Hot Debate as Joshua Maponga Destroying Christian Pastor, GOD is Foreigner

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[@AJAY16411]

this back and forth has taught me one thing, an intellectual like maponga can only have a sensible debate/discussion with another intellectual, not someone who is too emotionaly attached to their religion

[@plaingospeltruth2427]

Or Maponga is running away from a direct question because there is nothing europian in the bible.

[@gabrielsilva5780]

@@plaingospeltruth2427 well then leave vhristianity to the ethiopians and coptics of egypt since its their religion, it shouldnt be imposed in all of africa and less the yt bastersized version that was imposed on our ancestors through castration and intimidation and killing and raping our people into submission....lol

[@earlmontgomery847]

@AJAY16411 what makes this so nonsensical is that the clown admitted on several occasions that Mr Maponga was more educated than he on the subject 🤔 but failed to humble himself. In the words of Dr. JOHN HENRY CLARK: I ONLY DEBATE WITH MY PEERS AND ALL OTHERS I TEACH!!

[@Foutaises]

Well said. The guy is so emotional and good slave with no intellectuel capacity.

[@auckleysiabowa3870]

​@@earlmontgomery847You and MJ have lived in different times. You will never understand his bitterness of Christianity because he saw what Christianity did to his fellows.

[@RutagyengyengwaEmmanuel]

Maponga is just above these guys,they’re drunk with colonial wine.

[@tarollonobuzana]

you said it better, I was going to be rude

[@osamuyifxllc4490]

It’s a shame to see Africans being gatekeepers for European.

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

The enslaved black mind will defend his slave master book more than slave master himself. The colonized black mind will defend his colonizers book more than the colonizers himself.

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Not the same league

[@SenzwaMbutuma]

You said it better because i was vibrating already

[@earlmontgomery847]

The modulator is colonized totally, as a African American I see these type as being Africa's biggest problem.

[@taq1238]

Unfortunately, they can be found in all of our communities.

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Each generation will be programmed to fellow, the same old Bible because it works like charm

[@Muntw.2.0]

The modulator you are talking about, we have about 12 million more of those people in Zimbabwe. The kicker is we think we will be able to resolve our political and economic problems by the hand of Jehovah. The majority of us cannot see that the real issue is an identity crisis. If we do not know who we are as a people then we do not know what's good for us. I have nothing against god but for once can Zimbabweans please acknowledge our own god and ancestors. Until then, we will continue to be punished by forces that are greater than us for the disrespect we show to them. I can't believe my people have surrendered our land and identity to Jehovah, a deity that has nothing to do with our African identity. I've learnt to look after myself and myself only because Zimbabweans are hopeless.

[@miguelkamona3550]

Yeah he's one of them white folks in black skin😮😮

[@Foutaises]

I am African living America. You are so correct. It’s one of our biggest problems now. People are so desperate and give in to these so called pastors that really need to be jailed for abusing their own people.

[@benjaminmuia6264]

The reason why maponga should write in English is because the English men came in Africa and disrupted our African culture and spirituality. Oppressed, enslaved, colonized Africans and forced their religion on Africans. So to liberate the Africans you must use the language of the oppressors before reversing to the original African Spirituality.

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Identity crisis

[@SeniorFranklin-zi6zj]

Wow ❤wow​@@lacinabakayoko4634

[@SeniorFranklin-zi6zj]

Wow ❤

[@tshamusiyomashudu1275]

Why should he write in Hebrew? These two are confused

[@sakhisizwemseleku367]

Ay it seems like a confused head has been in the abyss for far too long to even see the light at it presence. May we all young Africans see the light through Baba Mamponga.

[@iamwhoisayiam6956]

Many of us see content & wisdom.

[@MuziZamani]

Impela bafo but this knowledge must be passed from generation to generation. Because the manipulators of this world are busy recruiting the pure people in to their scam

[@uriyahBaraka]

What Joshua is saying clearly, when you convert to European Christianity, you are converting to European culture.

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Cultural imperialism. Islam, Christianity, Judaism

[@enyahbantu3705]

Yes

[@toanamkandawire8573]

Yes yes

[@siyavuyamdanda3755]

And it's true

[@siyavuyamdanda3755]

😂 kunjalo

[@MfundoTheFellow]

This was an insult to Joshua Maponga. No, it was definitely the wrong place to be for him

[@ssemwangaremmy7998]

This pastor is busy ignorantly defending his bread winner.....(christianity) coz he's been brainwashed to think that religion solves all African problems. Baba maponga thx for schooling this preacher who even forgot his culture,roots by tolerating the colonial standards set in form of religion.

[@millcentboromakamara5433]

❤

[@taq1238]

"Religion is the organization of spirituality into something that became the hand maiden of conquerors. Nearly all religions were brought to people and imposed on people by conquerors, and used as the framework to control their minds" Dr. John Henrik Clarke

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Master teacher

[@globalcetzen5271]

@@lacinabakayoko4634He’s dearly and sorely missed… but his legacy lives on, awakening consciousnesses worldwide…🥹

[@CarmenVanreenen-t4b]

Bs the scriputes are real however the bible ain't

[@taq1238]

@CarmenVanreenen-t4b How does your comment relate to what the quote states? I don't get it.

[@diribatasamaofficial8170]

Yes

[@dee4871]

The interviewer is so rude and unprofessional not to mention ignorant😮😮😮😮😮 These individuals are beneath Joshua Maponga 👩🏽‍⚖️👩🏽‍⚖️👩🏽‍⚖️👩🏽‍⚖️

[@mticha9566]

He’s so ignorant.

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

💯 every day all day

[@ThulareMonama-do8gm]

What an interesting discourse!! Unfortunately,honourable Mr Maponga is debating with a wrong African who is only prepared wholeheartedly to rationalize and protect the European misconception of religion,and Africans of his kind are a lot,due to the fact that the European religion is actually beneficial to them financially. Africa is in danger of being led by Africans who do not want to unlearn and decolonize themselves,absolutely this so-called pastor in the studio should be ashamed of himself.

[@zaneleshongwe6133]

Exactly 💯

[@ThulareMonama-do8gm]

Indeed,the pastor doesn't even know how and for what fundamental reason Christianity was formed,and the saddening thing is that,he is even shy of the fact that the Bible does not incorporate other scriptures which could have exposed the European lies,and self-confered superiority over blacks and other races,religion is political.

[@BaseLineBillionaires888]

Maponga is on another level

[@MrRastafari01]

Maponga is light years ahead of those two MPIMPI’s

[@mainesefali4325]

Mpimpis made my day

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Religion is opium to the masses african people are intoxicated by this opium

[@siyandlovu3924]

Absolutely!

[@siyabonganxumalo4574]

Not light. He is in deep darkness.

[@joshuajilana415]

Joshua Maponga thank you 🤩 only god one day will come and show him or her self but thank you for loving Africa

[@enyahbantu3705]

Maponga J Son of kings n Queens knwladge is power, teach the brother and long live 💪

[@kiabetsoewer3ezerrermcffxf144]

The gap of intelligence is too wide

[@arakasylvester5395]

Watching frm kampala Uganda I love Maponga with soul, body and mind. He opened my eyes and i deceased frm entering church buildings

[@MartinChiseva]

Seek Truth my brother, Maponga is lost.

[@nyarondiajames4999]

Maponga ,the once pastor slowly and steadily getting out of Christianity . .He is getting out of his mind and unfortunately many people are not a ware of his backsliding. Open your eyes, read the bible understand God through His .word. .from Kenya 🇰🇪

[@julietgrant62]

Maponga we are in a time where you will not be understood unless The Most High "remove the scales from the eyes." I am sure that in the time when Messiah was here he was the most controversial, misunderstood and that is the reason why they plotted against him. Do what you are called to do, for the message you were asked to deliver will reach who you were sent to give the message.

[@taq1238]

🙌

[@KofiBiitiinam]

Christianity much to be shut down in African ones and for all

[@ARC.benedict-samson]

Same also Islam

[@BangoYatani]

Truly brother

[@zaneleshongwe6133]

Exactly, we need to do away with this colonial system

[@salvationmasinge4225]

Keep dreaming

[@TatendaBatirai]

As long it does not go with scriptures i dont protect it", where is the ring in the bible😂😂😂😂😂

[@21kd]

Maponga is 💎💎💎 God blessed him🎉

[@Iamthatiam00]

The bible is not the word of God!!

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

The Bible is not true words of God.the Bible is the man made tool of suppression and oppression, there's no proof whatsoever that Jesus christ ever actually existed it's the biggest hoax. Church is hustle and Jesus Christ is the product.

[@elvismahlabane2821]

It's a record of what happened

[@Holy1OfIsrael.]

it’s history and prophecy which contains the word of The Most High for our instruction and direction into the next life.

[@elvismahlabane2821]

But specifically for people of esrael .Bible talk about relationship between esrael and God

[@Holy1OfIsrael.]

@@elvismahlabane2821 That’s correct, but people don’t even believe that, they think God cannot speak so therefore they live life in unbelief and tell you your mad for believing in this book.

[@aswadnkrabeankreabea5903]

This is a very interesting conversation. However, my beloved brother Joshua Mapongo should not be intimidated by the ignorance and inferiority complex of his opponents. Clearly, he is much more knowledgeable and versed with Christianity and traditional spiritual practices. Speaking from a well-informed position has the edge over them. This is why he should not allow brainwashed, ignorant individuals like these to throw him off his equibrileum and get upset. He must rather use a scientific approach and expose the flaws, lies, deception, and stupidity that are prevalent in the Bible along with its intended purpose to deceive. He must also expose the prostitution, piracy, and rape of African spiritual practices and culture. Clearly point out to them how all these versions of the Bible have stolen and perverted African indigenous theology and historical facts and expose the mind mapulation inflicted up them by colonialism and racism.

[@brightonjumbe3243]

The pastor has a laptop with him and maponga is speaking off head,that shows how small the pastor is

[@BekeSibanda-d5w]

Don't even feel like visiting his church. Little knowledge he has

[@mjmckenzie2359]

Henrik Clark said " I only debate with equals" Maponga needs an equal. UBUNTU

[@DricksMuzi]

The rest I teach 👊

[@KgomotsoNdlovu-w5m]

Yes,, what a wise man

[@Mpho-kk9lt]

These men speak so on learn, drunken in the wine/ blood of Christianity

[@acholisaac3252]

Maponga vs two students 😅

[@MichaelChirwa-tw8qj]

You are every right

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Not in the same league

[@siyandlovu3924]

They simply don't get it shame

[@modisemodise2335]

I think we blacks just spend too much time in things which makes us poorer daily while other guys discuss the AIs and how they create wealth out of solving problem facing humanity today. Education should not be confused with acquring gathering book informations it should be reduced to solving African basic problems poverty, hunger and sufferings

[@wongamamduma4069]

These pastors are limited upstairs. Mr Maponga should never have honoured their invite. They are very difficult to engage with and more so, have limited scope biblically which they claim is their territory!!!

[@modisemodise2335]

Even him Maponga seems to be so limited too. If he is welll educated should be able to move down to a level of any person he is discusing with... this thing of im more educated than you is a non starter show us that you are educated dont tell us

[@bolsh7]

These are guys who deny that before colonialists came they started with religion 🤔, that guy needs to wake up from his delusional world.

[@musiitwajulious]

Hmmmm🤔🤔🤔

[@musiitwajulious]

You mean your cultures that have immoralities like night dancing and human sacrifices and child sacrifices.!!!!! Wake up Mr.

[@bolsh7]

@@musiitwajulious you don't know your history???????????????????????????????????????????? Or you want me to talk about avengers, wakanda 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ianmanyoni4675]

the other pastor is too emotional for this debate whilst Maponga is relaxed

[@FestusSekyi]

My brother, Christianity is an emotional religion.. You can never defend it without being emotional..

[@innocenttshepothabane5792]

Maponga is son of kings 🤴, emotionally or not He still settles the dust down

[@globalcetzen5271]

I love and respect him to pieces …🪘✊🏽🪘

[@LeonardBlacks-Vevo]

maponga the most intelligent man in the world

[@2mjditches]

According to your level of understanding.

[@GregoryMccalla-t2g]

I think that pastor needs help he last...big up Joshua

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Colonized mind defending his colonizers book.

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Religious psychosis

[@tinokcq]

He gets personal when answered

[@REACHEastLondon]

As a Christian, I think the church and especially church leaders are not yet equipped to answer some of the modern questions that are floating online and in memes.

[@Phodi-r4h]

Maponga doesn’t understand the purpose of free will…that’s why there is good and evil…you decide…no one is forced into Christianity…if you don’t believe it’s your own decision…🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@WISDOMTENDA]

💯

[@ianmanyoni4675]

Maponga has to write it in English to reach the 8 billion people. The guys Maponga is debating with are somehow asking idiotic questions. They tell him to give them a chance to speak but they fail to do the same

[@Phodi-r4h]

I wonder why the Bible was translated into English…🤔

[@agnesmajola4929]

This pastor has a broblem of listening. He is too emotional.I cannot learn anything from him. Maponga is telling the truth . The scripture codes many books. Thanks to Joshua Maponga❤

[@enyahbantu3705]

Knowledge, wisdom n understanding comes from above they think Christianity is all not knowing that is a western culture that has bn forced to him n his forefathers when he wakes up from slumber I hope it won't be too late cz Christian ity it's a crap read the letter of king Leopold the 2snd u Wil vomit Christianity. Hvn n ear to listen is not for everyone only the chosen

[@day162]

“The higher christianity grows, the higher the immorality on the continent “.

[@teem7303]

Do you believe this to be true?

[@ARC.benedict-samson]

Same also Islam

[@CS-wn5lv]

💯 Religion brings in the notion of "I can do anything and then always ask for forgiveness". No consequences, nothing

[@user-dj1hh7sh2x]

💯 ,A good example is Nigeria.​@@teem7303

[@salisumohammedadams2406]

@@CS-wn5lv That is the problem.

[@elijahnyamwa3451]

The christian is more angry than the African traditionalist and that shows us who's closer to God

[@samlesetja6403]

How?

[@philanisikwili8907]

This FAKE pastor is not about debating, it seems he's been angry of Maponga not from that platform but for along time,, he's emotional and defensive of his lies.....

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

When it comes to religion most people are nothing but overgrown children.the more absurd a religion is the more power it exerts

[@ThauBogosi]

It is clear to me that there are many more people that need to know the truth. Also they have not read the books that were taken out. When they read the books that were taken out it will be clear to them what Maponga was saying.

[@SanthoSejake]

M commenting in english!! Mr Maponga no one can stand against you sir,I have been following your teachings and honestly I have learnt a lot from you sir❤

[@reubenngambi-x5r]

Once you start feeling that you have more wisdom than the rest that's where the problems Begin

[@sisandalisa2215]

Fundamentalism is a problem. This pastor has a serious problem.

[@concealed84]

I believe the Pastor has the anger issues, the dude won't just listen.🙌

[@thabodesmondledimo7141]

😂😂😂

[@lacinabakayoko4634]

Religious psychosis

[@mathephoka5616]

More than Maponga who wants to beat the other guy?

[@realgnatiousmusic]

Taitorohwa kuti tiende kuchurch so christianity is a forced religion to us....

[@kojodagaati-]

​@@mathephoka5616 Nonsense who crossed the line first ? Why do you tell someone your in a debate with that you control him ,while the debate moderator is there😂

[@thembasiyamukela6538]

The liberation of Africa will not come with what it was conquered with....Christianity is not the solution people need to wake up.

[@njabuloncube1538]

Joshua does not know what he is talking about at all.

[@MichaelRichardson-q9z]

Coming from a Black American here in America...I too had my Questions and saw the Contradictions as well as lived the Experiences of the Different Treatment towards Different looking Christians Based on the STANDARDS that Brother Maponga speaks of... Through my OWN Seeking and Questions, I am now into AFRICAN Spirituality....Im here to say that ONE MUST SEEK With tue HEART to get here...

[@Zinhle314]

That man of God is something else, if he keeps that attitude to his congregation, the mindset is horrible. Christianity was an imposed religion in our black societies during colonial era! Our forefathers used to be hanged when they refused to convert. They’re were not allowed to practice their African traditions, it was regarded as demonic or satanic! The Alkebulan people knew that there was or is a GOD before the European descended on our lands. The Pastor’s mindset needs decolonisation!

[@tshepimoshabi4593]

The part where they put English down, remove it from their fingers, undress themselves from it and start fighting in shona did it for me. Moral of the story, if you live in Zion, don't argue with the matrix

[@hawkithreesixtydegree9017]

Mr Maponga, I love you so much that I hope you remove Joshua from your name, replacing it with our African name. You are honest and truthful. Our people are enslaved mentally and need to be taught over again. Please, moderator, don't bring this kinda man/pastor to debate with Mr Maponga because you have just wasted Mr. Maponga's precious time, which you might not get next time.

[@mzwabantumagadla8854]

He uses Msrara as well when he intro himself

[@Kem-OurMessou]

I think it is because of his intellectual rigor that he keeps that name, because whether he wants it or not, colonization has made a mark in our history. Even I, bear a christian name, but my children will not, as I decided to take my historical initiative back.

[@r-cubesa5351]

I would like to see a debate between Gino Jennings and Maponga.

[@bonexboney]

Tha would be fire 🔥 🔥 😅

[@TsedekBen]

Jenny a fool

[@salvationmasinge4225]

Right 😂,He will destroy Maponga

[@thusotsotetsi2319]

Maponga is toooooo proud fully, yooooooooooh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@sir_kay]

Too proud that one

[@OmarSanyang-w3u]

Christianity it is not a religion it is a business

[@michaelyeboah7789]

Two things can be true

[@NkosiShangase-w2w]

The lips of wisdom are sealed, except to the ears of understanding, greatest African proverbs

[@nyekosunday2255]

Maponga is such a great and intelligent elder he basically understands the scriptures much more than ignorant fanatics that always make their emotions speak louder than the truth they don’t need to hear always . In many cases such fanatics hates truth because they use Christianity to take money from our poor mothers and in the other hands they are leaving luxuries life.

[@MichaelRichardson-q9z]

I love listening to brother Maponga, he KNOWS what he is Speaking of...He is a Pure Soul...

[@BenjaminChiweshe-q7s]

Maponga is the G.O.A.T😂😂😂😂❤❤❤

[@freddychauke4505]

Only those who are filled with the Spirit will understand the scriptures

[@LetsDoSocialWork]

"We have all night. We can have this conversation for SIX WEEKS. I'm here!" - J. Maponga 😹

[@Lebo-Aaliyah]

lol

[@Abraham-b1r]

GOD=Government Ordinance Department...control over your basic life.

[@moviemakerjo6756]

🎯👏🏾

[@WISDOMTENDA]

These are the days where many will fall away from their faith.Debates,arguments and human intelligence cannot change who the Creator of all is.Know God for yourself and grow in the knowledge of Him,by doing that,you can never be deceived by anyone or anything.We give Him the highest praise forever and ever🙏 🙏

[@Chackelvelvet]

that’s a lie he told, in the book 📖 said god don’t love everyone he even regrets making certain people which he regrets doing. everyone turned religion to suit their own beliefs and theory’s, religions is a tools ⚒️ to use to suits the bearer of that belief, a book 📚 of slavers and willing slave.

[@businkala2554]

We already knew God before religion was shoved down our throats

[@EM-qz9xb]

I think the modulator is against maponga. He's supposed to be asking to both like a debate. I for one the interviewer is a failure.

[@RutagyengyengwaEmmanuel]

The pastor complained about too much education being problematic and Maponga asked him whether stupidity is the solution 😂😂😂.It’s my best part..

[@timbergalore5470]

It's a pity the pastor is still lingering on the past slumber .he cannot debate with maponga

[@WillyMatlhaku]

Mr Maponga i salutes u,piease teach our African not to copy other people's cultures im an African nd i will die an African nd proud to be one i thank u

[@artbender5967]

Maponga just wiped the floor with the panel😂

[@williammanduna873]

We must go with Mr Maponga

[@llinksenterprise4877]

Let's all shout, Maponga.. Maponga... 💪💪💪✊✊✊

[@MatthewAppiah-hb2fe]

MR JOSHUA IS TOO LOADED WITH THE TRUTH TO BE UNDERSTOOD BY RELIGIOUS BOUND PEOPLE

[@bodaboda9620]

Total confusion & Dictating each other.

[@Jackson35320]

This maponga guy is learned and above these guys.

[@donpreston417]

We have the same issues in America. They eat it. up like cornflakes here.

[@VictorChunga-f1g]

Maponga is the great man ever had in alkebulan ❤❤

[@geromelazarus5172]

Talk truth Mr.Maponga

[@itsangaB]

That gospel is meant to reach all interested people irrespective of where one comes from. So English is understood by many in Africa. How many people in Africa understand Greek as compared to English.

[@el-taurus]

29:50 the mere fact my brother truly had to explain this is embarrassing🤦🏾‍♂️ he really thought he had Wise one here 😂😂😂 wow😂😂😂

[@terekab5883]

If you mean Maponga ,boy is he wise !

[@shokifransmotshaisi6720]

Maphonga must stop talking against God if he wants to continue living . In 1996 a Muslim preacher Ahmaad Deedat mocked God and he was rebuked by the pastors in SA Durban to refrain from mocking God. The pastors wrote an open letter to the Muslim preacher and published it in a local news paper warning him to stop mocking God . That was in 1995. Guess what , he suffered a stroke in 1996 and he was bedridden until 2005 . May I say this to Mr Maphonga , please do not undermine God, we love you and God loves you very much . But we advice you to find something to talk about . Don't say you were not warned . May God be truthful and every man a liar .

[@Nkalala]

Suka

[@blumaxx1]

This person interviewing j maponga sounds like my ex wife..argue about everything

[@thabodesmondledimo7141]

😂😂

[@vinnettepope8255]

😅😂😆 😂 🤣 😅 😂

[@sibonisoMpanza-gn2mt]

😅😅😅😅

[@CS-wn5lv]

😂😂

[@Supervisor2Xone]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂you really killed me man...plz don't do that

[@Trafigancyzanzibah]

The pastor is out of topic He doesn't have sense

[@Msemaji-z5w]

Time is wasted on those who are convinced they are correct. Let them continue in their rightous indignation.

[@siyavuyamdanda3755]

Ziyakhaaaalaaa ke manje azikhale 😂

[@denisOkello-qe8oi]

Maponga is brilliant but at the same time can confused people if he wants.

[@carolynharper2054]

Some of the bible is right but much of it has been tampered with.

[@lilacer6841]

Which part of the Bible is right

[@CS-wn5lv]

A little poison spoils the entire pot

[@danielncube9667]

Wht a shallow minded pastor Maponga the intellectual we are learning

[@lenjii5559]

Whit.man.madnis.make.blackman mad

[@emmanuelmwashita4699]

The Moderator is biased. Exactly how ZEC handles elections in Zimbabwe. 😢😢😢

[@yosafebnd6516]

Maponga is intelligent

[@samlesetja6403]

He is far from intelligent and politicise faith!

[@prophetisraelking3759]

There is no need to debate such manner , just prove by POWER OF GOD, that's how we teach theses adulterous generation. THE SCRIPTURES IS NOT HISTORY BY MYSTERIES OF GOD TOWARDS MEN.

[@derektoussaint1538]

I’m exhausted

[@JuliusMalatji]

So-called Pastors are emotional, I don't understand why. They think they the power like their colonizer

[@slabertmensah7109]

Family the scriptures is our history but its revelation is for humanity

[@mxolisinash7447]

"You can control your wife".

[@thulanintunja3349]

Maponga argues based on FACTS Not on Emotions.

[@KellysMwape-wb7zq]

Am on Baba Maponga's side, watching from Lusaka, Zambia. Love you Maponga

[@closedaccount3441]

He needs to write it to help English speakers WAKE UP.

[@RutagambwaRutaraka]

Mzee maponga you have the knowledge don't echo. Let them echo you just bombad them with knowledge.