HORUS RISING | Warhammer 40k Book Review & Discussion

[@Adeptusridiculous]

they dont know

[@petriew2018]

.... is this ever not a true statement?

[@Skitarii_Ranger]

Make them keep reading until Loken dies

[@JasoTheRed48F2]

@@Skitarii_Ranger Bro they'd fucking die.

[@Sharksvsnids]

If they honor this agreement, it'll be so funny.....​@Skitarii_Ranger

[@Seldonlair]

"I was there the day Horus slew the Emperor." ...Dude wasn't entirely wrong. It just took 20 years for the Chekov's Brick to land.

[@EXM0RT1S]

>brick doesn't know when Loken dies >brick doesn't know what Samus is all about

[@Lindwurm_Nx]

I really love the moment Loken dies and it´s consequences

[@Red19487]

It dawned on me that Samus's quote as being the end and the death and a whole few volumes being named the end and the death was interesting

[@SilimSavertin]

Samus is a lame-ass daemon character, that's probably why. Loken was awesome and tragic, tho

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

​@Red19487 That made me really consider what end, and which death those book titles are referring to. Yeah, the emperor's death is the obvious death, but there is one specific death associated with Samus that is very important for the whole Heresy having taken place

[@user-jl2ev9el8c]

@@SilimSavertin *Major spoiler for end and the death* Samus is the daemon of Loken. Samus's lines about being "the one beside you" and all that stuff refers to how after Horus's death, Loken was the only one who stayed beside Horus's corpse to be the one person to mourn the Horus he remembered. Samus is a daemon born from Loken's story, his relationship with Horus, the Mournival and every tragedy he powered through to try and get the world he remembered back. I agree that Samus as a character is kinda limited, but as a daemon he's a an incredibly cool idea and really kind of tragic in a way imo

[@NovaCoronaSolarisBlast]

my brother once made the mistake of putting horus rising on to fall to sleep to whilst we were camping out in a legal wild camping area (basically you turn up and pitch up a tent for free, but you have to move on in the morning), because he woke up in the dead of night to complete silence, only to hear out of nowhere "Samus...Samus...is the only one you hear..." safe to say it jolted him right awake

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

He got the true Samus experience

[@ColdGamingLp]

@@NovaCoronaSolarisBlast I bet that was a mistake he didn't make again 😂

[@collecter343]

Me considering whether that would be a good alarm to wake me up to.

[@Rawnblade13]

@@NovaCoronaSolarisBlast Toby Longworth is so good.

[@JasoTheRed48F2]

>Read till Loken dies Tragic irony is when the audience is aware in advance that tragedy will occur. It is a form of dramatic irony, in which the audience is given more information than the character.

[@AltoStratusX1]

Which time though? Doesn't he die 2 or 3 times lol

[@stevenroyer9380]

@@AltoStratusX1dies once but has some fake outs, actually dies in the last scene in end and the death part 3 the last book in the Horus heresy 63 books away from the book they are on now

[@cptsteele91]

​​​@@stevenroyer9380and even then it's kinda up in the air, sorta like yeah for now he's dead but if they ever wanna use him again, they could probably BS it in some way. Much as I like Garviel I hope they don't, that boy is too pure for 40k.

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

@cptsteele91 Nah, Erebus made it pretty clear that his death is critical for the Heresy to have gone how it did ...F Erebus

[@Beandealer]

Was real insane when Horus Rising rose up and said: "I am no longer Horus Rising. I have now become Horus Heresy. Death to The Master of Mankind: War in the webway."

[@Darkwings01]

-2

[@jojo_sanders5342]

+1

[@AlexAinsworth-s1c]

Classic lore.

[@MercurialStatic]

This joke format feels older than the Horus Heresy.

[@shohanrus2076]

Emotional scene. Best bit in the series is when shows up above Terra and goes: "I was once Horus Heresy, but now I have become the Siege of Terra!"

[@donkeymanusa6364]

" should we just keep reading until loken's untimely demise?" Oh no

[@aJamBiscuit]

Might have to skip a few books there lmao

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

Ok see you in 7 years lmao

[@JasoTheRed48F2]

Nobody... tell them.

[@Kingedwardiii2003]

I started 2024 with Horus rising I am now on the end and the death part 2, waiting for them to match my freak.

[@collecter343]

@@Kingedwardiii2003 Book or audiobook? Read anything else in between? In any case, damn dude. I remember starting my journey in 2017 and I haven't started the Siege yet. Granted I supplemented it with so many other stories.

[@thewerdna]

Did Bricky forget the Gray Knights episode where he specifically mentioned that Garviel Loken was picked to be one of the first Gray Knight but went "nah, i'm good" and decided to fight in the Siege of Terra instead?

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

Probably yea. They forget alot of things.

[@adamstephens5964]

Well we know DK did lmao, we can always count on that 😉

[@RebelTvShka]

G Loken? Oh, you mean Sam! :)

[@CommissarMitch]

​@YOGI-kb9tg To be fair the Lore is really dense and a lot to remember.

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

@@CommissarMitch yea you can't blame them for not remembering even us terminally logged in on Warhammer forget things from time to time.

[@erikr2162]

“I wanted more with the Interex” So did Horus

[@McGillus]

fucking Erebus

[@Werrf1]

Yes, guys. You should _definitely_ do Horus Heresy books up until Loken's death. That's a great idea.

[@lordook5413]

I love the way he deals with Sammus in the end. That is my absolute favorite avenging thing in all the universes imaginable.

[@jkostelo]

"I was there when Horus slew the emperor." "I am feeling the weight of the ship."

[@shade419]

Sooth your choler, brother. I have no use for it.

[@oldben5363]

Saul Tarvitz is the Argel Tal of the Emperors Children, core of the Legions identity and good values it was aspiring to.

[@Tucker0603]

He really is, man was the CORE of the good principals of the Emperor's Children.

[@АлександрСимон-п6и]

It's ironic that Argel Tal was called a bro several times here, but he is still a traitor unlike Tarvitz. Well, it's hard to blame him, Word Bearers are very devoted to their father. This universe is all about daddy issues. But Argel Tal is like pretty awared war criminal. He does horrible things all the time and find excuses. And I mean really horrible things, and he knows about it.

[@JosephHead]

The opening quote, I was there when Horus slew the Emperor, goes way further than most think of you have not made it to the end of the Heresy

[@steweygrrr]

That quote originally wasn't supposed to be tongue in cheek because when they started writing the Heresy series they _severely_ underestimated how much demand there would be for it so only planned to do a few books. That's why it goes from Ullanor to... other stuff that happens in the span of three books.

[@thewerdna]

Part of the reason 40k Marines have less personality is canonically they have way more psychoindocrination than in 30k, specifically to try to make them more loyal and thus avoid another heresy. Which makes sense in universe, but man does it male them way less interesting

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

Yea. This is literally part of the lore. The risen from the lion book as well as chaos in general are written with personality. Basically you don't read loyal marine books for personality.

[@Howler452]

This is why I like the Space Wolves, because even with all of that they still have more personality

[@SilimSavertin]

@@Howler452 The wolves probably do a whole lot less psycho-indoctrinating because they just don't give a fuck about the codex, but not in a douchy black templar way.

[@AltoStratusX1]

I think the Chapter identity also has alot to do with it. The Legions were much larger with various kind if sub cultures within them (depending on the legion) and you could get Terran born marines mixing with other recruitment world marines which leads to a lot more diversity of characters interacting within a legion. One of my favorite books is the Brotherhood of The Storm where you have 2 white scars Khan struggling to work together because one is from Chigoris and the other is a Terran born whose just come back from service with the SoH and the interaction is a good way to explore both their characters through contrast rather then just "here is a story about white scars being stereotypical white scars"

[@Rawnblade13]

Part of it is also authors. Some authors, like Dan Abnett, give Space Marines alot of personality regardless of the time period, while others make them very bland.

[@ryanh2606]

“We should keep going until Loken’s untimely demise” *Monkey’s paw curls*

[@TheCruefan94]

Huzzah, now we know what the next book club book will be... And the next one and the next one and the next one.

[@AAhmou]

We'll be here for a long long time.

[@ryanh2606]

@@AAhmou honestly if they really put their heads down and did like a book a month, only following the books involving Loken they could knock out the major points of the Heresy and finish the siege of Terra in a year or 2.

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

You keep doing Horus Heresy books but you also have monkey hands

[@silvermarksman6834]

"I think Loken seeing Horus turn traitor would kill him." WELL ABOUT THAT...

[@Clearlyclaosad]

🤫

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

Spoilers man. I’ve been through the whole damn thing and it is not to be missed.

[@hoopchristine5202]

The Horus Heresy series is not perfect, but it is magnificent. Garro, Thiel, Tarvitz, Holguin, Aximand, Sevatar, Meduson, Dantioch, Polux, Yesugei, Xa'Ven, Varren, Arvida, Bludbroder, Loken, Corvo, Narek, Ebb, Ventanus, and far, far more. These names mean nothing to you now. They will

[@zfrankhauser4292]

Yesugei is the most underrated character. FOR THE KAGHAN, UKKHAI!

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Dantioch

[@patricksharpe1148]

Seveatar surfing on a starfighter. Best moment ever.

[@hoopchristine5202]

@@HistoritorJimaldusHow the fuck could I forget Dantioch?! Thank you

[@hoopchristine5202]

@@zfrankhauser4292KHAGAN!

[@zfrankhauser4292]

Waiting 3+ years for them to read this book is like watching someone get a five-course meal and eating the first dish last.

[@kuroshine]

Idk, it isn't a bad book to start with, but it's not an entry for most. You appreciate Horus Rising, and the dis9nance between the 30K world and 40k the deeper into 40K you get

[@FriezaSucks]

​@@kuroshineI'm still here on the belief that true indoctrination into 40k starts with DoW1 simply for the fact that we all wanna see little dudes in cool armor kill each other and horrifying creatures with crazy weapons.

[@WetCanoot]

@@kuroshineI started with the Horus Heresy and then jumped back to the rest of 40k

[@lilbost4]

I know the feeling, they keep teasing helsreach but picking something else😢

[@hoopchristine5202]

To be fair, this is the order I read the Heresy in, and it will piss you off: The Ancient Awaits, Flight of the Eisenstein (4), Garro (42), Galaxy In Flames (3), Horus Rising (1), False Gods (2), Vengeful Spirit (29), Grey Angel, Unremembered Empire (28), Know No Fear (19), Fulgrim (5), Scars (28), Wolf Mother, Damnation of Pythos (30), Wolfsbane (49), Wolf King, Fear To Tread (21), Pharos (34), and I’m currently reading Path of Heaven (36)

[@w021wjs]

We should get them to read Apocalypse. It's got: -Cool dreadnaughts -Primaris and firstborn conflict -White scars having fun -Word Bearers being mustache twirlingly evil - Imperial Fists, White Scars and Raven Guard all showing off how cool they are. -Sisters of battle singing for battle

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Is that a single book or a few??

[@w021wjs]

@@HistoritorJimaldus just one. It's probably my favorite 40k book. It's just fun.

[@themortarman4722]

The Anchorite too!

[@fernandodamas8533]

I did love the description of trying to take a picture of a demon, like the demon isn't quite in the material world and the camera keeps struggling to focus SOMETHING trying to phase into reality. Abnett is a very visual writer (for better and worse) and this is one those cases where that shines through

[@captainsatire9628]

I vote we hold them to reading until Loken's demise.

[@thewerdna]

As a fun exercise in seeing the difference betweek 30k and 40k marines, you guys definitely need to read Know No Fear. It really shows off how F'in awesome 30k Ultramarines are and how they are absolute gigachads compared to their 40k selves

[@elipticarc8992]

10k years of bureaucracy, paperwork, and intractable situations all wound together tighter than braided rebar will do that to an augmented super human warrior caste.

[@Tucker0603]

Oh yeah, they definitely need to read Know No Fear, it's in my top ten for Horus Heresy books.

[@Firgon72]

As a Word Bearer enjoyer, I am still incredibly salty about Calth

[@thewerdna]

@@Firgon72 salty that they actively squandered an overwhelming advantage and failed the get a decisive victory?

[@MattManDX1]

@@thewerdna The "failure" of the Word Bearers was intentionally part of Lorgar's plan. He wanted Guilliman and his forces to be wounded but able to limp their way back to Macragge and divert a lot of resources to reinforce themselves when those resources would have been better spent reinforcing Dorn's main Terran defenses.

[@ls-501templar8]

“Maybe it’s better that Loken doesn’t get to see Horus turn traitor” My honest reaction after End and the Death:😶

[@sebastianholtsvendsen2597]

Fuck it's fun they really have no clue about Garviel. It's the meme of the guy completely missing the point with how much they missed the "I was there the day Horus slew the emperor"

[@Sebastian-mh8jx]

but they do know about him, go watch the grey knights episode starting at 18:50 for about 5min

[@r31n0ut]

It's really smart how Dan made Sindermann this almost stereotypical obi-wan/dumbledor/gandalf type older wise mentor figure and then have him go 'yes, we must mass-murder them for their own good!'. And I agree with Bricky, it's so weird how this book basically opens with 'Even at it's best point, the Imperium super sucked' and there's some fans who STILL refuse to get the point.

[@michaelconnell1010]

Not sure, how one misses that. Heck, for a reminder in case you missed it, Fulgrim (the book) hits you over the head with it repeatedly.

[@69Deez_Nutz69]

The Imperium was never the "good guy" and neither was the Emperor. Though Gulliman and Vulkan (and recently The Lion) might redeem humanity for the better.

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

Spoiler It’s fitting then that he goes on to be the founding member of the inquisition. Like Malcador was his patron and gave it the green light, but it was the brainchild of Sindermann

[@Nicolatteaur]

Gavriel is fine. Last time I heard about him he was taking a time for himself, tending flowers and stuff.

[@VaftrudnerKGA]

Yeah I heard he went to a farm upstate....

[@Arashmickey]

Gardener Yokel

[@douglaspeters3344]

They’re gonna keep going until Garviel dies Who’s gonna tell them?

[@taskforcecretin1847]

I was thinking this exact same thing. Remember boys and girls, LOKEN LIVES *STOMP STOMP*!!

[@traviscumbest3946]

no one lol let it be a surprise

[@84jesterx]

Somewhere in Rochester, Abnett is snickering.

[@kyoki213]

"We gonna go through these until loken dies" oh uhm... wow... well... I guess we will be here for a while...

[@tedculbertson6320]

A scene that I liked a lot was Loken talking to Sindermann about the word heresy and its implications. Of course the series is called the Horus Heresy and heresy is one of 40k's favorite words, so a bit of exploration of it felt very appropriate.

[@track869]

The part from this book that hut me the hardest was the interaction between horus and loken after the first encounter with Samus. Horus is so caring and so understanding in that scene. He shows how much he is willing to trust his sons. It made the next 2 books so much better and so much worse at the same time.

[@cptsteele91]

Yeah, kinda hate em for making me like those guys so much before we have tailspin into the inevitable

[@miguipingui]

I love the part when Gabriel says, "So what are we? Some type of Horus Rising?"

[@De_Chappo]

meanwhile, the blood angels and emperor's children with the megarachnids: "eerm, it's right behind me isn't it"

[@azamatfleming5427]

I nominate that these two read the entirety of The End and The Death, all three parts, as the next book after this one. The whiplash would be insane

[@jakepelletier2955]

Can’t wait to hear about my boy torgaddon

[@grandadmiral8173]

Torgaddon chewing out Eidalon was my favorite part of the book. Also shout out to my boi Saul tarvitz

[@TeeBeeOhh]

Bricky forgot to add "brother" as a fuller word twice in every sentence for the dialogue in certain video game

[@mini_acrylics]

My friends and I were joking about taking a drink everytime an Ultramarine said "Brother" instead of the person's name.

[@SlothyTheDemon]

The first 3 Horus heresy books feel like I can almost visualize everything and that's good writing

[@complexhero5064]

30k Astartes are like a team way ahead at halftime. They've likely fought alongside their primarchs and some have even fought on the same battlefield as Emps. 40k Astartes are like a team finishing a game they have no chance at winning. Even their coaches (primarchs) have left early.

[@ChadmasterDante]

So in defense of this book seeming kind of fast(and the "Galaxy in Flames is poorly written" thing), GW did NOT expect the Heresy series to explode into such a popular and loved series when they were planning it. They expected about a dozen books from start to Big E getting put on the Throne. The first 5 or 6 books came out within like a year and a half, they were being written at the same time, so the first few really fast track things, then they slow down after. That's the biggest problem with False Gods, the turn is VERY fast. Luckily the short stories and Primarch/character novels go back and fill in the info prior to Horus Rising, but those first few move quick

[@khorneight]

Samus is a Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided. He's the embodiment of murder (not the FIRST murder though, just the concept of murder in general)

[@captainsatire9628]

A specific murder.

[@khorneight]

@@captainsatire9628 🤫

[@UnhingedNW]

@@captainsatire9628messed me up bad

[@IronFatherJohn]

I legitimately want them to do A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns. Not only are they two of the best books in the series, but one of them specifically plays Thousand Sons

[@ahoyturtle]

You know, about that copy of the Lectitio Divintatus: Horus was named Warmaster around 60 years after Monarchia. That means at that point Lorgar and the Word Bearers haven't been spreading the book for the better part of a century. That means the source for Keeler getting the book would be either from the few worlds the Word Bearers took before Monarchia (and everyone made a fuss about how few those worlds were), or from the cults that rose up in Ultramar after they smuggled copies of the book there that they stole from Khur. Which... seems a bit unfair to pin on Lorgar, all things considered.

[@gama343]

Say it with me, everyone! Fuck Erebus!

[@Azurios]

So Horus Herey Books until Loken dies? Cool. I see no problem with that! Spoiler: I kind of expect we'll get a "F*ck Erebus" shirt when they're through with this.

[@alphazergling9255]

I MADE IT TO A BOOK DISCUSSION

[@eternal6930]

"Whats the deal with Samus?" Oh you sweet innocent summer children... 😂

[@atimelycat1258]

40k space marines are just like that in lore. The best way its ever been explained by an author came from ADB. Legion era warriors are People+ and the thinblooded space marines that come after are People-, Primaris included. A legion warrior went through refined(Insanely brutal) processes and at the end is a fuller, if albeit, scarred individual with a full spectrum of emotions that they could feel and were made far stronger by their ascension, which is part of their volatility. But the Adeptus Astartes are children taken and scraped and chipped and hewn away at until they are nothing but cold hearted weapons, the end inevitable point of the nihilistic cause. They don't fight out of individual belief or drive, they fight because that is what they have been wholly molded to do in their monastery's of dogma and fatalistic hate. Its a criticism even levelled at some legions during the GC. The Dark Angels specifically are the subject of a treatise saying that they have taken their boys and created men with the cold souls of weapons.

[@redpandapizza8514]

That book was my intro into the lore of 40k when I was 11.

[@Jiffedup]

Euphrati Keeler is an imagist (photographer) that gets attacked by the space marine processed by Samus and protected by Loken. While he does spend a lot of time around her afterwards and in the next book she is not Loken's "Personal Rememberancer" as its joked... But she is the one who is worshipping the empower later to deal with the trauma of facing a Deamon. Mersadie Oliton is the documentarist who is the one nick named Loken Personal Rememberancer as she spends a lot of time listening to his recounting of events. She also has impants to take images/memories and save them for later to then write them down exactly as happened or extract for a movie style documentary. Both of them have bigger parts to play in the long form of the entire Horus Heresy Series that have huge impacts and they are friends who happen to be together a lot. One of them actually has a huge Universe changing set of events to be a part of. SO MAYBE WNAT TO REMEMBER WHOSE WHO AS YOU'LL HEAR THEM ALOT IF YOU ARE JUMPING INTO THE HORUS HERESY BOOKS AND 30K.

[@gokbay3057]

Oh yeah I remember Mersadie now that you mention her, for some reason she didn't stick in my mind like Euphrati did.

[@DirtyMardi]

Keeler is definitely one of the main characters of the heresy. More important than most primarchs.

[@ShadowGhost0117]

@@DirtyMardiI love when she basically scolds Dorn to stop him from murdering Garro

[@stoneraptor4541]

Something with the 3 act structure I love is that by the time you get to the Siege of Terra its the Act 1 low point, Act 2 lower point and concludes with the Act 3 lowest point. I don’t know why but I find it really fun to read

[@BadCuppaTea]

admech flattening a content, is so surreal in a cool way. it seem like such a small thing to do for this gigantic empire

[@oldben5363]

This was the book that got me into 40k and for some reason made me like CSM in the long term more and more. They're messed up but they feel more like legionaries from The Great Crusade, where as the the new astartes feel real.... vanilla. Also, Saul Tarvitz speaks to all the EC enjoyers

[@Soterious2010]

I'm currently reading Darkness in the Blood. A Blood Angels novel that takes place post Devastation of Baal. If you want more human like space Marines post heresy then I recommend this book. I'm only half way through and I'm loving it so far.

[@genatools9750]

just a heads up before Briky and dk and anyone else who wants to start reading the hours heresy nonstopp. the main books are Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, and Flight of the Eisenstein. Anything after that is optional for folks who wants to know more about a legion. Spoilers ahead about Lokan: his fate is entirely unknown so it should not be recommended to read the series to wait for his death happens

[@karlrichards7188]

Betrayer,ruinstorm and Slaves of darkness and titan death kinda fill in more of the plot towards the siege

[@DirtyMardi]

The First Heretic is a must read and probably one of the top 3 books before the siege. It sort of explains why the heresy happened. It’s also the best paced book in the series imho. A Thousand Sons, Slaves to Darkness and the Vengeful Spirit also move the plotline forward, but sadly aren’t the best of books in the series. Not the worst either though. There’s some real stinkers.

[@DarksideGmss0513]

As of the end and the death I think he's pretty much dead.

[@joncarter3761]

If there's one phrase that sums up both the Horus Heresy and Siege of Terra series it's 'fk Erebus'. It only gets truer as the series goes on and ofc his last action in the end and death was a gut punch... My boy deserved better than that!

[@84jesterx]

Wow, only 40ish mins for THE book. Anyway, This was my very first Black Library read, and honestly what kept me reading more from that Publication. Glad you guys finally checked it out.

[@pattyspapers9440]

"Maybe it's better he doesn't get to see Horus turn traitor." Ohh he does DK. That and more.

[@maxwalker5355]

About the no 2nd act low point, I think there was one, after the Whisperhets. But Lokunn doesn't know fear, so it didn't affect him for long, where Sindamin and Euphratie aren't astartes, so they definitely had a second act low point.

[@scottmiller6939]

"We will keep reading until Lokens demise." I guess we reading the whole thing huh.

[@jaakkolehti6501]

Loken's arc is: Horus Heresy volumes 1-3 & Vengeful Spirit & The Buried Dagger & the first Siege of Terra novel Solar War.

[@commissarcactus1513]

One of these months I hope AdRic reads some of Peter Fehervari's work. He was writing horror in Warhammer before the Warhammer Horror imprint ever existed, with novels like Fire Caste (which is more of a Guard book than Tau), Cult of the Spiral Dawn, Requiem Infernal, and The Reverie.

[@CaptJABRONIE]

Cool art and videogames made me like 40k. This podcast made me a fan boy of 40k. This trilogy of books made me love 40k. Excited we finally made it here

[@warhawk9566]

Okay look, I can agree Titus was kinda a wet blanket without much personality, but how the fuck can you say no character had personality when you had Chairon in your squad? I fucking loved Chairon. Also i'm sorry but people keep saying "so many space marine 2 moments were over the top and stupid" Warhammer is over the top and stupid isn't that like half the reason we showed up here? Like look, the writing isn't anything fantastic and it's not award winning but imo it got the job done and the story was fun and had a ton of fun character moments

[@WILLTY13]

The Luna wolves trilogy and really everything leading to flight of the Eisenstein is so good

[@rump438]

I want a space marine like game based entirely on Lokens story. It’d be so good.

[@molten_blizzard]

As someone who has read the first 3 books in the last 3 months and are halfway through Flight, I’m so happy to hear someone else’s thoughts of the book and how good it was. Loken is such a great character and all of the marines having personalities and shit talking each other (respectfully within rank) So glad they enjoyed it

[@latlatko]

I read these books more then 10 years ago, will be interesting too see how much I remember

[@brandenmayers9373]

TLDR on Samus. Yes he is a deamon, but he is the first deamon of a choas god called The Dark King who does not exist in the current timeline of 40k, but since time works weird in the warp he is technically from the future. Thats the easiest way I can explain it

[@chilledpenguins8381]

The first five books of the HH series (chronologically) are 100% must reads. Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein, and Fulgrim are written so well. I love how the descent of man and rise of chaos happens so insidiously and unstoppably. Follow those up with Legion, A Thousand Suns, Prospero Burns, First Heretic, and Know No Fear. I guess the Heresy is best consumed in five book chunks.

[@billykiddcolman2233]

Absolutely love this book along with the first few. Got them on audible which is great too. These videos are awesome, keep up the good work!

[@SilverDragonLancer]

I thought knowing the lore would help me understand the novels After reading this novel first it made the impending tragedy hurt so much worse😭💀

[@john12644]

It's kind of cool the four mournival represent a thought process the Roman's had that each person has a 4 personality type sanguine, chloric, melancholy, and phlagmatic. Sanguine is torgaddon, chloric abaddon, aximand is melancholy, and loken is phlagmatic. They do this to have a level headed leadership, and later on that devolves and the leadership falls apart because of that. Although sir Janus had all 4 traits equally. It's just a nod to more roman stuff like legions and what not I think.

[@jakejohnson9552]

For more Human space marines, but in 40K, check out Space Wolf, the first book in Ragnar Blackmane’s series. Find out why the spacewolves were so liked in the 2000’s.

[@Son_of_Russ]

The first Space Marine game made me aware of 40k but my on ramp was after a friend gifted me the Space Wolf Omnibus.

[@antdrioite]

I finished horus heresy plus siege of terra before Adeptus ridiculous read the first book. And I started after the podcast began.

[@t0asteds0up57]

Bricky forgetting he mentioned Loken being at the Siege of Terra lol

[@Arashmickey]

Lucius: I am the greatest! Loken: [BIFF!]

[@DavisXero]

Idk if you guys will see this, but to explain what happened with the first three books: The original idea was to have a Horus Heresy Trilogy and that is what they told the writers. Around the time the third book was being written, GW decided it would be better to stretch the series out a bit more and milk the sales, due to the success of the first book.

[@cptsteele91]

I think one of my favourite things about this book is how early when it hypes up the Astartes it mentions how people generally think the only thing that could take an Astartes in a fight is another Astartes, which was a laughable prospect because there is absolutely no chance that could ever happen whatsoever...right guys? I like how the first 3 books actually make you like pretty much all of the characters, so by the 3rd when the heresy kicks into high gear you do actually feel bad to see them turning on each other and some of the deaths that occur.

[@stalkermike]

When I read the horse heresy to begin with I started with Galaxy in flames, went back to horus rising and then the next one. I don't remember what it's called but I kind of knew going into reading horus rising something was going to happen. Great book though! I remember loving all of the first couple of Horus heresy books.

[@KetaceanKyle]

To the comments: Stfu! To Shy: Let them keep reading......

[@NMaderis]

"should we just keep doing this until Loken's demise?" Lol. I guess I'll be subscribed for awhile

[@Angel0fJustice25]

Hey Bricky….you want to know what happens to Loken??? Then read ALL THE HERESY!!!!

[@AevasHouse]

You guys should read Blood of Asaheim. Its a space wolves book where they go to help sisters of battle fight a nurlge army. The interesting thing is you get to see what goes on in the mind of a person who is in the process of becoming a pox walker and after and let me tell you Bricky They are NOT as mindless as once thought

[@UnhingedNW]

I read Horus rising with not a lot of 40k knowledge, but some. That being said, it held up well at the time. I want to go back and listen to it again.

[@MonsterandGames214]

While there are a good chunk of outlyers, do feel 30k space marines have wider range and personality to them then most 40k marines

[@zieresXiii]

"I don't think Garviel Loken is making it out of this trilogy." He doesn't know, chat. They both need to continue. Especially onto Flight of the Eisenstein

[@Oshiznit]

garviel survives the bombing of istavaan III goes insane becomes a local legend, is found and returns to become a grey knight. Man never died just pulled a john wick. Hes a perpetual man can never die. that's why I'm wondering why the emperor doesn't just give up have a theme for 40k that drops into a even greater dark time and then have a awesome come back.

[@strudnir5582]

I think you guys should do a Warhammer Fantasy bookclub sometimes in the future, my personal proposition would the the Matthias Thulmann: Witch Hunter trilogy, they're kinda simple but they give you a good idea about the overall vibe of the empire.

[@slackeratlarge575]

Can’t wait till you get to “Flight of the Eisenstein” my favorite

[@scuffedwizard]

Since the squad is reading more Heresy, I recommend Legion. It introduces John Grammaticus and is an overall interesting spy novel

[@demon1103]

Finally!!! Finally a book club where I could listen day 1 and not have to wait.

[@Caiju-cd4zc]

I think that instead of a guardsman, Blood Angel or Custodian standing between Horus and the Emperor in the final battle, it should have been Garviel Loken stopping Horus from killing the Emperor that way you get the whole story coming full circle with "I was there the day Horus slew the Emperor." Just an opinion. I also haven't finished the series, so no spoilers pls.

[@SlothyTheDemon]

BIG SPOILER ABOUT LOKEN: After the third book, there is a short story where Loken comes back as "Cerberus" the book is called "Garro: Legion of One" if you didn't read that short story you gona be really surprised ones he just shows up in the book called "vengeful Spirit"

[@calikk26]

I liked galaxy in flames, false gods was probably my least liked of the original trilogy of books but they're all still bangers though.

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

I will always take deep satisfaction from seeing Torgaddon give that awesome dressing down to Eidolon. Literally the perfect counter to the snooty, arrogant, and haughty vibe that Eidolon has in spades.

[@hampusnilsson6950]

The memory loss on these guys worries me. How can you forget Horus Aximand!? You just finished the book.

[@gokbay3057]

Yeah Little Horus is pretty memorable if only for the name/nickname.

[@ericpennington7575]

This was my very first book and my introduction into warhammer, while the beginning was very confusing but after that it was great

[@DINOROAR2912]

Hope you guys do the Seige of Terra eventually, especially Warhawk, The First Wall and Echoes of Eternity

[@josiaholmos9533]

When they were talking about their general dislike of fight scenes in books, I was thinking about how awesome the fight between jaghatai and mortarion is... possibly the most epic fight scene in any 40k book... or any book I've read period.

[@chilledpenguins8381]

As someone pretty new to the 40k universe, I figured "hey, I like lore, lets start at pretty much the beginning" and went to Horus Rising. Let me tell you, I was NOT ready for Galaxy In Flames.

[@krankarvolund7771]

I remember the first time I read Horus Rising, the opening sentence threw me on a loop, and I had to check I hadn't took the first book of the Siege of Terra per accident XD

[@ToTeMVG]

my favorite part of the book is hearing erebus is there and just immediatelly hearing alarms blaring in my head