Hornby R065 Class 9F "Evening Star": Repair Request

[@alfiejohnchester8108]

Thanks for another good video Bill. You can't show us these repairs too often because they're always different and you nearly always show us something new. So please keep them coming. Thanks again.

[@stephenparrott3377]

Yes we have seen it all before. BUT it is interesting. That's why we watch. Keep going Bill.

[@mickd6942]

Bought a nice example off the bay site , ran it back and forth on a short bit of track to test it , very good runner and then the screw holding the valve gear rod dropped off lol , quickly found but a right pain in the but to put it back together , it’s great seeing a video of someone working on the same loco , helped me a lot , I got lucky as the connection between loco and tender seems to be working great electrically with no problems , I wince when I see you taking ringfield wheels off with one screw driver as if I do that I bend the axle , two screw drivers for me one at each side of wheel , and I bow my head in reverence at how you pressed on the driving wheel without bending the valve gear on the other side .

[@PaulinesPastimes]

I know I've seen you do this before but each one is a different locomotive and I get the chance to see something run that I will probably never own. I don't know why but it is quite compelling to watch. 😊👍

[@andrewjditton]

You, Sir, are a BL**DY GENIUS! Yes, I guess I might have been able to do the Ringfield motor servicing (I've done a Lima Class 73 while watching your video on similar) but there is no way I could have done the rest of it. I was grinning like a Cheshire Cat when I saw it running so beautifully at the end, then when I saw the APT I was on Cloud 9. All of a sudden I was 12 years old again. Thank you so much.

[@darrenridgway4332]

Another superb video! Really enjoy watching them go from splutter to thunder, and everything in-between 👍

[@oobill]

"Splutter to thunder". I like that. And will use more often in conversation....

[@mickboakes7023]

Doesn’t matter how many times I see you cleaning the works it’s always interesting and the achievement of getting going properly again is infectious. Keep doing what you’re doing I really enjoy watching. Stay well. Mick🇬🇧

[@guyclark2975]

Another great repair. I have one of the early R861 Triang-Hornby models from 1972. Back then the Locomotive and Tender were permanently connected and had the Fleishmann motor in the Tender.

[@petersmith4455]

hi great video, i remember seeing the real evening star at Dicot during the 80s and was able to sit the dog on the front buffer beam, great memories

[@donniblanco5239]

Wow 🤩 I bet the owner was chuffed to see those to going round your track Bill, they looked Stunning. Nice post as always 👍🏻

[@mrspockmm8741]

I feel a good deal more confident about servicing the one I have now! Thanks. Your patience is really appreciated.

[@robertmarsh3588]

Nice loco! This is identical to my old model, bought in 1979, and later exchanged for a Wrenn class 20 plus some cash! Not really one of my best exchanges though I was happy with it at the time as I wanted the 20 and didn't have the money to buy it outright. If memory serves me correctly, the original version of Evening Star with shiny finish was dropped from the catalogue for a year or so then came back in 1978 (?) with this slightly matt finish.

[@marcdempsey5850]

Excellent again. Funny when testing at the end and the APT travelled past, two eras worlds apart but look great together. Enjoy completing the service, always better watching them, when doing them oneself it’s. …. Camera off time. 😎

[@ghostengineer]

So as you can see from my previous comment, I have this exact locomotive from the 1980 evening star set. I just started building a 5x16 layout and just decided to run this. It wouldn't run. I decided to throughly clean the motor etc. It started out out but noticed it would stall on points and crossings and couldn't understand it. I did a KZbin search and it brought me to one of my favorite channel. I totally forgot about this one. I ran the wire like you did and now the problem is solved.

[@timsmith8189]

I prefer watching you mending an engine to Line of Duty. I might even attempt one myself. Brilliant fix with the wire. I await your next installment 😁

[@petertate5741]

Well done mate great video as always.

[@brianmicky7596]

Hi Bill, Nice repair, not bad train but to big for my track, All the Best Brian

[@rhiwderinraytube]

It never ceases to amaze me 1) how many people get their locos so dirty and full of fluff, and 2) How people are so afraid to take a motor apart and clean it.

[@robofbarnes]

Agree with your date, the green bodywork shows that slightly soapy sheen that came from the thick gloss varnish Hornby sprayed on every loco around that time.

[@M1PAC]

I used to be a paperboy, who delivered the "Evening Star" newspaper, I was one of hundreds that got to see the Actual steam Locomotive IRL , thanks to the owners of the newspaper .

[@johngibson4641]

Hi Bill ,, yet another good repair there. Ive noticed with the few that ive fixed that the contact points and continuity is paramount and thee most important thing tomconsidermwhen fixing locos.. The few i have fixed and have got running again duemtomeather dry joints ie solder not contacting any more and quick solder and comes back to life again. Ive found that using the good old manky brush to get rid of most of the dust and some 3 in 1 sewing machine oil dabbed on the coal tender and in different spots on the loco and rub it in with the oily manky brush (a separate oily manky brush haha) and then a light rub with a lint free cloth and they come up like brand new. Its amazing to me how good they revive to almost like brand spankin new. Ive done this with older and some of the newer locos and rolling stock and cleans them up a treat. Ive also found that this oiling does not affect the paint on the older or the newer items i have. Anyhoo keep the good work and gr8 video there Bill. Cheers from John in Australia

[@ghostengineer]

Great video. I just recently scored the Evening Star freight set with the same locomotive. I can't wait til it shows up. The 9f is probably my favorite British steamer

[@astolatpere11]

Very satisfying. Thanks

[@robinforrest7680]

I had the same problem with my Hornby 9F's. The fact that it picks up from one side only on both locomotive and tender is the root of the problem. You'd think they could have found better pick up arrangements given all the wheels available. Then I reasoned that if the wheels are insulated from each other that means the motion must be too. So on the insulated wheel side I soldered a fine wire to the back of the fixed piece of motion above the second driving axle and routed it through to the tender drive unit. As a result all the wheels on the insulated side pick up too. The down side is that the tender is permanently coupled but it solved all my pick up problems and hesitations over dead frog points. Later when I at last had a layout with easy curves I decided I wanted a more close coupled tender which meant getting rid of the Hornby drawbar and its connection to the tender. So I added a wire to the live chassis side in the same way. In the end I ended up doing this to all my tender drive Hornby Hornby locos from the 70's : the 9F's, black five and tender drive Britannia. As long as you don't need to separate loco from tender (but then why would you?) it has been the ideal solution when combined with a good preparatory clean and service. All the best to you mate. I'm really enjoying your videos!!

[@PeterJewell2]

You could try adding a micro connector to allow you to separate them. The radio control enthusiasts make good use of them.

[@royston600]

Good job bill

[@speleokeir]

Like you I was never too sure about the Evening Star because of that big gap between the chassis and body. It just looks 'wrong' somehow to me. For that reason it was never at the top of my wishlist as a kid. If I was going for a big steam loco in BR green I'd have gone for a rebuilt Merchant Navy or the Britannia. Still it's a bit different and quirky which adds a bit of interest to a layout.

[@smithge4uk]

I was waiting for the surprise of when you opened the tender to only to find the first iteration of the Ringfield motor which was a direct copy of the German Fleischmann motor and looks very different...its what mine is. Hornby needed a tender drive for the new Evening Star and Britiannia models as couldn't have a locomotive fitted X04 due to the huge daylight between boiler and wheels - so something else had to be found, it was also used in the 2-tone green class 47, all of which were termed 'Silver Seal' as mentioned in the comments further below. It was rumored that Hornby went to a model shop in Margate and brought a Fleischmann model and copied what was inside. So *either* this is a later R065 with the cheaper Ringfield or its is actually a mix with a later Britannia tender...

[@johnmassey7687]

don't know what has happened to you. Hope you are well and just taking a break from the You Tube pressure .I along with all your commentators have really enjoyed your videos . Take care Bill

[@peternorris6438]

Always some good tips

[@marksinthehouse1968]

Superb

[@peternorris6438]

Would you suggest weights in the locomotive mine with the tender drive tends to wheel spin

[@ashlybrown5341]

Always something different that pops up with taking um apart . my flying scotsman plays up over that same connection

[@stephensimmonds184]

I think the original ones had a direct wire connection from pickup to tender. The detachable tender came along a bit later, maybe early 80's.

[@robertdoor9372]

I just bought a mint boxed Evening Star like this with hard wired non detachable six traction tyred tender - so what year is mine?

[@colinmair5886]

​@@robertdoor93721975 or earlier. A bit of a late reply but I'm currently restoring an R065 Evening Star from 1977.

[@markjarvis7637]

Instead of a wire between the chassis and connector, would a piece of thin brass strip between the two screws fit, shaped almost like a coupling rod ???

[@oobill]

The problem is poor connection between the contact on the drawbar and the screw. Joining the two screws would do nothing. Hence the wire joining the contact to the body mounting screw.

[@gerardburton3741]

Hi Bill. I believe this was the last engine made and released by Triang before they became Triang-Hornby. I was the first Ringfield engine released. It is a later version as I believe it originally had the same tender connection as the early black 5. Where it was permanently connected to the engine..

[@Ratty_Rex]

Could you put a copper washer on the drawbar screw that overlaps with the metal one? Or aren't they close enough to overlap? Great video..... always like seeing a 9f.....

[@oobill]

Problem is it isn't the screw on the draw bar that needs to contact the chassis it already is. It's the copper contact on the drawbar. And that has to be able to move independently along with the drawbar so it can't be fixed to anything other than the drawbar. Hence the little wire connecting it to the body mounting screw.

[@samwoodward8491]

what is the grease you use and where can i get some. great vidio again regards sam woodward

[@oobill]

I use Hob-e-lube Moly grease. White grease or lithium grease will be fine . Any grease really so long as it's plastic friendly.

[@tezza72uk19]

Thanks for your helpful serving tips. What is the lubricant you use on the axle bearings and where is it available?

[@oobill]

Peco PowerLube. Which is basically Electro Lube which is intended for use on switches. I use it cos I have it but to be honest any light oil will work just as well.

[@mikep4821]

Another nice job Bill. I’ve noticed that you don’t tend to fit the smaller end of the brushes into the springs, as designed, before putting both back into the ring field motor. Doesn’t that run the risk of them not fitting nicely together when you clamp the springs back into place?

[@oobill]

When fitting the springs the end goes over the smaller end of the brush in the process. I've found that trying to fit the brush into the spring before hand usually results in the brush falling out again or damaging the spring. With the brush in place the spring can only fit over the end of the brush so it works out fine.

[@mikep4821]

@@oobill I thought the idea was that, when disassembling, they’d both fall out together - you could even pull out the brush by carefully removing the spring with it still attached - but in the models recently repaired all the brushes come out separately.

[@oobill]

@@mikep4821 Not all brushes are the same. In most cases the narrow end of the brush is just slightly tapered so the springs rest over the end. Some brushes have longer narrow ends that fit right into the springs. Some have no narrower end at all.

[@mikep4821]

@@oobill Ah right, I've only ever seen the longer spring-fitting bushes. I take nothing away from all that you do Bill, you have the patience of a Saint.

[@dalkhaw]

Just got into servicing my old locos after storing them for >30yrs. Your videos are really nice. Thank you as you have taught me a lot. I have just serviced my 70's Hornby Evening Star. Should I lightly oil the wheel axles & brass bearings? Will it affect the power pick-up due to the thin film of oil? Thank you.

[@oobill]

Yes you should. A little oil won't affect electrical pickup on the axles so long as you don't over do it. Oil or grease the bearings well.

[@themodelshed7066]

9f?

[@paulfisher7295]

Hi Bill, one of my recent auction room buys was an R303 Evening Star supposedly built 80-82. It has brass brush holders and the loco and tender are separate entities, I'm now confused (it's as dead as a dodo btw) cheers Paul

[@lewiscartwright3609]

Today I decided to rummage through my box oo gauge bits and pieces such Beer barrels and oil drums and I removed my new Bachmann GW UCV China Clay wagon with hood tarpaulin like cover and when I got the wagon and unboxed it I noticed that the cover is actually real fabric and some piece of plastic or resin and Today I wanted put some oil drums and beer barrels into the wagon and I found that some of the Barrels still have some flashing from when the previous owner removed them from their sprews (I hope that's how you spell the word )

[@tommcgrath2496]

Sprue.

[@lewiscartwright3609]

@@tommcgrath2496 oh that's was it sprue thank you for correcting me 👍. cheers. Lewis : )

[@Mike-kc8rl]

I believe you have an 80s version there as the early ones had the full metal motor with brass brush caps a design they stole from Fleishman nice job all the same.

[@johnedwards4274]

Good olds hill service and repair The new stuff is a nightmare

[@johnedwards4274]

Old school

[@oobill]

@@johnedwards4274 I agree. The newer the loco is in my experience the worse it is to work on. They may run better but I never see me buying any. With maybe one or two exceptions where there is no older version.

[@timgray3491]

HI Bill enjoying your videos, i notice you use different oil for the gears, what type do you use for these. I assume it is a bit thicker. Thanks Tim

[@oobill]

Hob-E-Lube gear oil. They say it sticks to the gears. I don't think it does it's just thicker oil!

[@timgray3491]

@@oobill hi Bill another question any ideas where i can get a worm gear puller from, I can get them off but they are unable to be reused. Thanks T

[@mikeking2539]

Are you keeping the APT? lol

[@oobill]

I wish. No just have it on loan for a bit.

[@russellbenton2987]

Not one of the earliest ones ( they date from 71) I’d say probably 1976/77 as the tender was permanently joined until then . I have black one from 74 . Lovely runner . The cylinders definitely look dodgy. The angle looks wrong. They are supposed to be inclined but something looks out of true

[@dduck1585]

Appears to be a matt finish, late 70s, c1980s were spray painted. My late 70s model was a poor runner.

[@stephensimmonds184]

And they had 6 traction tyres, no electrical return through the tender, and soldered wires, not connectors. Definitely an 80's model.

[@trevorknott4382]

I love Watching your videos I have two Hornby southern region specifics that will not run can I get you to get in touch with me to get your address to send them to you please

[@oobill]

I won't be able to look at any new locos for some time as I have a long waiting list I'm afraid. Try contacting me in a few months time!

[@robinhood5493]

About time that disgucting toothbrush was consigned to the bin, or at least give it a wash in warm soapy water.

[@artstates960]

Then it wouldn't be a manky brush.