Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 Review

[@tomlubas1512]

Never been interested in what a professional "critic" ever had to say about anything.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's a good attitude to have.😎

[@Z7d3nR4]

I used to watch Siskle and Ebert, then avoid everything they liked and watch everything they didn't.

[@phredphlintstone6455]

​@@Z7d3nR4same.

[@phredphlintstone6455]

I did consider becoming a food critic once...but the entire subscription base would have ended up overweight

[@philthethotdestroyer4194]

same, i have never read anything by one of them.

[@simiouno6125]

Cartridges Walkers...good enough for Josey Wales !

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HA!

[@kmorris180]

It's probably like the rest of Costner's movies. They warp the time/space continuum in that three hours seems like 25 minutes and they transport the viewer back to the era. He might have taken a few liberties. But I bet it is still better than anything else on the ticket today.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Agreed. It went quick.

[@MarSchlosser]

Today's John Wayne. He's a great actor and director.

[@kmorris180]

@@MarSchlosser 100%

[@Totemparadox]

How I felt watching Appaloosa two days ago. I read that critics thought it felt linger than the two hours while fir me it was over in like an hour. Fantastic movie.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@Totemparadox Really is. Book is great too

[@robertjensen1438]

A young Apache is sitting before a nice little fire, but he's visibly angry. A friend of his comes by and asks what's the matter. -Damn fire won't make any smoke and I have an urgent message to send! The other replies : -Hmm... you tried putting it out and lighting it again?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAHA!

[@glennlewis505]

Hah. My mom would love this joke. Mind if I copy it?

[@henryrodgers1752]

😂Great joke!

[@charlesmiller6826]

I just told that on to my IT geek and he spit milk out his nose!😂

[@ponydiehl8775]

🤣🤣

[@johnraines4825]

Thanks for the review, Santee! Looking forward to seeing it. Sounds great!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good!

[@johnraines4825]

@ArizonaGhostriders Yup! If it's Costner, it be good! He's our kind of people. Maybe the next time he's in Old Tucson he'll stop by to say hello to you, Santee, and all the Western fans!

[@hazcat640]

@@johnraines4825 "He's our kind of people" So you voted for Hillary? Biden supporter? Anti 2A? Cause that's Costner.

[@BubbaThaumaturge]

I guess I have been under a rock for i had not heard of this until now.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

OK!

[@johnraines4825]

Great movie! Got the dvd. Looking forward to chapters 2, 3, & 4!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeehaw!!

[@TUCOtheratt]

I picked up on the cartridge revolvers being a bit ahead of their time, not a big deal. I really like the pace of the story that centered on Costner's character. The only significant criticism I have is the lengthy battle sequence early on, centering around the cabin out side of the town with the tunnel to nowhere under it. Smoke goes up, not down.😃

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hey, that's a great one!! I didn't think about that.

[@undio]

Good video love the content keep up the good work :)

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@robertbuckey6517]

Thanks Santee! Gonna have to check it out!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

OK!

[@ricoramirez4678]

Another excellent episode Santee… thank you!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

My pleasure!

[@mikewhite2aadvocacy172]

I will be checking this out for sure

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good.

[@nagjrcjasonbower]

It’s Santeeday!!! I wasn’t interested in the show… Until now. Got to hand it to ya’. You knocked this one outta da park! Keep it up!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad to hear it.

[@kentr2424]

Santee, wasn't the first cartridge (as we know it - not a pinfire) revolver a Smith & Wesson No 1 in .22 caliber, came out in around 1857?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I think pinfire was the first in the 1840s....but neither was made for a Colt revolver. Especially not a Dragoon or a Walker.

[@ponydiehl8775]

first one had a BB in it

[@davidpeirce7914]

Great review/preview! And how you figured gene Kelly into the video had us lol-ing ! Fun

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@scottpeterson2692]

Yeah, the cartridge loaded cap and ball guns always drove me nuts in movies too...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Something not hard to adjust.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

We saw it the Friday it came out. It is good. Very good. A lot of people complain about the 3 hours but I didn't mind that so much as it had a little too much going on at one time without our being able to figure out all the characters and get to know and care about them. Lonesome Dove had a lot going on simultaneously but you understood the characters very quickly, cared about them and saw the endearing or awkward relationships to each other. I hope it does do better streaming. They already postponed part 2

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@DALEf4u]

I saw it when it first came out and enjoyed it. Thanks for pointing out the inaccuracy.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Any time!

[@marvinsellers7345]

When I watched it I had no idea of it being a multi picture project. I loved the action and scenery, and the fact that it was a gritty western. I found the ending disjointed and cluttered, then I researched that it was just laying the groundwork for future episodes. Now I’m anxiously waiting for the next installment.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🤠

[@victorwaddell6530]

Thanks again Santee & Co. Ive been distracted for several weeks . Ill catch up on earlier videos when i can . Your friend in South Carolina . Ill raise a toast to your success with a glass of Cheerwine .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Awesome!! Thanks, man.

[@LewisCorrigan-op9kg]

I went to see horizon the day of release with my dad and grandad and all I got to say it was an amazing film my grandad loved it cause it reminded him of the times when he was growing up in the 50s and 60s and he loved the westerns and it’s been the first time he’s been in a cinema in a long long time

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

glad you liked it.

[@joemortimer1763]

YEEEEEHAAAAWWWWW! Cannot wait to see it!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good

[@alan_whoneedstiedye]

Looks interesting. Thanks for the review and recommendation.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You bet!

[@TimKoehn44]

Great episode Santee! I really liked the movie too. And, yes, I noticed the weapons were to early for the time period. Still a good movie. Have a great weekend! Cheers!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@Rags2Itches]

Thanks Santee for the review on the first part of Horizon. I have been wanting to see what Costner came up with after wanting to make these movies for over 15 years. I'll have to watch it on line so as to be close to the ole outhouse.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HA!

[@joenieto5491]

I totally loved it and can't wait for part 2 which i think is coming next week.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

YAY!

[@President_Comacho]

Seen it twice and enjoyed it both times. Looking forward to the next one.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad to hear it!

[@KidYuma1880]

Santee I agree, as usual Costner does a good job the best can be done for movies, as period correctness clothing & scenery as he does. Territorial Troupers in Payson enjoyed it. Also have you thought Helldorado is coming soon-Kid Yuma

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Cool!!!

[@JimBailey]

Thank you Santee, I'll have to check it out. :)

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good

[@trynsurviven2440]

I haven’t seen the movie yet but now I’m kinda curious about something. With multiple storylines in the movie, could Kevin be trying to tap into the miniseries Lonesome Dove? Not asking as a bad thing but couldn’t help but think of it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Not the same idea, but it does have a certain feel...

[@rhondaz356]

Another exciting video, with timely verbal, and audio input.🎉 It's great to know that most of it is based on timely facts, except for the weapons?🤔 If you recommend it, then that's good enough for me, Santee.🤠👏🏻👏🏻

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good!

[@madmalkavian3857]

Never heard of this but got so excited to see it that it cured my hangover.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Sure.

[@unwantedbs2571]

Costner's been very hit or miss with me but I have to admit, this looks good. As for the guns... I dunno... Actors, guns and movie sets are a tricky thing. I think the extras, stuntmen, and handlers are quite capable as are SOME actors but as a general rule, playing a Dr. on TV doesn't make you a Dr. (Yeah, I just dated myself) I just think when you're dealing with a lot of actors and others on a huge production like this it's just a matter of safety to keep it simple. Cartridges make checking things fast, simple, and easier for everyone concerned. You have X number of cartridges when you start and that just simplifies accounting for everything. I'm willing to forgive the cartridges as long as they're not using something wildly out of place... like a Colt Peacemaker or 1911... As long as it looks reasonably close. Now, I say this as someone who carried a weapon on the job for years but have never set foot on a film set. I'd be happy to hear the thoughts of someone who's done it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well, I have made 12 movies wearing a gun. Sure, the presence of blank cartridges make it easier, but not so much safer. You can have an armorer load up a bunch of percussion blanks and it could take longer to setup, but it would be accurate.

[@MomentsInTrading]

I bought a special release coffee recently by Green Mountain Coffee that was based on the movie release (A flavor called “Horizon by Kevin Costner”)

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Really?? I'll look it up.

[@Style-ov5qb]

I saw it 3 times, it’s epic and meant for the big screen. Can’t wait for part 2.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Awesome!

[@TylerSnyder305]

The cartridge thing would drive me crazy, and it's funny because they'd kind of have to go out of their way to use them for the movie

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

My thoughts exactly.

[@MarSchlosser]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I agreed with you, but what alternative? Paper cannot be reused (oxidizer was used to burn out the paper on firing) and I never trusted them. niio

[@timmattingly2250]

What drives me crazy is the infamous “Hollywood Henrys” in some of the older movies.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

Good review Santee, thanks for sharing it. JT

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome, JT

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Can’t wait to see it!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good!

[@vegasrider2246]

I’ve always liked Costners westerns. Looking forward to see this.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good.

[@Grizzlybike]

Wonderful movie and terrific review. Agree on all points presented!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You! Glad you like Horizon.

[@Deer_Slayer5937]

The “dance .44’s” are inaccurate because the dance brothers (confederate colt copiers) were established in 1864 a year after the movie is set. Also it appears the rifle the kids point at each other in the beginning is a 1885 high wall, in 1863?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

"By Oct. 1862 the Dance brothers were selling handguns to the Confederacy. An invoice from that month shows the San Antonio Arsenal received 11 six-shot pistols." So, the real issue is that in total there were less than 400 made for the Confederate forces, not the public. Would a gun seller on the Texas plains be selling them to civilians? I didn't see a High Wall, but I'll watch again!

[@Deer_Slayer5937]

@@ArizonaGhostriders whoops the thing I read said 1864 😅

[@Deer_Slayer5937]

Also one thing dance revolvers were known for was no recoil shield, so how could the attach the loading gate (invisible to me) that I heard the clicking from

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

No prob.

[@tedebear108]

Hey Arizona Ghost Riders. Ted from Texas. I definitely love the history of the Old West. I wouldn't mind living as a historian for that time. Stay safe man

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Very cool!! Thanks.

[@fightinginflipflops7731]

Nice review. Never thought I'd see a hat that would make Hop-along- Cassidys hat look wearable. Good choice Kevin.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!!

[@TheRickreid]

My granddaughter works for local movie 🎞 she met Kevin Costner when he used one of the theater to preview horizon 2 I enjoyed the show can't wait foe next episode. He's curre ntly filming 3 film right now

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good!

[@led8541]

Ive not seen it yet Ill check it out Great video Santee

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@ericruss6734]

Now I need me a couple of those cartridge Walkers. Thanks for the review.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAAH!

[@georgeearls3338]

I wasn't sure of the year, but now that you said 63, seems like I saw a 66 or two also. The cartridges in the 47s got me also. I am not a big fan of Costner, but I heard him tell about trying as you said to keep the spirit alive, so I had hope. It however seemed to go down too many rabbit holes for my taste. Then maybe as it comes together on down the line, maybe it will be better, I hope it does. There are too few westerns anymore, and I hate not being more supportive. I may be imagining things, but I seem to recall the reference to Apaches taking scalps, which was not a thing they did very much of, however their scalps had a bounty on them at the time. Might be I'm too picky, we'll see. The hat looked to me to be new, with a bucket of dirt thrown on it , lol.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you saw it!

[@thebanjooutlaw]

Seen it three times myself! Loved it!👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@scrapyardsorcerer]

I like Mr Costner's hat, it is a bit like mine. I feel a shave and a haircut coming on to try and catch his look!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Cool!

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

Your comment on the cartridges got me thinking. Has there been any instances onscreen of swapping cylinders? Other than Pale Rider, I can't think of any.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, they did it a lot in the "Sister's Brothers"

[@kirkmorrison6131]

Oh a great review

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@ArizonaGhostriders You are most welcome I'm sure

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

I really liked this movie. I will point out if you look closely, you will see that the big conversion it is actually a colt dragoon instead of a walker. I have actually seen a colt dragoon that had been converted by a gunsmith to take a cylinder that could be loaded with 44 henry. Probably not a very accurate gun as the bullet was slightly smaller than the bore. It was in a picture that claimed 1864. It was crude and nothing like what was shown here "way too many conversions in this movie," but since the dragoon did exist and the 1860 henry cartridge did exist, it was not impossible in 1863. That being said, I just really like the movie, and i'm probably reaching pretty far here. Lol

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Dang, you're right. I chose the wrong behemoth. Apologies. I keep hearing about the rare occurence of modified percussion guns for the Henry cartridge in the ealry 1860s. Until someone shows me proof of a bunch of settlers in Texas with modified revolvers I'm sticking to my story!! 😎

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

@ArizonaGhostriders lol, I know. Of all people, I should hate this movie...... but I can't, lol. My excuse is that most of the series is set to take place in the eighteen seventies and eighties and they probably only used one set of guns for the whole thing which as soon as they get into the eighteen seventies these guns will be perfect.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods Right. There is one interesting thing that I can't seem to nail down. One native american is trying to load a rifle and the shells he has go right down the barrel and out the front. It turns into hand-to-hand and he gets killed.

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

@ArizonaGhostriders oh yes, the smith Carbine! I was so glad to see those. Lol probably shouldn't try to load 44 henry shells into a 50 cal carbine.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods HA! That was what it was? I couldn't tell. Thanks.

[@BigBWolf90]

I'll give the cartridge conversations a pass cuz with some characters if they're being paid decently enough they could *possibly* be *very early* conversations but it's just a small thing to detract. Also damn the cast was so good. Also Kevin himself has said "this isn't a story of anyone but a story of everyone. It's how they moved not who was moving. We're not focusing on a real life people but people who could have existed" so it looks to be really good historical fiction & can't wait for the remaining 3 parts

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I can't wait, either.

[@deadsmoke198]

It's a long time since I watched a western and I really need to start watching them again. They are the most entertaining movies,

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good to hear.

[@PinkertonJM]

Looks fantastic 🤠🌵🏜️

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🤠

[@DMRaptorJesus]

As I fully live under a rock, this is the first I heard of this show 🙃

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's ok.

[@MomentsInTrading]

I think it looks good. I saw a news article that said they were postponing the release of part 2 because part 1 isn’t making much money.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Now that it's streaming it is doing well. #1 VOD in the Top Ten.

[@TennesseeFrank]

I wondered where all those cartridge converted six guns came from as well. There were only 1000 Colt Walkers made, many blew up because the cylinders couldn't handle the 60gr powder charge so that cut the number. Now you see one that's taking a center fire cartridge too. I also think they could have cut the movie to half the time and followed fewer stoies and it would have been a better movie.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

[@henrysara7716]

Great Santee

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@classicgunstoday1972]

Isn’t the store keeper that sells the Dance revolvers (that was a nice little known easter egg) the crooked Marshal in Open Range?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

He is. James Russo. He was also my boss in the movie "Among Wolves." Lead us Pinkertons right to the grave!

[@classicgunstoday1972]

@@ArizonaGhostriders ah!! I just found that on TUBI. Opens with two Jason Voorhees clones shotgunning and axing up some guys in an Arizona hotel. I’ll watch the rest later got outside work to do before it gets too hot

[@cliffowens9970]

Spot on

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@benjihound993]

There was a moment at the start of the video where I thought Santee was leaning against the cactus 😂 I need to lay of the Muleskinners...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HA!

[@joshsamuelson1793]

I love it. I figured the first one would be a slow burn. I am left satisfied and wanting more though. I love good Western movies, and we get so few of them these days. It kind of reminds me of a violent version of lonesome dove or those loves eternal movies. Will big screen part 2 instead of streaming it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It definitely has some promise!

[@oregonoutback7779]

What is it with Hollywood's love of cartridges in Civil War era movies ?? Groan. At least we have "Ride with the Devil" and "The Sister's Brothers". Thanks for a good, honest review of Horizon. If I ever get to see it, this will save me from yelling at the screen 😳 Maybe.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAAH!

[@joelhurley2678]

Santee the movie looks really good and I agree with you I don't worry about the critics I worry about what I like.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's is the way.

[@NGMonocrom]

Just wondering if they humanized the Apaches or painted them in a much better light. I have a copy of _"The Boy captives"_ by: Clinton L. Smith. First-hand account of twin boys taken by an Indian tribe. Clint's brother Jeff sold to Geronimo himself. Clint's telling of how he was treated, even after assimilating into the tribe is *far* from P.C., very far from it. In the book, he re-counts some horrific things he saw, and that were done to him. While he doesn't ever claim that all tribes were savages, clearly the ones he had first-hand experience with, were. I'm just not a fan of revisionist history, Santee.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's ok to have an opinion! I would disagree that the Apache were painted in a better light. They absolutely destroyed the men, women and children who settled in that town. That dialogue in their camp is something we don't see often in that tribe's depiction in movies.

[@NGMonocrom]

@@ArizonaGhostriders True. But to be perfectly honest, Santee; I don't think most folks care. Not just that town. The things the Apache did. What they were known for.... Growing up, there was a teenager in my neighborhood who did horrible things to others. One day, he just vanished. Family pleaded with everyone in the neighborhood to help find him. Based on the things he did, no one cared.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@NGMonocrom Oh yeah. With ya on that. Often l wish those types would just "disappear."

[@tylertapp131]

Good stuff, i just hope he finishes it. Hes been about this for decades. Ive been a fan of Kevin costner since i was a kid.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

We'll see where it goes...

[@ponydiehl8775]

liked where the mom tells the girl to get out of the sun but shes already tan 😅😝

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Oh yeah!! Both of them aren't pale, that's for sure.

[@chubbethsthunder]

Santee, .Thank you very much for the great content.. Looking forward to watching Horizon soon. You and Mrs Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend. Hug the kitty cat for me.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Will do! Thank You!

[@markkumyllykoski5444]

Saw it last month and loved it. Good modern westerns are such a rarity these days.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Couldn't agree more!

[@ScarletRebel96]

Well i gotta check this out then

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good.

[@AlphaTraveler1]

Always enjoyed your videos Santee. I have a request. Can you do a video on who is the biggest influence at the time of the old west??? LOL. Stay awesome my friend. 👍👍👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hmmmmm... not sure it can be one person, Alpha. There was art, business, science, etc. If you want to be specific I'll do it!

[@thomastipping2275]

Will you be singing more songs from "Oklahoma" in future episodes?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I might mix it up and go with some "Carousel"

[@Rollin_L]

Why, I'm certain I just heard Curly Santee serenading there at the end of the video. Hopefully Judd Brazelton wasn't around to get jealous and angry!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAHA!

[@lichking885]

Heya Santee, I was wondering if you could do a video about Bolt action weapons in the old west.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes.

[@indigowolf556]

Wendy's movie critics come out and say this movie is good or this movie is bad I never go by what they judge a movie to be. There's certain movies I like certain things and I know what I like. I know I will love watching this movie. When I watch a movie there's just certain things I look for and I always seem to look for the details of things happening in the background. Thanks Santee I'm 100% on board with your opinion!🤠🤠

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well, watch it and see for yourself! Thanks.

[@justinsane7128]

Read me a story Santee

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

OK!

[@philthethotdestroyer4194]

Colt walker cartidges are crazy lol

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Kinda want one now, though

[@bostonrailfan2427]

the military uniforms changed little for decades but the miss there are the hats: tan or brown hats like that are anachronisms, they were black and only black per regulation…they’re on their own, but they still would never use a non-black hat. it’s why even to this day cavalry soldiers have black Stetsons: it’s a tradition that predates the use of the Stetsons in the first place all the way back to the French-inspired headgear in the 1840s or 1830s I was strolling through my recommendations and saw a picture that made me snicker: you look a lot like Tom Horn that I thought the image was a decolorized screenshot of you 🤣

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Tom Horn...that's a....stretch (get it?) I have seen museum pieces that are tan, light grey, and brown hats from the Indian Wars. Many of the soldiers didn't like the ones issued to them, so they were allowed to acquire their own. I don't believe color was specified. Also, they were issued tan/brown campaign hats for the Spanish/American War.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@ArizonaGhostriders color was specified, it’s one thing the military is known for is specifying things like exact colors…this was 1863 according to your video and they were regular army not new recruits for the war so it would be highly unlikely they they weren’t using black hats- heck, they might have been more likely using Hardee hats still rather than campaign/Boss of the Plains Stetsons the Spanish-American War was 35 years after the timeframe of the movie/show, the style choice was entirely ignored as units used whatever they could get on short notice wince it wouldn’t last long in pristine condition due to the fighting

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@bostonrailfan2427 Good points. I'll see what year the hats in the museums are.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@ArizonaGhostridersi can see a middle ground here: replacements for the hats worn out, since it’s the middle of the war and you gotta use what you got on hand and that being civilian hats.

[@mausercal65]

His hat is problematic, but I loved the movie . The firearms aren’t perfect but at least they made an effort for them to look more correct. The use of Spencer carbines was nice .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yep!

[@skydiverclassc2031]

Rumor is that, in the last episode, a rancher working his land turns up some bones which turn out to be a complete T. Rex fossil....

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Woohoo!

[@marcosaraiva9205]

What can I say! Must watch it 🤠 thanks amigos

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hope you enjoy.

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

I enjoyed it as well. I was upset to hear they are changing the release date for the 2nd part.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

As long as it gets released.

[@ronauldcameron3623]

I loved the look of the Apache s and the cinematography. I didn't care for the Cavalry hats and calling the revolvers Dance revolvers when they are Walkers . Little details like as you mentioned cartridge revolvers in 1863 a bit annoying however the story is intriguing. Critics negative commentary I find ridiculous. One of them mentioned a lack of character development well to this Iwould say we are in part one and the characters are running their course in the next installments so I'm sure their development is a work in progress . Well done on your review 👏 Santee 👏

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@austinwhite4626]

I need to see this now.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

cool!

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

I'm not a fan of Rogers and Hammerstein, but that was a pretty good rendition at the end.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well, I had the lyrics all around me.

[@charlesmiller6826]

Well, now i may just have to check this one out

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

OK!

[@michaelpage4199]

This looks like a great movie.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

So far it has promise.

[@keithnelson6389]

Saw the movie two weeks ago, loved it!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good!

[@history1099]

The cartridges kept bothering me, but other than that I really liked it. I like this newer trend in movies of taking a middle of the road stance to the Indian Wars. Both sides did some awful stuff, and I'm glad that they are starting to portray that more rather than just blatantly side with one or the other.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@mherod51]

I'd like to come up with a good reason outside scene brevity when it came to using cartridge conversion guns (loading gate & all) in the film that never existed, but I'm gonna have to give Costner a pass if that's just about the only historical sin he committed. I'm gonna have to see it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Agreed!

[@MKknifemaking]

Can you do a video about mining in the old West

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Did one!

[@henryrodgers1752]

Santee had a miss on cartridge revolvers. Smith & Wesson acquired the Rolin White patent on bore-through cylinders in 1855 and sold license to E. Remington & Sons for Remington-Beals revolvers, commonly called the Model 1858 (due to the patent date). The cartridges would have been paper, until around 1868, when metallic cartridges became common. Many gunsmiths in the West broke patent law and bored through cap-and-ball cylinders in their shops. The real issue was the rarity and expense of cartridges.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I did not have a miss. I said specifically, "The year is 1863, and metallic cartridges weren’t a thing in those then." You wrote, "The cartridges would have been paper, until around 1868." So...yeah, we agree. If someone can find me proof that a gunsmith converted a Colt Walker or Dragoon in 1863 to shoot metalic cartridges and sold them to some random folks in a small tent settlement in Texas, I'll go with it.

[@ponydiehl8775]

he said the metallic cartridge thing at 1:53 and the guns in the movie arent remmies or smiths

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

​@@ponydiehl8775 Right. "Those guns" meant the Colt's used in the movie.

[@lawrencelewis2592]

Have you ever done a video about Louis L' Amour?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I haven't done one dedicated to him, but have mentioned him.

[@greghardy9476]

If critics hate it, I’ll probably love it!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!

[@danrichmond8979]

I saw James Russo in there.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yep, my old boss. Who, incidentally, got me killed in a movie.

[@cheycasters]

yee haw!!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

😎

[@tracywallace30]

One question I have that you might be able to answer is in the movie the referred to the Indians as Indigenous. Were they called that at the time or is that a modernism added to the movie? Because all of my research and readings from the time they are either referred to as Indians, Injuns, or identified by the specific tribe but I'm hoping you know something I don't.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

There's newspaper articles going back to the early 1800s using the word indigenous in that way. The Liberator paper in 1839 mentions "The Indigenous Indian population".

[@tracywallace30]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Thanks I appreciate the info since I've never seen a Western refer to them as indigenous and like I said everything I've read from the time doesn't call them that.

[@charliemckinley104]

Santee can u please do a video on sashes in the old west

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Not a whole video (not enough info) but I'll mention them in another video.

[@35southkiwi16]

Where do they even find CnB revolvers that take cartridges without a cartridge conversion adapter?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Uberti and Pietta make conversions.