HOT TAKE: ORACLE Is the MOST COMPLEX SUPPORT! - Grubby's A to Z - Dota 2

[@DragynFyre12]

I love discussing this hero lol. So many ways to influence a fight so much more than more other supports. He truly feels like when you're making the right choices, you're playing god.

[@jodricpalisbo7916]

Mechanically simple, tactically complex. I just wish IceFrog would give him a better shard.

[@happy_thinking]

The only problem is you need teamwork to make the hero do wonders. Ability wise he is very versatile and powerful especially with certain cores that are tanky and have good heals/regen.

[@pewpin1039]

Yes, the issue comes from your allies. Since they also have to make the correct choices when you are an oracle.

[@mmortal8183]

@@jodricpalisbo7916 I like the shard. Change his aghs back to upgrading his Fortunes End! Crazy cast range, AOE, and it became a stun for half the time! Or make his shard a talent and his old aghs his shard.

[@pewpin1039]

@provis345 p He does not have save. If a BKBd enigma jumps your carry as an invoker you can just watch your carry evaporate. Sure, save supports are not that popular atm, but they have their place (oracle/shadow demon)

[@12MYCRYL17]

Fun fact: -He has a specific voiceline for almost every hero (hopefully they would update it) about prophecies. - he also has prophecies for YOU in real life, which can be heard globally in game. - voiced by GMan in Half Life -imo, perfect hero with The Stanley Parable voice pack. Have a 4th wall orgasm. Bonus trivia -there is a response on a 200kill streak in The Stanley Parable. Classic.

[@lapizlazuli4516]

Yes finally, you're playing one of my favourite hero. He's so versatile as a hero and that's what I really like about Oracle. Imagine a single skill that can either disarm or complete negate 100% magical damage and can be used on your allies or enemies depending on the situation.

[@tacogodboomdogg]

Oracle has different utility than Dazzle. Oracle has a huge power spike where he can nuke people to death at level 3-8. Also with Fate's Edict you can block Sniper and Lion ults. And if Sven ults without a BKB you can just Edict him and he'll just stand there and can't do anything.

[@SpaceMarine113]

his power spike is 5 and then 7, with 0 in w. His nuke combo deals around 900 damage at 5 and 1200 at 7. Enough to kill anyone on the map at that point except maybe enemy mid if he is a str hero or an OD.

[@mcm3825]

Combos: E+Q: you can channel Q for max root, with enough distance, you have enough time to cast E first for the damage nuke while instantly root and dispel the heal from E. With cd talent, you can do EQE. Q+blinks: you can cast Q on your allies before they initiate on fights, the Q root will follow them after they blinked as long as you havent released it yet W+E: you negate the damage part of E, leveling W to 2 gives you more leeway to cast 2 E's.. W+Q: you can dispel W on any target by using Q For ulti: 1. You can cast blink dagger to get away during fights, even if you are being damaged, as long as you arent disabled. Salve also works here, cant be cancelled and does double heal. 2. All sources of heals received by the target wit Ulti are doubled. If you wanna ensure someone survives, use W+E combo. Multiple E stacks. 3. You only take damage if you didnt outheal the damage you received.

[@souldude151]

You're learning so fast Grubby and it' good to see that you did get proper coaching other than relying on random advice online. BUT I do have on piece of advice for your last hitting. The ranged creeps do way more damage than the melee ones. It's only really the ranged creep that will steal your last hits. So time your attack for after the ranged creep's attack hits. This will be the best opportunity for a last hit when the creep is on low health.

[@matheusbarbosa2548]

At last my favourite hero! Oracle is such a blast! You feel like you are actually weaving the destiny of both allies and enemies from the backline; like an actual god. The enemy simply cannot ignore you, it's like having the game on your hands.

[@silverberg1634]

Grubby trying to block the accumulated magic damage with false promise + fate's edict actually makes sense in a way. I have never thought it that way

[@Khrrck]

Yeah, like he said it's just a question of whether the mitigation is calculated when the spell hits or when false promise expires. It's been ages since I played Dota, I assume Eul's doesn't work to avoid it either? Does it purge the cyclone or does it just deal damage through the invulnerability?

[@demnuh]

@@Khrrck dmg from false promise always comes through

[@SpaceMarine113]

it doesn't make sense when you know it's not damage applied after false promise, but hp manipulation.

[@purplefanta7142]

You can absolutely play oracle as a burst mage if you're good enough. At one point, when he came out, E and Q did way more damage, you could build dagon and insta nuke people. It was so sleeper OP but everyone was focused on building him like a healer back then. Stacking heal reduction is a way to do longer term dps too. Then you get orchid and it'll do bonus damage at the end of the silence duration for a big nuke.

[@lukesexperimental.718]

This hero is the best designed healer in gaming for me, no more are you a brain dead press two button heal bot, but instead a master baiter, mathmatician, magic damage carry, disruptor, and has 2 saves on top of his heal combo. this combined with how he interacts with every single character in the game, different magic resist passives, berserk mechanics, makes him the gold standard of how well you can design and flesh out a healer in a game, but is a fantasy that is highly neglected in any other game.

[@mmortal8183]

YES to maximize him you really need to learn what the other heroes do! With TA you can you up one of her refraction charges to heal her without using W, wake up sleeping targets with PurifyingFlames, spam heal on Ice Blasted targets, be the best escape artist in the game, can blademail edict magic based teams, can now reveal invisible units with q, and so so much more.

[@jamesmuking]

ha ha master baiter

[@mikemike6182]

basic support stuff 1. never show urself in lane 2. so u can channel ur root, cc from fog 3. go to setting, set off autoattack after skill

[@MrFuggleGuggle]

Once you know his 'combos' for both allies AND enemies, he gets a lot easier. In fact, he's a support notorious for being a 'kill stealer' using his E, given how low the mana cost and the cooldown becomes at max level.

[@nbvrufus9675]

On of my favorite Heros in Dota .U can actually carry with this hero by babysit ur stupid cores and never let them die.Yet it can be pretty furstrating to be flamed for every death of ur team that u cant impede, since they think u are a wizard witout any CD( raltes to every save support actually). On the other hand getting probs by the enemy team, caus u mastered this hero, is an awesome feeling.

[@mcm3825]

Ure playing oracle wrong if you are there to "babysit" carries and play defensive.. You dont have to babysit carries if you can easily shove or kill them out of the lane.. you easily deal almost half of an enemy's hp with just your nukes.

[@nbvrufus9675]

@@mcm3825 I am not talking about the laning Stage my friend... And i said CORES so im just looking wich core is playing like an agressive idiot and save his ass over and over again until we did enough space for the rest to carry us.

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

Absolutely hard. I believe I spent an entire day reading guides(even from dota 1) and the wiki theorycrafting before jumping into game with him. Had a good winstreak with him and certainly abused his old ult that had perma invi back then.

[@Pips-hw8nd]

Tips for oracle u might have missed: You can e (maxed e) range creeps and then right click them for easy denys. I think playing him on quickcast & to cancel him without needing to press s is way more efficient. If someone is really low u can spam e on him, cuz you can't kill him with e and he gets the heal. Q+e= nuke on enemy W+e=heal Every e heals about 400 hp while your ulti. Every e with w heals about 800 hp while your ulti. Don't use e at the end of uti, because the heal can't kick in and you damage them more with it😂

[@Pips-hw8nd]

You can use q when someone teleports in front of you, cause q follows him over the whole map and the dispell might save him :)

[@Pips-hw8nd]

Also ulti urself and tp base can be real strong :)

[@mmortal8183]

@@Pips-hw8nd I've gotten a few kills this way

[@fingerz3318]

You can purge dust of appearance with your q Also you can heal nuke enemy’s and follow up with dispelling the heal over time effect with q

[@empirean1166]

fun fact: when oracle first appeared in dota 1 his ultimate originally has invisibility. edit: also he uses the priest model

[@arturaslekstutis7678]

It also had it in Dota 2 when he was released.

[@pinkpidgeon6926]

it also used to purge every second.

[@rawkhawk414]

Something I wish chat could have helped you out with for your first Oracle game would have been to highlight how Purifying Flames' Heal/Dmg numbers are slightly misleading. This is because in Dota2 all heroes innately have 25% magic resistance. So while level 1 Purifying Flames seems to imply it does a burst of 90 damage then heal for a total of 99 over time, it actually does 90*0.75 = 67.5 damage, then heals for a total of 99 over time--as heals, even from oneself to an enemy, are not affected by magical resistances. Also the most common reason you weren't able to dispel the heal was tracking your mana. As someone who has also played Dota2 this was definitely super hard for me at first with the more combo based heroes lol. Fun game to watch!

[@kyle-cs1dl]

Oracle being the most complex support is definitely not a hot take haha

[@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873]

yes i think so too

[@GearDiego23]

Oracle is one of my favorite supports; I think it just feels really good when things go your way also... has one of the fastest attack animations of the game

[@metaphysicalfuck]

Had* They changed it ages ago because it was indeed op

[@levisamom5069]

fastest attack animation u say 🤔😏

[@mmortal8183]

@@metaphysicalfuck yeah it was so good to harass with him and his damage was good too. But now after all the updates we have one of the best spells in the game Fortunes End! Can't disjoint and now reveals the target on a 6 second cooldown?! Yes please!!!!!

[@GearDiego23]

@@metaphysicalfuck even nerfed, still is one of the fastest

[@shlebben0]

High-level oracle play, both team play and individual play, are always so freakin cool to watch. For example, if you channel Q onto an ally, then they blink in, the projectile will chase them and root every enemy around them after they go in, potentially giving a follow-up disable after a Centaur stun or something.

[@Tyrranid]

So im seeing a team of huskar dazzle and oracle Huskar goes ham an when he gets low dazzle shalow grave and then just as that expires oracle ult huskar. Huskar hits satanic to start getting hp back but since he cant gain hp under oracle ult he stays low hp and can attack crazy fast until oracle ult expires and all that satanic lifesteal comes back at once

[@pezdispencer113]

This is the simplified version of Oracle. His W used to amplify physical and pure damage while nullifying magic and disarming. Making it even hard to know who to W and when.

[@LordofPotatos]

I know this is trimmed from stream but does Grubby ever find out that his ult DOUBLES heals, including other sources such as mek, urn, wand, LC W, etc.?

[@devilbob]

Can't wait to see gameplay of the most hadsome hero in the Dota Pudge

[@Thanatos-XIII]

OMG I can't believe that was not the first game lol, but yeah, I have 10 years of dota and I'm afraid of playing him, so, congrats

[@kevincroft5246]

This is, in fact, the coldest of takes.

[@mateomoreno331]

Cant believe we are at Oracle already :') what a journey

[@darkdemon1676]

to me, the only support hero that lets you be the boss and ordering your cores(looking at you offlaners) to not be a pussy. either they trust me or lose the game, there's no in between. securing ranged creep in lane is also fun, the same way of denying it too, also the disarm to interrupt them enemy lasthitting lol, not to mention your 1 and 3(3,1,3 or just 1,3) burst combo is most of the time 'securing kills', faster travel, faster octarine core, get the better support positionin then being a living pain in the ass for your enemy.

[@JoaquinWebb]

from archon to immortal with this hero. absolute beast of a support

[@mcm3825]

I mained this hero since dota 1, played as a mid core and this guy is literally do-all and doesnt lose at mid. Mid is over by level 3. As a support, you shouldnt be babysitting your core and should be forcing trades. You outheal them after trades while both their sidelanes send more resources to sustain them, if they dont, theyll die by the next trade with how much damage you are doing. Be mindful to teach your team how oracle works, most newbies and low ranks have zero idea how your spells work. On higher level, tell them who is getting priority of your ulti during big fights.

[@CiseilEverburning]

I love when I watching Grubby talkinng with his teamate and they reply!

[@adriany1044]

Exactly my thoughts. Oracle needs complete understanding of what you can do. It's so unnecessarily complex, unlike dazzle.

[@dougler500]

This hero might need a coaching session lol. Even as a viewer, not playing, it was hard to know what you should be doing at any given time with your spells. So complicated!

[@nad12985]

@mr/ms editor, can we see game 1? Unlisted & unedited, put a link in the description or something?

[@eragonrank5303]

I have like 600 games on this hero and god bless my friends who had to sit with me through the first 100 or so of it. The amount of allies I killed/enemies I saved are not healthy.

[@zigzagzane5329]

I wouldn't say the most complex hero but this hero requires timing and precision as casting the ults within the correct time frame is the key between life and death.

[@RuRu0091]

Here a simplest way to win ur lane with oracle Channel ur skill 1 while it channelling use skill 3 on your skill 1 target Rinse and repeat enemy gonna buy alot of regen just to sustain the lane

[@adamhero459]

Not complicated at all. Just takes a game to see exactly how his skills synergies with his others as the demo is hard to control everything so you can see them work properly. Although you missed the most important part of the ult description in the demo. It doubles heals that was taken during the duration. So flames heals a ton more. So with the cooldown talent you can heal almost all heroes from 1 hp to full within he 10 second ult duration(assuming no damage was taken from enemies)

[@nukeofficial1103]

fyi, in my experience the Replay Function is quite bugged. Usually going to a different tab and a short time later checking back to the game tab will show the Replay being available. When I want it to notify me when the Replay is available it usually only does it *after* I've watched the Replay^^

[@arquloc0893]

Hey guys. How long ago were these games played? It seems like youtube is far behind his streams right? I never have time for streams.

[@MsSlagar]

Fun fact. In Dota 1, he uses Priest model.

[@yaccothetaco720]

i want oracle shard that gives 50% to proc purifying flames in an area whenever he casts spells lmfao

[@marcoelijahpuno]

Excited for the puck video 😆

[@mmortal8183]

Been waiting for this the most!!!! Let's see what chaos will happen!

[@chacha-bm4jc]

If you have chance try to ask Insania to train you on this hero. He knows couple of interesting tricks, watched a while ago, dunno whether it was stream or smth else

[@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873]

i do believe oracle is the most complex support, other than positioning and mechanical issue its very important to coordinate your skill with your teammate, which kinda hard to do in pub

[@FlashTheSnowman1]

play aggresive, don't play passive, early game if you can harass one of them down to at least 3 quarters to half hp, you can ping to kill that hero and bam

[@sunteraze]

Lion is in under attack and he is near him farming jungle creeps, seems like herald 1 SEA game KEKW

[@icanbejason6212]

I’ve been waiting for this one. 🎉

[@Ai.Why-SoloPlayer]

Finally, u reach my 1st hero i played in dota 2 😅, this most complex support which is good for sustain every teamfight but fragile to be picked off

[@Ai.Why-SoloPlayer]

Fyi, ur ult if bright flames indicates ur ally is dead or survive with small hp, if its normal, ur ally is full of hp

[@mmortal8183]

Make him into an escape artist. Ghost, blink, euls. Edict yourself and ghost to take no damage from physical or magical. Or turn and kill them.

[@Ai.Why-SoloPlayer]

@@mmortal8183 this is most highest rank always do, but im in low rank prefer healing mode with max cast range with 1 or 2 escape item

[@Thanatos-XIII]

Well, its better to not use W at all if two heroes are fighting each other, only use when your team is fleeing, nobody minds if u didn't block sky ultimate killing him, but if he tries to attack and you disarm him he will hate u and never forget that

[@mmortal8183]

His instant cast 25 talent is strong but you lose the ability to precast on yourself to purge stuff like euls, orchid, global silence, tornado, fear, and other soft disables. You can wake up allies from sleep like stomp with your Purifying Flames. I wrote a massive message about Oracle but deleted it all...

[@zrad09]

6:08 the ult delays the damage. Since you used Fate's Edict after your ally got nuked, he already took all those damage, just delayed, and the damage from the ult is converted to a damage type kthat ignores resistance/armor/etc which is why Ogre still dies. You need to use ult then immediately followed by Fate's Edict before your ally gets nuked since that way he doesn't actually take damage.

[@FlashTheSnowman1]

oracle is my main.. i still tend to make mistakes but thats cause of my old age, but oracle can be so amazing early game "Securing Kills ;)" but fave moments is having some magic dmg dealers like zeus/orge/necro chase you around trying to kill you but nope, you have holy locket and greaves and amazing W/2 + E/3 combo and im just going to leave and make yous waste mana (true story) oracle is better in lower ranks if your playing aggressive (specially early game with level 4 E/3 nuke-age) but i believe higher ranks play a bit safer cause you can put yourself out of position as the support (or your carry decides to not pay attention)

[@EthVortexShield]

Wow, that was an unfortunate team comp. But hey, arc warden yet again!

[@WHiZDoMz]

Its hard to time perfectly with communication but this character is really strong. By his skills it's like he has mekanse halbeard bkb by himself. My friend use this hero till 8-9k mmr

[@darkdemon1676]

as expected from the one who ordered PA to kills, the oracle!

[@naphackDT]

You really allowed that bounty hunter to get into your head. Just let him sneak around and focus on punching primal beast to give farm to luna. After all, if you don't play his game, him skulking around won't do him any good.

[@Petrichorscreen]

R then spam E on the same target. And i was going to say the same thing then you mentioned it...dazzle and oracle are not the same thing. Oracle's ult is far superior to dazzle's shallow grave. 👍

[@bijayrai942]

Oracle is not so hard to play if you know how all the spell works. When I first played the oracle I got 9 reports cause I was healing all the enemy and end up saving them. Generally when oracle ulti allies and if the enemy damage exceed more than healing, than allies always end up dead

[@lukeduan5452]

As the ancient Chinese Dota says, Macropyre deals no damage.

[@Lebroish]

Well grubby I guess 2 main things should be stated. You can dispel the healing from E casted on an enemy by using Q. Ideally channel Q and while its flying cast E. When Q lands it will dispel the heal. Secondly, healing salve can be used with your ult to double its healing and it cant be dispelled since your ulted ally does not take any damage, and healing salve is dispelled only if you take damage. Costs gold but its mana free.

[@TryToLearn101]

At first you ult the lion i was like "cmon dude" Later that, oh ok lion is worth keeping tho lmao He's quite good in and out the battle

[@inkyura6505]

I can't unerstand Oracle's skill....

[@jones368]

You played well, and the team had good synergy. GG

[@98kazer]

can someone tell me if he ever found out that Oracle's R doubles the regen? it got too painful for me to watch him when he was testing his ult, he didn't fully read the description too

[@Thanatos-XIII]

44 regen per second is not a heal, it's only regen !

[@eliwoodnguyen1505]

Aaah my favorite hero😂🤣 He is that 1 hero which you can get 5 recommend or 5 report if u dont know how to utilize his skill to save ppl

[@tomvalondo]

You are almost near your fountain..why you didn’t go straight to fill ip your health and mana

[@somersault4762]

I see Oracle almost only in Pro games. He is too complex for most of the casual players to time his spells correctly including myself 🙃

[@lipsztyk01]

We are close to "S" where are fun heroes! cant wait

[@wiefdiwbofdbw]

oracle carried me to divine 1. Hero is op in solo play

[@CharDhue]

Versatile hero but have potential to messed up a war

[@lordelmido3730]

you can also try to go mid w him as seen w topson recently on that game against secret. disclaimer (you may lose the game)

[@adamhero459]

Wish I would get you teams even 25% of the time(when determining your rank) . You are carried so hard from your teammates every game where you always almost always have a good chance to win even in games you lost. I’m glad you got carried to legend rank(if you haven’t seen his later videos, he got legend rank when he started playing ranked, and he is still quite clueless on to many things, but this is normal for how long he was playing for). If you got morons all the time on your team when getting your rank you would likely be too frustrated to play much, and I like your videos. Of you are not good enough to be able to solo games , if you get stuck below archon, you are basically rolling the dice on your teammates knowing anything other than the absolute basics of dota and maybe what half the heroes do. O, and also rolling the dice on teammates who play ranked with heroes they are trying for the first or second time. Although the thing I hate the most is people who just want to farm for over an hour to get or almost get fully 6 slotted before wanting to end the game. And this is when the game is over 20+ minutes earlier. This generally ends up with the game being lost when you had the win.

[@kimochiwarui5324]

grubby watch odpixel casting herald games

[@murmurrrr]

This was so painful to watch.. Aside from using Demo mode he should just watch someone play this hero in a replay.. His decision making was very bad.

[@coolbluesky4078]

eyy one of my fav heroes o mgg

[@mcm3825]

18:40 they cant attack the target on FP anymore, someone else on your team gets the attention and dies.. And most of the times, they have detects, basically your 1.4k gold countered by 50/80 gold 😂😂😂

[@DissarayJay]

Only Grubby can take one of the most simplistic pure supports and go "hmm this hero is complex" hahaha fucking gold mine. Then he comp-letetly ignored lane for 6 mins xD ... i cant... its just too much, All he has to do is W and E your teammates and stun if he can with Q, he makes everything look so complicated, seriously grubby atleast use your abilities in a bot match or read the half good, this was fucking amazingly bad xD i love it.,

[@brunodelpasso]

"im so Glad this game ends"

[@trinca7905]

1:12:21 Yes, it was. Have my like anyway

[@jojr6825]

What are u doing?

[@nickl1768]

Warcraft 3?

[@hybrid3888]

ok but what gender is oracle

[@Mrsadgirl99]

its not a hot take if its true

[@willwilliamson9580]

if you have a dazzle they can shallow grave someone who is about to die from false promise and save them.

[@escondo4819]

Really hot take lol

[@Gellidus]

Oof, as an Oracle player... this was hard to watch.