Horizon Forbidden West - Tilda Saves Aloy and Explains THE TRUTH about Far Zenith

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[@BlazyDayz]

Tilda: Hush. All is not lost. *becomes the fucking sun*

[@static2397]

Lmao 💀💀💀

[@blitzwaffe]

SOOOLAAAR FLAAAARE

[@mrtruman4339]

*THE* *RADIANCE*

[@pedrojorge1912]

I loved all this scheming in Forbidden West. Syllens was using Regalla and acting behind Aloy's back with the base strike, while Aloy in return was acting with Tilda behind his back with their own invasion plan. Tilda herself betrayed the Zeniths in favour of Aloy, but also was acting behind Aloy's back, not telling the Zeniths' master plan. While Aloy teammed with Beta, Alva and Kotallo to act behind Tilda's back, by releasing Hephaestus at the printer and getting the full Zeniths' data. Syllens, Tilda and Aloy all worked together but all acted behind each other's back.

[@victorvalenzuela7626]

That’s what blew me away….. they all wanted to be one step ahead of each other.

[@rael7298]

Woman reading a letter - Tilda's view of Beta vs Elizabeth Sobeck Selene and Endymion - Tilda working with Aloy, partly because of her love for Elizabeth Jeremiah - Tilda thinks she's a prophet that sees the fall of Far Zenith The Night Watch - Tilda sees herself as the girl in white that no one from Far Zenith sees but 'knows' something The Gust - Tilda's plan to leave earth after getting Gaia Van Vianen's lidden ewer - Tilda's desire to use Gaia to create the perfect world in memory of Elizabeth, who herself was a famous 'silversmith' (terraformer engineer) in her own right Statue pulling out own hair - A reflection of Tilda's own maddness and grief being stuck with Far Zenith who retreated to holoworld's rather than achieving more

[@aeriamamaduck]

Amazing!

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

Noticed that at first hand. And what about sculptures? What can you say about them. Because I have only some small clues about those things.

[@memegamingzz9911]

Hey! Thats awesome!

[@rael7298]

@@arcturuslwowski3056 Just added something about Van Vianen's lidden ewer

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

@@rael7298 Thanks!

[@KRISIS1451]

Ya know. If Tilda and Elisabet were intimate, I'm guessing Tilda was the one that got hold of her genetic material.

[@BHRamsay]

I kinda feel bad suggesting this but there's a little bit of crazy going on with Tilda. Makes me wonder if Elisabet backed away from her bcuz she was a little too intense.

[@ashiraecho2039]

Yeah that does make sense.

[@chocoalmondfudge]

@@BHRamsay true. She had this "obsession" of Elisabet. And I think I read some corrupted log (only relied from KZbinrs to see the game) that she betrayed Elisabet or something like that. I would not want that kind of partner tbh

[@alexyadayada4487]

You’re probably right. I doubt the other Zeniths wanted her on the Odyssey, to be given immortality.

[@jayphill7043]

Ha!

[@sannyan848]

Did you guys notice her approach towards Elizabeth is the same with Aloy. Well rested, breakfast, head cleared etc ummm she's a good manipulator.

[@fefecalo5150]

Astute observation! I didn't even realize that. It truly cemented it when she described Beta as an "inferior copy" 😤

[@Sam-pr9rr]

@@fefecalo5150realized she was grooming beta…

[@V8Supercar1]

Honestly. I think Tilda is just horny as hell.

[@donpula6349]

​@fefecalo5150 Yeah, I hated that she called Beta inferior.

[@yurig.1786]

@V8Supercar1 hahahaha I think the same

[@WikiSorcerer]

What's with Carrie-Anne Moss playing Machiavellian lesbians?

[@ThePreciseClimber]

A sentence I did not expect to encounter today.

[@WikiSorcerer]

@@ThePreciseClimber But true none-the-less.

[@heinz57channel39]

@@WikiSorcerer one hell of a type cast to have

[@roachdoggjr419]

Did tilda have a relationship with elisabet? I thought she just really looked up to her

[@rael7298]

Her voice suits the short-hair lesbian look, and has a certain sharpness suitable for machiavellian undertones

[@verskarton]

Those first 15 minutes just saved me an ticket to the Rijksmuseum.

[@Fingerscrossedout]

Hahaha true!

[@ZeroUs30]

I didn’t give a crap about her collection when I played, went straight to the front door. Was too pissed off to give a shit lmao

[@TessaTickle]

go anyway, there's nothing like seeing the real deal.

[@eden20111]

@@ZeroUs30 I disagree. I loved every moment of that art

[@decusq]

Tilda is a fascinating character study for a villain. A Sociopathic manipulator who masquerades as a guiding hand or teacher, a beacon of emotional comfort that hides a Groomer. She idolizes those she thinks are her betters but still tries to control them as we can assume from her talks with Sobek. She couldn't contest with Sobek on a scientific level but somehow she still was able to use her emotional manipulation to get past her paranoia and emotional barriers. Enough so to not only get Apollo but possibly her DNA to make a clone... or more that we may not know of *shivers* scary idea Tilda trying to remake Sobek for 1000 years.

[@MeesdeFilmliefhebber]

Ha! Nice to see some Dutch heritage portrayed in a massive game like this! It is a game made by the Dutch, after all. The fact that Tilda is Dutch herself really makes me wonder what my country would be like in the world of Forbidden West.

[@bottasheimfe5750]

back to the way it was before you guys built all your dams and dikes you little beavers of people

[@qionsaber2870]

Probably flooded.

[@LordTelperion]

Much of what makes the USA noble comes from the old Dutch core.

[@transformerstuff7029]

"wonder what my country would be like in the world of Forbidden West." Water......ik gok vooraal heel veel water. lol

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

Well, at least she's that one Dutch who really had a plan! Not like another who said that have a plan and in the end never had a plan.😉

[@juanpablorobayo9891]

"Aren't Selene and Endymion cold?" "Perhaps we should move on to another piece." chilling

[@benm5970]

I love Tilda’s voice, Carrie Ann Moss’ deliveries give off such a strong vibe of a cold, heartless manipulator who uses small acts of kindness to trick you into believing that she cares about you

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

Tilda is the typical covert manipulator, using feelings all the time instead of facts. All her explanations only make sense, if you don´t think about them - the moment you start thinking, questions start to arise.

[@Bustermachine]

It certainly speaks to the fact that she was far more dangerous, after a millenia of emotionally atrophying than most of the other surviving Zeniths.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

@@Bustermachine each manipulator is dangerous no matter how old they are. Although they are more dangerous to people, they know more about, but it all boils down to the personal integrity of their victim.

[@kentslocum]

It's especially interesting to watch this after knowing the whole story, and then seeing how much Tilda lies or glosses over facts. A good reminder to be cautious about taking things at face value.

[@jlfitzg1]

Amidst the artwork analysis and incorporation of symbolism of the game’s characters, the writers still managed to include a small bit of humor when Aloy asks, “Aren’t Selene and Endymion cold?”

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Man, what a sequel. Also impressive the first game had lots of foreshadowing.

[@Hamza-xj6wj]

what forshadowing in zero dawn ?

[@ThePreciseClimber]

@@Hamza-xj6wj Off the top of my head, the following were mentioned in Horizon 1 (datapoints & conversations): Forbidden West The Daunt Cinnabar Sands Tenkath tribe Utaru tribe Far Zenith The Odyssey spaceship Life-prolonging pharmaceuticals FZ's cloning technology Testing Hades with copies of Gaia Missing Subordinate Functions Hades' "Masters" (the Mysterious Signal) Ted's Thebes bunker Ted's Omega Clearance Demeter's Metal Flowers (Adamantine Wreath)

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

So not only did Elisabet save the world, but she smashed Trinity too? Bar is set pretty high…

[@chelseaestebat1121]

Ah this entire scene is when I was yelling "AND YOU COULDN'T HAVE SAVED VARL TOO?!!!?" everytime Tilda speaks i never trusted her because of that

[@decusq]

Tilda had no use for Varl, her near perfect copy of Elizabeth Sobek is all she wanted and no one else. I do imagine she could have saved him but I think this was another plot for her to use Aloy's emotional side to fuel her anger and blind her to her real plan. Thankfully Aloy knew better. I really hated that Varl died, from the moment i saw him in the games opening I felt like they were setting him up with a death flag so bad.

[@SohCahToa_enthusiast16]

Tilda had her eyes set upon Aloy from the very beginning, in her first appearance she expresses her wish to tale Aloy with her after her realisation that she was a clone of Elisabet Sobeck. She may have seen Varl as a danger to her plan, someone to rip a gaping hole in her story of lies and take away Elisabet from her again, she had someone else do the dirty work, absolving herself of responsibility in the process, which left her with the perfect opportunity to take Aloy with her and satisfy her hunger to resolve her regret.

[@notayetti555]

@@decusq FUCK! Now that I realize.... we can't really escape to "The black guy dies first." can we?

[@a3s1r1986]

"Aren't Selene and Endymion cold?" No, Aloy. Not from what I've seen from Sailor Moon at least.

[@amukhb8608]

Gah she's so cute 🖤😭🤣

[@mfeliciano993]

I think the scariest part of this game is how much it mirrors current life. The earth is dying, the rich are trying to find a way to live in space to avoid the cataclysm of a barren wasteland. We have people trying to save the earth, but they’re not enough. It’s crazy.

[@jelioooo]

lol wut

[@acdcfan014]

@@jelioooo what did you misunderstand?

[@BlackWolf-pk8tx]

@@jelioooo climate change, possibly if humanity still alive in 2050 maybe rouge AI will destroy humanity.

[@DeadPizza]

Eh who fucking cares

[@sannyan848]

Damn right

[@Daehawk]

Its amazing the story the devs wove for this game. Shame all of the Zenith folk were power mad fools. They were a living tie to old Earth and could have been great allies and friends wit ha wealth of knowledge and immortality.

[@defalt2838]

everything is okay with FW but about the zenith is lacking tbh .zeniths are bad because they're bad , well maybe except for stanley chan i guess. at the same time killing erik was satisfying with just one move

[@narulovechannel2249]

Imagine Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and the rest of the multibillionaires becoming immortal. What would they do?

[@TheZachary86]

@@defalt2838 The problem if you live for a thousand years, you’d bound to be corrupted. Besides the ending revealed they didn’t really wanted to destroy earth. They were just dicks

[@Techischannel]

Immortality + Power + Lack of Wisdom yet so much knowlege, results in hubris, madness and a form of corruption that is undesireable.

[@Bustermachine]

@Perfect Cocktails I personally didn't think it was that bad. But I agree it's not on quite the same level as the first. Zero Dawn had the benefit that we didn't know anything about the world or how it wound up this way, which allowed a lot more control in its narrative.

[@GamersDogma]

I like how all the painting represents the relationship between Tilda and Elisabet.

[@Cabrasis]

This monologue alone was enough to convince me that Tilda was completely batshit and obsessed with Elizabet not in love.

[@littlelunatic4336]

Tilda is a collector of antiquities. She likes to collect beautiful, valuable things and lock them up in vaults, all for herself. She is emotionally manipulative and insincere. You’re right that what she felt for Sobek and now Aloy isn’t love but an obsessive infatuation to ‘collect’ her.

[@operationangel7940]

Something I noticed about Tilda talking about art. She only talks about the feelings said art conveys. Even how the art was created, various facts and misconceptions, all tie back into one thing: Emotion. Even when describing the message the artist tries to convey always goes back to emotion and feeling. It gives us a unique insight into Tilda’s thought process. She is smart, yes, but intelligence is not what drives her decisions. Only her emotions matter to her. Not only is Tilda controlled to her emotions, her feelings, it is also the basis of all her manipulation. She may seem calm and collected, but gazing at her you feel her regret, her disconnect, and ultimately her madness.

[@mac_attack_zach]

Funny how despite what the title says, she didn't reveal the whole truth here.

[@williamang9649]

Exactly

[@donpula6349]

True, she explained half truths especially she is the lover of Elisabet. She regretted of leaving her behind on Earth since a 1000 years. When she saw Aloy the way she acts reminds Tilda of her. Thats why she wanted them to eliminate the Zeneth & take Aloy with her by force along with Gaia alone. Just to refresh a new start & find & create another new world & people for themselves as gods till Aloy refused to go with her & start battling each other & then defeated. I'll say Tilda is a sad villain who lost the only person she loved most.

[@itzdcx7991]

Yes technically at the end she fully did after killing all the other zeniths

[@itzdcx7991]

In the game it also hinted that there was other Zeniths

[@metalfuhrer3115]

The llover of elizabeth ? 😆

[@itzdcx7991]

Aloy wasted no time killing her 🤔🤔

[@Damodred_Heiress]

Tilda only tried to kidnap her and take her to space, leaving the Earth to rot?

[@itzdcx7991]

@@Damodred_Heiress yes but it out of love A selfish protective love that is

[@Whimsy3692]

@@itzdcx7991 And Aloy loving life on Earth is stupid, then.

[@HaloisTight]

I'm surprised no-one has made a Hellfire music video about Tilda wanting Aloy.

[@syahmuse86]

While the rest fz on chaos, tribe goes insane, hepha on rampage...here's tilda seducing aloy in art 😂😂😂

[@Conmon115]

I haven’t seen long cutscenes like these since the original Metal Gear Solid games.

[@antonragustudio]

I didn't know that 😳

[@Conmon115]

@@antonragustudio Watch some cutscene movies of those games and you’ll see what I’m talking about.

[@davidle5700]

The game was so good i failed to realize it was this long of a cutscene. It is a good time to revisit the old Metal Gear Solid Cutscenes due to the Ukraine crisis.

[@Bustermachine]

To be fair you can skip all but six minutes of this cutscene (about 4/5ths of it) which, in fact, consists of more than just the conversation with Tilda. I feel like it's a little bit loaded since these sort of conversation wheel dialogues are kind of optional.

[@AndromedaKai]

My PS4 yassified Aloy's face on my playthrough right where this video starts, it confused the hell out of me. She suddenly got darker eyes, very pink baby face without much texture and beauty guru eyebrows. I wish I took a screenshot or something, but I was just so confused XD

[@nightowl3582]

Wouldn't be shocked if she's somehow back in Horizon:Nemesis(that's what I'm calling it).

[@a_sandrina_p]

Exactly. The scene doesn’t show her dead, just the arm. Probably she could have survived

[@alfredmarcos1761]

This reminded me of Noob from BFF's sipping wine while the chaos his friends were at in the background.

[@halfbreed1426]

30:20, Trinity starts talking about the Space Matrix.

[@merciless41582]

I had to hear Tilda’s voice and her motion capture for a minute then it donned on me. That look and voice sounds familiar. None other than Carrie Anne Moss aka Trinity from The Matrix. Some parts in this game reminds me of the Matrix as well.

[@thegravewalker3712]

This reminds me of another race of gods that influence two groups since the crusades

[@fyreborneblu6706]

Shadows and the Vorlons, Greyish Order and Greyish Chaos...

[@Jacey2197]

@@fyreborneblu6706 assassins creed

[@eden20111]

The ISU from Assassins Creed

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

Isu from Assassin's Creed. But why I think about Tilda like some kind of Juno.

[@nystrm3641]

I guess there is one rule in the distant future of Earth: DON'T FUCK WITH ARIA... I mean TILDA

[@venomsnakessidepiece]

The shot where there’s a dialogue wheel frames them in such a way opposed to each other, one of the old world and new world. It’s like Sobek and Tilda are never eye-to-eye in the here and now, but clashing and out of sync.

[@mohammadarifulislam1081]

To realize that half of what Tilda said were lies.

[@Bustermachine]

Oh she was defintely being manipulative, but I get the feeling that she was mostly lying by omission or by manipulating the truth, casting it in the most favorable light for herself, rather than speaking outright falsehoods. Her feeling of misery surroudned by the other Zenith's, for instance, I think was sincere. How she talks about her art collections suggests she still has a lot more emotional bandwidth than some of her compatriots. To a degree, I think she was even lying to herself to justify her attempted abduction of Aloy.

[@decusq]

@@Bustermachine I would agree a lot with that analysis of her character. She's very guarded when she doesn't see opportunity. However with her near perfect copy of Elizabet Sobek she still has to let some of her true colors come out just for her. Enough to try and lure Aloy into emotional comfort but not enough to let Aloy onto her real plan. I imagine just like Elizabet she planned that whole approach to her form the moment she finished watching her focus life unfold before her eyes. Telling her about her being alone and isolated as an orphan, definitely chosen specifically. Constantly saying how isolated she is amoung the other zeniths and even her human peers wehn she was still human. Then telling Aloy she got along with Elizabet well enough to get to know her. She chose her words carefully to try and trap her but just like Sobek, Aloy had the upper hand here. She never trusted her even with her olive branches.

[@alexhristov1067]

What is the name of the soundtrack in 43:44?

[@vivismentallyunstable]

AKA. The breakfast scene

[@dekmew05]

Trinity going for a lighter look 👌

[@SimplymeSVEN18]

Poor Selene still getting confused with Artemis it seems.

[@rnasdnx]

it's a shame that tilda has died,she was one of the most cooler characters in this universe,she was so beautiful so elegant,when i see her i really wished that her become a permanent member in the aloy allies.

[@ofearghailthefearless6481]

No lie, when Tilda was being downright dismissive of Varl's death, I called her the C word and put some arrows in her paintings.

[@noctemluxarmiger]

What'd she say about that? Because I literally want to do that rn. She dismissed Varl's death WAY to quickly. I was strange.

[@ofearghailthefearless6481]

@@noctemluxarmiger when she was expecting Aloy to look at the paintings despite Aloy freshly grieving her friend's death, that's when I sort of lost it

[@noctemluxarmiger]

@@ofearghailthefearless6481 That was fair. Very fair.

[@austinjt4264]

Tilda's death, don't make sense. Her Prime Vectra is too insanely powerful for Stick & Stones. Alloy shouldn't be able to kill her at all. Beside, she was "ALWAYS" one step ahead of the others... if I was her, I would have created a second shield, a much, much better shield and activate it once Sylen deactivate her original shield. She had the knowledge, she was calculative, she was cautious and as she stated here, something she learned long ago... The important of "Back Doors" yet she didn't nothing against Sylen's machine to deactivate her shield. Basically, walks free "Unprotected".

[@SohCahToa_enthusiast16]

If i was Tilda i would have found an excuse to be away from the battle so Sylens weapon didn’t affect her Then show up at the end and steal Aloy with no way of retaliation from her allies

[@austinjt4264]

@@SohCahToa_enthusiast16 Nah... she wouldn't walk away. She doesn't seems to be afraid of Far Zenith and Alloy teams are really not a threat to her at all. They only way they could defeat far zenith was element of surprise and tactics. And zenith were too corky. If it's a head-on battle. Everyone would lost to them, including Alloy. So there is no reason for Tilda to be walking away from this. And if I was her and loved Alloy that much, I wouldn't walk away either. Alloy could get killed.

[@SohCahToa_enthusiast16]

@@austinjt4264 well obviously they where if she knew they had a weapon which would permanently disable her shield, you either didn’t understand what i said or you think im arguing about something else

[@SohCahToa_enthusiast16]

@@austinjt4264 also she doesn’t care for aloy, she cares for a perfect elisabet sobeck clone, she could EASILY make another

[@SohCahToa_enthusiast16]

@@austinjt4264 apologies- eight months in hindsight my comment makes absolutely no sense

[@maryannrabo8258]

I am guessing that Tilda isn’t “finished” yet

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

I don't think she died. Maybe we will have at this universe The Illusive Woman, if you know what I mean. But I think there will be The Illusive Man. And we know what is his name.

[@draege626]

One true thing I've learned from video games is. Hair is sentient.

[@sophie_horizon5738]

I love this character I think she was just lost and confused after everything she dealt with Elisabet. 💕

[@gbdeck200]

Honestly shes a creeper, even before the end, Elisabeth realized that and ditched her and she never let it go

[@Leoo117]

True, but I think she was lost and confused before she met Elizabet. Lost people can either decide to be humble, and find the genuine truth in things and themselves, and accept things and people as they are, and love in a way that allows them to be free, or they can become haughty, not look for truth, and try to control circumstances and people around them in order to make themselves feel better about their insecurities and how lost they are, all while staying lost, because those methods only make things worse, not help. This type of stuff happens in real life, and I think the writers really got it right with this type of personality style. People like that often become creepers or kidnappers, due to their control issues, and lack of self-control.

[@MasterofthisReality]

I don't know if I'd be able to play this game just because my OCD would get triggered every time her hair freaked out

[@xzenitramx666]

Every fantasy. Oh boy she may had a lot of those with elizabeth. Thats why she wanted Aloy to go with her by force.

[@masterchief5231]

I knew I can only trust Regalla

[@claude6941]

I’m having difficulty identifying the background track. I find it soothing. Can anyone help me identify it ?

[@saltytears4195]

All that remains ost

[@moreblack]

Love makes people do crazy things. Tilda was willing risk sparing Aloy for the chance to reconnect with at least Elisabet's likeness, the next best thing to having her back after a millenia. All this time she could not forget about Lis. That likeness was probably a big reason she was the one to be nice to, and treat Beta better than the rest of the Zeniths. In the end Tilda trying to save Aloy cost her her life.

[@nickvanheester633]

Vrouw leest een brief, i never expected I would see one of the paintings my grandparents owned be used in my favourite videogame. Haha when tilda called sylens a busy bee i instantly told to myself : well for a guy named sylens he has been awfully noisy lol. Could be a funny erend joke

[@youmongrel]

Does anyone else feel like the Nemesis thing at the end was a hastily written cash grab for a third installment? It made sense that the Zeniths were here to take Earth back to stay, but that they're running from a scary cloud of angry through the galaxy seemed like a toss-in.

[@felixthecat580]

I don't think it was a hastily written cash grab, they took a long time to developed the game so i'm sure they planned it. I wasn't really thrilled with it either, the Zeniths were great but the whole Nemesis thing just felt like they were trying to make the story have larger and larger stakes without a huge amount of thought into it. I think if they spent more time on Nemesis in the story and it wasn't just a random thing that popped up in the last 15 minutes of the game that literally had no foreshadowing it would have felt better.

[@sannyan848]

Don't forget about Vast silver. I believe there's more to uncover.

[@AlexisR-mw8ky]

The whole zenith story felt hastily written to me.

[@gbdeck200]

Definitely was It's so strange to make such a cartoonish entity the final enemy in a franchise that's so dryly realism

[@khdzstudio]

@@felixthecat580 I don't think its a cash grab it could be the use for the metal flowers. Some kind of geo field.

[@nielsjonkeren4379]

Oliebollen for breakfast, why is no one talking about that? On topic, great game certanly one of the best stories out there.

[@1234_Flux]

They didn't eat their breakfast 😨

[@ngelemental2274]

playing this game now on pc and looking back on the original ps5 edition its crazy, first off i play this game in HDR and WOWWWW does it make a difference yall especially on oled, also her hair is so wonky on here for some reason but that could very much just be the armor this guy is wearing in this video. also there is a good chance this isnt a ps5 tho

[@Mo_Mudabber]

Twilda Swanson?

[@dalthorn]

If only.

[@resonanceofambition]

GEKOLONISEERD

[@whocaresidontfuckoff]

Tilda was the best side story of the game by far. It is clear that she genuinely cared about both Elisabeth and Aloy, and I do believe that she even cared a bit about beta, only to prefer Aloy as she was a more complete version of her love turned guilt/obsession. I am sorry that we had no choice but to kill her in the end, everyone on earth would've been doomed if it wasn't for her saving Aloy and help them against the zeniths, no matter if her intentions weren't as pure of heart as she made them. The fact that Aloy preferred to stop Sylen's bloodshed and save the tenakt rather than allowing them to die as a distraction made Tilda love her and see more of Elisabeth in her than even before.

[@gozogo1233]

What Beta lacked was a parental figure like Miriam and Rost, which is why Elisabet and Aloy are more similar compared to Beta

[@Rammstein0963.]

Erm...truly cared? No, what you see here is an obsessive manipulator. Tilda is just aa bad as Gerard from a different angle.

[@whocaresidontfuckoff]

@@Rammstein0963. yet, tilda risked everything for love and to save aloy, gerard cared only for himself.

[@crowe5279]

Tilda didn't care for aloy or beta😬she called beta an 'inferior copy' also she was going to kidnap aloy and take her away from her friends as a replacement for elisabet. she was a great villain, but not a friend to either aloy or beta

[@kilroy987]

THE TRUTH

[@trishapellis]

Talk about a colored interpretation (and cherry-picking of facts) of the myth of Endymion. Selene had Zeus put him in an eternal sleep so she could look at him forever... and there is at least one account that she had fifty daughters by him. It's the original Sleeping Beauty, complete with somnophilia. Also, the goddess associated with chastity is Artemis - also a goddess associated with the moon, but she is not Selene - and Artemis just wasn't interested in boinking - no vow of chastity required.

[@QAnswer]

Art History 101

[@JoshJazz01]

So tilda swinton goes onto live forever?

[@sya8109]

Tilda…Trinity…hmm

[@jerryvarghese581]

You know, that title is kinda misleading... Hehe ..

[@ashleytsuigamer]

The zeniths are all so white maybe they became vampires to gain immortality🤔

[@calmondey4214]

so, Tilda wants that snacc that is Aloy to continue to be immortal

[@gbdeck200]

1000 yr old groomer

[@riekopo7638]

Why tilda lying about what happened to Far Zenith colony?

[@Dx_Hearted]

I dont trust Tilda she is up to something suspicious

[@wallriderlastlight4762]

Her voice puts me to sleep 😴

[@geminigaming6102]

Never played the game but by this video I already hate the hair physics xD

[@roachdoggjr419]

They are a bit much but you get used to it

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

This game should have been The Best Game Of The Year 2022! No doubt of that! Ideal sequel like Mass Effect 2, mechanics amazing like or even better than The Elder Scrolls, story better than The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt... Ladies and gentlemen, hats off! Guerilla Games are truly the real masters. From some minor video games, through FPS series known as Killzone where we fight against Space Nazis called Helghast to Horizon, which is the next generation of RPGs. Btw. I don't think Tilda died. Maybe she tricked us somehow and maybe there are more Zeniths at Earth, for example some renegades, whose rebelled against this Matrix-like futuristic society.

[@TurKlack]

And this looks like the point where the worldbuilding went to lalaland. ugh.

[@angelsackson]

They really did make Aloy proper ugly for no reason except feminism… LOL, that moment she wakes up, ergh.

[@Whimsy3692]

I really got psyched for what _looked like_ what was happening. Minor spoilers for the game, but Tilda and Elisabet were close. With Aloy being an outcast, shunned by her tribe, only a father figure to look up to, and being a bold, independent woman, imagine my excitement when it looked like a *mother figure* was finally stepping into her life. I mean, having a mountain as a mother isn't exactly the same. That's like, all she ever wanted to find out in the first game. Yes, her real "mom" is Elisabet, but she can't have two moms? Like an adopted one? I WISH Guerilla just left her character alone, and this tea party thing on her balcony would be her character. I kind of liked the gentle, wise and intuitive approach they were going with her. It compliments Aloy's swift, active, brash character so well. Sometimes Aloy might need a person to just sit down with in her life and talk about deeper things. Imagine how many QUESTIONS Aloy would have about Elisabeth, and Tilda would have the answers for. They could talk for hours about JUST THAT. *Sigh.* But instead. Guerilla effed that up, too. Not a fan of what happens at the end of the game. Man, they should have had the balls to just have SYLENS' true colors leak through, and be the bad guy, instead of the other way around. I would have liked a new addition to our cast.

[@pedronunez1265]

A thought. "What if she isn't dead?" Tilda that is. You never know! I also liked her character. Until she ended up being a manipulative sociopath. Hopefully she is still alive and will be redeemed in the next game 🙏

[@gbdeck200]

She was crazy from the get go moment she showed her a museum after kidnapping her Also would be weird as a mum figure after grooming Beta

[@stitch1088]

I honestly loved the twist with Tilda. She never wanted to be a motherly figure to Aloy, she wanted Aloy to replace Elisabeth, her long lost love, out of guilt from how their relationship ended and spending a millenia obsessing over Sobeck. You get breadcrumbs of foreshadowing right from the start of the game; the datapoints of convos between Tilda and Elisabeth, up until the introduction of Beta - think about it; Tilda was intimate with Elisabeth for a while. If someone managed to steal Liz's DNA, it had to be her. She tried to groom Beta into the Elisabeth she knew and loved, but ended up leaving her when she realized Beta turned out to be an emotional mess. Meanwhile Aloy reminded her of the formidable force Liz was, and therefore she wanted her. I think this perfectly plays into Aloy's main arc in Forbidden West, which main theme is about her learning to trust and rely on others, while also slowly realizing the void of romance in her life and how she actually longed for it too (its subtle, but pay attention to how hurt she looked when she saw Varl and Zo, also Talanah and Amadis). In juxtaposition, Tilda came in and tried to win her trust and provided with the (yet again, subtle, but its there if you pay attention) offer of romance, but with a very dark twist.

[@georgebrown8493]

First game is much better

[@Marzeth]

Bad form. Thumbnail and title spoilers. Blocking channel.

[@VideoGameSophistry]

Nice!

[@ugoeze7360]

@@VideoGameSophistry 😂🤣🤣

[@SoundwaveTheSuperior]

Wait Tilda is a he?

[@sportsjefe]

What? No, they're lesbians.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Yeah I gotta say this game was pretty dissapointing. Varls death was dumb and Tilda as the final boss was dumb too. Wasn't impressed. 7/10

[@A_Crumplebottom]

It's these types of videos that i find beyond insensitive. The story is written in the name of the video. Spoiling it for anyone just browsing and spoiling it for anyone who has not had the money to buy the game yet. Why not just name it as part 30 or however many chapters it is. Selfish.

[@VideoGameSophistry]

The game is 2 weeks out and moreover it’s not a walkthrough it’s designed to showcase this very specific scene - I could have went into even more detailed but decided not to. There really is no winning here eh?

[@robertherek4020]

Seems to me that if someone doesn't want spoilers they would probably avoid watching videos about it. There is this thing called personal responsibility. Is it the creators fault you or anyone else clicked on there video AND watched it all the way thru? No. It's the individual persons. If the game or story are spoiled for them they have only themselves to blame. How does this fact get over looked so often

[@Fingerscrossedout]

@@VideoGameSophistry your titles spoil a lot. I don't have any money to play the game and it's literally only two weeks, not even months! Like wtf

[@kingRichardSteve]

@@Fingerscrossedout and original commenter, how can this spoil anything if you haven't played the game nor watched the story of Forbidden West? This would be very out of context for someone like that and you'd still be clueless as to what's happening. Plus, you didn't come here by mistake. You either searched for Forbidden West on KZbin or you've been watching a lot of videos about Horizon so you get recommend. Stop being so toxic because of a simple video with some story. The game is two weeks and it is your responsibility for clicking it. Shut up with the spoiler stuff already!

[@ugoeze7360]

Because there are others who don’t care about not being spoiled and just want to find out about the lore instead of seeing a title “Part 30” and having to scroll through hours of video or having to guess what an ambiguous title is about. If anything, you’re selfish for thinking that KZbin revolves around what you want. If you and anyone else wants a walkthrough, here’s a tip: type in the name of the game and add “walkthrough” to the search.

[@keandregreen5628]

They have to add something gay to everything

[@noctemluxarmiger]

Truly. It's everywhere. Understandable but then people would complain about them not doing it too. So it's a pick your poison at this point. Do or do not.

[@calmondey4214]

? at least in this case it might sense and it wasn't horrible forced

[@KaiInMotion]

Boo hoo, it must be so challenging for you to acknowledge that gay people exist. We also play video games. And I'm pretty sure some employees at this developer are probably gay. Not everything is about you.

[@redcheck4624]

If you can't fathom why lots of people are gay in a world like Horizon, then maybe you aren't emotionally mature enough to play these games

[@Rammstein0963.]

@Redcheck, Kai Stop straw manning please? The point was valid, nobody said there's a problem with that kind of thing, or that you can't play games, but that identity politics IS infact being inserted into everything, even when it affects the story in a negative way. It's like we aren't allowed to just have stories anymore...