Hot Harley-Davidson Motorcycles and Riders Don't Even Know It

[@GixxerFoo]

Have you ever experienced a stock Harley-Davidson with a good improved stock tune? What did you think about how it compares to factory?

[@joetroutt7425]

@@GixxerFoo my '14 SG (103) had a power vision tuner on it and it hauled ass. My stock '19 SG (114) runs like ass compared to the '14.

[@ToddSloanIAAN]

@@joetroutt7425 do you have both of them?

[@joetroutt7425]

@@ToddSloanIAAN no, unfortunately I wrecked my 14. Pesky mail lady turned left on me when I went to go around her.

[@FREEDOMGUNNER]

Gixxer, I have the old school Power Vision 3B tuner with the updated software from Dynojet via Fuel Moto for my 2023 Low Rider ST, and it runs much better than stock. They sent me a base tune for a 117 Breakout, and I simply ran the auto tune about 30 times in all conditions and overwrote the ECM each time. Is that sufficient? Or do you think I should have a legit dyno tune as well?

[@FREEDOMGUNNER]

Any thoughts on the 2022 H-D Pan-America Special? I have the Power Vision 3B Tuner for my 2023 Low Rider ST and can buy a 2nd tuner license for my Pan-America. Do you think that's necessary or is the Pan-America Special stock 1250 motor tuned sufficiently, especially since it has multiple ride modes? Will it mess all that up with a tuner?

[@Sgtyork488]

I'm so thankful I kept my older Harley Davidson...

[@GixxerFoo]

This new stuff is really ridiculous in what it takes to get rid of the lean condition. They will try to convince you it's okay but it's not.

[@richardcrouse9074]

Me too. I have a 1985 FXRS stock with an S&S and a 1996 Ultra Classic also stock with an S&S also both have the S&S hi 4 ignition.

[@hawkdsl]

If it has a "body control module", it's not a motorcycle.

[@milomanx6531]

I bought a new Harley in July 2004 when the new 2005's come out. I searched the whole state of Florida for a carbureted Dyna. I almost bought a 2004, just to get a carbureted bike. At the last moment I called a couple more dealers and found a 2005 Dyna with a carb. That was my lucky day, I never regretted it!

[@wanaraz]

@@hawkdsl You mean that nasty fuel injection? For enjoying the ride and getting the most miles out of a bike it's no big deal.

[@bigjoe805]

Totally agree. Also, the EPA should not include motorcycles (especially Harley’s) in their tyranny!

[@GixxerFoo]

I am hoping we can get something done the next 4 years and get rid of some of this regulation.

[@Scott-rr7dy]

@@bigjoe805 I hope Trump does something positive, and shuts the epaulets down. Waste of money.

[@t.j.soccorsi8810]

This is why I went from a 2012 back to a 1995 model.. no computer crap

[@GixxerFoo]

Quick easy jet changes and you are good to go right there.

[@joetroutt7425]

I'm thinking about selling my 2019 back to a 2014. Those engines are a beast. I miss my 14 SG. Sadly I ended up wrecking it and it got totaled.

[@oneofmany1087]

nothing over 2003 for me. they can keep it

[@dictumfactum9468]

EVOs rule! I agree.

[@RNintheTrenches]

Evo's Forever! Merry Christmas to you and your family Gixxer!

[@kenolson6126]

totally agree. i stopped buying anything HD after the EVO. I have two EVO's and one i ran up to 187000 miles (am working on doing a re-build) and the other, a '99 softail, has 98000 miles on it and runs like the day it broke in. i'll never buy anything else.

[@RNintheTrenches]

Good to hear! Evo's are the forever bike. Safe travels to you!

[@Scott-rr7dy]

Evos Rule, and old riders too.

[@frankharley1000]

1985 Evo Superglide. Original owner, 150K and still running great.

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!!

[@williamwintemberg]

FP3 0n my Twin Cam. I'm happy and so is the engine. Leaving it at stage one. Merry Christmas Everyone!

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas!!

[@donaldduck2801]

Same here fatboy lo 2011 powervision 3 done by the dealer heavy breather and cobra rpt 3. So stage 1. Run smoother and direct on gas response. Change the compensator to screaming eagle 3. I think changing the compensator has more effect then the stage 1. Both ofcourse is the best.

[@kennethcole1551]

I’m 87 years old I bought a 2021 Harley Davidson and I built a camper that I can pull behind my road glide I have over 30,000 miles on it now I have never had a problem with it because every time I head out twice a year ago for the 6000 miles trip. I have my mechanic check it out and make sure everything‘s good.. If you don’t take care of it, it’s not gonna take care of you. I’ve been riding Harley Davidson since 1954. I had one Goldwing that was a piece of junk brakes locked up the plastic fell off so I don’t want to hear about this trash in Harley Davidson. I am disappointed they’re making it in China now that bothers me but the basic drivetrain and the other stuff I don’t want a better bike for what idle speed is not my concern anymore. I just wanna ride 65 miles an hour and go across the country Be safe

[@RulgertGhostalker]

I think it was just the rights to the old EVO Sportster, and most of the tooling for that, that went to China...the SWM Stormbreaker, is what it is called. but this is what people who are worried about Chinese competition in industry need to understand: 1) African heroin is a transparent foreign weapons system that has been on the ground and active in the United States, likely since the times of the colonization, every other place that makes the junk ended up doing so as defensive measure to keep sub-saharan africa from eating them alive. 2) African heroin is responsible for coercing the loss of about 91% of the livestock feed produced in the United States by their illegal activities.....3) due to the previously mentioned, the cost of the meager amount of livestock feed, that china legitimately pays for, has been going up.

[@RulgertGhostalker]

stoich is Not " lean "....but the front cylinder always runs leaner than the rear cylinder; that imperfection is an inherent part of the charm of a 45 degree twin with a branched manifold, the sound and the gallop....what do yah do ? ....I would leave it where corporate has determined it should be, unless I modified the intake and or exhaust.

[@scottmerrow1488]

I think you're straight up lying about the Gold Wing.

[@tphvictims5101]

Tear it up Sir 👍🏻 I’m going on 70 and been thinking about 2 wheels again.

[@kennethcole1551]

@ You can actually think anything you want. I came out of a gas station on the corner Street cross street someone made a right turn on a red light. I touch the front break and it threw me into the road and then the bike was Rolling down the road without me. I got back from Alaska From that long trip I took I got to my daughters house and Rear break locked up and they dragged it up onto the tow truck with the rear brake Locked up I had to stop on the trip five times to pick up the side panels that would blow up the Goldwing. I don’t know you or anybody else on thisKZbin and I have no reason to lie about anything if I don’t know you, why should I lie to you and if you’re my friend, I certainly wouldn’t lie to you when I was younger I had to deal with a lot of bullies just like you don’t contact me again.

[@ShempsWorld]

I have a Twin Cam 103 Wide Glide. Since I bought it, I've upgraded the cams, exhaust, intake, installed an external head breather and downloaded the appropriate tune. It's definitely not EPA legal but, it's a completely different ride than when it was stock and I love it.

[@Hendomonster]

I just added a full exhaust, SE extreme breather, SE aluminum intake to my '22 SGS and had it dyno tuned. It's an outstandingly different ride now. Merry Christmas to you and yours. Thank you for your knowledge and relatable videos.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Merry Christmas to you too!! I hope you have a wonderful one this year!!

[@Old940]

I got a Thunder Max on my 04 FLHTCUI and it's great, you can change it as you keep changing your bike. Yes it's not cheap but again you keep changing your bike and having it turned adds up.

[@scottarmstrong1172]

You are correct on all points. They've been running lean for decades. Another reason to love a carburator. The CV's are so easy to tune. I can do a stage 1 tune in 10 minutes for less than $50. Beats screwing around with a computer.

[@brianbayowski9265]

What jets do you recommend for a CV Stage 1 tune? 🤔

[@scottarmstrong1172]

@brianbayowski9265 The pilot jet is the most important and varies a little depending on the bike. On a TC88 or Evo, I usually run a 45. High altitude a 44, sea level probably a 46. That's not always perfect, but a good rule of thumb is that if it hesitates off the line or backfires a lot on deceleration, go one size bigger. If there's black soot in the exhaust, go one smaller. I usually run a 180 on the main. The other thing is to back out the mixture screw. Turn it in until it lightly seats, then back it out 2 1/2 turns. I've heard guys go from 2 to 3. I split the difference, and it seems to work for me. I don't mess with the spring or slide or anything else. I feel that those mods don't make any real difference on a relatively stock bike. That's the way I do it.

[@GixxerFoo]

Really depends what all you have done to your bike and where you live at to get a good start.

[@scottarmstrong1172]

@GixxerFoo Sure it does. I was only talking about a stage 1, assuming stock cam(s). The 180 main and mixture screw setting has always worked well for me. The pilot jet is always just a starting point. A 45 is usually close, if not perfect. From there, I go by things like acceleration, deceleration, how it acts at idle, cold starts, hot starts, color of the plugs, basically seat of the pants tuning. I'm certainly no authority, just saying how I do it. Naturally, the bigger the cams, the more you have to feed them, and the bigger you go, the more tuning you have to do. Eventually you end up with a 42 Mikuni.

[@brianbayowski9265]

Thank you Scott! 👊

[@AntonioRamirez-lz6vr]

Gixxer, i just want to wish you and all your audience a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! You have the BEST Harley Davidson information & knowledge in my opinion.... Thank You!!!! See you next year 🎉

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well! I really appreciate your support here!

[@buzzpoluchi3217]

Another great one, Gixer Foo. I spent 25 years in service at a dealer and what you said about re jetting new bikes is true. (i thought it was a secret) Sometimes we would do it on bikes that just came in for service, with great success. One guy called and said "it runs so good I can't stand it" On the other hand, I saw many bikes that ran great, but the owner felt the need to hang some nasty, noisy exhaust on it ,killing performance.

[@milomanx6531]

I bought a new Harley in July 2004 when the new 2005's come out. I searched the whole state of Florida for a carbureted Dyna. I almost bought a 2004, just to get a carbureted bike. At the last moment I called a couple more dealers and found a 2005 Dyna with a carb. That was my lucky day, I never regretted it!

[@eddiegerlach7121]

Was fortunate enough to find a 2004 carbed Dyna Low Rider from a private seller a couple of years ago and I couldn't be happier. 🙏♥️💪

[@brandonmacon3317]

My favorite bike is my 2005 fxdli

[@kevincamilleri1695]

Owning a Harley is like having a good looking girl friend who can’t cook, gambles, drinks and loves shopping not you👍

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

No its not the sad reality. There are hundreds of M8 Harley davidsons clocking over 100k miles just fine in stock configuration, plus or minus some slip on swaps for sound. Theres dozens of them on the HD forums, who bought an M8 harley, did basically nothing to it and they're seeing 100k~120K+ miles no problem. I'm a moderator for the Harley Davidson subreddit. We have seen multiple stock M8 posts in excess of 125k miles. No you do not need to spend all this extra money to get a harley to run right. Infact the worst thing for a Harley's reliability? Is the Owners. The era of Harley tax died a long time ago. The only "tax" is if you want a good sound or a different seat. Stock seat on my Fat Boy was quite nice and was good for hours of riding. I changed it ONLY for style purposes. This old tired idea of "gotta spend x money on a harley" is just not true anymore. It's time to update your preceptions. M8 engines are regularly posting 100k+ miles stock. Oh not to mention Harleys vastly outlast sport bike engines and its not even close.

[@craigpennington1251]

Right. Some people you just can't please. And they're the ones bitchin the most it seems. I think that the stock from the factory is a real nice bike. I may brighten it up a bit cause nobody sees blacked out bikes. Had one and liked to never have made it home on many occasions. That bike got sold immediately. Nice but NOT in black.

[@Lemmon714_]

So when you buy a bike, you don't want use it's full potential? Would you buy a car that has 500hp but computer limited to 300hp? My bike would only open the sencondaries over 25% when it was above 8000 and then it would only open to 75%. It is stock except for a flash and a seat but now I get to use all of the power. There is no reason to pay for something and not be able to use it and running as lean as possible isn't good for any engine

[@MrHasie]

@@Lemmon714_they’re making the motorcycle rideable. There are literally people that get their endorsement and climb on too much of a bike. Fortunately for you there are now ride modes in your future. As morbid as it is, a dead Harley rider is no good for the image or the company.

[@Lemmon714_]

@@MrHasie Leaning out a bike does nothing to do with making it rideable for a newbie. It gives me 100% throttle now above 4500. I paid for it, I want to use it. My bike has 143hp and 83tq and I would never have started on anything like that. It will easily bring the front tire right on over in 1-2. I keep it on the lowest tc setting just in case.

[@MrHasie]

@@Lemmon714_ no, you misunderstood, I’m responding specifically to your motorcycle and other new motorcycles being limited in the manner that you speak of. Additionally, I put my thoughts under the main comment section if you’re interested in my position on the matter as a whole.

[@MarshallParsley]

Merry Christmas Gixxerfoo and to your family.

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!

[@paulperrigo3517]

Tune it, 😊 absolutely. Helps with longevity as well

[@GixxerFoo]

You betcha, tunes can save you!

[@GusPineda-ev5uk]

I have 2 old EVO's with carbs with no computer's completely out gone , wouldn't have it any other way, You have Merry Christmas brother and your family, thanks for all the videos

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you as well and thank you for all your support!

[@scottsmith6932]

Hey Gixxer, merry Christmas to you and your family and may you have a safe and prosperous new year. Love your show. Look forward to the next one.❤

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!! I'm going to work on getting a video out after Christmas, going to be a crazy week but I think we can get it done!

[@dictumfactum9468]

Ripped all the computer shit off my 2001 RK and put on a modified Keihin. Runs great. My 2 Evos run S&S carbs. Im a gas guzzlin, , ozone bustin, polar ice cap melting , happy Harley owner.

[@GixxerFoo]

I can see that becoming more the norm in the future with all the electronics on the latest M8. Any failure on those bikes is going to be devastatingly expensive to replace.

[@dictumfactum9468]

@@GixxerFoo Im sure youve seen the prices lately of good low mileage EVOs and early TC88s. Grab a wrench fellas, it aint that hard.

[@ClovisPoint]

never seen a carbon foot print ever ,more chance of seeing a Bigfoot ,footprint.............................

[@kennethwise7108]

Good topic, buy a $40k bike and throw another $5 grand at it to make it run right. What a shame. Maybe "DOGE" can get rid of the EPA! LOL

[@GixxerFoo]

No joke, pretty much anything fuel injected these days needs a tune. Dealers used to re-jet carbs before they sold bikes with all the ones that came back in cause they ran like crap.

[@lpd1snipe]

Actually sicce Chevron deference was recently struck down by the Supreme Court , the bureaucrats in the three letter agencies no longer have the power to write their own laws like they have been doing the past 40 years. So the EPA could be sent packing if the right people filed lawsuits. But I don't think Harley is smart enough.

[@jimmybe64]

I thought the EPA was trying to keep people alive?

[@hawkdsl]

@@jimmybe64 When your a hammer, everything in the world is a nail. The idea and mission of the EPA is a noble and just one, but it's also politically controlled... In these times of hyper virtue signalling, enacted regulations can get extremely out of control. It's like the safety departments of just about anywhere... The appearance of safety is more important then actual safety.

[@muddymo7641]

And harlry is watching everything done you "their" harley. Sounds a lot like John deere

[@1AXMRDR]

Bought a spare bike, low mileage '99 FLHRCI, for a song and tore off the EFI and put a Super E, replaced ignition and wiring harness and it runs like a dream.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's the way to do it!

[@rustybrown1261]

Fuelpak 3 made a big difference on my 2007 road king. Great video

[@GixxerFoo]

It's crazy the night and day difference it makes!!

[@danielscarelli6163]

Happy Holidays to you and your family! Keep up the good work and keep these videos coming.!

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you and yours! I'll do my best!

[@edmonddantes3499]

I've dyno tuned both, my Softail Standard and my Street Glide Standard, both have exhaust and a true intake set up on em...the difference is seriously soooo worth it !!!! Power gains are noticeable but the really fun part is no more governors !

[@GixxerFoo]

That's what I mean when most riders don't know their bike runs like crap stock. You know the difference since you've done exactly what I do to every single bike I own.

[@edmonddantes3499]

@GixxerFoo it almost makes me laugh that so many people are just content with the stock tune, or wanna write the tunes off due to cost... a good tune actually helps with maintenance costs, if ur serious about it, a healthy running bike runs smoother, cooler and for longer. Glad ur back, keep up the awesome videos. I look forward to seeing em .

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

The EPA Just needs to. leave us the hell alone. There is no reason for them to have these regs.

[@GixxerFoo]

Totally agree, it's driven the price of everything way up.

[@SteveChapman-l6y]

Anyone can make a mistake but to really screw things up requires a computer .

[@GIGABACHI]

ROTFLMAO. You nailed.👍

[@Rem700R5MN]

Well said.

[@GixxerFoo]

I've seen what happens when someone flashes a tune and then get's in there trying to improve what guys that do it every day creating tunes have done.

[@MidnightExpressMC]

😂👍👍

[@mikespringer4755]

I own a fuel injected 2004 Road King. I bought it brand new in 2004 and I installed a power commander tuner on it right away after the warranty expired and it helped a lot over the stock tune. I had my bike converted to a trike about 4 years ago and my power dropped drastically! I found a shop that broke into the original computer and added a totally new tune and it runs awesome now. They told me my old tuner was garbage because it was fried. I love riding it now!!

[@dalewarren9885]

M8s 4 valve cylinder heads are much more efficient and dont require super lean jetting, unlike those old 2 valve designs. I went with a TTS Mastertune for my 124" Sport Glide build...bit of faffing about but if you are willing to learn how to use it, you can get it to run pretty well without having the bejesus thrashed out of it on a dyno if you aren't lucky enough to be close to a decent tuner.

[@joetroutt7425]

Hold on, you mean to say that the computer has been locked to keep from adjusting the air/fuel ratio on a M8? Then how are supposed to squeeze more power in it without pitting aftermarket cams and such? Sounds like a pseudo tune. Is there a way to jailbreak the air/fuel mixture?

[@GixxerFoo]

This is just on the new after market tuners you can buy over the counter, government basically stepped in on the aftermarket companies like they did with Harley's super tuner.

[@joetroutt7425]

@GixxerFoo so I can still bypass it if I go to a place to put it on a dyno?

[@tphvictims5101]

The FASTER you drive a Rice Grinder the “Cooler” you are. The Slower you drive a Harley the “COOLER” you are 😉👍🏻

[@GixxerFoo]

You know there's actually a lot of truth to that!

[@brandot.7466]

Thanks for all your great content !!!!! Merry Christmas to you and your family GixxerFoo

[@Rick-Williams59]

I have the old powervision on my stock '13 RG and I added a tune that has the A/F ratio slightly fatter stock, the difference is night and day to me. Great video.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's what I'm talking about! You are spot on, those things are all over the place from the factory.

[@KruseProductions]

Good stuff as usual, thanks. Have a great holiday season.

[@GixxerFoo]

Appreciate it! Hope you have a great holiday season too!

[@gregvidito3383]

Big merry Christmas. Watch all your videos and appreciate the info you share with we riders.

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you as well, I appreciate the support!

[@Tinfoilhat311]

23 RK special. Feuling 472 cam and chest, air cleaner and chromeworks dominator exhaust with louvered baffles, Thundermax tuner with wideband o2s. It's the only tuner that will give you what you want on a newer machine. This was not a cheap endeavor. But the results are fantastic. Still love my older bikes. But I really love this machine.

[@cj8172]

I did similar to my 103, Zippers Red Shift cams and Thundermax, it was asleep before but she's wide awake now.

[@GixxerFoo]

Sounds like you put a lot of time and effort into your build, it really does make a world of difference!

[@Tinfoilhat311]

@GixxerFoo My God, that tuner w/O2 sensors was a 1k. What the heck. I'm in my 60s, and this is the last bike project. Very fun to ride! Merry Christmas to you!

[@Goldencountry63]

My 04 RKC hasn't been touched since I bought it in 2017 for 8500. It's time to bring it up to where it was 10,000 miles ago. For a 88 it has a feel and sound that only my EVO can better. Dynojet Power Commander,V+H no baffle long shots, larger injectors....smells like a school bus when it first starts and leans out perfectly even on 90 degree days. CVO speedo/tach looks cool but difficult to stare down while ripping.so occasionally I see the powerband on display going through the gears. Last week video comment the bike that says it all is my friends Evo-Shovel head Sturgis it has a look that you just can't turn away from when you see it. Thanks Gixx!

[@13thSwarde]

I run a Power Commander V on my 2007 Fatboy. It is fuel injected and Dyno tuned. Runs much cooler than it did in stock form.

[@GixxerFoo]

It's a real eye opener when you ride it stock and then ride it after a tune even with everything else stock. You can easily pick up 5 horsepower off a canned tune alone. I've watched some guys take a stock bike on the dyno and find an extra 10 or a little better.

[@okiemale1589]

Thumbs up for the channel... Great information as always... 😎👍

[@chrish5791]

After buying a PowerVision 4 and installing it I put aside my plans for cams, a cam plate, boring the cylinders with higher compression pistons, and having the heads CNC ported. It made a world of difference and it made me a rider who’s content with my ‘06 Dyna Wide Glide. Foo, how about a video or 2 on tires. I know it’s a can of worms and everyone has their opinion but I’d like to hear what your feelings are on brands and types of tires.

[@NoName-xf2nf]

Hey zixxfoo tryed asking you a question a week ago and again which cool better a oil cool or the new liquid cool where the liquid only cools the upper head and where the oil cools basically the entire engine with both being fan assist

[@GixxerFoo]

The liquid cooled heads are going to win that battle hands down, personally I wouldn't mine running an oil cooler on a twin cooled bike as well. Only the area around exhaust valve(s) (depending if it is twin cam or M8) on the heads are liquid cooled, the cylinders still depend on air. I would could see the benefit of having an oil cooler as well in addition to the liquid cooled heads. The oil on a twin cooled model would be cooler still than on straight air and oil cooled model.

[@nitrodoesstuff570]

You 100% can adjust the AFR with dynojet i do it pretty much daily. Most of the time the problem guys encounter with dynojet is getting base maps that are locked by the original tuner. Many of the "quick download" style ones are generally locked if you run into that problem fill out a tune request form with your bikes configuration. If you're not running a powervision 1 (autotune aside) most fine tune adjustments will have to be done on a computer and then reflashed if you do have a PV1 you can make on the spot percentage based changes to the AFR with the tuner. ::edit:: i just realized you were talking specifically about the PV4 aside from ease of use for guys that may be new to EFI tuning those things are in my opinion not worth the money the PV3 and PV1 are far better functionally and are still available for most bikes they just lack Bluetooth functionality.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's a great point, you're right! Most of the issues with the after-market tuners are the base map limitations.

[@dennisminer7436]

In California (of course), getting a brand new Harley does not mean you can get a tuner right away. You have to wait about a year before California approves the new tuner that goes with your Harley and then afterwards the dealer will sell it to you. But after a year of riding stock, then adding the tuner, plus V&H slip-ons and a high flow air cleaner, and stage 2 cam...you can really tell the difference! It's worth the cost. Even the Harley tech said if he could afford it he would do it to his bike. A brand new automobile would be ready to roll, but not a Harley. It is what it is.

[@hawkdsl]

California was a lost cause a long time ago. The wall should extend around it, and people in it not allowed to leave the state.

[@fastsilverado]

I looked for months for fp3 and couldn't find one. Had to go with fp4 and it seems like no matter how many times I run it, the self tune just sucks.

[@paulwalker7202]

Merry Christmas! you didnt mention the pv1b or target tune. i'm on an old 2008 road king and i like using the dynojet display for gauges you did an excelent video on target tune that led me to this path. love my old bike it's plenty quick, now for suspension...

[@ctsnider88]

Merry Christmas. I just bought my first Harley. 06 883. It is still stock. I want to put a different exhaust. I found a set of Screaming Eagles 2 into 2 that came off an 08 883. Other than pluging the O2 holes will I need to tune it?

[@GixxerFoo]

Being a 2006 you have a carbed bike so you'll need to re-jet the carburetor. Fortunately re-jetting a carb is a lot cheaper than having to get an FI tuner.

[@ctsnider88]

@GixxerFoo well, that could be fun. I'm already running 45-180. Should I upgrade the hotbox intake also?

[@megastick9324]

I’m an old wrench, I can tune a carb to run nearly as smooth as FI. I’ll stick with the old carb bikes and zero issues. Twin cams into the 2000s still ran carbs on some. I never intend to mess with full computer , locked out, government issue engines, so I’m all good here.

[@GixxerFoo]

It's getting bad with electronics the more they advance in engine control on the newer bikes. We have less and less and control over everything on the machines anymore.

[@megastick9324]

@ exactly, that’s why I have zero interest in them. Being an old guy, bikes , to me , are supposed to be a more intimate , hands on kind of experience. The computers are totally from mandates and not needed. They take away too much of a bikes personality and replace it with third party control. The earliest FI bikes could still be tweaked some. But carbed bikes give full ownership back to the rider.

[@edwarddwyer1983]

put a fp3 on my 2018 heritage 114 and it worked well. traded that bike for a 2020 road king 114, put on a fp4 cant tune the ping out of it. going to try a thundermax.

[@user-if8nz2yo5n]

I installed the Fi2000 on my Fat Bob which comes from the factory with the stage 1 - 103ho. Along with the high flow slip-ons I'd already installed, I woke it up seat of the pants tuning style. The most important improvement though was I eliminated the off the line spark knock by fattening up the low circuit. Over all it's a ripper, like riding a Fat Sportster with the missing 6th gear!

[@CATmanATL22]

Gixxer foo , I have a 2012 Road king police I don’t know if they do any tuning on the police bike before they sell them to an agency. Mine seems to have plenty of power, but I haven’t done anything to it. It’s still stock. What do you think?

[@GixxerFoo]

Those bikes have the stock Harley tune, they used to have a 103 years ago when the 88 and 96 was all you could get. Then it was the 114. I believe the 2012 models might of been what was to be the future 103HO with the hotter cam from the factory.

[@CATmanATL22]

@ the dealership where I got the bike from said the police RKs have hotter cams ….. they lease the bikes to departments in New England …..

[@xSliPkNoTTaStIkx]

I just picked up a 2020 Lowrider S and its stock besides cosmetics and pipes. Any recommendations on which route I should take for a tuner/tune? Wasn't planning on doing any motor work but I would prefer it to not run lean like stated in the video.

[@GixxerFoo]

I would pick up a Power Vision, I used to like FuelPak but they are so limited in what they can do.

[@Lemmon714_]

I had my Ninja 1000sx flashed because they all come as lean as possible from the factory. It only gave 25% until 8000rpms. It was like riding a different bike. It gives me all the power now.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's exactly what I was referring to!! You paid for a liter bike and not getting what you paid for. I discovered this on my friends ZH2 when he got his tuned. That went from level 2 ridiculous to just plain stupid lol.

[@jamesschneider1932]

Hey Gixxer , happy holidays ! I have a 13 Electra glide 103 Vance and Hines slip on what would recommend ?

[@GixxerFoo]

I would tune it with a PowerVision if you want more future flexibility. The FP3 is a great choice for ease of use and if you don't have any plans past an air cleaner or full exhaust later on.

[@kevincamilleri1695]

Making a Harley run properly is like making your X give you the house back🙏

[@rayporeca1134]

Do you know much about David Mackie cams iam interested in his 500 lift cam for my old 93 fatboy .seems very close to the wood w6 .thanks Ray

[@GixxerFoo]

I haven't heard much about them in a very long time to be honest. They really got over shadowed by the much larger brands like S&S and Andrews. It's a good cam though, especially for the Evo's. As you mentioned the W6 is a very close comparison.

[@rayporeca1134]

Thanks for the reply back

[@jeffreyponting9524]

Is the $1200 thundermax replacement ECM a good option for the M8?

[@GixxerFoo]

Honestly, that's the best option out there. Yes it's expensive, yes it's more involved to install with the ecm replacement and modifying the stock header for wide band 02 or buying a different exhaust. In the long run it's the best investment out there.

[@jofknoll]

would it be easer to switch to a carb,theres a shop in the UK that sells the lot in a kit form,Mikuni carb electric box that replaces the ECU,manifold, im guessing you can get the same sort of kit in the USA

[@kirkbickel6861]

what about a new thundermax for a 2008 stage 1 flhtc with screaming eagle tuner if i put a new thundermax on can i change afr or are they epa compliant also

[@GixxerFoo]

To my knowledge the ThunderMax is still "off road use only". Yeah... sure, it's for the track lol.

[@scottsmith6932]

My wife’s free wheeler with the catalytic converter will burn your right leg off. I put on a thunder, max tuner and a modified pipe and now it’s livable.

[@GixxerFoo]

Oh that makes all the difference in the world right there, those cats are awful on those though still.

[@scottsmith6932]

@@GixxerFoo what cat?😂

[@richvangorder3900]

That reputation came from the TC and before. The m8s ecu is pretty good

[@Rif_Leman]

You pay enough to buy a good car. Then you have to buy a tuner to make it run. And you still only get what somebody else allows you to have. Yeah, I can't wait to sign up for that. 20th Century Harley Davidson is and always will be the best Harley Davidson.

[@andresinnett4319]

Computer's and Harleys , the mind boggles 🤕😆👍✌

[@ClovisPoint]

The never ending Harley Davidson Dilemma ................................................

[@GixxerFoo]

It really is opening a can of worms, once you start it keeps going and going until you're broke, divorced and or both lol.

[@ToddSloanIAAN]

I have this Super Glide 7:09 right here that you see for a few seconds in the 2009 year which keeps me happy since it was new back then. With many Chrome extras, the 103 Screaming Eagle kit I've always had those days I wish it had some three tone sharp looking paint job but this makes me feel right seeing this right there with maximum shine.. I can't get much of of what I want when I look to trade up in performance for the 2021117 cubic inch Lowrider S that I see locally for sale. You know it's got smooth power appeal but mine is like you see just Super Glide black and chrome. Sharp!

[@jeremyweaver3016]

My 2013 Ultra Classic was stock when I picked it up. I added a Dynojet PV4 with a Fuelmoto tune, then I ran some auto tune sessions on it. It’s been running good.

[@thomashall6937]

I have a super tuner for my 14 twin cam, just can’t fine anyone with a Dyno that will use it to tune my bike, they all use power vision, any thoughts

[@GixxerFoo]

A lot of the issue is that everyone uses Dynojet these days. PowerVision does the the same thing as the Super Tuner, it's just different looking software. When it comes to dyno tuning it's all on the guy interpreting the data and making the changes.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I will stick with my 1203 CC Buel with 103 HP at the crank . I plan to add a Flex Fuel converter to it. Ethanal will cool it down a lot .

[@GixxerFoo]

I've never seen a Buell with a Flex Fuel converter on it, you're going to be the first.

[@Ozninjaguy]

I live in the Philippines with no tune shops or parts suppliers for around 2000 kilometres. What's a good aftermarket tuner that I can install myself on my '19 Low Rider?

[@KMaC-wt9lr]

2005 1200 Roadster, - CARBURETED, tune it with a wrench... in my garage. 👍🏼🎄

[@saddle8bag]

I have the HD tuners/slip ons on both my M8 bikes (107 & 114) and they both fuel perfectly. Both seemed noticeably faster afterward too. The 107 ran like crap with the slip ons and the stock tune. The slip ons with the stock tune actually felt like it robbed the bike of power. Got it back in spades with the HD tuner. Keep in mind, the mfgs can't change the idle and cruising cells of the fuel map. They most definitely can and do change the cells where you crack open the throttle and accelerate. Also, the stock tune makes the idle/cruise cells put out a 14.7:1 AFR only for the stock pipes. Once you start pushing more air with slipons, that ratio goes much leaner. The HD/aftermarket tuners will increase the fuel such that the AFR will be 14.7:1 with the higher flowing exhausts. And for idle/cruising, the stoich AFR works fine.

[@Craig-t1d]

Still have , my 81 Shovel I bought new and my 92 Evo i bought new , will never part with either of them!

[@Craig-t1d]

My 03 Buell XB9r has all that crap but it runs perfectly so I don’t mess with!!

[@bryanrugg446]

What tuner should I have I have a 2017 breakout

[@GixxerFoo]

I would go with a Power Vision all the way. Leaves a lot of room for upgrades and you can get custom maps and a dyno tune for it with your unit just about anywhere.

[@trubullyzzeusfam1546]

Great topic I learned a lot from this video

[@GixxerFoo]

It's amazing what a little fuel tuning will do, especially if the bike is completely stock as well!

[@backschuddle]

I had a Vance and Hines Fuel Pack, on my 2004 FXSTI Softail H/D, and it ran great. That's the first thing I installed after installing a set of their Turn Down Pipes.

[@philball2166]

My bike and every twin cam I ever had ran just fine

[@PAULY-P]

Exactly. Only thing I had to change were compensator and once cam chain shoes. Other than that, almost bulletproof.

[@philball2166]

@PAULY-P I haven't even had any problems with my cams

[@PAULY-P]

@philball2166 That's good!. I only had 1 harley out of many that I've owned that had the cam shoe tensioner blow up on me. They're plastic. Luckily it didn't destroy anything but the shoes. I've owned 4 that needed a new compensator. But I've also owned many and have been riding for 33 yrs. I've put in Evolution Industries compensator delete sprockets in, and never an issue.

[@Hog-g2z]

Good morning 🌅, GixxerFoo, great territorial as per usual, every HD I HAVE HAD, I either tuned it myself or I’ve got somebody to do it for me, . And the difference is like chalk and cheese., but I must admit they all have been carburettor version, makes it a lot easier to tune yourself, and the first thing I always do is change the carb, to a HS42/45, as it is that time of year which I don’t really celebrate as such as I’m by myself, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year, 🥳 to wherever you are in the world 🌍 🍷, from France.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Merry Christmas and happy New Year to you as well! You can start a bar fight over the CV carb versus the Mikuni, I've found you've got some die hard supporters in both corners for those carbs.

[@girthquake9655]

After installing Vance&Hines longshots and an air cleaner on my 883 sportster, I had to add a 46 pilot jet and an 180 main jet. 2 turns out on the air/fuel adjustment screw. Runs great compared to stock!

[@cj8172]

Thundermax on my cammed 103, it was asleep...but now it's wide awake

[@GixxerFoo]

Thundermax is expensive, but it is the best investment for tuning in the long run out there.

[@txsviking]

Merry Christmas!

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, Merry Christmas to you as well!

[@hawkdsl]

In 2002, dealer told me to do the 500 miles, and bring it in for the first service. That included setting up the carb, drilling out the plug, and other things. Of course that wasn't part of that first service officially, but they did it without question or extra cost. Of course my ride is not even close to stock these days, and HD has struck me from the favorites list, LOL.

[@GixxerFoo]

Things have definitely changed since 2002, I really miss those days of no computer stuff!

[@ka-bar5060]

I have a full Stage 1 on my '16 Slim with a V&H Hi-Flow intake, Short Shots, and an FP4. Once I got the FP4 on her and dialed her in with the decel-pop setting and auto-tune, she runs nicely. It's not as nice as my old '00 Super Glide, but still nice. I wish I hadn't sold my Super Glide. I definitely want a late '90s EVO.

[@davidblum4395]

So happy with my 97 Valkyrie. Sure... rebuilding the carbs is an ordeal but damn, when it's running right it's a dream to ride. Every now and then I think about getting a second bike, maybe an older model Harley. Any suggestions?

[@karldoerr9456]

Merry Christmas to you and family!

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!

[@alangerrard3548]

I've often thought about getting an fp4. You're right from time to time it does splutter. I might have to bite the bullet and do it. Thanks Gixxer. Merry Christmas from Scotland.

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!!

[@oldrlh]

merry christmas from Australia mate

[@GixxerFoo]

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!

[@ss_whole]

Bought a 09 1200 Sportster from an HD dealer a month ago with K&N filter and V&H short shots installed by previous owner, don't know if it had a tune on it but at low RPM's it ran like CRAP ! (runs decent once the RPM's climb) Sputtering, hesitating, no power, I put a piece of Duct Tape over about half the air filter element and took it for a test drive, ran about NINETY percent better, just a little flat spot off idle, 99% of the Sputtering is gone. I didn't need to go high tech, lol, but I've got a VIED on order so the tape is only temporary.

[@GixxerFoo]

You got it right there, it's those lean conditions and even a small air filter modification is enough to throw those bikes off!

[@echevarriawilson]

I got a cobra fi2000 auto tuner and with that you really don't need a dyno. They are a little more expensive but they work. I got one on my 2009 street glide when I got the 106 big bore kit with an upgraded 0349 Cam set

[@Silentroller93]

I need to get my PV4 setup for my 2014 Ultra Limited. It definitely runs cooler with the dual cooling but I want to get Fuel Moto tuning on it.

[@garykarnes6514]

I’m so thankful that I never drank the Harley cool aid.

[@GixxerFoo]

Harley market has really fallen off the past few years. I was making my rounds to all the dealers and not just Harley. What I got from talking to everyone was street bikes have really fallen off. Dirt bikes, Atv's and utv sales are up pretty good though.

[@FrankBonessa]

I have a '23 LRS 117 that came with a TBR pipe and SE tuner. Ran very well. Since put a cr483 cam and PV tuner. More than happy. I bought a '24 GSXS1000GT lately and have to say, the stock tune and fueling blows. Took it on a 2500 mile trip and anything below 4k rpm and the surging going on was super annoying. Definitely needs a flash. Have a stock Z900 with slip on that'll blow it away. All this epa crap and euro5 is messed up. Another $600 just to make it tolerable.

[@Richard4616]

Bought a new Dyna Glide Twin Cam in 1999. It had super quiet exhaust. It ran lousy. The only thing I could hear was it coughing back thru the carb when I took off from idle. They said they would fix it if I paid for it. Warranty would not pay for it. So, I bought slip on headers, K and N air filter and Dino Jet kit. Sounded good, had a lot more power and still cough thru the carb. I still have the motorcycle.

[@Clutch_Kick187]

I have an fp3 on my 2010 st glide.. it has a 2into1 air cleaner, s&s 585 cam, lvl 2 heads, milled to reach 10.2:1 compression.. Its running off my FP3.. You can change AFR, you can change VE Tables, you can change spark/timing.. Most just have no idea what they are doing.. I have tuned LS motors on HP tuners for years, so this was super easy to adjust..

[@GixxerFoo]

I have an FP3 as well and PV3. Glad I have them too, the new tuners you can't mess with the AFR.

[@wademavity8476]

Good luck starting a carbureted bike in January and February, My fuel injected 2011 ultra classic runs fine year around.

[@MrShortdaddy1]

bought a 23 street glide s almost 28 gs before i picked it up they replaced my suspension for legen shocks 5 grand

[@peterwgoertzen2472]

I like my plugs to run a bit on the dark side. Rode my bike for two weeks and flipped the air and pipes. And had it tuned.

[@vics8873]

My stock 103 Road King Classic runs great--unless I don't know how well it could run? Haha...Happy Holidays to my favorite moto channel.

[@MatthewCross-b7j]

My 2012 super glide ran like nothing I ever rode before idk if they already fixed most of the issues but it was a beast

[@BryanShawn-k6i]

Powervision on my stock 04 ultra cooled it down and made it run great!

[@GixxerFoo]

Good call on the tune! Those stock ones are way too lean.

[@peterollinger2584]

You are right these things are to lean. EPA ruin lots of shit. I like a good tune that is down the middle.