

[@joeleboeuf]

​@@SamsTrainsI honestly wonder, if the engines are sent to the Scrap Man, does that mean that you repair them offscreen, without the time limit, so that the can work again? Or is that it for them, and there's no repairing them?

[@jamesdunloptrains]

Awesome video today Sam such a shame you couldn’t fix it in time but like you said can’t win them all i love these series

[@hazzamozza1343]

Awesome video Sam! Love your layout ❤️🙌

[@timbervalleyproductions]

Awesome vid Sam, love these. The Triang hall was interesting, if carrying the GWR livery, they carry a BR era smokebox number which GWR never carried! My Revolution FNAD just arrived and it's fantastic!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for the comment! Ahh interesting - thanks for sharing! Glad to hear you like the FNAD too :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Trainboy17]

everyone should fear the scrapman at this point

[@davidballoid2118]

I'm surprised you didn't submerge the connecting rods and valve gear into vinegar solution and use a positive and negative charge along with an anode rod overnight to loosen that rust it would have wiped right off. I couldn't tell the condition of the motor if it had rust or not but if it did, you could have soaked in the same vinegar solution as well overnight then magnetized the magnet and reassembled it the following day. Oh well you can't win them all in 20 minutes. 😉

[@tono6725]

That last loco you have left is notorious for having its gears stripped out - might be a hard fix that one

[@xaviers2ndaccount354]

it's the life-like tea kettle

[@Cross_Trainspotting]

Can you do a review on the Heljan Class 86?

[@Alextrains502]

Sam your videos make my day

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you so much! :D

[@thumper6024]

i love how i have a hall class the exact same one

[@secondchancejunkyard7946]

Looks like a "Hall" in one for Scrap Man.

[@theflyingshunter]

Imagine that the KZbinr ScrapMan sees one of these video's and finds out he has an evil version

[@OragamiTobichi-bi6lh]

Very nice. But I guess not all train fixes go right. I think they could be different and easy to fix. Well I guess u did ur best. Keep being awesome my friend. Love it. Ur the best my friend. Keep up the good work

[@SamsTrains]

That's right! Really glad you liked it anyway, Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@robertsparks3685]

It was fun to watch regardless of the outcome. Thanks

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks Robert, glad to hear that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@RonCooper-nl4pn]

Hi Sam, I just love your videos BUT as a 79 year old can I just say that I think you are going about things the wrong way with your salvage and scrap. Firstly get the chassis working properly first, then spend time on the body and tender afterwards, anything else is just a waste of time as proven by your results on this model. Eg cleaning the Body, Tender and Name plates. As for a time limit on a repair perhaps you can inform me as to the reason why? My view is it takes as long as necessary if you really want to repair the Locomotive. I have been into model railways since I was a kid. Regards from Ron 🚂👍🚂

[@Hercules4277]

Bought one of these a month ago. Great Little runners but my one used 2 AMPS!!! Anyways, this is a Great Video!

[@SamsTrains]

They are great aren't they? Such classic models! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@gerardburton3741]

I would have loved to see how you would have fixed the cab roof.

[@DukeOfTrains]

Can I give it a try I fixed a rusted loco before

[@SamsTrains]

Sure you can! Bids are open on Ebay www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266489955865 Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DukeOfTrains]

@@SamsTrains ah alright

[@Farmer5567]

I can hardly see the loco getting scrapped with all that smoke

[@amagames914]

I always thought the chair was the heater it self😅

[@dansmodelrailways7886]

Sam, send it over for a collaboration, and i could feature it on Trash to Track.

[@rottenroads1982]

Victor Schlomberg, he didn’t deserve to become the Scrap Man. He was just an ordinary person like You or I. Also, Sam’s Trains, when will you finally do a Review on the Heljan BR class 28, and when will you go into OO9 scale, I have been waiting for Far too Long.

[@briandesens144]

Awesome video Sam's trains

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Brian! :D

[@briandesens144]

@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊 buddy 😊

[@europacifictradersltd3717]

hi sam. i do believe this is the first time the scrapman got something to eat since you started this mini series. would the albert hall make another appearance before xmas for a 2nd attempt? it would be a shame to discard a triang model.

[@vibingwithvinyl]

It's not the first time. I don't remember what loco it was, but something did get chewed up in an earlier season.

[@DukeOfTrains]

The chunk in the roof missing is a common problem my castle class got that then the whole cab went

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I've seen that before too... must happen when they're dropped! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@GaMer4785.mp4]

I love this series😁

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you so much! :D

[@rossbowman202]

Sorry Sam though I am happy the poor Scrapman finally got a meal.

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

17:49 The Scrapman may have won for the second time Sam, but hopefully this will be his last one for a very long time. Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@trainman86trainstramsandmore]

wait he won before? what with?

[@SamsTrains]

haha fingers crossed! Yes he did win once before ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@star86703]

Yahoooooooooo a new episode of Salvage or Scrap 👍😊🤩😎😃👌

[@SamsTrains]

Hope you like it Sam! :D

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

may rest in peace 😕😟😰😥😢😭😞😓💔

[@SamsTrains]

I know :(

[@estheriel_1423]

has there ever been a loco sent to the scrapman?

[@xavierluthenumberblocksfan2424]

Yes! Not counting this one, only one was scrapped before this.

[@hollyruston2444]

The number plate is Albert Hall, but the name plate says Bugger Hall 😊

[@hollyruston2444]

@Itstheoriginalalfie Google the word "PUN"!

[@hollyruston2444]

@Itstheoriginalalfie Lateral thinking not your strong point is it? Stick to knock knock jokes, eh?!!

[@Customsinthemaking]

R.I.P

[@jackstrains4468]

Well, sam, you tried! Unlicky that you couldnt ressurect her, but your video was entertaining as always - we finally get to see the scrapman eat! Greta video sam

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks Jack - glad you still enjoyed the video! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@BrugerJimmy-tw8eu]

RIP Albert hall locomotive you will be missed

[@SamsTrains]

I agree :(

[@maxwren-dunstone2904]

Great video although the stats when you cover the loco were wrong, it's not a 0-4-0T 😂

[@Taggart00]

you may want to update the photo on the listing so it can't later be done as not described.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for this! Forgot to change the photo, appreciate the heads up! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Taggart00]

@@SamsTrains with any luck I will win it!

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

i do not know if i am imagining it but i do think i just heard all of this poor model trains saing help help help me please😭😢😥😰☹🙁😟😔

[@mechamax7919]

pretty funny lookin 0-4-0T

[@xaviers2ndaccount354]

that's because... ...it's not a 0-4-0

[@mechamax7919]

@@xaviers2ndaccount354 watch the stats part for when the loco is introduced, you'll see the typo/error

[@xaviers2ndaccount354]

@@mechamax7919 i've already seen it

[@jameshardy4354]

Whers the remains of this locomotive

[@SamsTrains]

It's on Ebay: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266489955865 Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Terry_croker_morgan]

Hi sam how has your day been

[@SamsTrains]

It's been fine thanks Terry, how are you?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@levidarling5107]

Why can’t you have metal worm gears on regular plastic gears.

[@williamsquires3070]

I think the problem was the gear pitch didn’t mesh between the worm gear and the pinion gear on the shaft of the driving wheel.

[@williamscates3915]

the brass gear is a faster gearing, hence the earlier tri-ang locos running faster. This was a 1977-78 ish loco with coarser pitch gears which run the loco slower, to nearer scale speed. The brass gears work with brass / black plastic cogs, the black plastic worm with the coarse grey gear.

[@JustinFrazier_360]

Not bad video sam

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Justin! :D

[@Cloned-alone]

Still the best tv show not on tv.

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you so much!! :D

[@StanDoesTrains]

A shame it couldn't be brought back to working order. A very enjoyable episode though.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah a pity - glad you liked it anyway! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@khapho]

Second lost in Salvage or Scrapped episode ?

[@Noodlewerfer]

Darn, another loss... What happens to locos the Scrapman destroys? Are there even any parts left?

[@numptypootis8012]

I think more time should have been spent getting the motor magnetised and ran in without any load rather than messing with cosmetics, but never mind a good effort was done!

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that's right - these are usually easy to fix mechanically, so I underestimated the issues... classic mistake! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jamesgilbart2672]

Shame - given 30 mins you may well have fixed it. I had a Hall from the early 70s. It had that mechanical chuff-chuff sound box in the tender and and a heated oil reservoir mounted in front of the motor with a piston that sent puffs of smoke out the funnel as it moved - it was primitive but fun!

[@timbervalleyproductions]

1:55 Wrong class mate

[@theblackleafninja3858]

Once again Sam you impress me with your model fixing skills well done

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

after all he needs a home

[@paolomargini7904]

You should sue the Time-O-Matic

[@SamsTrains]

haha I agree!

[@JoseLopez-tk1qt]

Rude guy that was the real hogwarts express it’s real the train in a hall class engine too ya know

[@scrailwaylines8535]

Sad you could not make it work again maybe someone else can fix it with its remains, I have fixed some very poor condition locos

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I agree - happy to let someone else have a try! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ironphilly2366]

the motor probably died and even if the motor wasn't dead, the valve gear would not let it turn an inch.

[@williamscates3915]

It had a bad winding, you can hear it crackling when he tests it for the first time. I find 90% of the time they're dead but 10% of the time they need the commutator slots cleaning better. It seemed happier second time but often the excessive (sometimes melts the solder!) heat causes a thermal expansion and kicks it back to life briefly. When the windings have vastly different resistances the motor is sometimes recoverable by re-soldering the joint to the armature but almost always needs a rewind.

[@DaiElsan]

Ill have it, if its available.

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

why not pay a video of respect in memory of this poor engines ?

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's a good idea! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

@@SamsTrains i wish to talk to you more often i sent diffrent comments in the past but never did get a reply 😟💔

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

but there you where talking to me & i want to say ......

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

thank you🙂

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

not to menchen all the bad things they have done in the past😮

[@piers995]

(but) You havn't really scrapped her have you? Go on you can tell me, I won't tell the scrap man you've hoodwinked him 😉

[@SamsTrains]

haha no, this one's still in tact... it even works now (sort of) after some extra work! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

maybe this will chear you up again

[@Steamer96]

No big loss, have a nice die-cast loco and toss all plastic steam locos in the bin.

[@mikes5637]

Why set a time limit? Why not just restore it? Its "long hard life" is due to it being well played with, surely. It deserves better, even as a static shelf display.

[@zacsteamlocomotive1800]

once repair can i adopt him for free please ?🥺

[@Damien.D]

At last the scrapman had something to lay his teeth on! I was fearing he'll end starving to death in your closet one day... Too bad for the loco it was a cool vintage thing, but with a dead motor, a broken cab, completely pitted wheelset, not even much details to salvage from it, dont think it was worth the effort.

[@RichardKuivila1947]

SAM's Trains FAILS !

[@yoville73]

Well that’s unfortunate, the time was just too tight and the engine was just too far gone with too many issues… The Scrapman claims another victim…