Hot Wheels Treasure Huts - My TIPS and ADVICE on how I find them! // Hunting for special Hot Wheels

[@MikeFreda]

Nothing but Peg Hunting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpvIaomubr2qqJI

[@joseportillo1699]

Just turned 17 and I’ve recently started interest in collecting hot wheels. I’ve always played them when I was a little kid but I’ve been getting the urge to go to the hot wheels section in target’s, Walmart’s, etc. every time I go now. God knows how many good cars I’ve missed on buying over the years lol.

[@kennethbacos4085]

Same here! I am 25 now and just started 2 weeks ago and i've picked up close to 40-50 cars already.... But i am a huge car head.

[@caitlynharrington3427]

Same! I’m 21 and just started collecting again!! It’s a bummer that missed so many opportunities to start collecting when I was younger but it’s never to late to start collecting HW! 😊

[@poi8710]

It’s the same with me I’m 15 but I’ve been playing with hot wheels since I was a little kid. I didn’t know much about hot wheels but I knew that if the cars had a different color from the original they were rare . So I’d managed to pick up an Acura NSX super treasure hunt when I was about 10. It’s still my favorite hot wheel til this day.

[@logant6816]

bruh same ima bout to turn 17 and i just got an earg

[@sepp1567]

same with me im 16

[@michaelwido9383]

I've left behind 1000s of regular treasure hunts.... you're welcome.

[@christiansilva9173]

I saw that burger truck earlier today at Walmart.... I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A TREASURE HUNT

[@rhondahulguinsauro2587]

The purple truck? Even though you see it. It may be a normal mainline because the Treasure hunt one has a face on it but the normal mainline just has the menu thats why you have to keep a close look out for the details

[@felixalvinreyes9846]

Too bad anyway it's not yet yours better luck t hunting next time

[@MinifigureMayhem]

honestly bro, a couple years ago i just bought hotwheels i liked... i was sorting through a box of loose cars today and found 4 treasure hunts! including the burger truck!

[@KaroshiSalad2000s]

I Didn't Had A Proper SUPER Treasure Hunting Yet, But I Got That Power Pistons Too, And Lots Of Other T-Hunts As Well, Finding One Is A Great Vibe.

[@MikeFreda]

I’m still thrilled to find them in the wild but it is getting harder and harder to. Cheers.

[@yourfavoritecousing8096]

I’ve always loved them and had absurd amount of them but recently I’ve found my love again JDMs are my preference along with the REALLY obscure models

[@finduspancake4011]

I started collecting again last year after years of playing with them when I was young. I don't often see as many female collectors but I love the community! Thanks for the tips 😊

[@MikeFreda]

You’re welcome. Thanks for commenting. Enjoy the hunting! Cheers.

[@franksachs458]

Been at this for 30 years..you have alot good advice. same advice i like to share with other collectors i meet. Good video..good luck hunting!

[@BigAsDiecast]

Thanks for the tips Mike, I really appreciate the tips. Take care, and God bless you and your loved ones during these challenging times. 🤜🏼🤛🏼✌🏽

[@MikeFreda]

You’re welcome. Glad you find it useful. I vividly remember finding my first ever TH.... I was hooked on finding more since I spent years having no luck.

[@BigAsDiecast]

Yeah, they're very hard to find. Here in Californa, employees have the audacity to tell you not bother looking through the pegs because they take all super treasure hunts out of the cases before they make it out to the floor. Can you believe that crap?

[@MikeFreda]

That’s not cool. There is a private toy store in my town that pull them and put them behind a glass case and try and sell them for way more money. Once I clued in, I stopped going there.

[@richardbradley6038]

Thankyou for the tips. I just recently found 2 treasure hunts at different dollar stores. Now I know what to look for now.

[@samace22]

Awesome finds and in store video congrats. 👍AMD thank you about the hunting tips.👍I found a couple regular treasure hunts custom 1956 Ford pickup trucks the other day in a brand new hotwheels display shipper at one of my local drug stores. 👍

[@johnroberts7910]

Great video Mike..awesome tips..exactly right about Walmart and Target...I see Dollarama is in Canada..I try to go to Dollar General and notice their stock patterns...thanks for the great video..

[@MikeFreda]

Glad you liked it. I haven't had much luck at the big box stores. Most of my finds are at smaller retailers. I actually found 6 Treasure Hunts today in one small dump bin that was just filled. I already had them so I left them out in the open for the next collector to find! Happy Hunting!

[@bluetoad7294]

Why would you buy more than 1 of the same treasure hunt car? I always leave duplicate treasure hunts on the top of pegs or dump bins for others to keep as part of their collection.

[@MikeFreda]

I typically don't but I hear what you are saying. In my area Treasure Hunts get scooped up almost immediately. I'm actually very lucky to find any nowadays. Also, most people will only trade TH for TH so I grab one to trade, I keep one in the card and I open one to touch and race. Check out the 2020 Treasure Hunts race video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6LahouabJeIZsU

[@PoisonedStudios]

Buy them all, resell them. That’s people do it

[@javviii]

That’s what I did I found two treasure hunts back to back and left one and after I felt guilty for just buying the one

[@zaydtruck3496]

Buy two,open one,keep the other in the blister,and let the others get the others.

[@NorieHolloway223]

Best video on how to find TH in my opinion

[@nickstewart3725]

I'm into collecting the Volvo 850 I've been buying everything in sight and your absolutely right about the bucket boxes that they toss them into with the cards getting damaged but I have both Volvo fast wagons and red yellow blue and white Volvo 850s...if anyone has any Volvo colors or models I might be missing out on please chime in!

[@TheeMayhem23]

i know they don’t have to be special for a collection but i just started and this will help for later.. im starting with a White 2020 Koenigsegg jesko, 2018 Bentley Continental GT3, and a 2017 Lamborghini Urus, i personally like those cars so when i saw those i decided to get them.. now my collection BEGINS!!

[@MikeFreda]

I’m a fan of collecting what you like and what you use to drive or want to drive.

[@zh6232]

What are the production numbers on TH and Supers? Like the last 5 years on average not all the way back. Great video by the way. Helps me with HW hunting with my son. Fun stuff!

[@MikeFreda]

Thanks for commenting. No one really knows the circulation numbers of STH and TH. In 1996 they claimed to release 25,000 of them. Who really knows now!? What I do know is that it is common to find 1-2 TH in a case of 72. STH are way more rare than that… I’ve been through dozens of fresh cases and never found one… then one day I found 2 in 4 cases. Pure luck! Happy hunting.

[@zh6232]

@MikeFreda At the end of the day it's still fun. At this point in my life it's a decent hobby and bridges the gap between my loves for cars and my love for collecting and it allows me to bond with my son doing so. It's nice to know the supers are at least pretty tough to snag. Thanks for the tips!

[@thiagoguimaraes8808]

OMG I loved your video... I live in New Zealand and just starting my collection, just bought for my son but I fall in love for it. All the best mate. Very nice tips 🤩

[@otherworld9344]

I started collecting about a year ago so i have about 100 cars now .. I mostly collect JDM cars and some fantasy cars but its fun to find a nice car at times 👌👌

[@famousbowl9926]

You mean ricers? Lame

[@otherworld9344]

. its hard work finding the sth cars... so go make me a rice bowl im hungry 👌

[@spencer8630]

@@famousbowl9926 a ricer is like underglow and flames and giant wings, get smart kid

[@notrotom]

Today I found a super treasure hunt 95 rx7 in a dump bin at Safeway, I didn’t even know it was a super treasure hunt, I just wanted an rx7 And for Christmas one year I got a Porsche 934.5 and went probably two years until just today I noticed it was a super treasure hunt

[@nutzboltztoolz2734]

Great tips, I like that Prelude 🤘

[@JustGiver99]

Mike, thanks for the advice! I’m gonna be driving my local dollar rama nuts!

[@MikeFreda]

Good luck! Cheers.

[@quartznation9499]

Check out the base of the power pistons if it says Indonesia instead of Malaysia they're super rare and might be worth $.. Mike Zarnock video referenced

[@superceotto4584]

I've got 3 silverados regular T, 3 custom dodge van regular T from the same store.

[@isaacbearss3759]

thanks for the tips :)

[@iamcanadian7926]

Power Pistons is a good car on the track, I remember when it was in the Highway 35 World Race series back in 03.

[@MikeFreda]

Yes, it runs good. Have a look at my TH showdown video where I find out which 2020 TH is the fastest.

[@geebert23]

i found a lot of teasure hunt since i start my collecting this year,but no luck on Super.

[@MikeFreda]

Great to hear. Supers are quite a bit harder to find than normal treasure hunts. Cheers.

[@AC-kk3vo]

Iv only been looking for a month, we have lots of dollar stores around so I'm hopeful

[@geebert23]

Hi Mike I think this it was tough to get some nice hot wheels my local walmart has been dry for over a month now

[@DieCashCars]

Nice pick ups

[@kernelstoyvlog]

Nice vlog and tips. Glad to.know I've been doing at least 4 of 5 of those, except the part of being early birds in the store or checking.it late night. But yeah in the regularly visited shops, i've noticed the pattern in restocking their inventories too. Got a few of those same RTH you got too. But still in the hunt for my 1st $TH out in the wild though. New S here.

[@NAJAH20]

Nice hunt, enjoy your video friend

[@jonasfuchs9519]

At 5:56 in the back at the right handside there Was a package from fast and the furious with the nissan skyline in it😃

[@cable30]

I just check the back of card from bottom to see any words besides reflecting car words. not always sure what cars are treasure cars so i just check back of card any. and have scored some even if i dont expect to score any at time. and score other kinda cars i real want at time.

[@timtomtomtim1675]

You should be polite to people are working all times, not only because you need something. And believe me, i know things you looking for from inside. Thank you

[@MinifigureMayhem]

thank you for this! very helpful!

[@MikeFreda]

You're so welcome! Cheers.

[@bodegadiescast305]

Thanks for the tips, but I don't get why taking several cars of the same type. I'll probably get two max and leave the opportunity to another fellow collectors to find it at the store.

[@MikeFreda]

Thanks for you comments. I typically don’t grab multiples for myself. I usually try to find two. One to keep in the card and one to open. I’m my area, collectors tend to trade rather than buy so the multiples are typically are for my collector friends. It helps to have a network. Cheers.

[@Zachattack2002]

Nice treasure hunt finds

[@hobinyarassi2317]

nice hunting brotherrrr

[@marvelpg]

mann I really miss the green side bar for the Treasure Hunt cars....

[@AWOLsSoldier]

Just turned 12 and started collecting

[@MikeFreda]

Have fun and good luck. Go easy. When I first started I just did Honda and VW’s since those were my first two cars I owned. My Hotwheels VW collection is over a 100 cars now. Cheers.

[@siicoviiciouse1629]

Should I collect all of the collection or just the last one or the first One?

[@MikeFreda]

I don’t think that matters. They can be hard enough to find in the wild. Collect what you like… and/or trade for what you like. A complete set means more that just a couple random TH’s.

[@siicoviiciouse1629]

@@MikeFreda ok so I have to look out for the tires and the sticker

[@felixalvinreyes9846]

Reminds me of my birthday 3 years ago my birthday gift for myself I wish I could buy a Chevrolet camaro then on that day I went to that store they have new stocks one of those boxes he opened handed me 2 Camaros first green 2017 zl1 and orange 2018 I never expect my Camaro ZL1 was a super treasure hunt that's the second time in my birthday I bought a camaro first 2012 a 1969 Z28 then 2018 a 2017zl1 that's my happiest day feels I won the jackpot in the lottery by that time I heard a rumor a camaro super t will come out one 2010 prostock the other no model or variant and luckily it's the 2017ZL1 was the one I said to my self then I won't believe it unless I the one who got it and it happened on my birthday I bought it from me to me

[@MikeFreda]

Nice story!

[@kibbo]

nice advice, thanks

[@aronlopez9981]

Do regular treasure hunts come in a mainline variation?

[@Carguy67]

No

[@MikeFreda]

2020 Treasure Hunt Drag Race Tournament: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6LahouabJeIZsU

[@angelandrade9605]

I know it’s kinda an old video thxs for the tips btw but is that a Jeep Wagoneer or Cherokee?

[@kokogaragechannel7130]

Awesome score bro👍👍👍

[@James-ok7ii]

what bugs me is why do you need more of the same car, it seems kind of un fair to new collectors when you get 4 of the same car & both treasure hunts

[@MikeFreda]

I hear what you are saying. In my area TH's get scooped up immediately. I'm actually very lucky to find them nowadays. Also, most people will only trade TH for TH so I grab one to trade, I keep one in the card and I open one to touch and race. Check out the 2020 Treasure Hunts race video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6LahouabJeIZsU

[@famousbowl9926]

Because this a@@hole is just going to resell them at a higher markup.

[@blurr7080]

Plz help and tell me a difference between all I’m new to collect

[@brianpage7569]

Unless stores never get shipments and the same cases sit for months

[@OldManPines]

my issue is my local walmart never restocks it seems

[@MikeFreda]

Very common issue with them.

[@Ian66112]

i neededd that, im going to start a youtube channel soon and my first vid is on hot wheels!

[@MikeFreda]

Good luck. Hope it works out for you! It’s fun creating.

[@freethinker3161]

Good advice.

[@mayembringer4898]

If you are looking for jdm cars and stuff like that all I’m going to say is those are most likely taken before they are put out by the employees

[@MikeFreda]

I don’t think you are wrong there. I’ve had store staff tell me, don’t bother looking. You are a little late. All the “good ones” are gone.

[@sillywabbit7989]

That honda prelude made me spit my drink. Wow at a 1$ store

[@geebert23]

been finding a lot treasure hunt lately but no super so far. i guess i depends on were you live

[@MikeFreda]

Same here. Either I'm a bit too late or someone in the stores have clued in ands pick them before they hit the shelves.

[@scottmoody7052]

Psh not in my town. To many scalpers. And all I have is Walmarts and dollar genrals to look for them at only found 2 regular treasures hunts in 2 years I'm about to give up at this point

[@itouchipodz1000]

if it's for a personal collection, is it bad if I open them? I'm not really selling these, only a few duplicates I have maybe lol I only recently started collecting these again, fun way to get out

[@sixtocortescastaneda4169]

At the end of the day, it's your personal collection. It doesn't matter if you open them since you said it isn't for the monetary return.

[@yunus1338]

So even if the logo TH is not on the car it is still a super treasure hunt? I got 2 kafer racer VW today, but just without the TH logo like the description said it should look like.

[@MikeFreda]

If the TH is not stamped on the car or the round flame logo is on of the card, it’s not a treasure hunt. Some treasure hunts can look like a normal mainline.

[@abrecon4588]

newbie here anything that has 5/5 or 10/10 are good find and should be bought right away?

[@MikeFreda]

I'm not aware the series numbers are something that is collectable. I'm my area I seem to find all the cars in a series without any issues. I guess some series could be harder to obtain but I have no experience on that. I don't collect all the standard Mainlines anymore, it's just too many cars! lol. cheers.

[@GardenWithUs]

Dude I'm amazed cause I've hunted them down for weeks and I have not found anything

[@MikeFreda]

I’ve been shut out for months. Supply of Hotwheels in my area has dried up. The supply chain is non existent.

[@GardenWithUs]

@@MikeFreda enjoyed the videos though awesome job

[@timothydelawder6761]

Do you really have to take them all when you find multiple ones,i have found multiples on many hunts ,but i only take one,im not a greedy person

[@fabulousfinds1045]

In the old days they had the green "treasure hunt" on fronts... now I cant tell?? How do you know what's a TH?? Thanks

[@MikeFreda]

The normal Treasure Hunts have a TH on the car somewhere and the Super Treasure Hunts have STH and typically have a metallic paint job and rubber wheels. There is a list of cars for both. They key to finding them it to quickly identify what is/could be on the peg or on the bins.

[@catalinarolon677]

I am 56 years old (a child of the 70’s) and collected Matchbox and Hotwheels , went off to college and gave my whole collection to my brothers who destroyed them. Now I’m a Grandpa and I want to start collecting for my 2 year old grandson and I’ll bequeath the collection to him when he’s older. First Step??? What shall I do it’s been a while. TIA PETER using my mother in law’s KZbin site

[@MikeFreda]

When is comes to collecting some people just look for rare or hard to find HW, others collect what they like and previous cars they once owned. I have a large VW collection since I owned a few. Example, if you are into Ford mustangs… find and collect all the various ones that have been released rather than just random HW’s.

[@Ian66112]

thanks man,

[@Mr.Gundam7]

If you go to a 99cents store you will find alot of super rare. I don't collect hotwheels but I always find like 20 treasure hunt rare hotwheels there lol. People just don't care to get them. I know about hotwheels because because years ago I use to collect them but not anymore.

[@nft8602]

0:07 That lambo could’ve looked good on your shelves 😔

[@matthew_4589]

At the dollarama I always find rare cars sitting aside from employees

[@Lar_ry]

I also collect the classic Honda's

[@MikeFreda]

Cool. I try to look out for Honda and VW.

[@mikkelgrydeland]

Hey! Im starting to get interested in hotwheels but its so info and i dont know What all these series and stuff means. Can you help?

[@MikeFreda]

Thanks for your comment. I recommend just collect what you like. Make a set of a certain cars. Like All Honda or all VW. You can also collect your favorite car or the first car you had... things like that. Just purchasing/collecting all the Mainlines is another option but not something I would recommend. The set will never be worth what you paid for it unless you stumble across errors a some rare ones. Collecting Treasure Hunts is another possibility but that requires more effort and doing your homework. Just have fun!

[@mikkelgrydeland]

@@MikeFreda Okay Thanks! I will be collecting What i like😁

[@btjay0792]

I saw the m case got released in stores in america 1 month ago and i cant find them in my country

[@MikeFreda]

It’s really hard to say what is going on. Where I live some stores are months behind other stores. I think it has to do with distribution and head office. Some stores will not open new cases until the old cases are sold. I’m not privy on how Hotwheels distributes their cases or how they do their production runs.

[@jessyrowe508]

i found all my th and one sth at dollorama , at walmart only 2 th so far

[@MikeFreda]

I seem to have better luck at Dollorama and Toy-r-us. For me, Walmart is typically a bust.

[@jessyrowe508]

@@MikeFreda I agree on this Its the same for my local walmart. Way better luck to go hunt at the dollorama

[@richardbradley6038]

Haven't got a STH yet.

[@watsthemix5219]

thanks G

[@Blaykes_sports]

Hey i left 2 treasure hunts and 3 Bugatti!!! So keep a look out!!

[@MikeFreda]

That was nice of you, what store?

[@Blaykes_sports]

@@MikeFreda Walmart in Roanoke!! Not near you but i was there with a collector and we opened a "E" Case and found the "C" case treasure hunt (it was a mixed case)

[@MikeFreda]

@@Blaykes_sports Nope, It is not. Thats on the other side of the continent from me! lol All Good! Thanks for sharing!

[@Blaykes_sports]

@@MikeFreda Np!! Have a wonderful night/ day!

[@jhuncho2432]

@@MikeFreda thxs for the websites in the description u are very helpful I got the whole star wars set

[@connieinman2849]

I have found a box of cars. they all look like just regular cars . Are the worth anything

[@MikeFreda]

If there are no treasure hunts or super treasure hunts it’s just a box of regular mainline cars... worth what ever the peg price is. Unfortunately, these boxes have multiples of the same car so people don’t usually buy “5” of the same generic mainline car.

[@aaron_brown7324]

A friend sent me a 3d botmaker video a couple weeks ago… I don’t know if I should hug him or kick him in the nuts…I’m obsessed

[@Bubba5rt]

I thought I found a treasure hunt and my dad got mad and opened it and it turned out to be very similar to the treasure hunt

[@mrtechrisse9765]

I hope one day ill find my self ah lucky hunt ♥️

[@titanleague2223]

Hindi mo kami maloloko johnny knoxville🤣

[@jonathanharrell1502]

How do I find a treasure hunt what do I even look for? Me and my little boy recently started collecting hot wheels an the more I read about it the more I am interesres

[@MikeFreda]

It can be hard… took me a while to figure things out (hence this tips video) there is a list of TH and STH. Study the list, keep it on your phone or print it out and start looking. It helps if you find freshly stocked stores that haven’t been picked yet.

[@AtariBoogie]

Can we see the 60 series landcruiser ya got?

[@MikeFreda]

I have a entire playlist on my Landcruiser. Please have a look at my channel.

[@AtariBoogie]

@@MikeFreda for sure, i daily my 40 series and love them too death

[@MikeFreda]

Cool. Awesome to hear. I use to daily my 60 then decided to cherish it. I no longer drive it in the winter. The winter is hard on older vehicles in my part of the world. The salt they use on the roads eats Landcruisers.

[@AtariBoogie]

@@MikeFreda for reals, my dads 100 series came from newyork, and theres some pretty nasty rusting underneath, and im gonna do the same, it was my first car, gonna keep it forever.

[@AtariBoogie]

@@MikeFreda also do ya know if the jonny lightning diecast landcruisers any good?

[@oneofusHW65]

You can only be as successful in the stores That don't have people that know people to give them the treasure hunts. Also, living in a big city helps. TUMA-NA-TOR

[@Shootinropes77]

For me it's easier to just buy it online from the jerk scalpers. These guys have nothing better to do than to ruin it for the true collectors out there that DON'T want to turn around and sell a $1 car for $50-$200. Those guys live in their parents basements still there's absolutely NO doubt. Anyway, I have been a true collector since the early 80's and have NEVER found a STH or TH out in the wild. I probably spent triple in fuel/time/wear and tear on my vehicle going to multiple stores trying to find them. My advice would be to just buy them online. 👍

[@vincdagoat7389]

What if all my dollorama dont have hot wheels, i just find hot wheels in wlamart and toys r us

[@grodey3985]

I wonder if the workers themselves collect and so they just take them all for themselves 💀

[@MikeFreda]

I believe some do… or they hold them for people. I’ve gone into a store before and the clerk said to me “there are a couple good one in there”. So, she knew what is going on. Cheers.

[@junior8403]

What about buying online? Makes it easier

[@MikeFreda]

You can. From Hotwheels themselves, it’s tough because many people are doing the same thing. Other sources, you will pay a premium. I enjoy the hunt… the thrill of the chase.

[@CarlosCruz-eu7qo]

God damn toys r us lol this guy was going to the exclusive locations

[@SubieDiecastCustoms]

Thanks

[@AbiebGazebo]

New sub for you.. Greeting from bali.. Very good video share.. 👍👍

[@rebeccas3953]

is there any good website that sells hot wheels and ship worldwide? im looking for a car to give my boyfrien as a christmas gift but i feel like the specific car im looking for is impossible to find online and not too expensive :(

[@MikeFreda]

I typically don’t buy HW from online retailers. You can try EBay or Amazon but you will pay a premium. Another option is ask on some Facebook HW market groups.

[@somekid475]

Is dollar tree a good store?

[@MikeFreda]

Some do carry Hotwheels. The ones near me don’t. You would have to check.

[@MF-kb2nv]

I use to look in the 90s when they had the green index but never found one. To this day I still haven't found one.

[@MikeFreda]

I was just like you. I had a Huge HW poster with all the treasure hunts. Never found one for years and years. Had no idea on how or where to look. Wasn’t until recently that I was enlighten. Just sharing my knowledge. Hope you eventually find one. It’s actually a thrill to find your first few in the wild.

[@stevenfronz1uz]

I want the 22 green the skyline 😭😭

[@shrek5301]

lol i was the 1000 like

[@petebusch9069]

Don't forget to add up how much you spend on gas.

[@MikeFreda]

That is very true. This is part of the reason I don't go out of my way to hunt them down as much as I use to. If I'm in a particular store for other reasons, I will have a quick look to see if the shelves have been freshly stocked. Cheers.

[@frederickp.8410]

Ibstarted my collection. I like real car models.

[@nicholasbissoon9576]

Couldn’t u Atleast leave 1 of each for other collectors?

[@MikeFreda]

Valid point. In my area, most of the collectors like to trade the hard to find or coveted HW. Extras are used for trade bait and not hoarding as it would appear. The collectors typically end up getting what they want in the end. Cheers.

[@dwirandaariga5576]

Good bro...

[@WarhammerWings]

Searching for 11 years for a single STH, found none to date.

[@MikeFreda]

That’s a long dry spell. Sorry to hear that. They are hard to find and if you don’t hit the stores regularly you will miss them. I’m curious on how many STH go home with people who have no idea that they have.

[@flack2998]

i asked someone on a discord server and literally what they told me was “walmart” lol

[@MikeFreda]

I never have much luck at Walmart… I think over the last 4 years I may have 5 Treasure Hunts there. Very low odds and the cards are typically damaged. Cheers.

[@flack2998]

yeah i went earlier and i couldn’t find anything good and a lot of the hot wheels were literally out of the box somehow.