Horizon Forbidden West: What Does A Zelda: BOTW Expert Think?

[@RinHara5aki]

Both Horizon and Breath of the Wild are amazing games and I thoroughly enjoyed both, but what do you guys like better?

[@pressxtojason]

I love both but Horizon for me was more enjoyable. While I agree with the general consensus that BOTW was a game changer in terms of open world freedom, the main game is basically "find hundreds of identical shrines and defeat these 4 very samey looking dungeons." What was new was refreshing and interesting but the core game felt pretty half baked. Contrasts that with Horizon which I'll admit didn't push the genre forward, but it was a solid game, the gameplay loop of hunting robot dinosaurs never wore on me, and the story/lore was far more interesting than "beat Ganon" for the bajillionth time.

[@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643]

@@pressxtojason identical shrines? they all had variety of puzzles and elements, yea in looks the same but thats because of the theme(story narration) they are meant to look the same but the interaction with them is totally different, but i can the same for horizon, all the dungeons were all mechanical in looks, there were hardly any engagement apart from turn some virtual levers and fight the same enemies. the physics(which is way more detailed) of zelda brings up some interesting puzzles and encounters. while the story of horizon was intriguing it was forced into the game essence of openworld, given restriction to the concept of open world. the problem is sacrificing the core gameplay theme for the sake of cinematics and the superficial..yea you can enjoy it but once it is done, it is dusted, unlike breath of wild..it follows the theme of open world..to explore even if you are done with the story(which is not forced on you). there is a reason why horizon goes out of relevance compared to breath of the wild. and there is the reason why games like elden ring, halo, and even horizon is copying breath of the wild.

[@pressxtojason]

@@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643 We just have to agree to disagree. There were over a 100 shrines in BOTW and by the 20th one I just lost all desire to explore the others because you know exactly what you're gonna get at the end. Plus I don't like to sink 100s of hours in a game so once I finish the story, I'm done. I liked that Horizon wasn't something that required a ton of time to complete and the time I spent in the game I found entertaining the entire time. Plus it was a good "girlfriend/wife" game meaning that my wife was able to sit next to me and enjoy the story too. She couldn't get into BOTW because 90% of that game's appeal is just dicking around with systems. I had fun doing it but she got bored very quick. But yeah, I like that other games are copying BOTW. It brought a lot of good ideas to the open world genre, a genre that was getting stale. I'm not saying BOTW is a bad game, just as some one that values an engaging story, BOTW just didn't do it for me.

[@Tinbeef22]

I played alot of botw too but because not much on the switch.

[@RinHara5aki]

@@pressxtojason Funny how the audience factor is the same for me as well, my gf does not care much about BOTW at all, but when I was running through Zero Dawn and Forbidden West she'd sit down and watch the whole time. I can also understand how BOTW is a longer term investment than Horizon, not everyone's cup of tea.

[@kommanderketamine8172]

I have not played Forbidden West yet, but have played BOTW. We can at least say that both games look stunning. Good job devs, you made a beautiful game.

[@Tinbeef22]

Botw on the PC looks stunning. Not the switch

[@jovannydiazabad6123]

I'm the opposite I've played Zero Dawn, and currently, I'm on the Forbidden West but have never played BOTW (even though I've been owning the game for years now before even Zero Dawn)😅

[@JD-ny3vz]

Do you sell K in my local area or nah?

[@3ernx3]

@@Tinbeef22 not on pc but ok

[@herohunter81]

Zelda makes me feel like a kid again. Every time.

[@TrvisXXIII]

Would love to watch a playthrough of this guy traversing through forbidden west. Seeing his advanced combat techniques looks like a fun watch

[@KuroiRenge]

Breath of the Wild is really great, but honestly, from a content perspective, it leaves a lot to be desired. The combat doesn't have that much variety, the world sometimes feels too barren, there's not much enemy variety, and most of the designs aren't that interesting. The story is also incredibly underwhelming, and there's not much variety in terms of different things you can actually do (There aren't that many side quests, honestly, and outside of shrines and Blight Ganon, there's no other real objectives.). To me, BotW is a really, really good starting point with so much more potential to fill. Forbidden West is graphically, mechanically, and story-wise, a much richer and full experience. The world feels incredible to navigate and there are a ton of harrowing enemies that litter the landscape. But I feel the comparison isn't really fair. It got to learn from Zero Dawn, whereas BotW is the first game of its like.

[@uberlanfarias8697]

Glad someone else thinks the same about botw. Honestly it feels like if you don't say it's the best game ever made (which it really isn't) then you can't say anything. I really enjoyed botw but I want to see some big improvements on the second one

[@dannyjorde2677]

Nah, BOTW rocks in every possible way. Period

[@bizmonkey007]

Yeah, ultimately comparing the games doesn’t make that much sense. They’re both open-world games, and HFW took a few cues from BOTW in terms of exploration, but that’s sort of where the comparison ends.

[@mike4455]

@@dannyjorde2677 😂

[@Sakabatou77]

I love this game and Breath of the Wild and to hear you praise Forbidden West pleases me. Thank you. :)

[@xi3382]

if i got a gold coin for each time people mentioning BOTW after every new Adventure-Action games release i'd be fcking rich by now

[@borismuller86]

To be fair, you don’t need many gold coins to be rich. They’re coins made of gold, after all.

[@TrvisXXIII]

They all take ideas from the game, it’s not that big of a shock

[@apeblackberry3641]

This happens when you make the best open world adventure game in the world. It's nothing new. Just as people always compare hard games to Dark Souls, just as people always compare shooters to CoD, just as people always compare Open World RPG games to Skyrim or just as people always compare open world games in modern settings to GTA. If you make something exceptionally good, people will measure the greatness on your level.

[@William-Sunderland]

Nintendo fanboys in constant fear of a game to be considered better than their only actually good game from this genre, ready to overrate it, ignore its flaws and exagerate its strenghts while doing the exact opposite for any other game that isnt from the same platform.

[@lnsflare1]

To be fair, the original Horizon: Zero Dawn was a direct competitor with BotW as it came out shortly before BotW's release date, had a vaguely similar (though drastically different in the actual execution and presentation) story, and went in the direction of hyper-polishing traditional open world gameplay while BotW went with a more experimental game design of it's own. That said, the only thing Forbidden West probably deliberately borrowed from BotW is the Glider Mechanic, and even then BotW was hardly the first game to have that mechanic, even in the Open World genre.

[@skins4thewin]

Gotta admit I have loved Breath of the Wild ever since it's launch & it has without question the most complex & carefully thought out mechanics of any open world game without question. That & the game just does all that while feeling so incredibly accessible & easy to get into. It's truly a masterwork there's no question about it. That being said I absolutely LOVE Horizon as well & actually like the combat in Horizon even more! It's more thrilling & threatening vs the rather meager feeling fights in BOTW.

[@TheHannibalmath]

Since you can compare these two games, and since BOTW was mainly programmed for the Wii U around 2014-5-6 (something that people keep forgetting--BOTW was not a game for the switch which is the main reason why it only runs at 900p in dock mode, to the already underpowered switch), it proves that BOTW is at a total different level.

[@lnsflare1]

I mean, you could also compare BotW with Gravity Rush/Ys 8: Lacrimosa of Dana, which was originally designed for the PlayStation Vita, Genshin Impact, which was originally designed for smartphones, or Xenoblade Chronicles, which was originally designed for the Wii and get meaningful comparisons going for the parts that don't rely on sheer processing power, which is what's being analyzed here. If they tried to put them toe to toe in things like number of polygons per model or sheer graphical fidelity, it wouldn't really be useful to anyone to point out that the Switch would probably burst into flames trying to match a PS4/PS5 game of this magnitude on those fronts.

[@Molybed1]

BOTW is THE BENCHMARK. Its 2022 and people are STILL talking about it.

[@mariocarlin9544]

More of a skid mark than a benchmark come on I had to make that joke you left me no choice

[@kolinsoots8343]

Great review even though you’re a breath of the wild super fan. The review did a great job of noticing the differences but not to try to say one is better than the other but to show why they’re different and that there is value to their differences.Very well said! 9.5/10 review

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

What I will say is that I like Breath of the Wild more for its open world mechanics. Its gameplay systems make for a more interesting gameplay experience just playing around and finding various interactions with its world to use to your advantage. Every weapon you pick up becomes useful, there are so many unexplained physics interactions that you can use generic tools on to shift encounters and world traversal to your advantage. As a sandbox of interaction, it has a better open world than Horizon, both games. But Horizon clearly has it beat for content and story in its open world (having Aloy as a protagonist over Link kind automatically makes this the case, even though botw’s story isn’t even bad, it’s actually really good, but Horizon’s is great), and while it doesn’t have these interactions I mentioned in botw, its moment to moment action still allows for epic proportions of diversity in how you choose to tackle the game’s challenges, but the world isn’t your oyster in the same way. Forbidden West especially captures the same kind of beauty as Breath of the Wild, but with realistic graphics. And unlike Breath of the Wild, you don’t have to switch the voice language to Japanese in order to preserve the experience (because holy god the english voice acting I cannot bear to save my life), whereas in Horizon even minor side quest characters are generally voiced far better than even main characters in BOTW, and when Frozen Wilds and Forbidden West rolled along, they fixed the game’s animation issues and brought them up to speed with everything else, bumping the presentation up to virtual perfection. What I will say is that Breath of the Wild is a better open world game because of how incredibly interwoven the open world is with all its systems. Is it a better game though? I would say not, but that’s my opinion.

[@torezgermy2]

Great comment 👍👌

[@laggalot1012]

Would definitely love the chance to play Forbidden West sometime. It looks great and frankly a vast improvement over the first game. Too bad I am not a PlayStation player, but maybe it'll come to PC at some point, like the first game. (And hopefully I have a PC that can run it properly then.) I have actually played the first game, foe the record. And if it's indeed as it looks, while some might scoff at it at first glance, I appreciate that this game doesn't seem to shy away from letting itself be inspired by BotW in some areas. Having games in a genre build off eachother can only serve to make these games better, after all.

[@the-rob-effect]

No spoilers but if you get forbidden west, pick it up on sale cause the story is basically a bridge to part 3. Pretty lame ino

[@shalimarlake7852]

@@the-rob-effect feels strange to judge a beautiful game with a good open world on a weak story.

[@the-rob-effect]

@@shalimarlake7852 maybe for you. If graphics and fetch quest are enough for you, that's great but hfw story is undeveloped because the devs tried to tackle too many plot points but as a result left the characters feeling bland. This is obviously my opinion, you can like the game if you want. I'm cool with it

[@burtwonk]

This was surprisingly sensible and fun to watch.

[@xikaryo6735]

Horizon came out before BOTW. BOTW has terrible combat compared to Horizon, and I say that as someone who enjoyed BOTW. I also generally just have a lot more fun with Horizon, due to all the different ways you could fight the enemy. It helps that Horizon’s graphics are also leagues ahead of BOTW, where BOTW looks like a blurry 720p game upscaled to fake 1080p. Nintendo really has to start putting more focus on their specs.

[@victors4786]

Horizon ZD combat against humans is horrible, but against machines is amazing.

[@xikaryo6735]

@@victors4786 The new Horizon’s combat against humans is incredible, but I agree that it was super basic in the first game.

[@alondite215]

How is BotW's combat "terrible" compared to Horizon's when it's deeper and more dynamic, and creates more emergent states and allows for greater player expression in their strategies and execution thereof?

[@telltellyn]

@@alondite215 If you think BOTW's combat is deeper or has more strategy you very very very clearly haven't played Horizon.

[@alondite215]

@@telltellyn If you think it isn't, then you don't know what depth is. But I'm willing to give you the chance to prove me wrong. What is depth? Define it and give me an example.

[@ramseyschroeder8531]

Lol anything that he thought BOTW did better he was like: BOTW clearly has the advantage And then anything where Horizon has a clear advantage: These are two very different games so there is no use comparing this aspect lol

[@kaiserxblue]

If you refer as for graphics he tried to mention that are different...Zelda is cell shaded and the other is realistic ...I don't think he was trying to defend Zelda. Of course it's quite obvious the graphics are way superior I horizon...I think that's kinda obvious.

[@losgargabonzi97]

Yeah... Talk about the fact that there are literally 3 enemy types in zelda botw

[@THATBOIYUNG]

Horizon forbidden west is my goty so far🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@awahpahpow7735]

I think the ocarina music will absolutely be appreciated!

[@MrTomandersson]

You know botw is good when it's still used as the benchmark 5 years after its release

[@progenlock7785]

Legends like Skyrim, Witcher 3, Red Dead 1 and 2, Zelda, and God of War will never die

[@alondite215]

@@progenlock7785 Zelda is the only one of those games that exemplifies superior game design. The rest are shallow, lacking dynamics, have inconsistent behaviors that betray their forms, and linearly-optimized gameplay.

[@progenlock7785]

@@alondite215 May statement still stands. I wasn’t comparing them, just saying that each and every one of them is still referenced back to even today because of their contributions to the video game industry. That is an undeniable fact

[@alondite215]

@@progenlock7785 I wouldn't say it's undeniable. I'd consider RDR2's contribution to gaming to be overall negative for gaming, for example, as it sold shallow, under-designed gameplay and truncated interactivity as excellence and received enormous praise and popularity for it.

[@progenlock7785]

@@alondite215 Red Dead 2 still had a major contribution. Even if it’s a negative contribution. You still admit it’s impact

[@bradleylansiquot298]

Did he mention shrines? Yeah they have their own mini dungeons now like botw which offers up some nice rewards. I'm over 40 hours in and I keep finding stuff that Carrie's me away from the main quest and the main quests are awesome it's just the side quest are awesome too. It's just crazy the amount of time and attention that goes into making this happen for optional content. Am so happy to have some zelda on my playstation

[@jovannydiazabad6123]

Cauldrons

[@uberlanfarias8697]

The first horizon already had what you call dungeons (cauldrons) and it was released on the same year as botw, so not really influenced by it

[@westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006]

So BotW 2 just got postponed and we know there are floating castle pieces and other sky-bound elements. Maybe team Zelda wanted to polish up their own flying mount after seeing HFW

[@Pablojunior2006]

highly doubt since botw2 was in development before horizon

[@Eoryu]

I cant' wait until we stop hearing about BoTW like it invented open world or that it was the absolute number 1, 10 out of 5 perfect game to ever exist in gaming.

[@vincentdagen1812]

Tell me you're a hater without tellinge you're a hater

[@darnellnoir]

it didnt create it but it (close to) mastered exploration in a open world so well that genshin copied most of its game off of it

[@kaiserxblue]

Keep waiting cause we still got botw2... sucker ..

[@zakzerak7191]

it is still the most open world ever created. horizon just follows the simple open world fomular but botw invented open world exploration in a way never done before. as long as their is no game that goes over that free exploration botw will always be the point to return to.

[@aldifrpf1188]

but it does create a new standard for open world games

[@The-Vitruvian-Man]

BOTW has Zelda nostalgia and better exploration. Horizon has better combat, story, voice acting, sound design, visuals, and more enemy variety.

[@kevanthompson2288]

You forgot breath of the wilds vastly superior physics.

[@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643]

cant call visuals when it is in more powerful system, but zelda has better physics that work well with the gameplay to create random events that makes it more entertaining, exploration is the essences of an open world game, i cant understand why a open world game is resticted all for the sake of a "compelling story". combat isnt better if the best strategy is just dive roll every second. yes voice acting creates immersion but zelda still manage to immerse without it.honestly, breath of the wild is above horizon, but not to say horizon is a bad game.

[@AmirhoseinHerandy]

Disagree on combat

[@kylezeebug]

As a person who could just not get into botw story wise whatsoever I agree heavily

[@dbdn1825]

You forgot that Zelda has the sales, Review scores, and gaming notoriety that Horizon will never have

[@fargonthebrave]

As someone who has played both there very different games with different story's puzzles and graphics so I really don't get the point of this all games borrow or copy ideas from other

[@Ironcorgi2]

I think breath of the wild has a more smooth rhtymn when it comes to combat and while there are more options in forbidden west it does not mesh well with a lot of the play styles. Like I never used traps or the mounted combat in forbidden west but that might not be my style. Both games are amazing though I just like them for different reasons.

[@Fluxquark]

You should do a video comparing BotW and Elden Ring. I'm playing it now and get similar exploration vibes from it (but am getting a little fatigued after 50 hours, which doesn't happen with BotW)

[@carbodude5414]

People need to understand that comparisons to BOTW are often done positively Rarely anyone says that games like this and Elden Ring are rip offs of BOTW. Rather, they're happy that open world games now are moving away from the Ubisoft formula and taking from BOTW as the new standard

[@mooster4080]

Exactly! It’s so good to see games learn for BOTW while also finding their own identity.

[@ramseyschroeder8531]

Gamespot: Let’s have someone who is clearly bias compare these two games

[@nano_728]

thats the point of the vid

[@alvinanis3006]

That's... the whole point? It would be the same if a Horizon expert played BOTW for the 1st time. What's your problem?

[@LunaWithaTopHat]

botw is the new “like dark souls” now

[@xikaryo6735]

Except nowhere near as good. Elden Ring is going to win GOTY this year, not BOTW2.

[@raider_reaper_4194]

The “Souls” genre is pretty noticeable

[@N0no420]

@@xikaryo6735 opinion not fact

[@blackcobra1981]

*Demon's Souls (Dark Souls is the copycat)

[@xikaryo6735]

@@flyforever20 Bruh you have an anime avatar posting comments on KZbin. You shouldn’t shouldn’t be calling anyone a nerd. You probably have anime posters in your room too. 🤡 Touch grass dude.

[@sunnysideyt3425]

One game looks real.. one game feels real

[@anmolagrawal5358]

Still find BOTW's graphics better, not in a technical sense, but rather they are much easily comprehensible and don't look *messy*, which I sometimes find irritating during combat in realistic graphics.

[@joserodolfoalves]

I haven't played anything since super nintendo..... everything makes me sick, but BOTW I didn't have the courage to finish the game so good.... I started playing Forbbiden West, after an hour of play I'm already sick.

[@fearlesscheshirecat1411]

Both games are amazing in their own way. Why does everyone constantly have to feel like you have to pick one or the other….? That spreads more hate and arguments in gaming than anything else.

[@anmolagrawal5358]

3:17 Disagree on the cooler looking concept. That sound of cloth fluttering while flying gives a very distinct feeling of satisfaction in the sky.

[@hiphopmaster9241]

Horizon is better than BOTW imo. Horizon even came out first before Breath of the Wild.

[@narnianman]

Like what a few months before?

[@borismuller86]

It was a few days before (28th Feb and March 3rd 2017)

[@vincentdagen1812]

HoRiZoN cAmE oUT fiRsT

[@alvinanis3006]

Somehow that makes it better?

[@hiphopmaster9241]

🤣🤣🤣 People in their feelings

[@mangolie21]

I haven't played Horizon. In the fights, does it use the environment to the extent BotW does? That's a big part of BotW's fighting system for me

[@hebercluff1665]

Not really. The closest you come to using the environment is being able to strategically set up traps. Of course, that's a blast in it's own way.

[@epRivera]

@@hebercluff1665 Don't forget about the grapple points. Those can really save in a battle

[@telltellyn]

Everything not being climbable isn't a flaw, the devs are limiting the world intentionally to make players need to think about how to get from A to B, similar to Death Stranding. For me it's the combat where it's night and day between Horizon and BOTW, I think Horizon has the best combat and enemy design of any open world game, while it's a weaker element of BOTW.

[@iKickBullies]

I've thought being able to just nonstop climb everything completely ruins discoverability in Zelda. Mountains become inconveniences as opposed to good area design in Zelda while I appreciate it alot more when they have more realistic limits in Horizon. 2 different approaches but when you can ignore game design it's an actual inherited flaw, but for some reason it's always (be like zelda please) like that wasn't basically ripped out of shadow of the colossus lol

[@daftcruz]

@@iKickBullies but Aonuma confirmed that he was inspired by Fumito Ueda games.

[@anemite2]

@@iKickBullies instead of ruin practically motivated, BOTw is the example of a perfect open world, anywhere you see you can reach, that some level of liberty that no other game can give it to you

[@xSedashi]

These aren't very comparable. BoTW and Genshin impact are comparable. The developers of Horizon clearly had no intention of making this game like BoTW. It's a cinematic story driven game like God of War. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

[@alondite215]

But they both have mechanics, interplay, level and enemy elements, etc, and can be compared on those grounds.

[@RinHara5aki]

I can see that, I'd say even like Ghost of Tsushima could be along the same lines too, but there seems to be a pattern every any open world game being compared to BOTW, I saw at least a couple things that were worth noting.

[@Tinbeef22]

@@alondite215 genshin impact is alot better than botw.

[@alondite215]

@@Tinbeef22 In what way?

[@MrEditorsSideKick]

@@alondite215 he's a troll

[@mrspidrexe9625]

You can compare Genshin with BoTW but not FW cause 2 game completely different game, just think about it, FW is very, VERY heavily focus on combat and story, much more mature than BoTW While, imo, BoTW is more focus on being a lighthearted fun open world Both are still a masterpiece tho

[@CaptainPilipinas]

oh I agree. horizon verse and world Lore and all.

[@cvxgaming6855]

Genshin is far too different from BoTW outside of the world exploration

[@Lu.-]

botw I don't see him happy in almost anything, the whole world is ruins and all the npc talk about all the lives that were lost in the war

[@lnsflare1]

​@@cvxgaming6855 Thank you. If anything, Genshin is way closer to Horizon than it is to BotW, it's just that MiHoYo/Hoyoverse deliberately played up the superficial similarities between GI and BotW for free publicity.

[@lemurdinner]

A bit biased, but since GameSpot is putting out a BotW video like every week, it's not surprising. Tbh it's a bit tiring at this point that Nintendo fanboys are trying to validate that everything is inspired by their favorite game.

[@kaiserxblue]

Biased ..elaborate please...Im actually interested In your answer

[@ChrisFilmPresents]

Just played a bit of West Forbidden so cannot fully judge that game. Played other game like Spiderman Miles Morales, and I found out the games of PS5 offering you a very detailed, realistic world, but still there's a main story direction that you have to follow. The freedom of doing anything you want wasn't there. And I think that is the reason why BOTW is to me the best game so far. The immersion level is unparalleled and you don't have to follow the story direction, you can jump into the final boss fight if you want.

[@allothernameswherealreadytaken]

Just the fact that a newly released game is still compared to a five year old and previous console generation game says how good that game actually is.

[@40krocks21]

Still never beat breath of the wild. One of the few games I have started and wasn’t gripped enough to finish. Got like 20 hours in and was just bored. Horizon’s world is phenomenal. Not only graphically/visually, but there’s so many different biomes and enemy types. It always felt fun to explore and discover, plus the combat for me is leagues above botw. I know I’m an outlier, but BOTW didn’t do it for me. Hopefully I’ll come around to finish it before BOTW2 comes out. (Hoping that one has some major improvements)

[@johntorres3223]

we all know BOTW's impact in the industry

[@A83793]

Why didn't you compare Story ? 🤔

[@rinzlur-k6m]

Forbidden West doesn’t have stamina limits for climbing. That alone makes it better than Breath of the Wild.

[@CandarianGaming]

That's a double edge sword though as you can't climb everything in Horizon

[@uzairgangat]

Also the stamina thing adds challenge, if something it too tall to climb, you can find some way to get a boost up first before you climb, this can be done with the games environment and systems like fire granting updraft, adding even more depth to the game

[@CaptainPilipinas]

@@uzairgangat imvanjance Gameplay-wise, yes. not like I'm complaining about it. some 'immersive' feel have to be denied after all unless I'm watching a video about that Lore/story being shown.

[@afronautexplorer144]

Horizon > Farts from the Wild.

[@alvinanis3006]

False but go off

[@afronautexplorer144]

@@alvinanis3006 mmm k

[@Pablojunior2006]

Nah

[@afronautexplorer144]

@@Pablojunior2006 mmm k 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@aldifrpf1188]

playstation fanboys still salty that horizon zero awards lose to BoTW in goty just wait until BoTW 2 comes out, it will beat horizon for the 2nd time

[@TheKraige]

Imagine is BotW2 (with the islands in the sky) brought back the loftwing 😍

[@kamranki]

It looks like so many ideas have been taken directly from BOTW that it is not even funny lol

[@OSTemli]

Breath of the wild makes me want to explore like dark soul game, give me a sense of adventure feeling. But Horizon zero dawn makes me want to finish the game quickly and feels like a chore after 6hours

[@lnsflare1]

Honestly, I had the exact opposite reaction. I like BotW well enough, but it feels like a Zelda-themed Jungle Gym that threw away a lot of the stuff that I loved about the franchise in exchange for some physics manipulation shenanigans that have never really engrossed me, while I'm finding myself having to wrestle away from HFW in order to get some sleep for work the next morning because I find the worldbuilding, story, characters, quests, combat, UI, and rewards much more engrossing than I did BotW's.

[@ThisChannelIsAbandoned300]

WHY does that look like Vah Naboris from Botw? 3:24

[@promiseomiponle810]

It’s a tall neck. They were in zero dawn

[@bobbagington3836]

This comment section is dumb

[@alexsmith6482]

*I* think either game would be great on PC

[@opiumized]

You can play BOTW pretty easily on PC at this point through emulation

[@Tinbeef22]

Botw runs and looks better on pc

[@borismuller86]

You can play HZD on PC already, so there’s that.

[@alexsmith6482]

@@borismuller86 duh

[@pippaloves]

Add Fenix to this movie. Would love to hear.

[@lilrizq]

Didn't Zero Dawn come out before BOTW?

[@HaroldTheWizardCat]

Tbh I think it’d be better to do a BOTW vs Elden Ring comparison as they both rework how to do an open world game. The combat also seems more similar imo

[@CandarianGaming]

Horizon and botw have a lot more in common though. Puzzles, climbing, stealth, paragliding, etc.

[@Pitman856]

@@CandarianGaming They have very little in common compared

[@CandarianGaming]

@@Pitman856 You are correct outside what I mentioned

[@Excalibur01]

Horizon needs to have the ability to climb anywhere like in BOTW.

[@progenlock7785]

Why? It feels really weird to do that

[@Excalibur01]

@@progenlock7785 To only be able to climb on certain things in Horizon is annoying. Several times you can't climb over a wall when you can do the in Zelda.

[@progenlock7785]

@@Excalibur01 in Zelda it doesn’t feel out of place because of the animation style. You can’t climb any part of any cliff in real life, just like you can’t in horizon

[@DEVILTAZ35]

@@Excalibur01 It is mostly the material it's made from . If it's slippery you slip. That makes sense lol

[@Excalibur01]

@@DEVILTAZ35 But not slippery all the time

[@jinsakai7008]

Zelda botw is a great game, but it hasn't invented anything new, it takes everything from the shadow of the colossus, that's where it gets its inspiration

[@Mirage475]

Yeah the physics engine, chemistry engine, shrines and combat were all clearly pioneered by shadow of the colossus first. What are you even smoking

[@alondite215]

Shadow of the Colossus didn't have anywhere near the depth or dynamic interplay that BotW does.

[@Tinbeef22]

Agree with you 100

[@iKickBullies]

@@Mirage475 The sadness I feel knowing you think this was a smart response. The climbing mechanic that people love to talk about was ripped from Shadow. The rest is basically skyrim szelda edition

[@Mirage475]

@@iKickBullies Then answer me this. Could you climb every surface in shadow of the colossus? Was there a paraglider in skyrim? It's funny how you can't provide any actual good examples.

[@latinoheat612]

Come on bro, they are both great, botw is a masterpiece of game,its been out for decades(franchise wise) , its timeless and its a gold standard of open world rpgs, horizon is just getting started and with enough work put on it will too be a masterpiece

[@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643]

no one said they arent both great but it is obvious botw is superior in the main theme of open world, the exploration, world building, randomness and better physics, having better graphics doesnt make you any better.

[@latinoheat612]

@@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643 having better graphics doesnt make you any better, valheim its a true statement i totally agree dog

[@daftcruz]

@@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643 Zelda has better physics though, and you use it to pretty much everything in the game.

[@lordrikudouzero9119]

Waaaaaahhhhh!?!?!? I thought the spoil wouldn’t be that cool XD

[@MalibuJack88]

I was gonna say...Horizon is like Zelda. 👍

[@PlayRoomOfGames]

For the love of god stop comparing BoTW to everything

[@random_gamer_guy82]

As a 40 year old gamer who's played thousands of games ......BOTW is absolutely a masterpiece and my personal favourite game of all time from any system. However horizon is definitely not to be sniffed at ,it's an amazing game and forbidden west is better in many many ways but the super long overly complex cutscenes for me personally holds it back . I know it's a deep story but the whole choose one of three new paths sections cutscene and the choose an explanation is waaaaaaaasay to long and overly complex . Yes I understand it all However that section had me wanting to hit the cross button to skip after 15 mins plus of ,choosing this explanation, choose that explanation of the kernel section.

[@suryia6706]

I can't see myself ever playing BOTW after the stunning graphics of HFW. BOTW feels very 1990's but i respect thw view of others

[@magnesg1459]

You like to watch movies

[@joserodolfoalves]

You should try it.... Zelda is infinitely more fun, a game you never want to finish, it's extremely relaxing with an intelligence of resources that is unparalleled.

[@jordanfish]

underground caves and swimming though

[@Nemo15]

I played the first horizon and I didn’t really enjoy that much so I’m wondering if breath of the wild would be the same

[@trevoranderson1604]

Grr my own fault for thinking the spoiler wouldn't be too big.

[@carrotsmemes2155]

W video 💪🔥

[@dudewheresmycat]

Just finished botw. Good game, but massively overrated. Combat is well designed but pointless. Exploration has potential but shallow if you only encounter camps of foes that give you useless weapons or koroks. Shrines are a chore. Boss design feels like was given to the interns. Story, which you have to do chores to find, is otherwise very pleasant. Game is a solid 8.5/10. Edit: also, it's more of a puzzle genre than an action/adventure.

[@ManiLink]

You're wrong

[@dudewheresmycat]

@@ManiLink you are wrong

[@kaiserxblue]

You clearly haven't really played it. .all those things you just said are BS.

[@dudewheresmycat]

@mkjj I meant it literally. Most reviews gave it a perfect score but I wouldn't rate it that high. I understand the idea behind the game dynamics. But without a leveling system these aren't as effective. What's the point of having such a vast world when there is no character progression? Everything changes except the one dude you are stuck playing with? Nope. The thought of a game plus never crossed my mind.

[@ThisChannelIsAbandoned300]

Both are amazing :)

[@RaspberryBang]

0:43 "...for me, _pershonally_ ..."

[@alvinanis3006]

BOTW all day everyday

[@noxinabox3506]

Horizon are great games, they just have a rather unfortunate tendency to release right before insane hype machines (BOTW and Elden Ring).

[@nintendogamer5286]

Cool video

[@MannesChiarini]

Nintendo fans doesn't play anything besides BOTW.

[@triton5336]

Wow that Flying Machine is awesome Horizon Forbidden West is PHENOMENAL.

[@toot180]

Forbidden west took concepts from botw, that should say enough

[@amoungus7301]

Nintendo and playstation ❤️💙

[@cordisdie5578]

I think the reason not all thing claimable in hfw is flying

[@noahspeedz2295]

When is the next "Things you didn't know about BotW" coming out? They are such a treat to watch.

[@Olibelus]

Zelda needs the stash system from Horizon and also the ability to set traps would be so neat!

[@deadspacefellow]

horizion takes place in utah

[@Negameleon]

For all it's beauty Forbidden West has ancient gameplay. Lack of dynamic elemental combat can be forgiven in Zero Dawn, but 5 years later and the sequel can barely be considered an upgrade. I know people like it, and it's great that they do! But it feels wrong to praise s gane so much that does exceedingly little. About 7 years ago the Mad Max game came out, it was the height of open world fatigue, it was alright, but the industry was begging for change, for something that felt different. New combat mechanics weren't gonna cut it, the world needed to feel like a part of the experience, and two years later BotW comes out. Was it perfect? No, but it far outdid the competition in making you feel like the world was a real playground, and the world was part of the experience. Chopping trees gave you wood, stuff caught on fire, metals were conductive and so on, who knew that by merely following the laws of physics the game would be so dramatically above the competition? Zero Dawn despite its efforts still felt incredibly outdated and outdone by a game with simpler visuals. Yeah, I know it would be difficult for Guerrilla Games tondo what BotW did and keep the visual fidelity, but they have to start somewhere, even if the game looked half as good as it does now and offered a richer gameplay experience in exchange it would still be an amazing looking game. But alas, were still praising games that are middle of the road like Forbidden West, Assassin's Creed Valhalla and such others that offer stiff and old experiences that are more interested in showcasing hardware power and window dressing than fun, new gameplay.

[@40krocks21]

Ya I can see your point. Gameplay is definitely the most important, but the other aspects of a game hold different amount of weight to different people. Story, characters, music,lore etc all vary from game to game. So for some that can be pulled in by pure gameplay, I think more and more people see games as a new medium of entertainment where you combine some solid gameplay aspects of games, the visual aspects of a cutting edge CGi action movie, and the drama and character development of a good show all wrapped into one. Obviously just like movies there are so many different genres and goals for the audience. I think botw basically said hey here’s a sandbox with insane mechanical details and way to interact with the environment, and horizon is more like hey you have a lot of freedom in this, but also we have more focus on characters and story/native. So I think more and more as the medium has shifted, gameplay is obviously peak, but the other aspects of game are increasingly more important. I think while botw has immense amount of freedom, it’s story, characters, character development, and music are lacking. At least for my taste. It’s a good game but hasn’t gripped me in the way that many other games have. Albeit games that didn’t have amount of world physics that botw has but excelled in different aspects. But hey it’s great to live in a time where there is sooo much variety for pretty much what anyone is looking for in a game. It’ll be cool to see what botw2 will bring to the table, and what the future of gaming will look like down the road as things progress!

[@magnesg1459]

@@40krocks21 Just watch movies then

[@40krocks21]

@@magnesg1459 haha I do watch movies, but I prefer games. It’s great to have types of games for pretty much every type of gamer nowadays. Blockbuster, indies,puzzle,strategy, adventure, open world, horror, the list goes on. Some more gameplay heavy, some more story and character driven, and everything in between. It sounds like BOTW did it for you, so that’s great! It’s a good time to be a gamer!

[@raider_reaper_4194]

Im sure BotW took a lot of elements off of HZD before release, as will BotW2 will take a lot from HFW. Zelda has the explorer kid feel with Nintendo and Horizon has the badass adult feel with Sony. Both masterpieces of Video Games.

[@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643]

lol what? botw took elements from HZD? where were you when they announced breath of the zelda around 2012? no one cares if it badass or adult feel if it doesnt have even the details close to what botw has and no i am not talking about the superficial graphics, the physics of botw is vastily superior to horizon. HFW took elements from breath of the wild, improved climbing mechanics, gliding etc and no, breath of the wild 2 will not take any elements from horizon:FW because there is nothing innovative about it.

[@XBadre]

@@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643 you are really going to every comment praising horizon and saying that botw is better and superior.

[@Tinbeef22]

Exactly they took elements for horizon.

[@sleepyhylian2694]

botw and hzd were released in the same month

[@dawensci7134]

@@Tinbeef22 how is he praising Horizon lol

[@OnePieceGuy55]

I havent played BOTW yet but are there open world elements to it?

[@littletroble_07]

Yea

[@naveedbutt3827]

Yes. it's an open world game and that's kinda the reason why he's comparing both of them

[@CandarianGaming]

BOTW is the absolute definition of open world

[@vincentdagen1812]

Troll

[@Optidorf]

Despite all those amazing graphics Horizon Forbidden West looks a bit... dull.

[@bootao1671]

not everything is about botw

[@idiaz502]

Lets be real here. The are both great games, they both top tier games, but when it comes to which did better and also has better mechanics, its BOTW. It sold more, it won GOTY for a good reason, and BOTW literally set the bar for open world games (look at Elden ring, its getting compared to BOTW not Horizon because it set the bar). Horizon however, does have better looking enemies (at least I think so) and it has a more in depth story.

[@colosine]

Forbidden west has absolutely not improved clibming, I never missed or fell from climbing in the zero dawn but in west I missed a lot of jumps

[@epRivera]

Sounds like a skill issue if you're failing jumps lol

[@colosine]

@@epRivera my brother and roomate had the same issues with the climbing, in the open world it's fine but when doing the sections like tower climbing or ruins there are parts where Aloy would reach her hand out, a clear sign for the player to jump, then she would just miss, on a second or third time it would finally work, it was an annoying disconnect from what is meant to be consistent

[@epRivera]

@@colosine Sounds like a glitch then if she misses (unless you mean the climbing part fell). Never had an issue where she randomly fell even though she was supposed to make it

[@colosine]

@@epRivera i thought it might be a ps4 glitch but my brother encountered it as well on his ps5, best I can figure they over corrected the criticism of how easy it was on the first game

[@Abner_Aharoni]

Its as much of a BotW rip-off as Elden Ring. Of course the only way the competition stands a chance against Nintendo is to copy them 😂😂

[@triton5336]

You do know alot of games borrow stuff from each other especially those in the same genre call them a rip off is inaccurate as they focus on different things

[@fobedaman9161]

Just like BOTW took the Ubisoft tower, breakable weapons, challenge dungeons, dark souls-esque combat, etc. Every game copies things it's about what they do with those things to make it there own. A lot of what Nintendo puts out copy from other games. Diminishing horizon and Elden Ring, the second of which seems to do a lot of what BOTW did better because it is vaguely similar is dumb my guy.

[@abnormalnox]

You do know that horizon zero dawn launched a few days before BOTW right?

[@promiseomiponle810]

@@fobedaman9161 while I generally agree wit you, the dark souls combat is literally taken from older Zelda games lol. Plus it’s way more dynamic in botw

[@maxgrieve]

FFS are we still doing this? The only reason Horizon seems to get continually benchmarked against BOTW is because Zero Dawn shared a release window with it back in 2017. It's now 2022 guys. Why don't we ask what, I dunno, a RDR2 or Assassin's Creed expert thinks of Horizon Forbidden West? There are other open world games that might make equally valid and interesting comparisons.

[@Hahah-n3s]

botw

[@TheCosmicHorror]

Horizon did it better

[@magnesg1459]

Just watch movies while holding the controller if you like HFW so much. Same experience.

[@gerudoqueenriju]

200 hours. Expert. LOL.

[@Christopher-md7tf]

FW is just Horizon 1.5, really. They added a lot of stuff like more machines, weapon types, skill trees, onto the same gameplay foundation, which still feels really restrictive compared to BotW.

[@cvxgaming6855]

Uhhh isn't that how you make a sequel??? Lol.

[@amorpheus-_-3563]

"Zelda: BOTW expert" - sounds like an ultra nerd who spent 10k hours since release

[@johndang8971]

Then elden ring gets released and stomps on both these titles

[@khaliddawood3327]

This video actually contradicts with your reviews of both games i see in this video you admitted that horizon fb west is much better in many aspects but you gave zelda 10/10 and horizon 8/10 which is weird 🙄🤔

[@TheAlibabatree]

Not every quality holds the same weight. If a game has cutting edge graphics, but the gameplay is not fun, then its not going to get a great score.

[@jaywood7279]

Forbidden West is beautiful and I had fun with it, however FW is still lagging with traversal and the increased hand holding when it comes to quests and storytelling. The video points out the still stagnant Ubisoft style waypoints and overkill of icons. Style over substance once again.

[@telltellyn]

There's an absolute tonne more substance in Horizon's combat than most games, let alone most open world games.

[@jaywood7279]

@@telltellyn I don’t disagree, if you include all open world games sure, but I don’t think it’s as inventive or uses the world/area as much as Zelda. Different powered ammo’s, and landing weak points and setting traps is enjoyable though!

[@alexsandereastmond7036]

first lets go