HORSEPOWER FROM AN OIL PAN? CHEAP AND STOCK SBF PANS VS MILODON OIL PAN UPGRADES. RESULTS-347 & 427

[@kellyheath8547]

In before the squirrels

[@tommylyeah]

😂

[@christianmeeks4430]

Impressive.

[@brianlafollette7530]

Definitely worth the money

[@olivierroy1301]

Hi, I have a suggestion for a subject. I often see dyno pulls that start at 3000rpm and that emphasize max performance. I would find interesting a video about low-mid rpm performance and how to obtain a better efficiency at that range.

[@save16thave]

Milodon rocks. I have one of their louvered windage trays on my 351w.

[@grandmasmalibu]

Would have been cool to also test them with a quart of oil removed. But I love seeing vids about the benefits of good oil control. Also helps keep the oil pressure more consistent through the RPM range and under different "harsh" operating conditions like you might encounter at the track or strip (better engine longevity).

[@richardholdener1727]

we optimized oil level

[@benkrom2737]

Windage tray, scrapers and baffling. Less oil is redundant 🧐

[@Jonathanw704]

I threw a windage tray in a slightly hammered stock pan on a stock bottom end turbo car and i credit it for clearing the 500+ mark to the tires on relatively low boost and iron heads

[@BrentFrancis-h8o]

Very eye opening. Now I know what pan to buy for my R302 block that is being built next year. Thank you again for the valuable information.

[@ianshaw8273]

Thankyou knew there were gains with a tray and baffling but didn't know it was that much. Thanks again for this test

[@techs1smh13]

Engine masters.

[@BARBARRIER]

In my experience. The Milodon full box marine pan, no kickout. on my 489 bbc was terrible. Look at jet boat forums. It’s all over. I was losing pressure over 4500 rpm. Tried all the tricks to make it work, never did. Put on a Dan Olson pan. Works great. No more pressure drop. Both were 7.5 deep with trays. The Olson pan does have a kickout on the right side, full length of pan.

[@richardholdener1727]

We use the Moroso unit on BBCs

[@BARBARRIER]

@@richardholdener1727 I’ve seen people use moroso and canton with no issues also. Just seems to be an issue with the Milodon full box pan if you try to run rpm’s. Major oil pressure drop at 4500 and above. It’s weird.

[@dannytravis7118]

What I found interesting is that both engines picked up almost identical gains. The oil pan was worth about 10 hp and ft lbs of torque on both engines. It didn't matter if it was mild or wild they both had similar gains. They say the devils in the details, I think this is a good example of this. I read about engine masters and they talked about free hp from oil control. With an engine that has roller lifters solid or hydraulic rollers didn't matter. They tapped the oil drain over the cam in the lifter valley and plugged the holes with plugs with smaller holes in it to reduce the amount of oil getting to the cam and also ground out the casting flash in the main drain back holes. That being said have you ever tested that to see how much power that's worth

[@magnusdanielsson2749]

I wonder if its not the case that the cranks pick up roughly the same amount of oil as windage. Therefore the energy needed to sling it is the same. Seems like physics would support such an idea? A test with a couple of different sbc with different hp would be interesting to see if the same hp is freed up regardless. In any case it does seem worth the effort to install windage tray and/or scrapers. Especially if one can do the mods oneself. A milodon tray might be a bit expensive to justify on a street build..

[@jakal104]

@@magnusdanielsson2749 I agree... likely gain 10Hp (+/-) on any V8 running similar weight oils. In addition to the pan mods, polishing the crank weights and rod surfaces would help reduce retained oil. Hmmm... teflon coat?

[@chrispompano]

I read some have an Isotropic finish to the crank & other parts like ring & pinion. It smooths the metal & looks like chrome but makes it Hydrophobic finish I think....... Eagle rotating components has a treatment called "ESP Armor that is similar or the same treatment.

[@alanfrye2706]

I'm shocked it was that much. I figured it would pick up a couple, but never found have guessed it would be that substantial. Wonder how much one would be worth on something like an ls or newer motor.

[@USALT1]

You should dyno an LS-NEXT short skirt block with a kickout oil pan vs a long skirt LS block with the same heads, intake & cam.

[@russelljackson7034]

Right on

[@SpecialAgentJamesAki]

Awww yeas been waiting for this one! 🤙🤙

[@chrispompano]

I read some guys do Isotropic finish to the crank & other parts like ring & pinion. It smooths the metal & looks like chrome but makes it a Hydrophopbic finish I think.......Eagle has a treatment called ESP Armor that is similar or maybe the same type of treatment. Your thoughts??????🤔

[@302hobronco]

Richard, have you done a video comparing timing chains vs gear drives? Thank you for all your info you are sharing.

[@richardholdener1727]

mostly noise-I would be surprised if it showed a change in power

[@maxtraction5388]

Would H beams rods be picking up oil and throwing it around, also the balance holes on the crank? every HP counts!

[@patrickwendling6759]

Thank you for your knowledge and videos USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸

[@dannyhocutt8490]

Thank you for your content it's great stuff !!!

[@exploranator]

I think windage trays should have far more louvers. Due to the very-much-engineered-to-be-so film strength of oil, it clings to and wraps around rotating pieces. Water would just largely fling off immediately. Oil wants to wind around the crank instead.

[@davidgallimore8163]

You should do the same test on stroked BBCs because they're notorious for windage issues

[@richardholdener1727]

I have

[@jeroldlafferty54]

You can understand the challenges high rpm drag car have.Oil climbing the back pan under acceleration and the opposite braking.

[@jeroldlafferty54]

Stock oil pump vs high volume pump. Could be trouble stock pan and high volume pump pickup getting uncovered.

[@danmallery9142]

Wow, that is a relatively cheap way to pick up an extra 10 HP.

[@jplperformance9073]

AWSOME video

[@itsMYtc]

Would the gains be the same on a mild 302 build? Roughly 350-375hp

[@richardholdener1727]

WILL BE LESS ON THE 302

[@Sweak22v1]

Hello

[@808redneckify]

How about if you knife edge the crank? Does that produce more power?

[@richardholdener1727]

it can

[@scottmoody7413]

What did the oil pressure do? Did it pick up pressure on the top end due to less aeration?

[@michaelspiering7585]

According to the Engine Masters guys 20w50 makes more power than lighter oil because of ring seal. The Rat 540 blog says that 5w30 protects the best. So, what is more important?

[@richardholdener1727]

I disagree with the results of the EM test

[@jaxjax5322]

Richard make a video about oils do they make more horsepower if its thinner?

[@richardholdener1727]

please see the oil test video

[@manitoublack]

Free power

[@michaelspiering7585]

I'm wondering how a dry sump might change things.

[@jakal104]

The extra pump(s) may decrease power output... on a dyno. Windage is windage and oil clings to everything (by design)... so dry or wet sump, the hp benefit is getting the oil off the rotating assembly. If the oil is pulled out of the wet sump, a dry sump (or a deeper pan) would help.

[@Phantom-mk4kp]

Is there a certain amount of oil washing required to cool and lubricate the bores, or do we get enough from con rod bearings

[@richardholdener1727]

there is always oil mist present

[@that1guy997]

Have you done any testing to see if dry sump systems produce any power gains over wet sump pans?

[@richardholdener1727]

they do

[@erickbernard8208]

Hey hey hey

[@1magnit]

Seems like a very unscientific test to me? How about the variation in oil grade?, the difference in temperature? and the volume of oil carried?

[@richardholdener1727]

no change in oil grade, temp or amount

[@ronniejohnson317]

Richard, awesome work . Does oil viscosity change horsepower with a aftermarket pan? Many of the new cars have oil at 5 weight or less. Can we run those oils in a 302 Ford or a 350 Chevy?

[@richardholdener1727]

YES VISCOUSITY CHANGES POWER

[@jakal104]

Tighten the oil clearances and thinner oil could be run.

[@benkrom2737]

Don Garlits and Dick Moroso 1st came up with oil scrapers and baffled oil pans back in the 60s.

[@rolandtamaccio3285]

Smokey, probably a good 10 years before either .

[@benkrom2737]

@@rolandtamaccio3285 Yeah Smokey and Don were cut from the sam cloth. They both shaped the racing industry. Don in drag racing and Smokey in circle and road racing back in the early 60s. Modifications were kept secret and no patents were done because design specifications would have to be registered for everyone to see, so everything was on the down-low 🧐 I myself prefer road racing oil pans for they correct for G-forces 360⁰ where drag pans is just Fore and Aft G-Forces.

[@benkrom2737]

@@rolandtamaccio3285 dyno only tells half the story. When you apply G-forces is when these oil pans really start showing a benefit.

[@olivierroy1301]

Will you test or have you tested having a vacuum pump plugged in the engine pan?

[@richardholdener1727]

they can work-depends on ring pack

[@tommylyeah]

@@richardholdener1727 Like how well the rings are sealing prior to vacuum?

[@richardholdener1727]

people use low tension rungs to add power, then help sealing with vacuum pump

[@roberthandy9420]

Rich have you did this test with LS and is corvette oil pan different from truck pan ??

[@richardholdener1727]

Factory LS (truck or Vettte) has a windage tray and pan baffles already

[@charlesgrubham2736]

Surprised Richard did not mention gains from a turbo would be way more significant 😂 Boost makes everything better!

[@wallywire]

Really enjoy the channel. I would be interested in this comparison on High performance big block Chevy. Maybe talk about billet oil pumps and the integrated oil pick ups.

[@richardholdener1727]

billet pumps add more flow and/or pressure, windage trays and deep sump pans work on BBC even more

[@robertfenwick9126]

Love the small block Ford stuff. keep it up big thanks again for sharing 😊😊

[@wallywire]

@@richardholdener1727 thanks for the info. I’m trying to find the moroso oil pan you tested the world 565 with AFR 357 heads. I believe it was #21047. Do you know how much oil you ran during the Dyno seasons with Q16? Did it stay the same when using nitrous and tunnel ram??

[@mr.chos_garage]

Diamond stripper !!

[@brandonhendrix2395]

Tilt the engine back 45 degrees and dyno it

[@buysncharge]

Its also funny to go get an oil change. You have to sign a waiver for them putting 8 liters of oil in instead of 5. But do change your own oil. Dont be crazy.

[@richardholdener1727]

liters?

[@buysncharge]

@richardholdener1727 I'm from a bastard colony. The old pan was 5.0 liters of oil to fill. The milodon was just over 8 liters of oil to fill. We don't use the gallons or quarts system. A Gallon is 3.87 liters or so.

[@michaelrogers8860]

Any one know can you brake in a flat tap cam in with a windage tray

[@richardholdener1727]

the break in of a cam has nothing to do with a windage tray

[@michaelrogers8860]

@@richardholdener1727 thank you