Horizon Forbidden West Review - Kinda Funny Gamescast

[@dylandarrow5688]

YOU SMELL THAT. IT MEANS THE LEAVES ARE CHANGING AND IT REVIEW SEASON

[@TheRj725]

Kinda funny soyboys are kinda cringe, can't trust these bootlickers.

[@TheAndyCortez]

Smells delicious

[@dylandarrow5688]

@@TheAndyCortez it tastes pretty good too

[@MrNickAndrade]

Smells like 'empty wallet' season.

[@marcello696]

I see a lot of comments about my lack of input in the 2 hour discussion, I'll own that as I was being too polite in not trying to derail the convo and wanted everyone to get their thoughts in and ultimately 2 hours flew by and I didnt say enough of my own personal thoughts. I also get people focusing on our nit picks but a review should point out the good along with the bad and maybe the good got lost in the overall discussion. The game is fantastic overall and more than deserving of our 5/5 score

[@Blballerboy]

No problem Parris. The matrix review on kindafunny is a good example of the correct level of input and convo injection. Look foreword to the next review.

[@geoafe66]

I thought the review was great. I came out of this being more hyped for game! and I wanted to hear any issues you had with the game. Great to see you on this review Parris.

[@ixquiz]

I appreciate this comment and think you have great input to add. Thank you for everything you do! Games are cool!

[@spiiny]

Thought you did great, always glad to see you on content! Keep up the good work :)

[@J_Tevo]

We just wanted to hear your thoughts more mate.

[@BHCha-]

Good to see Parris back in a review. Great job gang. Thoroughly enjoyed this. I'm hype!

[@thefallenangel01]

Too bad that Parris barely spoke. Greg should have done a better job moderating - I get it is a conversation but there needs to be a structure here. Especially when it is a review.

[@alan9tails148]

@@thefallenangel01 i kinda agree. i love the content, spirit and energy always of these podcasts, and the only thing ive ever wanted to see more of was better facilitation of the discussion.

[@murbina24]

@@thefallenangel01 I felt the same way. There wasn’t an equal amount for others to speak.

[@TheRevenantsMovie]

@@thefallenangel01 100% Greg and Blessing can barely share space. Parris is respectful enough to wait. That's why Mike is the best - he holds space for everyone! Parris needs to be heard!

[@breadboi8747]

@@TheRevenantsMovie yea, felt bad for Parris, I mainly listened the whole time but towards the end I started to watch their feeds and noticed that he kept raising his hands and at one point, even Greg acknowledged it but took the opportunity to speak instead of letting Parris talk.

[@fragr33f74]

It's kinda impressive how the KF music motif adapts to so many different themes

[@Gameonysus]

I am obsessed with them.

[@ERoBB1]

Think the new Review-O-Meter still needs to be calibrated. This is an extremely lukewarm conversation to be talking about a 5/5 game.

[@milesellis7860]

Your mom is lukewarm

[@mushypee1]

A problem with these reviews is that some of them are not fully flushed out. Because they are rushing it to get the reviews done. Such as Andy mentioned missing side quests and being underpowered

[@J_Tevo]

Yeah, and i'm guessing those side quests develop the side characters more, which he also had an issue with not caring about them. Feels like a really big whole when reviewing a game.

[@Zzz-iz1yt]

Yeah that was a lil annoying tbh

[@ninopapalia1461]

Reviewing games is a sucky job imo you have to rush to complete the game to meet the review deadline and in doing you cant really enjoy the game fully.

[@J_Tevo]

What is it with Kind Funny Games reviews, where they all give it a high score and then spend most of the time talking about the issues rather than developing all the elements they liked. Because in the end, I think, "Wait did they like this or not?". These need to be more thought through, because the score and enthusiasm doesn't match the discussion.

[@jacklawrence3703]

It’s much easier and more natural to identify things you dislike vs things you like. By and large though this video is extremely positive from almost all of them.

[@J_Tevo]

@@jacklawrence3703 I disagree, most of this is them saying they liked it but not developing why, whilst the bad has much more of an in depth look. As a review you're supposed to relay all the reasons why you gave it a certain score, here I didn't think that happened in the correct amounts. Personally, if they didn't give a score, I'd have guessed it be like a 7/10, not a 9.5.

[@NathanNeilsen]

@@alexikosmas Tim is excellent at doing that. For both positive and negative opinions. #lettimreview

[@alextownley9388]

I really don’t understand why people don’t like the melee so much. I thought it was very basic, but fun in the first game, and here the animations look phenomenal.

[@vijokun]

Watching this as I approach the final mission of Zero Dawn. Hype is unreal and excited for the sequel.

[@dasilva2095]

Play the DLC frozen wilds, it's totally worth it 👍

[@vijokun]

@@dasilva2095 yup played through Frozen Wilds before beating the game. Got the platinum trophy just in time for Forbidden West. Happy launch day!

[@saphireg8094]

I thought zero dawn was good, FW is amazing. I sunk 70 hours maxing out my character and getting legendary weapons and armor before I got to any of the real main and side quests! I was hooked just like death stranding!

[@MumonguGaming]

You guys kept cutting off, Janet. Why have 5 people on the podcast if you don't give the people equal amount of time. I like you Blessing, but give the others a chance for their opinion and review.

[@BCENT89]

Great discussion but it seemed like Janet was struggling to get a word in. Any time there were multiple people talking Greg would throw it to Andy or Blessing. Just wondering if in the future you can make sure to give everyone a chance to speak.

[@Terrell_Dre]

Exactly! Blessing talks over everyone. I wanted to hear more from Janet and Parris.

[@OriginalBoondocksXVIII]

Agreed, Andy and Blessing have a lot to say and can be a bit long-winded. These episodes would have a better flow if they yielded more often or maybe kept the panel to 4 people.

[@chrisb4944]

@@Terrell_Dre If Blessing talks over everyone, then its a bad character flaw and shows a lack of self awareness. Someone needs to call him out on it privately and get him to stop it. It is common, we all meet people like that throughout our lives. We notice it but most people on a subconscious level don't even know they are doing it.

[@TheFrogKnight]

I just played and finished the Frozen Wilds DLC this weekend. I am 100% ready for Forbidden West.

[@0311E]

How long was it? I never got around to it.

[@TheFrogKnight]

@@0311E it wasn't long. I beat it in a day, not sure how much playtime I put into it.

[@olischues]

These intros have been amazing! Can’t wait to listen to this and play the game on Friday!

[@stathiskal]

Music is good but editing is mid tier at best. Appreciate the effort to mix it up tho!

[@BarrettCourtney]

Thanks! It’s been really fun making them

[@CarterHarrellMusic]

Thanks dude, this was a fun one to work on!

[@J_Tevo]

Carrie Ann-Moss being a small element in games has been happening for over a decade. She's in Mass Effect 2 for about 10 minutes.

[@maximnewman2483]

Carrie-Ann-Moss is in Mass Effect 2? I did not know that!

[@J_Tevo]

@@maximnewman2483 Yeah, she plays Aria T'Loak, the head of Omega.

[@maximnewman2483]

@@J_Tevo Oh I loved Aria! There is a DLC for her that is really good.

[@jzilla1234]

She knows how to make money

[@J_Tevo]

@Positiveocity - Positive S#!t I played and platinumed ME2 about 3 days ago, she has about three interactions across the whole game including the DLC.

[@1nine8two39]

I barely used traps in Zero Dawn. I like that they make you strategize and just go in arrows blazing

[@warlorddk2070]

… What do you mean, how can a game make you strategize AND arrows blazing?…

[@1nine8two39]

@@warlorddk2070 my bad, need to proof read next time lol. Meant to say, I like to strategize and not just go in arrows blazing.

[@warlorddk2070]

@@1nine8two39 XD fair fair, took my brain for a loop there hahaha

[@Ragucci25]

The fact that I keep hearing "I didn't have the time" imo is a big issue with a review.

[@gumgumleobazooka]

I’m actually VERY happy you went over the small details they either improved or didn’t. Thank you guys and gals as usual!

[@Gameonysus]

Yay! I'm glad.

[@lewishague123]

90 minutes into this review and Paris has barely said a word :(

[@ttam320]

Yeah right

[@RoaringTide]

Love Andy on the review content. Very much looking forward to his complete thoughts on Elden Ring, though I likely won't watch until I'm deep into the game myself.

[@EnidTheGamesNihilist]

Good review altho im always bummed out when people talk over Janet

[@thomasalley3121]

It happens too much. It gets annoying.

[@vinski19]

This. I noticed Greg talks over everyone, but Bless interrupting her is super frequent. Odd.

[@JDEdwards2331]

You know what's funny? To the best of my knowledge nobody at KF (idk about Janet) has actually beaten the Witcher 3 lol. Great show. Game sounds good. I don't hear the praise of 5 out of 5 from everyone but I understand a lot of that praise is behind Spoilers

[@taylorjack2130]

It is weird, one of the best games of all time IMO. Hopefully Andy tackles it when the next gen update arrives he would love it

[@luciddre4m]

I thought the melee in Zero Dawn was just fine so if that's one of the main complaints for Forbidden West, I'm thinking I'm going to love this game.

[@xRebelSpiritx]

Sameeeeee!

[@boochtron]

of course you're going to love it fanboy

[@WHOAITSTHEINTERNET]

I’m hoping to see a review lineup like this for elden ring. gonna be a bummer if only a couple people at kf try it. As for horizon, happy to hear its better than zero dawn. I’ll be playing it in a couple weeks

[@SirDrJM-]

Why did no one comment on how nice Blessing's shirt looks in this video? Perfectly centered above the Gamecast logo - that drip is impressive. Amazing.

[@Gameonysus]

I was thinking about it being that classic KF blue but I didn't mention it cause there was never a good time haha

[@theicon2125]

Loved hearing everyone's thoughts on this. I think my plays tyle aligns with Janet's because in the first game I used TONS of traps. Laying out Tripwires and getting the machine to chase me through it was how I dealt with a lot of the large machines in the first game. It's really disappointing that you can't lay a ton of traps AND you apparently can't run through the tripwires without setting them off. On top of that removing the infinite fast travel pack feels like a major step backward as far as QoL goes. I'm sure I'll still love the game and I'm excited to try the improved melee as I used it way more than I probably should have for how basic it was in the first game. I'm also super excited that you guys have an official rating scale now.

[@BhandariShashank]

Great review folks. Also, I was really amused by Andy giving it 4/5 but spending 99% of his time just absolutely shitting on the game xD

[@davidenriquez9576]

Think he was playing devils advocate to the others positive feedback

[@BhandariShashank]

@@davidenriquez9576 Yeah no issues with however they choose to go about it. Just made me giggle whenever he responded to anyone it was usually criticism. And that has its place but it was funny cause if they didn't give out their scores in the beginning, there's no way I could have guessed him giving a 4.

[@Blballerboy]

He’s always a pessimist but it does balance out the podcast.

[@LastChanceWasTaken]

I was not expecting a review this early. HYPE!

[@davidenriquez9576]

I’ve noticed that review embargo’s seem to be based on the devs timezone, typically around 9AM. Ie the start of their workday

[@cassw8951]

That’s how you know Sony is confident in this game

[@joswayflores7859]

Great discussion, even though if I didn’t know the the scores from get-go I would have thought everyone gave it a 4/5. Maybe it is a 5/5 but I didn’t hear too much on what makes this game “Amazing!” The fleshed out nuance of what could have been better is much appreciated and its one of the reasons why I enjoy KF reviews but maybe it can be helpful to plan what the positive conversation will look like to prove why the game deserves a high scoring review, such as a discussion moment of what everyone’s top 3 favorite things of the game

[@kitneikirk3020]

But also maybe that’s the necessity of a score system. Like I can talk about the negatives of RDR2 for hours, but in my opinion it is still one of the best games of all times. It can be tough to communicate just how good the game is overall without playing it

[@TheAndyCortez]

The story is great but we were instructed not to talk about many things because of spoilers.

[@_theduckofdeath_]

Looks good The reviewers mostly like shooting bow & arrows and will fight that way all the way through The reviewers like the story Looks good 😉 Exclusive It was stated that 5/5 does not mean perfect or a "masterpiece". The reviewers have to decide whether the game is 4/5 or does enough right be considered 5/5. For example, the three GTA games on PS2 had issues that were apparent in their time. Regardless, those games were amazing -- I would argue worthy of the term "masterpiece". Not that Forbidden West will have anywhere that impact on the industry, as it does not have to in order to be considered 5/5. After all, a 5-point system is not very granular.

[@vinski19]

@@TheAndyCortez so would it have been more appropriate to release the full discussion when you could talk more freely about the game and its content? I understand you feel like you have to get something out but this just feels like a biased reveal to many folk as there's not much about what makes the game great. If you see my point?

[@viceroy2672]

@@vinski19 Biased in what why? They all either gave it a 5/5 or 4/5. Also this is when Playstation lifted the review embargo and wanted people to put their impressions out their.

[@PazyPlayz]

Kind of Blessing Reviews…

[@SebastianBravoco]

Credits to Barrett again for the amazing producing of the show. Really like the review score decision. After being a day one Kinda Funny Games fan, put a big ol’ smile on my face seeing Kinda Funny’s scores included in tweets today.

[@Gameonysus]

Barrett is the GOAT

[@SebastianBravoco]

@@Gameonysus 👔 👶 🐐

[@joefayant6143]

My favorite little thing about zero dawn is that if you do certain side quests through out your game those characters that you meet appear at the final mission and help you because they believe in you and it makes me feel like I’ve made a impact in the world and do become this hero that’s destined to save the world.

[@swedishcolin]

KF Review scores Blessing 5/5 Janet 5/5 Greg 5/5 Andy 4/5 Parris 5/5

[@husker6395]

Thanks man 👍🏻

[@Ragucci25]

Don't post these you basically giving people a reason to come in and click out.

[@imadetheuniverse4fun]

@@Ragucci25 if KF didn't want to have review scores they could use a system without them. or are you advocating for the suppression of free information?

[@TheAndyCortez]

@@Dhbdhjdbd i think maybe our style of review isn't for you? that's perfectly okay.

[@guyfawkes0511]

45:35 What? In HZD, without any skills put in, you have to draw for more than a second to shoot an arrow. Meanwhile a light melee attack takes half the time and does more than twice the damage, and a heavy melee takes almost the same amount of time but 6x the damage. Now you get combos and whatnot on top of that? This hate for melee is absurd.

[@DiegoReviews]

You guys gotta figure some sort of system to give everyone a chance to speak. Certain people take over the conversation and then those same people cut off someone else that’s barely spoken.

[@Calumg92]

This is the most unhyped 5/5 review. Sounds more like Andy's score 4/5

[@gentlemen639]

I get what you mean. Pretty much talked about what they didn’t like more than liked.

[@lola_minati_pop]

It's giving "but also"

[@dguyzero]

Great reviews. Love hearing the gameplay is satisfying. I wish everyone was a little bit more vague with the characters involved. Knowing Lance is not the big bad kinda let me down.

[@WaffleOnTheRun]

I think if your gonna do a 5 point scale you have to reserve the 5s for the games that are truly special, they don't have to be perfect but maybe one part of it has to be perfect(i.e either the combat or the stoy) the amount of critism that you guys had doesn't seem like this is a 5/5.

[@AR_112]

Yeah you know what a 5/5 special game is? BOTW

[@NathanNeilsen]

Agree. This felt 80% negative and 20% positive. 5 out of 5!!!

[@Calumg92]

Totally agree! Usually they throw out like this is gonna be in my game of the year but not once did they even mention that! Sifu seemed more positive that this

[@matthewscottshea]

X out of 5 scales are inherently more likely to have perfect scores than a 10 or 100 scale. That's not always the case (such as the 4 star ratings with movies) but it tends to be a psychological thing. That said, their scale is essentially just saying the game is amazing.

[@JDas2k]

I can’t wait to play Horizon FW. I sunk 120 hrs in Zero Dawn. I wish it was Feb 18 already.

[@samanthachandler6807]

Same. On my 3rd playthrough of it just waiting patiently for Forbidden West!

[@sherpawhale]

Full Gamescast squad, let's go!

[@dejjibd424]

Very impressed with the amount of great content Kinda Funny are putting out at the moment. Well done guys.

[@TheAndyCortez]

thanks!

[@gamerzwithjobs330]

Andy should be on every review podcast for all consolers (playstation games, xbox games, nintendo games). He is the only one imo that is subjective and not on a console team so his reviews and thoughts seem more real and genuine. More of a third party reviewer then on a specific team and I really appreciate that. Horizion Zero Dawn was deff one of my top games of last gen and I cant wait to play this but it will have to be later in the year because Elden Ring is next week and no way I will beat Zero Dawn by then.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

One hour in, seems as soon as Andy gave the 4, it's been non stop criticism. Not sure where the 5s came from yet.

[@sumtynnaztee]

I agree, not really felling the "review" sounds more like a critique than a review.... when Parris said, He wished it had more of a Witcher 3 side story arc.......

[@simplymincy]

Is there a patron where I can just have Greg do a voice message that introduces me as a person? I would GLADLY pay for that seriously.

[@xRebelSpiritx]

He should be on Cameo!

[@simplymincy]

@@xRebelSpiritx Oh yeah for sure. I did not even think of that one. Got to love that energy he and others bring.

[@RobbyGood1]

Was not expecting this at 3:30am on my drive to work... I'll take it! 😊😊😊

[@MRBarton369]

Having agreed with Tim more than anyone on the first one I was hoping to see him here. I’m very skeptical still after your well done reviews.

[@vinski19]

I think Greg even said at one point that there's so much they can't discuss due to embargoes and spoilers. So I guess the pros outweigh the cons by a large margin.

[@viceroy2672]

@@Dhbdhjdbd they didn't bash the game lol, look how made you get because they criticized a game that you haven't even played yet. All there points could be valid but you wouldn't even know because again they played it and haven't.

[@viceroy2672]

@@Dhbdhjdbd They didn't bash the game. Giving criticism doesn't mean their bashing the game. Bashing would be saying it sucked and had no redeeming qualities at all and that people shouldn't buy it. Since when is giving a game a 5/5 and recommending people play it turn to bashing it.

[@cassw8951]

Greg don't take no shit anymore, just straight up cutting people off in the intro, dad vibes!

[@thomasalley3121]

Certain team members have a tendency to ramble. It's for the best.

[@PeetaPlays]

Can you _feel it,_ in the air? Can you _hear it,_ in the wind? And when you look outside your window, _what's out there?_ That's right, it's the review season baby!

[@epicwolf]

I am not shocked on how Andy feel about the game. He is more of an Elden Ring type of player. Just wait for his review with Elden Ring. He will say it is the greatest game of all time. I am glad we have different opinions on this game instead of everyone praising it and say its a 5 out of 5.

[@joenowak1717]

You called it!

[@markheath14]

It sounds like this game plays better when you take your time with it and engage with the side content. The way Andy played it being the antithesis lol I'd hate to have to lower down to easy to meet a deadline.

[@NathanNeilsen]

Imagine going to a seven course dinner, taking one single bit out of every dish and then saying it was an OKish meal.

[@TheAndyCortez]

@@HermanFalckHow lol

[@NathanNeilsen]

@@HermanFalckHow Yeah, it literally isn't. What a ridiculous thing to say.

[@viceroy2672]

@@Dhbdhjdbd Don't let your excitement for a game turn into you disrespecting and dismissing the opinions of people who actually played it.

[@viceroy2672]

@@Dhbdhjdbd Calling someone pretentious is very disrespectful. I just looked the word up and advise you to do same before you call someone else it. And if the review drained your excitement that's your fault maybe your expectations were to high. Especially if you get so upset to the point were your calling people who actually have experience with the game pretentious, calling them liars and saying that their opinions are unreliable. If you don't want to hear any criticism of a game and don't want to get your feelings hurt I recommend you just stick to watching trailers put out by these companies. Instead of expecting people to say only positive things so not to spoil your excitement just because they gave their opinions.

[@dewaneeraksha6396]

Is it Discord which is causing people's cams to blur them when they are speaking? I'm generally working and listening rather than watching but everytime I look down the speaker is blurry as all get out and everyone else is crisp.

[@ju908]

another weird difference no one prbly noticed between the 1st game and this one tht was a bit of a downside is the elimination long dodge...in the 1st one there was a difference between tapping dodge for a short roll and holding it for a longer roll this was so useful during fights to get away from attacks and stuff taking this away while adding more dangerous machines is weird and a bit of a downside

[@lawrencekassab1226]

Melee is the most powerful tree, everything dies so fast when energized. It's so fun and visceral, you definitely feel the hits. I'm 40 hours in and only 15% of the story complete. Pro tip: Breaced Shot is OP I have mid-late game loot leveled to max or one or two before max. Hunting machines for parts is so fun and rewarding.

[@anasshahid224]

Really fun game man, improved upon Horizon Zero Dawn, the graphics are stunning , the open world is gigantic and a joy to explore, it’s my personal showcase game for the PS5’s graphics and my pick for game of the year 👏👏👏👏 Still enjoy exploring the open world after getting the platinum, it’s the type of game you can explore the world for hours 🙌😊😊

[@thefallenangel01]

How did I go into this review video super hyped and come out the other side pretty meh on the game lol. Especially one that was given a 5/5 at the start. I guess that is the problem with long form review videos where we are just conditioned to rant about negatives otherwise people in chat will say you are being paid off. I also wish the guys didn't have to rush through the game to meet embargo.

[@frankvandermerwe1487]

Andy especially didnt seem to like the game all that much (but i get the feeling he didnt do enough side quests and exploring), and they gave a lot of negatives and focused on it despite giving 5/5 at the start. I just think KF isnt so hot on this franchise

[@jjam22]

feels right to call horizon amazing but it doesn't feel like a best possible score given how critical you all are. andy's take feels most accurate and fair for this one.

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

His was also very subjective. You might connect with characters, as other reviewers have and disagree with what he said.

[@Blballerboy]

Even after he spent 60% of the game playing on easy?

[@jjam22]

​@@blackmanwithcomputer every review is subjective. my point is his words matched his score. everyone else tore the game apart and gave it 5/5 which felt off to me.

[@jjam22]

@@Blballerboy yeah who cares what difficulty a person plays on. he even said easy wasn't a steamroll.

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

@@jjam22 I thought he did the same. He said 4/5, but he came across like he gave it a 3/5.

[@richardw63]

God i love the smell of review season in the morning

[@adcast98]

Barrett these intros a so impressive, you are killing it

[@Smitty9430]

Already pre downloaded the game, but still always watch the KF reviews for the great opinions!

[@RyderTZ]

I love the way Aloy hops onto the ledge at 40:25

[@AM-sl9bq]

In the first game you can travel infinitely to campfires once you have the unlimited travel pack gained in one of the larger settlements. At least that's what I remember.

[@Christopher-s1d1j]

Really glad Andy and Greg were in on this conversation to include more criticism. This review could have turned into a real love fest without them there to level out the discussion. Thanks guys!

[@jeffgordon5658]

Hearing Blessing say he put 8 hour sessions into this - holy smokes! That sounds amazing. But if I only have an hour a day to play this, will I still feel like I’m progressing? Great review and conversation!

[@thefallenangel01]

Sounds like you could do a story mission one day and then do side quests the next. You will progress but just slowly.

[@johnnydi2203]

It will feel like walking through a pool of peanut butter, in Levi's Pipes.

[@Gameonysus]

Yeah if you're really committed to the hours. I beat the game in about 3-4 or 5 sessions maybe 5 max. I did the intro area to get to the opening credits. Then a good chunk of the first area + there's a point where you get 2 main quests at once that speak to the larger conflict of the game and I did one of them. Then I had to put the game down for other work and I came back and beat the game in a single day but I was playing from the early afternoon until like 3am. Obviously if you want to dig into more of the side stuff you wont progress the main story as quickly but it's definitely marathonable and I think the first area goes pretty quick bc you don't have the tools to "explore more" yet.

[@jeffgordon5658]

@@Gameonysus Thanks Janet, that helps :)

[@thenerdynorth]

The new intro gave me CHILLS!!!!

[@gooseberry7222]

I scrolled to end and there was no score graphic .... what was the score?

[@milehighgaming420]

Let’s go!!! I’m currently playing through the first one for the first time

[@RobStevens64]

Not gonna lie, little surprised to hear Sylens isn't in the game more (from what Blessing is suggesting). It really sounded like he was going to be a driving force in the game after how Zero Dawn ended. But if anything, I'm more intrigued now.

[@marchutchens]

I really appreciate that KF has an official review scale, but I feel like it still needs some tinkering - specifically to differentiate between what other sites score as an 8, 9, and 10. When Bless says it’s 5/5 but then in the nuanced conversation he reveals it to actually be less than 5 and more like a 4.5, that seems like a problem to me. Maybe the solution could be adding a 6 for games/movies that are Masterpiece level? I think the easiest solution would just be adopting the 10 point scale because most people can tell the difference between an 8, 9, and 10 🤔

[@sprinter1boy]

Bless started all wrong, he calls it a 5 but straight away says it's not without its issues. That right there instantly fails, however bless is a idiot. I'm having a blast with the game but let's be honest it's a little clunky at times, repetitive puzzles etc. Personally a fantastic 8/10 for me but I'm old school 90s scoring.

[@CresentSoul]

Honestly, they prob decided to use this to get people to stop focusing on the score, like you are doing . Though, that means they should stop talking about the score so much at the start of the video

[@simplymincy]

You all are killing these intros.

[@EliteBlackSash]

I love my guy at the bottom right, because he makes me think of like Commander Zavala’s real world + cooler little brother lol and his laugh / smile in infectious

[@waleedisnowagamecatspecifi1499]

I watched and listened this entire review and i dont see you guys talk much about why this game is amazing and why you all gave it a 5 out of 5. There was a lengthy discussion on quests, melee, dialogues, bugs and lot of negatives, but what about graphics, gameplay, dual sense, story, improvements over zero dawn??

[@spiiny]

Just wanted to let you guys know I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion and video. Love all of the people on this review and look forward to more discourse during the spoilercast for this game. I think both Paris and Janet made great contributions and hope to see and hear more of them in content in the future, you both rock! Yes there were a lot of negatives for a 5/5, but I took it more in the way that you guys were frustrated that those things kept it from being a masterpiece. I definitely heard a lot of positives in the discussion as well, they were just less indepth which could be due to spoilers(thank you for that!). I think some people need to realize that a 5/5 is not always a 100% it could be a 85 or 90. Still a great game and a great review. Thank you!

[@johnb2289]

andy is the guy that when your buddy wins a million dollars and everyone is congratulating him and is super excited he would say “yea thats great but i feel like you could of won a million and one dollars”

[@bendecidospr]

5 minutes in and bless says its a 5/5, but that doesn’t mean its a masterpiece. So, doesn’t this mean that there would be a category beyond 5/5, kind of undermining the 5-point scale? For example, GoW 2018, for me, is a masterpiece, as was TLOU part II.

[@SGustafsson]

Seems like Andy didn't engage with the game enough because he was waiting for Elden ring 😂 I really loved Forbidden West, put 75 hours in to it. And I'm at about 90% completion but the last activities I will not do. Just finished it yesterday so now it's on to Elden ring. (Which seems really big aswell)

[@horizonzerodan477]

Think it's pretty clear every single 1 of them rushed there playthrough to get the review out. It's half a review basically so many of them missed so much and we're like 'oh really' throughout when 1 mentioning something. Really wish they would just play it properly and get a proper review out it...this one is just not worth listening to...they missed so much

[@TheAndyCortez]

i rolled credits at 38 hours. i think that's plenty.

[@ixquiz]

Nothing to do with the scores, but the conversation around the game has kinda killed my excitement for this game :(.

[@golions13579]

The ability to make fast traveling free once you’re at a campfire makes the act of discovering a new campfire way more rewarding.

[@fuzzy3932]

there is a golden fast travel pack in HFW, you just didn't find it yet. The fast travel system is so simple and people make a huge deal out of it

[@Surge7-hs63k]

PLEASE TELL ME! That there os a ton of new machines that we haven't seen yet (but u have) I hope there is a lot more!!!!!!! I am so hyped!!!!

[@ArkaneRogue]

Here's hoping HFW can get away from BOTW now. Other games have done traversal, gliding and climbing before so let's have some fresh takes rather than comparisons. 🙏

[@chrismoore4724]

But now it won't be able to get away from Elden Ring

[@chrismoore4724]

@Vendetta Activist Elden Ring is definitely gonna be good and might just be one of the greatest games of all time

[@pepperoni6816]

Whoever did that intro music needs a huge shout out.

[@mercsquad89]

I cannot wait to see this on oled on my ps5 🤤🤤🤤

[@AdamGoodwin]

Can't wait to play this on my 3080Ti at 4K 120fps without pop-in.

[@detectivesingh]

@@AdamGoodwin you’ll be waiting years for that lol.

[@AdamGoodwin]

@Munveer Singh I'm in no rush to play this. Give it a few weeks, and the game will be half price anyway, plenty of stuff on GamePass. My PS5 has been collecting dust since July last year.

[@OriginalBoondocksXVIII]

@@AdamGoodwin Genuine curiosity: why have the PS5 if you'll be waiting for PC releases of their 1st party content anyway?

[@AdamGoodwin]

@Jay G Because Sony were publicly adamant games like Horizon Forbidden West, GT, GOW Ragnarok were PS5 exclusive games, as we all know now, Sony, shall we say, withheld the truth from us. I had 3 PS5's on release day, I haven't turned them on since July. Meanwhile Microsoft was taking unnecessary heat by being pro consumer with smart delivery, and being upfront about cross-generation games. In a lot of the fanboy console war circles, Microsoft was getting ridiculed, with people saying a new console was unnecessary, because you could play the games on XboxOne. PS5 had 'true' next generation games, and XboxOne would hold back Xbox Series X. Unbeknown to them, Sony had the same strategy, and didn't say anything. Why would you rush out to buy a new console, knowing PS4 would be able to play those games for years to come? It would undermine the fanboy fanbase that largely helped Sony win the start of the PS4 generation, and carried them throughout the generation. Unfortunately, Sony has the most anti-consumer pricing strategy. They have a string of games recently that have been remastered/remade/director cuts etc, they even paywalled Spiderman PS4 to PS5 upgrades. They charge an extra £10 to play the same games on PS5, and have paved the runway for other publishers to charge more money. They received massive backlash about Forbidden West price point, and had to back track. Even now Sony are being really shady. On the PS5 storefront, the cheaper "free" upgradeable PS4 version isn't listed. They also haven't provided any information on how the upgrade works, if you purchase the PS4 version, and pre-download on PS5, only the PS4 version is available for download. They are it making so unnecessary difficult, that my PS5 will only be used for games I can only play on PS5. Cloud saves locked behind a paywall. We also have to buy the game again on PC, even though we already own the game. So why would I waste my money, when I can play the far superior version of Sony games on PC at 4K@120fps, at a reduced cost with DLC included along the improvements rolled in from all the patches, not locked into Sony’s eco system? It's not like Sony games have online components, they are all largely single player native games.

[@TheRageCritics]

Man Andy it really didn’t feel like you thought this game was a 4/5 with how much you poo poo’d all over it for 2 hours. Glad to hear everyone’s opinion on the game including Andy’s. Can’t wait for this game.

[@epicwolf]

Andy is more hyped for Elden Ring. That is his kind of game more.

[@TheAndyCortez]

@@epicwolf nah i like all sorts of games. ghost of tsushima is a 5-Amazing for me.

[@TheAndyCortez]

in a similar way of us sometimes only reading and responding to negative comments, it's easy to focus mostly on the things you think the game could have done better. similarly, we can talk positively about a game for half the time and the comments will focus on our negativity. that's just human nature.

[@TheRageCritics]

@@TheAndyCortez Totally, I just would have liked to have heard more about what you liked about the game. We listen to these reviews for your guys opinions and if not for the beginning where you said it was a 4/5 I would have thought that you really weren’t a huge fan of the game. Not trying to hate or anything I clearly listen to you guys cuz I’m a huge fan. Anyways keep making great content.

[@davidk713]

I hope H3 take more character building tips from Witcher 3. That’s the missing piece. Characters actually feeling like they have a back story and relationships not only with Aloy but others in the world. Hopefully they’ll be able to focus on more dialogue since they don’t have to worry about PS4 anymore.

[@ubergusterfan1]

Here's the problem with this video: now I have to wait a week to actually play the game. So excited!

[@EveryTimeIDavid]

See this review is exactly why I don’t like numerical values in review content. Everyone agrees with Andy’s criticisms of the game but only one says it’s not as high a score as can be given. And he brings up a lot of pretty troubling issues. Even to say that the game has a lot of technical issues on the patch… Idk. I feels weird to me, and feels like there are just going to be a lot of 4’s and 5’s for the reviewable games (without a real good way to differentiate between the two - if this is a 5 despite all the problems). Kind of limits the usefulness of having a scale at all.

[@allandm]

Melee needed some sort of lock on and a block/ parry to be more funI think

[@timcrowell8096]

At some points it sounded like more of a 3/5 and more generally a 4/5 game based on the review seeming to mainly be filled with complaints. Definitely didn't sound like a 5/5 from listening to this.

[@Blballerboy]

@@adblockevery1243basic bugs like enemies clipping are not as intrusive or game breaking like entire dialog options missing and cutscenes glitching like past Bethesda games

[@AnimalFarm8]

I think it would be cool for you guys to expand upon your scoring system. Like, really tell us what you look for in a 1-5 game. Like what makes a game Amazing and not great. They are pretty subjective terms, as reviews are in general, but some elaboration would be nice.

[@datflamekid111]

Waited till 3 am for this!

[@Brentyboysmith]

Oh y’all showing off with the intro! Nice touch! 🔥

[@petergriffin374]

I platinum’d this game without using a single valor surge. That being said loved the game I want more

[@alsowinning7524]

Oof Janet not getting a word in edge wise

[@sprinter1boy]

Did these rush through the game, I'm on 35 hours and only 16% completion ? Your missing the whole point of the game battering fast travel and ruining the game for yourself to get the review out .

[@X5J2UY]

This review was pretty rough tbh. I personally think that it's great how KF seems to be more critical about games than before, but it seems that you have overcorrected your approach. 4 people gave this game a 5 out of 5 and after watching this review, I have NO idea why. This sounded more like a 3-4 out of 5. Once Andy started to share his criticism, which was well put btw, you all pretty much just talked about the problems for the rest of the review. Something very similar happened with Sifu. Once Tamoor started to share his opinion, you guys spend 80% of the review highlighting the weaknesses until Tim kinda stepped in. Would have loved to hear more from Parris, who barely spoke in almost 2 hours...I just checked and after the first early impressions, Parris started speaking again 60 minutes in (for only a couple of minutes)!!!. You need to find a better way to let everyone speak. @AndyCortez: How much side content did you play? Based on most reviews, the main story + a few side quests takes around 35 hours long. If you finished the game after 38 hours, then you didn't seem to have tried a lot of the side stuff. Was it due to time constraints or did you just not enjoy it (genuinely curious)?

[@thomasalley3121]

I agree. Pretty poor moderation here. Greg should have done more to get Parris and Janet involved.

[@TheAndyCortez]

i honestly got caught up fighting a lot of random cool looking monsters lol i did about 5 side quests and like 2 or 3 other random things that are called "jobs" or "hunts" or whatever

[@X5J2UY]

@@TheAndyCortez lol I see. That sounds like something that would happen to me too :D Appreciate your response and your critique of the game.

[@TheAndyCortez]

@@X5J2UY i do think when we're having a discussion, it's easy to get caught up on negative things. we'll be more aware of that in the future. i see lots of people pointing out other outlet's reviews and it's tough to compare us to those because those are carefully crafted scripts being read on camera by usually one person. when it's 4-5 people shooting the shit, sometimes one aspect of the game is brought up (negative and positive) and then 2-4 people want to reply with their views on it.

[@X5J2UY]

@@TheAndyCortez Yeah, it was very noticeable with Sifu and Horizon. Probably because some people on the panel want to agree with a few criticisms that you had, but then each one adds something new and the positives can get 'lost in the sauce' or just get mentioned for a short time. I personally do not mind all of you highlighting some issues, but when you spend most of the review talking about those, while stating early on that this game is great to amazing, it can get confusing to understand WHY you like the game. But don't worry about how other outlets review their games. KF should do what KF does best - free flowing conversations!

[@DanXcel]

Overall this review was far far more critical and negative than what’s reflected in all your review scores…especially Andy’s score. I still enjoyed the discussions tho I’m just offering some feedback!

[@joenowak1717]

Hey all! Can anyone, in a non spoiler way, say what "THE PLACE" is they are referring to? I am dying to know if i got there yet (as California is my home state). Thanks!

[@MrJamess1982]

Does anyone have a review of this game on a base PS4? I heard about the PS5 and the PS4 Pro to some extent but I want to know how this plays on the original PS4.

[@Amouroso]

I love Janet 😭🥺 such a great addition to the team

[@CraftedJedi66]

I agree. She's been a fantastic addition to the team. I just wish they'd let her get a word in! 40 minutes in and she's only talked once? Twice? The rest of them continually cut her off just as she's starting to speak.

[@CraftedJedi66]

@@Dhbdhjdbd Hey man, instead of being obnoxiously obtuse, why not have a legit discussion? I'd be happy to hear your views on the subject.

[@CraftedJedi66]

@@Dhbdhjdbd Saying they're pretentious is a bit much. Talking about negatives in a non spoiler review is simply easier, especially after a day one patch. They'll rave about the game more when they can actually go into story and core gameplay. They're just being critical, not outright trashing the game. On another note, if you don't exactly like them, why do you watch?

[@elJong]

10 years ago, when someone says 40-hours of gameplay, I would say, 'MORE'! Now, I was hoping that this was a 20-25 hour game so I have could roll credits at a reasonable time 😅 But these reviews help in giving me a different perspectives of the game! I will wait until a few months to rock HFW and would probably try Elden Ring first for the February/March games!

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

I think Elden Ring will be a bigger, longer game than HFW. If I were you I'd play through Horizon first, although it's still a big game you'll get through it long before you would get through Elden Ring.

[@elJong]

@@vgnvideogameninja2930 Elden Ring will definitely be longer, but I play so slow, if I start Horizon, once Elden Ring drops (something I like more narratively) if I don't finish Horizon, I will never finish it 😅